No doubt, and so far, the most important game of the year with 1st place in the West on the line. Important that the Bombers rebound from the Toronto game, important to solidify a bye into the final, important to establish a solid win going into the Western finals.
Nothing more to say, prior to this game, except let's get it done. The following article is a great story on a player who appreciates his opportunity here and appreciates the support of his family and fans - Rheda Kramdi.
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/10/24/in-my-words-redha-kramdi/
More information tomorrow on the Bombers and this game. In the meantime, let's get it on for this crucial game.
We either fight hard to our max on Saturday or we're forced to do it a week later in a WSF and a week after that in the WDF. Why do we want that pain & difficulty? I bet everyone wants another bye.
No matter what MTL says, their heart won't be mega into this game. Cody won't play a full game. Some other stars may not either.
If we get up 14 pts they'll fold because it's not worth it. If they get up 10 they'll likely also try to coast the rest of the way. Only if it's a close barnstormer will they keep risking assets -- and even then...
Maas is saying just what MOS would -- it's an important game and we're trying and intend to win. MOS said that even when dressing a clear "B team" in our past garbage-season games. "They wouldn't be here if they were starters ready to play" (paraphrasing). But we all know when you start your B players you're not really trying to your maximum. We'll see how many MTL PR->AR moves are made, and how many backups get the start. Actions speak louder than words.
Oh ya, even if MTL brings their playoff roster the whole game, so what? WPG is near flawless after the bye. WPG usually doesn't let a team season-sweep us (TOR being the only exception, and mostly due to bad luck). And WPG still wants that revenge for the '23 GC.
What's a better way to avenge the '23 GC than to kick MTL's butt at home just before the playoffs where we may face them again?
Well, I'm terrified.
Just win. All ya gotta do is win.
We crush them!!! Go Bombers!!!
Quote from: Jesse on October 25, 2024, 12:12:09 PMWell, I'm terrified.
Why? We are the class of the West, pretty healthy, going against a good club that will rest some players likely as the game goes on.
Won't be an easy game but we can do this.
We win if we dominate the LOS. It's Brady bully ball baby.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 25, 2024, 01:36:35 PMWe win if we dominate the LOS. It's Brady bully ball baby.
CFL championship strategy - give the chunky Canadian kid the ball and let him run wild.
Ed Tait @EdTaitWFC
The @Wpg_BlueBombers make 5 changes this week. On are Griffin II, Feltmate, Ayers, Wallace and Fox; off are McGhee, Charbonneau, Haba, Notree and Weitz
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Quote from: gobombersgo on October 25, 2024, 03:14:18 PMEd Tait @EdTaitWFC
The @Wpg_BlueBombers make 5 changes this week. On are Griffin II, Feltmate, Ayers, Wallace and Fox; off are McGhee, Charbonneau, Haba, Notree and Weitz
Some interesting choices being made here, could have implications for future decisions.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 25, 2024, 01:36:35 PMWhy? We are the class of the West, pretty healthy, going against a good club that will rest some players likely as the game goes on.
Won't be an easy game but we can do this.
We win if we dominate the LOS. It's Brady bully ball baby.
I think he is right to be nervous about this game. If the bombers do not win their path to the grey cup becomes that much harder. They are one point ahead of the Riders, so anything can happen here. Yes win and they are in, but I would be worried, as they are not the dominate team they were in 2019 and 2021 and no longer the "class" or dominate team in the west or league for that matter.
Should they win, yes, but the question is can they and will they.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 25, 2024, 03:24:14 PMSome interesting choices being made here, could have implications for future decisions.
More or less expected those changes this week. Vanterpool, Randolph and Person moved to 1 game IR along with Haba. IMO this was roster management keeping those players under contract instead of leaving them on the PR. We've added some good players back to the AR which improves our depth especially on ST's.
I questioned the move earlier and wondered why the OL weren't moved directly to the 1 game instead of to the AR. It must be some sort of rule that allows them to be paid a game check on IR instead of a PR pay check this week. Person barely was here to make that quick an impression to retain. Added to PR on 09/19.
Taylor still shows on our PR which contradicts being released earlier.
3 global players on the PR. Seems like a poor use of SMS keeping the extra guys around all year.
Put another way, I wonder how many of those on our PR get offers for TC 2025?
Quote from: jayrock on October 25, 2024, 03:25:48 PMI think he is right to be nervous about this game. If the bombers do not win their path to the grey cup becomes that much harder. They are one point ahead of the Riders, so anything can happen here. Yes win and they are in, but I would be worried, as they are not the dominate team they were in 2019 and 2021 and no longer the "class" or dominate team in the west or league for that matter.
Should they win, yes, but the question is can they and will they.
I'm more concerned about the west final.
Nice to see Wallace & Ayers back.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 25, 2024, 03:32:50 PMMore or less expected those changes this week. Vanterpool, Randolph and Person moved to 1 game IR along with Haba. IMO this was roster management keeping those players under contract instead of leaving them on the PR. We've added some good players back to the AR which improves our depth especially on ST's.
I questioned the move earlier and wondered why the OL weren't moved directly to the 1 game instead of to the AR. It must be some sort of rule that allows them to be paid a game check on IR instead of a PR pay check this week. Person barely was here to make that quick an impression to retain. Added to PR on 09/19.
Taylor still shows on our PR which contradicts being released earlier.
3 global players on the PR. Seems like a poor use of SMS keeping the extra guys around all year.
Put another way, I wonder how many of those on our PR get offers for TC 2025?
Agree, was more surprised by Habba being deleted and Kyrie Wilson not coming back, I wonder if they'll see any action in the playoffs. After the last game Bryan Cole showed he is almost indispensable.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 25, 2024, 01:36:35 PMWhy? We are the class of the West, pretty healthy, going against a good club that will rest some players likely as the game goes on.
Won't be an easy game but we can do this.
We win if we dominate the LOS. It's Brady bully ball baby.
I'm not "terrified", but this will be a tough slog. We have a 3-4 record against the East this year, with less than 20 points per game scored. I'm 60/40 we win. We need Brady to have a big game against the porous Alouette rush defense, or else we get our home playoff game a week early.
Alouette Depth Chart Game 18.jpg
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 25, 2024, 01:23:49 PM:D really? It'll be fine.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 25, 2024, 01:36:35 PMWhy? We are the class of the West, pretty healthy, going against a good club that will rest some players likely as the game goes on.
Won't be an easy game but we can do this.
We win if we dominate the LOS. It's Brady bully ball baby.
More so the implications of the game.
Can we and should we win? Of course. It's likely that Montreal is rotating people in the second half. The result should never be in question.
But the implications if we lose are huge. So, yup; I'm terrified.
Colour me as slightly nervous but cautiously optimistic. All they need is one point to lock up the division.
If Oliveira gets going early on and the defense can settle in with a few big plays, I fully expect a W.
I think the best way to describe my feelings is, "annoyed". I'm annoyed that everything is on the line here to get a first place bye when we had the opportunity to take care of business last weekend (at home, to boot). So rather than taking a relaxed approach to this game, I'm nervous. Not in the sense that I don't think we are good enough (because we are), but because anything can happen, including laying an egg like we did last week.
On that note, I really doubt (and god, I hope) that last week was just a flushable one-off. In the past, we've bounced back consistently in this exact situation (losing the game before the bye, week off, then coming out strong and winning the next game like nothing happened - what's our record after a bye again?). The only amount of doubt that remains stems from the painful memories of our 0-4/2-6 start where we were reminded what it was like to lose regularly for two months.
But, great roster on paper, well rested, and over the hump of having our annual wakeup call with a stinker. We should win and if we don't, we totally don't deserve first place and that's that. We control our own destiny and will lay in the bed that we make.
We just need to survive the first half. Keep it close. Good defense, mistake free as much as possible.
They have no where near the motivation we do to win. Their priority has to be to stay healthy and this will become more evident as the game goes on.
Wow, lots of nervous Nellie's here.
Yes they messed up last week. Or Sergio messed up last week.
Anyways does not matter now. That brutal start to the year is ultimately why we are where we are now.
I would rather be us than the Cryders who have very limited control over there destiny.
I'm looking at you OL and DL to have your best games of the year. The rest will work themselves out.
For heavens sake Sergio worked out his kinks once and for all this season!
Quote from: peg_city on October 25, 2024, 03:47:19 PMNice to see Wallace & Ayers back.
and Griffin whom I think has had an outstanding season.
Overall the line up looks real good. Full blown starters nearly. No excuses now!
No Wilson Woli Schoen Strevy though
No fear
No excuses
I'm trying to find a way to watch game overseas
Best looking roster this year IMO.
I'm expecting a tough playoff style slug fest in the first half & us pulling away in the 2nd half as they rest their starters.
Fox in for Haba. Haba wasn't having a good year, so I'm not surprised. Haba: 10 games, 6 DTs, 1 Sack.
Randolph not in the line-up. Thought our OL was better with him.
Two FBs? However Feltmate is good on teams.
Woli not back yet. Been watching Woli the last three weeks. He looks like he is in excellent condition running sprints for most of practice.
With Wallace and Feltmate back this should really help BO20 and our running game.
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Bombers went from 3.5 to 7.5 point favorites. That's good to see. The oddsmakers like their chances.
Quote from: Tiger on October 25, 2024, 08:30:22 PMNo fear
No excuses
I'm trying to find a way to watch game overseas
Maybe on IPTV? (internet tv subscription)
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Bombers beef up depth with return of special teams ace Michael Ayers
By 3Down Staff -October 25, 2024
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers will field an unchanged starting lineup for their pivotal regular-season finale against the Montreal Alouettes but will beef up their depth with the return of a couple of key faces.
Chief among the returnees is rookie linebacker Michael Ayers, who had carved out a significant role for himself this season before missing the last game with a hip injury. The Ashland product leads the team with 16 special teams tackles while also adding 11 defensive tackles, a sack, and a pick-six.
Joining him back in the linebacking corps after a one-game absence is backup SAM Michael Griffin. Fullback Bailey Feltmate is also back from a long injury to add to the special teams unit. Depth players sitting out as a result are American defensive back Tyrique Mcghee, American linebacker Bryce Notree, Canadian linebacker Max Charbonneau, and Global linebacker Fabian Weitz.
In the trenches, Winnipeg has benched defensive end Celestin Haba after he recorded six defensive tackles, one sack, and one forced fumble in 10 games. Defensive tackle Miles Fox, who has not seen action since Week 2, will dress in his place. On the other side of the ball, rookie Canadian offensive lineman Gabe Wallace returns from a knee injury to dress as the seventh man.
The Bombers (10-7) can clinch first place in the West Division with a victory when they travel to visit the Montreal Alouettes (12-4-1) on Saturday, October 26 at 3:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/10/25/bombers-beef-up-depth-with-return-of-special-teams-ace-michael-ayers/
RB Walter Fletcher, REC Austin Mack to play in Alouettes' finale
By 3Down Staff -October 25, 2024
The Montreal Alouettes are resting fewer key pieces than most expected for their regular-season finale on Saturday, including re-inserting two major offensive weapons into the lineup.
Running back Walter Fletcher and receiver Austin Mack will both play after sitting out last week. Fletcher has carried 129 times for 711 yards and three touchdowns through 16 games, while catching 67 passes for 641 yards and three more majors through the air. Mack has only played two games since returning from the NFL, notching seven catches for 124 yards, but was a CFL all-star in 2023.
The pair will catch passes from quarterback Cody Fajardo, who will get the start as Jason Maas' offence looks to regain its form. Running back Stevie Scott III and Canadian receiver Shedler Fervius have been returned to the practice roster to make room for the starting pair.
The offence will have to make do without right tackle Josh Donovan, who exited last week's game with a knee injury. Jamar McGloster will step in to replace him but is listed as a game-time decision with a hand injury. Canadian Theo Grant will dress as a seventh offensive lineman.
Montreal's nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian, defensive end Isaac Adeyemi-Berglund, will also be out this week with a quad injury. The 28-year-old has recorded 36 defensive tackles, five special teams tackles, seven sacks, and a forced fumble in 17 games. Lwal Uguak will start in his place, with Brock Gowanlock drawing into the lineup.
Kick returner James Letcher Jr. will be the only player to sit out this week as a healthy scratch. Rookie Tyjon Lindsey will get the nod for his first CFL appearance.
The Alouettes (12-4-1) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (10-7) on Saturday, October 26 at 3:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/10/25/rb-walter-fletcher-rec-austin-mack-to-play-in-alouettes-finale/
No one is talking about MTL's chart. They are going all-in here. They are trying to intimidate, and it's working. The message is they are trying to win, and I expect them to be tough coming out the gate. But as the game wears on there are many scenarios where they will start taking it easy and shifting in the B-team because even if they claim to have their heart in it, it really won't be as the tough game slogs on.
If they get even one bad injury I expect MTL to fully turtle. If they lose 2 important starters right before the EDF they will quit. It's simply not worth it.
It would have been better if MTL had won last week so they wouldn't have to "get back into playoff form" against us. But c'est la vie.
Quote from: Pigskin on October 25, 2024, 09:21:05 PMFox in for Haba. Haba wasn't having a good year, so I'm not surprised. Haba: 10 games, 6 DTs, 1 Sack.
Two FBs? However Feltmate is good on teams.
2 FB + 7 OL was our preferred roster before injuries dictated otherwise. And with our QB protection issues and run block issues, this is the smart move. Show them the cold(ish)-game late-season bullyball that is our M.O. going into the post-season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 25, 2024, 04:02:56 PMAgree, was more surprised by Habba being deleted and Kyrie Wilson not coming back, I wonder if they'll see any action in the playoffs. After the last game Bryan Cole showed he is almost indispensable.
Ya, strange move. Could be Haba has been deemed not good enough for the post-season. We sometimes take until the last minute like this to figure these things out. Not sure Fox is any better, but he'll certainly be fresh. Too bad we never got any late-season stud pickup/trade...
Quote from: peg_city on October 25, 2024, 03:46:52 PMI'm more concerned about the west final.
I'm not. This basically is the west final. I'm not scared by BC or SSK if we can play them @PAS. We should beat either handily, just like we did in the last 2 games against each. We have their numbers, and both teams are very one-dimensional.
But if we lose to MTL and have to play both WSF/WDF and play WDF in SSK, then we're going to get beat up in terms of injuries and wear & tear. Then even if we make it to the cup we'll be too injured and tired to win against an East that will have only one tough game to get there (whether TOR or MTL, because OTT will be a cakewalk).
Remember, half our team is geriatric ;) , and while they can perform great for 1-2 games, it's hard on them to keep that up 3-4 weeks in a row.
Quote from: gobombersgo on October 25, 2024, 10:37:13 PMRB Walter Fletcher, REC Austin Mack to play in Alouettes' finale
By 3Down Staff -October 25, 2024
The Montreal Alouettes are resting fewer key pieces than most expected for their regular-season finale on Saturday, including re-inserting two major offensive weapons into the lineup.
Running back Walter Fletcher and receiver Austin Mack will both play after sitting out last week. Fletcher has carried 129 times for 711 yards and three touchdowns through 16 games, while catching 67 passes for 641 yards and three more majors through the air. Mack has only played two games since returning from the NFL, notching seven catches for 124 yards, but was a CFL all-star in 2023.
The pair will catch passes from quarterback Cody Fajardo, who will get the start as Jason Maas' offence looks to regain its form. Running back Stevie Scott III and Canadian receiver Shedler Fervius have been returned to the practice roster to make room for the starting pair.
The offence will have to make do without right tackle Josh Donovan, who exited last week's game with a knee injury. Jamar McGloster will step in to replace him but is listed as a game-time decision with a hand injury. Canadian Theo Grant will dress as a seventh offensive lineman.
Montreal's nominee for Most Outstanding Canadian, defensive end Isaac Adeyemi-Berglund, will also be out this week with a quad injury. The 28-year-old has recorded 36 defensive tackles, five special teams tackles, seven sacks, and a forced fumble in 17 games. Lwal Uguak will start in his place, with Brock Gowanlock drawing into the lineup.
Kick returner James Letcher Jr. will be the only player to sit out this week as a healthy scratch. Rookie Tyjon Lindsey will get the nod for his first CFL appearance.
The Alouettes (12-4-1) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (10-7) on Saturday, October 26 at 3:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/10/25/rb-walter-fletcher-rec-austin-mack-to-play-in-alouettes-finale/
Dressing Walter Fletcher and Austin Mack makes a big difference, gives the Als 2 explosive weapons that can make big plays, especially Fletcher sneaking out of the backfield for dump passes. I don't expect the Bombers to hold them below 100 yds. each but hopefully they can keep them out of the endzone.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 25, 2024, 11:54:26 PMDressing Walter Fletcher and Austin Mack makes a big difference, gives the Als 2 explosive weapons that can make big plays, especially Fletcher sneaking out of the backfield for dump passes. I don't expect the Bombers to hold them below 100 yds. each but hopefully they can keep them out of the endzone.
They'll start but for how long is another question.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 25, 2024, 11:54:26 PMDressing Walter Fletcher and Austin Mack makes a big difference, gives the Als 2 explosive weapons that can make big plays, especially Fletcher sneaking out of the backfield for dump passes. I don't expect the Bombers to hold them below 100 yds. each but hopefully they can keep them out of the endzone.
They're practicing to get ready for play-offs. I don't expect either to play the whole game.
Rhetorical questions:
1. Is Haba actually injured
2. Or was Fox activated because he has fresh legs.
3. I never had the impression Fox was a DE and is more of a DT is size and speed but is listed at DE.
4. Will we see more LB's used as edge rushers / contain in some sets ( 34 defences ) than 2 DE's as a base formation?
I have no problem with Fox being activated but we've seen so little from him in due to injury. I had always thought he'd come in at DT when he was healthy. He'll be a player to watch to see how he fits in and how he does. He is the heaviest DL we have on our roster.
Although I said this was rhetorical but feel free to respond with an opinion. It is somewhat moot since Fox is on and Haba is off.
Both games last night the players/teams went full out.
I think this game might well be the same.
trite but...... Contain/ Pressure Fajardo/Alexander. I would like to see Fajardo "regress to the mean"
it almost seems like O'Shea and friends are having a bit of a chuckle when they set the players positions on the depth chart.
I think everything is scrutinized for some kind of advantage by those guys.
Quote from: markf on October 26, 2024, 02:57:37 PMBoth games last night the players/teams went full out.
I think this game might well be the same.
trite but...... Contain/ Pressure Fajardo/Alexander.
Kelly didn't take a snap last night so I don't think I'd agree the Argos went full out. Some players didn't play and some were rested early.
The Als have 1st place locked up and aside from wanting to get back on the winning path, they don't want to risk injury.
I don't think Fajardo plays long tonight. Alexander can be dangerous though.
For those (like me) that stream TSN - I just realized that today's game is on CTV. However, we should be able to watch the game on the "enhanced data" feed on TSN+.
Quote from: pdirks67 on October 26, 2024, 03:08:19 PMFor those (like me) that stream TSN - I just realized that today's game is on CTV. However, we should be able to watch the game on the "enhanced data" feed on TSN+.
Yes I believe so, TSN+ has worked for the last few CTV televised games, but if the game is not listed there you could go to CFL+ to watch it.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2024, 02:57:30 PMRhetorical questions:
1. Is Haba actually injured
2. Or was Fox activated because he has fresh legs.
3. I never had the impression Fox was a DE and is more of a DT is size and speed but is listed at DE.
4. Will we see more LB's used as edge rushers / contain in some sets ( 34 defences ) than 2 DE's as a base formation?
I have no problem with Fox being activated but we've seen so little from him in due to injury. I had always thought he'd come in at DT when he was healthy. He'll be a player to watch to see how he fits in and how he does. He is the heaviest DL we have on our roster.
Although I said this was rhetorical but feel free to respond with an opinion. It is somewhat moot since Fox is on and Haba is off.
Fox surely isn't classified as a DE but it doesn't matter much in a 3 man front they're all creators of havoc, like the Argos the the D-line roles are being combined, with no clear distinction between DE's and DT's. A pure pass rushing DE like Willie gets lost in the mix and may soon become a disappearing breed, D-line bodies are getting heavier and thicker. As for Haba who knows, he hasn't done a whole lot to establish his place on the D-line and maybe considered the weakest havoc creator among the imports.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2024, 03:03:48 PMAlexander can be dangerous though.
That guy is one hit away from being on crutches. How many times have we seen a QB who thinks he's invincible get crippled? Too many, including Bombers (Streveler).
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 03:36:50 PMThat guy is one hit away from being on crutches. How many times have we seen a QB who thinks he's invincible get crippled? Too many, including Bombers (Streveler).
Sure, except if you're going to use that example, Streveler's big injury was actually in the pocket throwing the football and not taking on the middle linebacker in the open field.
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 03:36:50 PMThat guy is one hit away from being on crutches. How many times have we seen a QB who thinks he's invincible get crippled? Too many, including Bombers (Streveler).
I agree. It's the same kind of issue for Tre Ford. Very dangerous if he escapes the pocket but many of that kind of QB eventually gets injured and is never the same. However, Alexander has shown to be a good / accurate passer as well. He will gain some interest in free agency.
Rourke is another example. Teams have been able to limit his ability to escape and forcing him to be a passer. Losing Burnham and other injuries to receivers has made life more difficult.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2024, 03:42:29 PMI agree. It's the same kind of issue for Tre Ford. Very dangerous if he escapes the pocket but many of that kind of QB eventually gets injured and is never the same. However, Alexander has shown to be a good / accurate passer as well. He will gain some interest in free agency.
Rourke is another example. Teams have been able to limit his ability to escape and forcing him to be a passer. Losing Burnham and other injuries to receivers has made life more difficult.
Same with Alexander, if the Bombers can contain him from extending plays with his legs, they can force him to make bad decisions and inaccurate throws.
Hopefully Kelly can make a play or 3, it is his time to prove himself and belong.
They'll pick on him and Bond if they are smart
Quote from: pdirks67 on October 26, 2024, 03:08:19 PMFor those (like me) that stream TSN - I just realized that today's game is on CTV. However, we should be able to watch the game on the "enhanced data" feed on TSN+.
same boat....I hope you are right.
Well, here we go!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 26, 2024, 03:41:07 PMSure, except if you're going to use that example, Streveler's big injury was actually in the pocket throwing the football and not taking on the middle linebacker in the open field.
That was just the last time albeit the worst. He's been dinged many times before. Alexander ain't Streveler either.
No Sergio good field position however
USE BRADY PLEASE
Ford 100% INTed that ball on the 1st play. Robbed by the refs. No bobble. Feet inbounds. Too early to challenge.
Can't refs as command for help there??
So I can't watch todays game without a CTV subscription or TSN+ ??
2 things we know so far:
1. We can move the ball with a good plan.
2. MTL is playing high-risk / high-reward (deep shots) because they don't really care if they win. This should bode well for our ball hawks. Plus, they don't want to show us their true game plan lest we face them in the GC.
Quote from: Tehedra on October 26, 2024, 07:23:17 PMSo I can't watch todays game without a CTV subscription or TSN+ ??
Walk next door to your neighbour and flip on their cable? :P :P :P
Secondary has been outstanding so far...
RUN THE BALL
I hope Cole is ok. Luckily Ayers has started there and should be ok for now.
Quote from: Tehedra on October 26, 2024, 07:23:17 PMSo I can't watch todays game without a CTV subscription or TSN+ ??
I am warching on tsn + I have no subscription
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 26, 2024, 07:25:10 PMRUN THE BALL
Why? The dink & dunk was working well. We may be thinking they will focus on Brady stop (which is never a bad idea for opponents).
Wow, Kenny usually gets that! Perfect throw.
I like how Zach got that ball out fast, quick decision, quick toss. No pressure except on maybe one play. Our protection is much better (more bodies).
MTL back to the dink & dunk, will take advantage of the quick outs we like to leave open.
There's that screen. We'll now find out if we found a way to stop those since the GC, eh? Giving up 8Y there isn't a good sign.
What's with all these injuries? We need to get out of this one mostly clean!!
Cole and now Woods!
The hoggie was bullying Woods 5Y down the field away from the ball and dragged him to the turf. Not sure what injury that can cause.
Lawler is not our only receiver.
Zach locking onto lawler.
Cole back. I'm happy we're sticking with our LBer QB/RB spy concept we've employed so much in the 2nd half of the season.
What a brutal call
Quote from: markf on October 26, 2024, 07:35:58 PMLawler is not our only receiver.
Zach locking onto lawler.
He threw to Pokey/Wheat early on. I think he went back to Kenny after that 1st Kenny drop, knowing he'd be angry and motivated.
And since this is basically a playoff game, I'd expect Zach to use his best weapon.
I like that we have Pokey on Ento. Pokey should have had that. That's a very weak OPI. Ento just did a lot of embellishing.
I really don't like that we have the French ref crew in MTL. So far they seem very biased.
That was not OPI, what are the refs doing?
Missed roughing the passer. Not getting the calls so far.
That's a great snag by Demski. That's not one we usually ask of him.
Lots of crazy tight coverage. Doing these zone sits and bodying-out the defenders, but then you have to make a solid catch every time, and the RECs take punishment.
Surely that tight coverage should result in a bust somewhere?
Quote from: bomb squad on October 26, 2024, 07:42:17 PMMissed roughing the passer. Not getting the calls so far.
It was our hoggie running into Zach
Stop with the stupid costumes already!
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 07:44:09 PMStop with the stupid costumes already!
I like the RastaFORDEian!
Castillo just made it, almost wide right.
Castillo getting things on track. Not the best snap.
Not sure what that EZ cameraman was thinking.
We need to do more looking off Dequoy and throwing out decoys / clearing routes. That dude is just everywhere, and for a featherweight he can really tackle.
It would sure be nice to see the end zone. Zach is never happy with 3s when the 7s are there.
Sergio the drama lol
I haven't heard Willie's name yet..
Tandem block on that hoggie late in the run. But no one calls it anymore. Last guy to call it was Proulx like 7 seasons ago when they updated the rule.
Shambles on that tackling. Get the legs.
WTH was that? 30 yards?!?
no excuse sean thomas shouldn't be able to do that against our defence
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 26, 2024, 07:48:19 PMI haven't heard Willie's name yet..
I haven't even seen Willie in there much! Is Woods back?
Where's the pressure? Cody loves that middle. Watch that middle. Have some D's crossing back in for megahits.
Not looking good here.
The difference so far is Rambo > Kenny?
Sad.
Picking on Bonds, clearly still the weak link.
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 07:48:15 PMIt would sure be nice to see the end zone. Zach is never happy with 3s when the 7s are there.
He should try converting some TDs once in a while then.
wow. that is a the weakest defence in a while
run defence - terrible
pass defence and qb pressure - terrible
MTL O out-thinking us again. That drive was pure out-braining. They don't run at all and then when useless STE is in they dial up a big run and Younger has us in pass-stop.
Just like the GC. Our coaches let us down on that one.
MTL's heart isn't really in it, you can tell. We should be trampling all over them.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 07:53:08 PMwow. that is a the weakest defence in a while
run defence - terrible
pass defence and qb pressure - terrible
Carefull Blueforlife aka PJrockmb is lurking around somewhere.
O has to start scoring. Can't keep relying on might-whiff Castillo. Can't keep failing on 2nd & long.
Why can't we be money on 2nd & long like BLM used to be 8 years ago in CGY? It's always a challenge for us.
What's with all these offsides? Kenny again? Get some focus guys!
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 07:55:11 PMCarefull Blueforlife aka PJrockmb is lurking around somewhere.
that's fine...
bomber defence is better than what they showed on that drive. but this is an important game and you can't take a series off
Castillo finding his groove maybe? That one juuuuuuust made it beyond the crossbar.
Seems like we have to work real hard for what we get and they just breeze down the field.
Castillo came to play.
Giving up way to much on 1st down. Still no good answers for the outs & screens, and not prioritizing the run.
MTL is setting us up for the big explosion pass & run just like they did in the GC.
Have we learned nothing?
ugh. illegal block. we are going to have a long field
So far from what I am seeing in this game and the Tor game I am not holding out much hope of us making it to the GC this year. Mtl running/passing on us and we have to settle for FG's instead of TD's on O. This won't get it done.
Here's a good chance to see our 2 min drill. 2 min drive and end in a TD.
So far we aren't playing any more physical than MTL, which is scary and sad. Well, maybe the OL is a bit more. But the D isn't being physical.
If they really want anything this season they need to amp it up.
So far the massive gambling spread is looking insane. Vegas gonna clean up bigly is MTL wins. It was the worst odds I've seen in any CFL game all year like WPG was a guaranteed win, like MTL was CGY or something.
Mr Griffin makes a play.
Zima is good
this looks like the typical eastern saturday afternoon game...
If we can stay even with them for the first half, I won't necessarily hate where we're at.
Wow, not sneaking on a SY!? I'm pretty sure I've only seen that once in 5 seasons from MOS. It worked, but only because we psyched them out with the under-center sneak look.
Who keeps throwing a yellow flag thing in front of that camera in the stands? It's really annoying.
Quote from: bomb squad on October 26, 2024, 08:09:05 PMIf we can stay even with them for the first half, I won't necessarily hate where we're at.
We should be slaughtering them. This is a sad performance so far. Big yards but no points.
MTL doesn't really care, aren't really trying. Just toying with us.
Zach had a clean pocket there, don't know why he vacates sometimes.
Zack panicked there he would have had enough time staying in the pocket.
I have noticed this season if you can sack Zac a couple of times, he tends to get happy feet in the pocket after that.
We drop 9 in coverage yet we still give up 5-8 on every 1st down. When our RECs make catches there's a MTL guy draped on them every time.
terrible attempt at pressure on faj
Mtl is far better on O than we are.
I'm so tired of their screwups. Montreal wins; Winnipeg loses in Regina; end of story.
Seriously being out-brained here. Coaches didn't have a good plan going in. Letting us down again.
Picking on Bonds again when it comes time to score.
I guess we are okay in giving them a FG.
Quote from: northof30 on October 26, 2024, 08:16:04 PMI'm so tired of their screwups. Montreal wins; Winnipeg loses in Regina; end of story.
Have to agree with you on this one!
This 2 min drill was supposed to mean points for us, not points for them. We used to kill these drills... not so much anymore.
Well, that was a frustrating half of football to watch.
Good riddance Ambrosie. Bye
Of course, now we'll probably get someone worse...
defence does not look as invested as they should be.
paging willie...
rip yourself and the team a new one MOS
do the bombers want first place or not??
ambroise retiring and dave naylor needs to undo that suit jacket button
Play calling very disappointing this first half. The dline has 0 pressure, the only dirt on Fajardo's jersey is from the qb draw he tried.
We need to start playing to win
Castillo: Missed FG
Lawler: Dropped TD pass
Wilson: OPI
Generally too many penalties.
Only 4 rushing plays in the 1st 20 minutes. What the heck?
Our DL is not getting any pressure. Good chance we see Alexander in the 2nd half but he can escape easier than Fajardo.
Come on guys. 1st play is on the line here.
We don't want to play in the WSF. Do something, make a play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2024, 08:20:55 PMCastillo: Missed FG
Lawler: Dropped TD pass
Wilson: OPI
Generally too many penalties.
Only 4 rushing plays in the 1st 20 minutes. What the heck?
Not to mention 2 offside penalties against Lawler.
Our DL is not getting any pressure. Good chance we see Alexander in the 2nd half but he can escape easier than Fajardo.
**Not to mention 2 offside penalties against Lawler.**
Come on guys. 1st play is on the line here.
outside of a couple of games,The offence has been ineffective all season.
A few rays of hope, but it has been mostly bland, ineffective, and puzzling.
Probably a number of things... I saw 66 get beaten Twice this half allowing a sack.
sure is a lack of fire so far in this game. Brady would light it, but needs an opportunity.
I'm wondering if we're missing Alexander in the middle to make more plays. Kelly hasn't seemed to have made a mistake but he's not making plays either?
if we play like this going into the playoffs I really dont like our chances, hopefully we get some energy the second half
milt is right
looks like a weak effort from the Bombers
Quote from: markf on October 26, 2024, 08:26:33 PMoutside of a couple of games,The offence has been ineffective all season.
A few rays of hope, mostly bland, ineffective, and puzzling.
Probably a number of things... I saw 66 get beaten Twice this half allowing a sack.
The one I saw was on Zac for sliding out of the pocket when he didn't have to.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2024, 08:20:55 PMOur DL is not getting any pressure. Good chance we see Alexander in the 2nd half but he can escape easier than Fajardo.
Why not let Cody keep playing? It's working and he's 100% clean.
And it's not Cody that's good, it's Calvillo and Maas. Their braintrust is massively outperforming ours. And they are sticking to the '23 GC game plan... we still haven't studied and learned from that game?
P.S. It's not just the whiffs: losing that legit INT on the 1st play set the tone, just like Schoen dropping that first pass in the '22 GC set the tone. The first big play sets up the whole game. Refs robbed us and put MOS in a bind, because you can't lose your challenge in the first because the refs will ream you all game.
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 08:28:42 PMThe one I saw was on Zac for sliding out of the pocket when he didn't have to.
And going the wrong way too
Quote from: markf on October 26, 2024, 08:26:33 PMsure is a lack of fire so far in this game. Brady would light it, but needs an opportunity.
Lack of fire so far in this season. Ever since AH33 left the fire has continually gone downhill. The even-keel approach has a downside: they can't get hyped when they need to.
We let the hype guys walk, AH33, Yoshi, Bailey... then wonder why we have no fire.
Clearly no one has stepped up.
What a difference compared to the underdogs that crushed Hamilton, the first Cup win.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 08:30:09 PMRefs robbed us and put MOS in a bind, because you can't lose your challenge in the first because the refs will ream you all game.
and this surprises you because ...?
No way should we be losing the battle on the line today. Have to pick it up.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 08:33:13 PMLack of fire so far in this season. Ever since AH33 left the fire has continually gone downhill. The even-keel approach has a downside: they can't get hyped when they need to.
We let the hype guys walk, AH33, Yoshi, Bailey... then wonder why we have no fire.
Clearly no one has stepped up.
sure seems like that.
Why are we giving the ball to MTL to start both halves?
They said the wind was swirling, not in any one direction's favor.
that out of bounds!
I think Mack was out there. Thanks refs: Ford was out by Mack was fine.
I'm getting really annoyed with the pro-French Proulx Crew.
3 man rush is so frustrating
Game over folks!
Bonds again.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 08:37:38 PM3 man rush is so frustrating
It's great when you stop the pass!! Or get the INT! Our soft zone way... not so much.
We need to start really whacking RECs to make MTL think about removing players. Picking on Bonds again. That's the plan to beat WPG. FS nowhere to be seen.
lazy lazy pass rush - guys just standing there
Easy to play linebacker for the Bombers. Just stand there and watch.
TD here puts the game out of reach the way our O has been playing for the last game and a half. Then Mtl will take Cody out.
I don't think we've taken any deep shots ourselves yet? So we're not doing the run game, and we're not doing the deep game. We're content to just sit there on the Lapo dink & dunk and failing on their side of the field.
Strange, because we usually take a lot of deep shots. I guess we're still scared of Ento & Dequoy.
And no one has told me why we give them ball in both halves...
This is starting to be pathetic. The only glimmer is up 2 TDs MTL will probably start pulling their stars.
too easy, walk in!
Quote from: bomb squad on October 26, 2024, 08:41:04 PMEasy to play linebacker for the Bombers. Just stand there and watch.
kinda true...
Well that was pathetic. 3Y from EZ and we didn't anticipate a run?
It's so frustrating because Cody actually isn't good.
Doubly frustrating because TOR 2 weeks ago at home was the easy game and this game could have meant nothing.
Well, I'll have faith our O has decided to wake up and get serious and Buck gets his head out of ... and starts giving us a chance to win.
we look like were playing not to get hurt... our leaders need to step up.. talking Willie . Nichols and Zac
Is whitehead afraid to use his speed? Every return hes trying to pick his way
I want everyone to compare our intensity with the intensity SSK will bring in a couple of hours if we lose this.
Where is our intensity?
Lucky is no returner, we let Jamarion walk for 80,000. Sure miss him this year!
2nd game in a row we are getting severely out physicalled
Look at our team: completely defeated in morale. Won't win if they lose the morale. Then again, maybe we never had it.
Finally we take a deep shot!! Why do we wait 2.5 Q's to take a shot?
Great catch Demski, that was a tough one.
ND just over 1,000 yards
Must get TD. 3 does nothing for us here
We NEED 7 HERE GO 3 DOWNS IF YOU NEED TO.
OMG, FG
I would have gone for it. Play to win at this point.
Pathetic play in the redzone. If there's a blitz that's coming through, have a corner fade you can chuck up an pray.
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 08:49:55 PMWe NEED 7 HERE GO 3 DOWNS IF YOU NEED TO.
fg was the right call. it stinks we had to but it was the right call
we have 0 imagination on offence, finally get a chance to get some momentum and we fail to execute play after play, our oline falls apart with any pressure
Not a fan of that decision.
I don't think we're getting D stops. I think we need to put up 7 on every drive.
need a turnover
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 08:52:20 PMfg was the right call. it stinks we had to but it was the right call
In a normal game, yes. In this "playoff" game, no.
MTL keeping Cody in, laughing at us that we have no pass rush and there's zero risk he'll get injured.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 08:53:26 PMneed a turnover
Wishing for a T/O is a wish to lose. Sure, I'd like one too, but if that's our game plan, we're doomed. Besides, MTL will play it super safe now with maybe the odd deep shot to Bonds when they've suckered us sufficiently.
We had a great INT to start the game but we were robbed. That also robs Ford of a Milligan-tying 8th INT to lead the league.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 08:54:06 PMIn a normal game, yes. I this "playoff" game, no.
MTL keeping Cody in, laughing at us that we have no pass rush and there's zero risk he'll get injured.
with the time left in the game - take the points and make it a one score game
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 08:56:26 PMwith the time left in the game - take the points and make it a one score game
Haha! You think we'd be able to get a 2 pt convert! :o :o :o ::) ::)
our oline was embarassed against the argos, I thought this was to be a redemption game. No running room for Brady
Quote from: Pete on October 26, 2024, 08:57:30 PMour oline was embarassed against the argos, I thought this was to be a redemption game. No running room for Brady
I think MTL is playing to stop the run. That's why these deep shots are working.
Case in point: another Brady waste of a down.
Finally, some brains start functioning! Wow, that was a tight window and almost an INT! Had some luck there.
So no 2PTA?
there we go !
smart football
I'd start doing play action to Brady every down and just chucking it deep. When they loosen up, then you can run Brady.
Ugh, I haven't been this nervous for a game since '23 GC!
now we have to chase alexander - maybe we can force a turnover
That 2nd and very long was pathetic.
kelly is out of his depth
kelly - meh!
Kelly is terrible.
a screen play shouldn't work that well with a 3 man rush
BONDS CAN'T COVER
Alexander will throw up more deep shots, unless he's being reined in. So we could get INTs. Cody is more reserved and really only throws up 1-on-1s.
Alexander and Cody both require a spy, so no change there.
Calvillo clearly just looks where Bonds is and calls that play.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 09:05:51 PMa screen play shouldn't work that well with a 3 man rush
MTL has always been good at clearing out the flat for draws and QB runs. It's arguably how they won the '23 GC. We just have to not fall for it and keep a LBer or FS in the middle flat.
did I see a two man D line with no middle linebacker?
actually they waited till Jones was out for a rest, then immediately went to the center screen.
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 09:05:56 PMBONDS CAN'T COVER
No kidding. He's this year's '23 GC Parker. Always facing the receiver in chase mode floundering to look like he's doing something.
Why is Cole the coverage on that deep shot? Getting destroyed.
Cole is WILL BTW. That is 100% a failure of our D coaches and scheme.
I'd rather have Cody in the game.
NOT BAD FOR A #2 QB, THEY WILL SCORE HERE AGAIN.
we just dont learn.. 3 man pressure on 2nd and long, am more than pissed, especially with Thomas as one of the three
What is Kelly doing there? My gawd he's awful!
wow - jordan younger needs to be fired with this scheme we are playing. there is a LB just standing bouncing on his feet instead of covering or rushing
The lack of pass rush is simply baffling.
Quote from: Pete on October 26, 2024, 09:10:32 PMwe just dont learn.. 3 man pressure on 2nd and long, am more than pissed
It doesn't matter. 4 man isn't getting anywhere either. If we can't get pressure, I'd actually go 0 man pressure. Just try it, what on earth can go wrong? If we can't get through no matter what, why try? Just double cover everyone with a spy on the QB.
I didn't see this fail from the defense coming. Disappointing.
our weaknesses really getting exposed, lack of pressure and a terrible return game
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 09:10:55 PMWhat is Kelly doing there? My gawd he's awful!
He's the best we have. Not like Hallett was doing any better, always getting picked on. No options right now.
zack almost had his knee blown out
Theyve been doing three d line no rush/contain all season. itbworked for a long time....
now other teams have figured out how to beat it.
HOW CAN MTL GET PRESSURE WITH A 3 MAN RUSH?
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 09:15:14 PMHOW CAN MTL GET PRESSURE WITH A 3 MAN RUSH?
Good DL, and always a different set of players actually coming. Never can tell who's dropping back. Thorpe is the new Hall.
Zach losing his **** is not a good look. MOS will need to rein him in.
MTL is going to score again. To have a hope we need 7 every possession. That last drive may be the death of us.
whitehead must have heard me
Next year we need:
- A legitimate returner.
- A #1 QB, time to move on from ZC
- Some OL help
- A Safety
Please feel free to add to this.
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 09:17:34 PMZach losing his **** is not a good look. MOS will need to rein him in.
The rookies may be part of the problem. That's the problem with rookies... I thought all the "each rookie will lose you one game" toll had been paid earlier in the year, though.
The gambling odds on this game were such that people could be making a looooot of money (triple your money) on any MTL outright bets.
ste catches lucky...it was a great return but man is he ever slow
NICE RETURN BY LUCKY, NEED 7 NOT 3 HERE MOS.
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 09:20:05 PMNext year we need:
- A legitimate returner.
- A #1 QB, time to move on from ZC
- Some OL help
- A Safety
Please feel free to add to this.
Zach's fine.
We need some stud OL and stud IMP DE/DT. That's really it. If we had those things right now we'd be unstoppable with no other changes.
Oh ya, and having Schoen not out 97% of the season would help too.
That was a great playcall and execution to Emporer
See, Brady at the 3Y isn't a perfect solution. A sneak would have been better on that try.
SLIDE DOWN THE LINE AND TAKE IT WIDE, THIS IS 3 DOWN TIME.
Wilson thankfully shows he's at least as good as Strev & Prukop at SY. He only has one failure on 3rd this season. That's good enough for me.
now is the time for 2
That rainbow only works when the guy has separation. If you're doing that, do a rainbow to the corner.
Dumb and lame 2PAT. We may be the worst 2PAT in the league. (Told ya so!)
Would have had a better shot just giving it to Brady, 50/50.
THAT IS OKAY DOWN 1 OR 2 IS NO DIFFERENCE.
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 09:25:52 PMTHAT IS OKAY DOWN 1 OR 2 IS NO DIFFERENCE.
2 would have tied it. Oh you mean no difference a whiff vs a good kick... ya I guess
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 09:26:20 PM2 would have tied it.
YES, BUT A PAT WOULD STILL LEAVE US DOWN 1 SO BEING DOWN 1 OR 2 IS NO DIFFERENCE.
WE ARE GOING 4 DL RUSH HERE.
See, rushing 4 doesn't help. Rush zero, how can it hurt.
Some MTLers getting dinged up, maybe Maas will start easing up.
If they lose Fletcher and Ento, was it worth it Maas? You know who's loving this? TOR
gotta get mtrl off the field.
ALEXANDER IS SHREDDING US!
It just dawned on me that we're playing this dumb soft zone because Bonds will get beat if we ever go man.
willy - invisible
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 09:31:26 PMALEXANDER IS SHREDDING US!
Alexander is better than Cody. By far.
our dline thomas and smeckle in . Is that the best we can do?
This game will come down to the same situation as vs TOR. We'll be in 3 down mode on a final drive and we have to actually succeed this time.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 09:32:42 PMAlexander is better than Cody. By far.
MAYBE WE GO AFTER HIM IN FA AND MOVE ON FROM ZAC?
Quote from: Pete on October 26, 2024, 09:32:59 PMour dline thomas and smeckle in . Is that the best we can do?
Yes. Because Schoen Kenny and Brady
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 09:33:51 PMMAYBE WE GO AFTER HIM IN FA AND MOVE ON FROM ZAC?
I wouldn't say no to that, but the timing is wrong. Zach gets 2025. If Alexander is up for FA I could see MTL letting Cody walk instead.
BO slips - there were at least 4 more yards to get
well...at least the bombers made the playoffs if they lose
I can't remember a game where Willie has been so invisible
ZC HAS HAD A VERY BAD YEAR BY HIS NORMAL STANDARDS, GIVING HIM 2025 BECAUSE WE HOST THE GC WOULD BE A MISTAKE IMO.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 09:35:32 PMBO slips - there were at least 4 more yards to get
Ya, great time to decide to slip. Everything on the line and whoops! Not the first time he's done that this year either.
THERE GOES THE GAME.
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 09:36:37 PMZC HAS HAD A VERY BAD YEAR BY HIS NORMAL STANDARDS, GIVING HIM 2025 BECAUSE WE HOST THE GC WOULD BE A MISTAKE IMO.
Zach gets the 2025 home cup, no doubt whatsoever.
over
That's DPI
NO INCOMPLETE.
well...if they did make the grey cup...there is no way the bombers beat the als
Can't go through the receiver challenge it
2 min left, 40Y gain challenge
whew.
not going for it?
MOS NO TRUST IN ZC, TIME TO MOVE ON FROM HIM.
I can't believe it. Nothing to lose. Challenge!!
Unbelievable. Dude went through Pokey very early. 2 min left, don't need that challenge anymore!
Refs robbing us yet again this game.
you don't get the 5 the game is over - the throw wasn't there
Now we don't get a challenge anyhow. Was it worth saving 20s on the clock?
The D actually did something! Praise Jesus!
Ford should have clinched that.
Oh well, I want to see the O get it done anyhow. They owe it to us.
CHALLENGE NOW GONE, NO TIME OUTS LEFT.
OK, here's the season!
Just what we need. Lucky and Johnny the only backups.
MTL trying to injure?
I hope we go postal on them in the next 2 mins.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 09:42:57 PMOK, here's the season!
WELL NOT THE SEASON BUT FIRST PLACE.
Nice moves Zach!! Love the cuts
OL needs to up their game!! OL letting guys through again. Where's the energy? C'mon guys!!
Need only 20Y
Pokey whiffs
It's like a punt, it's a good call
sad way to end the season
GAME OVER! COME ON CALGARY!
It was short anyhow. But we get good field position, but we need the quickest 2 & out ever.
not even close for sergio.
wilson needs to catch that one
play calling lost us this game as well
Watch SSK put up 50 on CGY. That's how you win your final game.
One more shot for us and then we're doomed.
Quote from: The Zipp on October 26, 2024, 09:48:52 PMwilson needs to catch that one
You don't put the whole season on a rookie REC. You throw it to Kenny. OL didn't do their job on that last snap.
that long kick was just stupid - more chance to get 10 yards than a 60 yard FG
Sad pathetic showing against a team who is just playing for poops and giggles.
Let's see if we can pull out a miracle.
Ok, I'm not a big religious guy, but that wind gust is a sign from God that we are to win this game.
After dying down for Castillo's kick, we catch a break.
the wind
Why not a quick pass?? WIthout the wind he'll just whiff again.
Pray for the wind. We need that wind to help this kick.
BOMBERS WIN!
o my gawddd!!!...thank gawd for mother nature
unbeleivable...did every one from winnipeg blow out at the same time?
I called it!
Well you don't see that every day. Not pretty but we have 1st place.
God is a a Bomber fan
castillo .... happiest man on the planet atnthis moment.
Quote from: Pete on October 26, 2024, 09:54:25 PMunbeleivable...did every one from winnipeg blow out at the same time?
😂
if we win the Grey Cup....
Castillo kicking that fg with the rain pouring down...wow!
Footballs gods bet the Bombers.
Quote from: markf on October 26, 2024, 09:55:42 PMcastillo .... happiest man on the planet atnthis moment.
Castillo may be the most religious guy on the team. Crosses himself before every kick. They do that so God will smile on them. Unbelievers think it's silly. Sure, maybe, but if it works for the believers...
Give an extra prayer to Jesus tonight, Poppy.
Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2024, 09:59:23 PMSomething is wrong with Wheatfall. We didn't throw to him once this game. I'll have to check but he's been invisible.
He's the guy Zach was miffed with on field for running the wrong route.
If Woli's back for WDF, we always have the option of playing Emperor instead of Wheatie.
The wind made the play of the game. How ironic. It resulted in better field position then when we tried the long FG that missed. With swirling wind and rain, it was still not a certainty that we'd be successful.
There is a lot to complain about in this game but we still pulled it out. Our problems are clear but on a given day we can beat anybody.
I'm in shock but I like our odds in the WDF. My preference would be against the Riders because I think VAJ is capable of long quick strikes. Harris is more of a ball control sort of QB.
Weather could be a critical deciding factor but the home field advantage might push us into the Grey Cup.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 10:02:12 PMHe's the guy Zach was miffed with on field for running the wrong route.
If Woli's back for WDF, we always have the option of playing Emperor instead of Wheatie.
I deleted my post about this after checking. He was targeted a couple of times. However yes Collaros ripped a strip off him earlier and he was not effective. At the very least he should be taking DB's deep to open others up.
If Woli is back that would be great but I haven't seen any indication he's practised at all. If he is able to play that would be good for depth at worst and for 2nd down conversions.
We have 2 weeks for him to be ready if he has a chance of returning. I'm not sure if anyone else might be ready by then.
That top's anything I've seen in watching CFL football. Anything. A true miracle. From off the field no less. Stakes so high for two teams. Ecstasy for one. A crushing blow for the other (again). Beautiful.
Stunned. Stunned and happy. I never gave up until we missed the long one. We needed a miracle so big that it came from the heavens. And it happened. Stunned.
Feel so good for Calvillo with what happened last week.
Wheatfall maybe didn't follow the scramble rules. Zach waved at him but he just kind of drifted wider.
Quote from: Waffler on October 26, 2024, 10:12:39 PMStunned. Stunned and happy. I never gave up until we missed the long one. We needed a miracle so big that it came from the heavens. And it happened. Stunned.
Feel so good for Calvillo with what happened last week.
DON'T YOU MEAN CASTILLO?!? :)
The Montreal Miracle! I love that Milt immediately references Riders fans sadness hahahaha
All the negative Nellies don't know what to say. LMAO!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 26, 2024, 10:17:06 PMThe Montreal Miracle! I love that Milt immediately references Riders fans sadness hahahaha
The Second Montreal Miracle Game(TM). Something about MTL and miracles!
Add this one to the famous Bomber lore. Book it Dano. This one is going down in history.
The Second Montreal Miracle Game
or how about
Montreal Miracle Game Redux
Quote from: Horseman on October 26, 2024, 10:16:55 PMDON'T YOU MEAN CASTILLO?!? :)
haha. yeah. Told ya I was stunned.
for me...... this was the best, most entertaining game of the season.
(not that I can remember the others 😂 )
Here's the thing about divine intervention: you may not believe it, but a lot of players do because they are religious. Witness the large circle gatherings after every game, and the many players who cross or signal to God before plays.
Opponent players that are religious will see this and may be disheartened if they think we have the mandate of God. Conversely, our team players that are religious will get energized. Again, you may think it's silly or overblown, but this is real to those players, and belief is 30% of football.
I bet 5-10 more Bombers went to that end of game circle today than usual...
Rider fans would be devastated over this win....winning on the road is never easy....especially in the playoffs
Quote from: dd on October 26, 2024, 10:25:45 PMRider fans would be devastated over this win....winning on the road is never easy....especially in the playoffs
I didn't want to see Mace's face after the game... I wanted to see the crowd!! Maybe the SSK game will show some shots of when they lost. Or maybe not, ... a bit uncouth.
All the cliches come out now!
It's NEVER OVER UNTIL IT'S OVER!
"Music" City miracle!!
Kindly Cal Murphy was smiling down from the heavens on that one...or Cactus Jack Wells! "Have a good good....GOOD HEAVENS!" ;)
Quote from: dd on October 26, 2024, 10:25:45 PMRider fans would be devastated over this win....winning on the road is never easy....especially in the playoffs
I have zero fear of SSK coming into PAS for WDF. Zero. We have their number. And if it's BC, same. This MTL game was the only impediment to the GC.
I won't worry about the GC until the time comes, because THAT game will be VERY hard and today didn't install confidence that our O has figured anything out yet.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 26, 2024, 10:27:00 PMKindly Cal Murphy was smiling down from the heavens on that one...or Cactus Jack Wells! "Have a good good....GOOD HEAVENS!" ;)
Could be! Could be all our dear departed Bombers. Add Roh in there. RIP guys! Maybe lend us a hand in the WDF and GC too?
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 10:18:39 PMAll the negative Nellies don't know what to say. LMAO!
how about the other forum lol.... some of leaders of that group wanted to fire O'Shea 🤡
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 10:18:39 PMAll the negative Nellies don't know what to say. LMAO!
Probably saying that it took a miracle of nature to get the W, and they wouldn't be wrong.
All I know is that was it for me. I will be attending church regularly from now on.
Players are definitely superstitious and belief is a powerful thing....this was nothing short of Devine intervention!!! Going on to win in the playoffs and the Grey Cup was just simply meant to be!!!
Injury front? Looks like we got away with few injuries.
Woods looks unlikely to be useful in post-season.
Pokey got poked in the poker? Hopefully that's only it. He was really in pain so if it's a leg thing it might be bad.
Ford was hobbling a bit after the game, hopefully nothing.
Other than that everything looks ok? That's very good news. Let's see how SSK fares on the injry front. At least they get the benefit of resting 6 starters.
Quote from: blue_or_die on October 26, 2024, 10:35:12 PMProbably saying that it took a miracle of nature to get the W, and they wouldn't be wrong.
I'm totally fine with winning one we maybe shouldn't have! So many games this year the luck went against us, on plays, injuries, etc.
It had to start evening up. Maybe it'll continue. We still are at a deficit on "outside help".
Ford.... almost put it away.
he's our best defensive player. how many passes his way today?
Maas' timeout made that wind gust timing. If Maas doesn't take that time out a minute earlier, assuming you think the wind wouldn't change its timing, then Zema gets a clean punt.
Also critical: Zach's 10Y run to convert on 2nd down a drive earlier. Without that extra few inches, we likely are too far to kick that final FG.
Quote from: markf on October 26, 2024, 10:47:10 PMFord.... almost put it away.
he's our best defensive player. how many passes his way today?
The robbed INT plus that possible late INT would have made Ford the INT league leader, assuming Milligan rests or doesn't get one today.
Quote from: J5V on October 21, 2024, 04:07:22 AMAt this point in the season I think it's safe to assume that what we see this Saturday against Montreal is this season's version of the Bombers going forward. We've had two weeks to prepare and we have lots of film on Montreal. There should be no surprises.
Who Wants it More: I think both teams are going to want to win this game although the Bombers need it to determine their playoff seed and the Als are playing for pride. They are both playing with the desire to end the year on a positive note against a potential Grey Cup contender. The Bombers probably want it/need it, more.
The Threat of Injury: A legitimate concern for both teams as both are playoff bound. The Als *may* want to rest some players but I wouldn't count on it. If the game gets out of hand score wise for one team or the other, then I suspect key performers will find a seat on the bench for both clubs.
O-line Issues: I'm not sure the Bombers have the pieces to solve their leaky O-line issues. For them to be successful is going to depend on how well they can force Montreal to play honest. If they blitz the Bombers have to pick it up and give Zach time to burn Montreal's D. If they can successfully blitz Zach all day without consequence this game is going to be a big problem for this offense.
Montreal has their own O-line issues having lost starting guard Josh Donovan to a knee injury. He was carried off the field by his teammates and had to be carted away. Didn't look good.
Defense: Both defenses are capable of shutting down their opponents. Montreal with their linebackers and their propensity to blitz a lot, the Bombers with what is arguably the best secondary in the league. I'd be surprised if a lot of points were scored in this game.
Offense: Montreal has the edge unless the Bombers find a way to give Zach Collaros the time he needs to be effective. The Bombers like to rush only 3 a lot of the time so I don't see Cody Fajardo being pressured much unless the Bombers can take advantage of the Josh Donovan injury.
Turnovers: The team that makes the fewest mistakes may very well win this game. Turnovers will be a huge factor if one team or the other has ball security issues.
Special Teams: I see this as basically even although Montreal may have the more dangerous return game. Is this a game where Sergio Castillo kicks a 63 yarder to win it?
What to Expect: This could be the game of the year or a complete dud for one team or the other. Both have stumbled of late with Winnipeg losing a nail-biter to the Argos two weeks ago and Montreal getting smoked by BC last game. They both need to find their game to build some momentum going into the playoffs. I suspect that the team that finds their groove first may steamroll the other. It's really a toss-up which makes this game a hard one to predict but I'll give it a try. Bombers win this game late on a long Sergio Castillo field goal, 30-29.
Just saying. :-)
Miller was loving that punt, running down the sideline while it was in flight cheering and pointing. MOS looked pleased too.
Maas looked flabbergasted. Were any headsets harmed?
Look at Castillo's eyes right before his final FG... lovin' it.
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 10:51:50 PMJust saying. :-)
You called it! Pretty close score guess too.
Hope you put $1k on it! I was going to bet big, but got scared by the odds and just put $20 on the win. Oops.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 10:48:37 PMMaas' timeout made that wind gust timing. If Maas doesn't take that time out a minute earlier, assuming you think the wind wouldn't change its timing, then Zema gets a clean punt.
Also critical: Zach's 10Y run to convert on 2nd down a drive earlier. Without that extra few inches, we likely are too far to kick that final FG.
YEAH, what was up with that? Makes NO SENSE AT ALL....you want to kill the clock and you call a timeout? Unless there was too many men on the field or something else weird going on that I misses, WHY WOULD YOU CALL A TIMEOUT in that situation? VERY STRANGE...more heavenly gifts? BIZARRO! ;)
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 26, 2024, 10:58:07 PMYEAH, what was up with that? Makes NO SENSE AT ALL....you want to kill the clock and you call a timeout? Unless there was too many men on the field or something else weird going on that I misses, WHY WOULD YOU CALL A TIMEOUT in that situation? VERY STRANGE...more heavenly gifts? BIZARRO! ;)
He did kill the clock still, because he waited for 1s left on game clock to call his TO. So it didn't hurt his clock bleeding. We've seen some teams do this before, though I'm not really sure why they bother... what do they gain?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 10:54:07 PMYou called it! Pretty close score guess too.
Hope you put $1k on it! I was going to bet big, but got scared by the odds and just put $20 on the win. Oops.
I ALWAYS bet on the Bombers. :-)
My favorite post from the Rider forum ... LMAO!
Section139_guy, Senior Member, #588, Today, 02:59 PM
God hates Sask.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 11:00:59 PMHe did kill the clock still, because he waited for 1s left on game clock to call his TO. So it didn't hurt his clock bleeding. We've seen some teams do this before, though I'm not really sure why they bother... what do they gain?
OK I missed that. IN the end that extra time delay let fate step in with that crazy wind!! So it backfired this time around! :D NO MAAS!! ;)
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 26, 2024, 11:08:13 PMOK I missed that. IN the end that extra time delay let fate step in with that crazy wind!! So it backfired this time around! :D NO MAAS!! ;)
If we get to the GC vs MTL, then mega NO MAAS
NO MAAS!
Another gem ... they're losing their minds over there. Poor Riders ... LMAO!
El Guapo, Senior Member, #599, Today, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by CC Ryder
*** ???
Never seen the likes. A wind gust wins the game.
The football gods hate us that's all lol
When the miraculous wind gust kicked up, I am surprised Montreal didn't call a timeout to let it pass....coulda shoulda didn't
Quote from: dd on October 26, 2024, 11:15:31 PMWhen the miraculous wind gust kicked up, I am surprised Montreal didn't call a timeout to let it pass....coulda shoulda didn't
No TO left, they wasted it a snap or 2 before. Only 1 TO after the 3min.
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 11:07:12 PMMy favorite post from the Rider forum ... LMAO!
Section139_guy, Senior Member, #588, Today, 02:59 PM
God hates Sask.
;)
I'll see you all at church tomorrow.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 11:11:14 PMIf we get to the GC vs MTL, then mega NO MAAS
NO MAAS!
Do the young-ins on here even know where that famous quote comes from?!
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/18/sport/roberto-duran-no-mas-documentary-intl/index.html
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 26, 2024, 11:25:36 PMDo the young-ins on here even know where that famous quote comes from?!
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/18/sport/roberto-duran-no-mas-documentary-intl/index.html
Roberto Duran was something special. So grateful to have been able to follow his career. Ray Leonard didn't inspire me at all.
So in the week before I had wondered if MTL wanted to either get us in the GC or keep us out of the GC. I wondered if they thought they'd have it easier vs maybe BC or SSK.
I think the way they played this game answers that. They went full on with no quit all game. The only thing you can say they did was pull Cody: but frankly Alexander is better anyway.
MTL didn't want to face WPG in the GC. Now let's both get there and we pull off the spectacular revenge win.
Quote from: dd on October 26, 2024, 11:15:31 PMWhen the miraculous wind gust kicked up, I am surprised Montreal didn't call a timeout to let it pass....coulda shoulda didn't
They didn't have a time out. They burnt it the play before for nothing.
Quote from: Mick on October 26, 2024, 11:38:01 PMThey didn't have a time out. They burnt it the play before for nothing.
Or even take a time count penalty.....not thinking quickly enough on the fly! BIZARRO! ;)
Also gotta hand it to MOS, taking the wind in the 4th won it for us. Giving MTL the ball to start both halves was lame, but in the end it didn't matter. We all know MOS likes to defer if there's any wisp of wind. (I was a bit baffled when he didn't defer in the last TOR game.)
Looks like Army Hat is the new lucky hat. He's been rolling with that one for several weeks. I still prefer the ripped hat, but I'll be fine with this one.
Quote from: J5V on October 26, 2024, 11:33:09 PMRoberto Duran was something special. So grateful to have been able to follow his career. Ray Leonard didn't inspire me at all.
I think the Donny Lalonde match with Sugar Ray was a pure staged boxing match. Donny was a more athletic stronger heavier boxer....even thought so that at time time. Seemed rigged to me. I guess he took his million cut guaranteed from Don King and if he parlayed it properly, living the life since then! ;)
One more thing, the wind kept blowing directly behind Castillo for his final kick if you check out the flags. He put that kick basically dead down the center.
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Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 26, 2024, 11:39:53 PMOr even take a time count penalty.....not thinking quickly enough on the fly! BIZARRO! ;)
Unreal.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 26, 2024, 11:39:53 PMOr even take a time count penalty.....not thinking quickly enough on the fly! BIZARRO! ;)
It would have been 10 yds.
Quote from: bomb squad on October 27, 2024, 12:19:41 AMIt would have been 10 yds.
Yeah, but the wind could have slowed down by the time of the next play if they took a time count penalty. Totally speculation, but at that very moment it was BAD NEWS for Montreal. They needed Bob Cameron in there who was the master at kicking into the wind! :)
loved the comment on the other site... WINd bowl? I prefer the Montreal Blow Job"
.This game should forever be known as that!
Quote from: Jesse on October 25, 2024, 04:50:55 PMMore so the implications of the game.
Can we and should we win? Of course. It's likely that Montreal is rotating people in the second half. The result should never be in question.
But the implications if we lose are huge. So, yup; I'm terrified.
Nothing to fear but fear itself
Quote from: jayrock on October 25, 2024, 03:25:48 PMI think he is right to be nervous about this game. If the bombers do not win their path to the grey cup becomes that much harder. They are one point ahead of the Riders, so anything can happen here. Yes win and they are in, but I would be worried, as they are not the dominate team they were in 2019 and 2021 and no longer the "class" or dominate team in the west or league for that matter.
Should they win, yes, but the question is can they and will they.
We are the class of the West. Keep dreaming. Riders are average. Worried when you have the best QB and RB in the land, never. Best coached and most experienced club. Bring it.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 27, 2024, 12:36:54 AMYeah, but the wind could have slowed down by the time of the next play if they took a time count penalty.
Ya, but wind could have stayed for another 60s, then what do you do? What happens if you take another TC? Back another 10? How many times do you repeat that until you give up and then you've given up all that field position!
No one knew at that moment the wind would last only 40s.
Quote from: Blueforlife on October 27, 2024, 12:24:37 AMNothing to fear but fear itself
Everything I was afraid of pretty much happened, unfortunately.
Postgame show from me and Darrin Bauming with special guest Bryson Vesnaver from Pro Football Focus
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xXWz-SxuUjI
And catch us at Bonfire Sports on all your favourite podcast apps
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 26, 2024, 10:27:00 PMAll the cliches come out now!
It's NEVER OVER UNTIL IT'S OVER!
"Music" City miracle!!
Kindly Cal Murphy was smiling down from the heavens on that one...or Cactus Jack Wells! "Have a good good....GOOD HEAVENS!" ;)
Its been many years but I can clearly hear that old curmudgeon Cactus with his sign off after the happy honker award with the words..."And it turned out nice again!!!"
Great memories
Quote from: Pete on October 27, 2024, 12:43:04 AMloved the comment on the other site... WINd bowl? I prefer the Montreal Blow Job"
.This game should forever be known as that!
:D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 26, 2024, 11:21:29 PMNo TO left, they wasted it a snap or 2 before. Only 1 TO after the 3min.
You get 2 TO per half of football, no restriction after 3 min, you can burn both if you want in the last 2 minutes
Great day for Manitoba. Bombers end up in first place in the West. Jets win another one, and are 8-0 to start the season. The Bison's beat UBC 51-38, to end up 7-1 and first in the CW.
Quote from: bludan on October 26, 2024, 09:55:22 PMGod is a a Bomber fan
My reaction was the opposite
Even God hates the Riders
Quote from: dd on October 27, 2024, 02:18:48 AMYou get 2 TO per half of football, no restriction after 3 min, you can burn both if you want in the last 2 minutes
There are 2 timeouts per team for the whole game.
Both Mtl and Wpg had 2 timeouts at the 3 minute warning so they both lost 1.
I'm still in shock. Winning 1st place on the last play of the last game of the regular season. Luck / fate were on our side. It's never over until it's over as they say. Bombers had their fair share of bad luck this season. Serious / numerous injuries and more turnovers than usual. Missed opportunities and points left on the field.
Regardless. We're top dog in the west.
We got lucky, but I'll take it.
Montreal should have run around in the endzone after the missed FG. Taken the ball on the 40. Run 2 sweeps instead of up the gut. Would have burned an extra 10 seconds easy. Even if they have to punt, we're no where near FG range.
Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 02:31:34 PMWe got lucky, but I'll take it.
Montreal should have run around in the endzone after the missed FG. Taken the ball on the 40. Run 2 sweeps instead of up the gut. Would have burned an extra 10 seconds easy. Even if they have to punt, we're no where near FG range.
There is no guarantee that the ball would have bounced into the endzone. If they didn't catch the ball they would have likely have been pinned deap in their own end.
not thrilled with our defensive effort - this business if rushing 3 - then having the LB just stand there AND there still being recievers open drives me bonkers.
Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 02:31:34 PMWe got lucky, but I'll take it.
Montreal should have run around in the endzone after the missed FG. Taken the ball on the 40. Run 2 sweeps instead of up the gut. Would have burned an extra 10 seconds easy. Even if they have to punt, we're no where near FG range.
Which missed FG, the first one? That one actually reached the end-zone, the second one fell short.
Quote from: gobombersgo on October 27, 2024, 03:15:52 PMThere is no guarantee that the ball would have bounced into the endzone. If they didn't catch the ball they would have likely have been pinned deap in their own end.
He caught the ball on the 2 yard line. It would have gone into the endzone for sure.
I am still trying to get over what happened yesterday!
Just an amazing event. >:(
Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 03:47:01 PMHe caught the ball on the 2 yard line. It would have gone into the endzone for sure.
Maybe the right play call in hindsight, problem is nobody thought of it beforehand and you can't play football prepared for the worst case scenario in every situation, the game is already complicated enough. Sometimes **** happens.
The key to it all was insisting on having the wind at our backs in the 4th. Without that decision none of this happens. Whether intellectual brilliance, or a gut feeling, or pure set-in-his-ways stubborness, give O'Shea a pat on the back for that decision. It meant everything and again, without it, none of this happens. Thanks coach!
Bombers Win! (https://x.com/i/status/1850299899595608172)
The punt and winning field goal.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 27, 2024, 03:59:03 PMMaybe the right play call in hindsight, problem is nobody thought of it beforehand and you can't play football prepared for the worst case scenario in every situation, the game is already complicated enough. Sometimes **** happens.
It was the right play in foresight too. Tell your returner to keep it in the endzone to get the 40 yards. That's the coaches job.
Quote from: J5V on October 27, 2024, 04:59:32 PMThe key to it all was insisting on having the wind at our backs in the 4th. Without that decision none of this happens. Whether intellectual brilliance, or a gut feeling, or pure set-in-his-ways stubborness, give O'Shea a pat on the back for that decision. It meant everything and again, without it, none of this happens. Thanks coach!
You call it insisting on having the wind in the 4th. I call it winning the coin toss.
10 minute recap of the game:
D Ford with the classic quote.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 27, 2024, 07:19:36 PMD Ford with the classic quote.
"God is a Bombers fan!" LMAO!
Zach's Arm strength, velocity, accuracy (https://x.com/i/status/1850292184429322639)
Quote from: gobombersgo on October 27, 2024, 06:20:53 AMThere are 2 timeouts per team for the whole game.
Both Mtl and Wpg had 2 timeouts at the 3 minute warning so they both lost 1.
Yes, the key point here is the CFL allows for the use of only 1 timeout per team after teh 3 min warning (3MW) in the 4th Q.
If you have 0 TO going into the 3MW, you stay at 0.
If you have 1 TO going into the 3MW, you stay at 1.
If you have 2 TO going into the 3MW, you magically lose one and are left with 1.
I'm not sure the last time these TO rules changed... but they are different than they used to be, and markedly different from the NFL.
Quote from: gobombersgo on October 27, 2024, 03:15:52 PMThere is no guarantee that the ball would have bounced into the endzone. If they didn't catch the ball they would have likely have been pinned deap in their own end.
Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 03:47:01 PMHe caught the ball on the 2 yard line. It would have gone into the endzone for sure.
TB is right: it would have gone in the EZ. The only reason we ever see balls drop at the 5 and not go in is because
they are punts where the punter is purposely putting backspin on the ball!
In this instance it's a FG attempt, and no such "punter tricks" are being applied to the ball motion. And especially in this case, Castillo is in "maximum distance" mode which is maximum forward-spin.
Quote from: TBURGESS on October 27, 2024, 05:27:43 PMIt was the right play in foresight too. Tell your returner to keep it in the endzone to get the 40 yards. That's the coaches job. You call it insisting on having the wind in the 4th. I call it winning the coin toss.
But almost every team takes the ball almost every game when winning the toss. MOS is unique in that he will take the wind when there's any hint of wind strength, or a forecast of a stronger wind in the 4th.
Other HCs will take the wind sometimes, but only when it's clearly very windy. And even then many still want the ball.
I d take wind over ball any day for the 4th quarter. You can argue you get first possession, but not necessarily 1 more possession than your opponent, but guarantee in the 4th quarter/the longer quarter due to 3 min stop time, the wind is always your friend and trumps first possession everytime.
I'm not sure when the rule changed - back in the 1980s there was no coin toss (except for Grey Cup). The home team always got the opportunity to choose in the first half or defer to the second half. Coach Cal Murphy always deferred if there was a wind because he wanted the wind advantage in the 4th quarter. It was part of home field advantage back then.
Quote from: dd on October 28, 2024, 02:11:43 AMI d take wind over ball any day for the 4th quarter. You can argue you get first possession, but not necessarily 1 more possession than your opponent, but guarantee in the 4th quarter/the longer quarter due to 3 min stop time, the wind is always your friend and trumps first possession everytime.
And yet most HCs choose the ball unless the wind is crazy.
Hey, I agree with you, it's just weird MOS really stands out in this regard.
Was there not a single turnover in this game?
If so, crazy clean ball by both teams. And quite astounding we got many mid and deep shots completed through the invincible Ento/Dequoy corps.
I've said before the way to beat MTL in the deep pass is throw it quick, and throw it deeper than everyone. They always cheat up to INT on the short/mid pass against teams like ours. The only way to get one through is to hit your receiver in stride, just like we did with Demski. (The 50/50 deep shot to Kenny was a risky one.)
Hands down the craziest way to win the division.
So, take the wind for the win...
MOS is right. Always.
After all this Bomber team has been through this year, winning the West is an incredible accomplishment. This team lost players to Free Agency like Grant, Yoshi, and Bailey, then lost players to injury like Streveler, Bighill, Lawler, Shoen, Bryant, Neufeld, Woli, Alexander, Wheatfall and others. The 0-4/2-6 start. It is almost impossible to believe that this team some how, some way, fought and battled it's way to the best West division record at 11-7 and now will host the WF. It is a testament to the leadership within and outside of that Bomber locker room and there is no doubt in my mind that it all starts with Mike O'Shea. This team never once failed to battle in a game and were competitive in them all. This team stuck to it's plan and it's process and is now just 2 wins away from a third championship in five years.
Mike O'Shea will go down as the greatest Bomber coach in our illustrious history and he has earned and deserves our respect. Count this fan as one who is very happy to have witnessed the emergence of Mike O'Shea as the best coach in the CFL.
Lost in all the hoopla:
Zach's 12Y run on the 2nd last drive was probably his best run as a Bomber. He was beating league-top WILL Beverette with his cuts and moves and speed! Probably a good thing Beverette got a piece of his foot to stop it or Sutton may have put some hurt on him.
Zach was looking like VAJ or Rourke or Kelly on that run!! I bet none of us saw that coming.
Where are the post-game pressers on the BB.com site? Nothing there yet... anyone have any links?
When's the coaches show? It wasn't on Monday.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 29, 2024, 07:53:39 AMLost in all the hoopla:
Zach's 12Y run on the 2nd last drive was probably his best run as a Bomber. He was beating league-top WILL Beverette with his cuts and moves and speed! Probably a good thing Beverette got a piece of his foot to stop it or Sutton may have put some hurt on him.
Zach was looking like VAJ or Rourke or Kelly on that run!! I bet none of us saw that coming.
I maintain that an unexpected Collaros run will turn the tide of a tight WF or GC for the Bombers
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 29, 2024, 08:50:56 AMWhere are the post-game pressers on the BB.com site? Nothing there yet... anyone have any links?
When's the coaches show? It wasn't on Monday.
It's tonight (Tuesday) at 7. Jet game pre-empted it yesterday.
MOS in the coaches show Tues hinted that the MTL coaches were the ones that made the decision at the end for that returner not to let it go into the EZ... NOT that it was some rookie IMP mistake like some have postulated. And that seems reasonable, as you'd have to think there was major incompetence all around if they hadn't gotten the let-it-go-in vs take-it-out down pat before the snap.
What if MTL was being swayed by what happened in the EDM game with the rouge to win? If the returner gives up 1, then MTL is ahead only by one. That would, in theory (via the "EDM Method") make it easier for us to tie it on our last 11s drive. Zach would probably need 1 20Y completion first though if they took it at the 40 and punted...
Who knows... maybe!
(Ssssh, no one tell them Shehan can't really boot it like the Big Leg punters can...)
Castillo screwed up on his first 61Y attempt by hoofing it waaaay too high. I think that's why he was so upset: he knows he had a better chance at success. I think he easily clears it if he drove it low as was required for a 60+.
The final 51Y kick had about 10Y extra distance than needed, which would give us precisely 61Y. However, the tail wind did help his final kick, so who knows.
The 61Y wide-left aspect may not have occurred then because it was partially a leftward cross-wind that forced it wide (check out the flags) and the wind is always less of a factor on a low kick.
I think I recall Meddy saying the infamous BC WSF kick was short because he drove it too high. Maybe in pressure situations it's tough to get the trajectory height dialed in.
Duane Forde, WPG@MTL 4Q0:42, 2nd & 8 MTL
"Well, given the finishes that we had last night, in first two games of week 21... I'm waiting to see what the next 42 seconds hold."
Ferguson: "Agreed. Don't go anywhere"
MTL then gets a 1.5Y run, and then the divine punt occurs...
You said it Duane! Never turn off or leave a CFL game.
And I think it was mentioned once when we were all live in the GDT, but I'll say it again: massive credit and kudos to our D for stuffing the 2 MTL runs right before the divine punt (as well as earlier run-mostly series).
Especially Adams and Jones. Adams does an astounding OL block shed and twist to stop STE with Jones' help on 1st down. Then on 2nd, Adams/Schmekel get hands on STE with Jones stopping the momentum. These are massive stops even though MTL is using jumbo sets, trying their hardest to get 1st down to win. Our D could have gone into "get me out of here" coast mode... but they didn't. This is as much a factor in the win as the wind.
Adams has a ton of fire and I really like him. He could be the next Yoshi from a morale standpoint.
Jones is just a beast who is always there stuffing ball carriers.
And props to Shehan for saving the kick with his fast low-snap recovery with a wet ball in the wind. He flubs that and it's over. And Castillo for not getting flustered when the hold wasn't assured. So many times that sequence ends up in a ball retraction and mad scramble.
They. Never. Gave. Up.
2024 Week 21 TV ratings (from Riderfans)
Friday
Hamilton at Ottawa — TSN 356,500
Toronto at Edmonton — TSN 331,900
Saturday
Winnipeg at Montreal — CTV 576,000 and RDS 252,500 (828,500 total)
Calgary at Saskatchewan — TSN 331,900
Total average: 399,075 (French included: 462,200)
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Our game may have been the largest audience in many weeks, or maybe all season? We probably had all of MB, SK and QC watching that one, as well as every chronic CFL fan in every province. I don't think they were disappointed in the suspense/excitement department!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 09:17:24 AMAnd I think it was mentioned once when we were all live in the GDT, but I'll say it again: massive credit and kudos to our D for stuffing the 2 MTL runs right before the divine punt (as well as earlier run-mostly series).
Especially Adams and Jones. Adams does an astounding OL block shed and twist to stop STE with Jones' help on 1st down. Then on 2nd, Adams/Schmekel get hands on STE with Jones stopping the momentum. These are massive stops even though MTL is using jumbo sets, trying their hardest to get 1st down to win. Our D could have gone into "get me out of here" coast mode... but they didn't. This is as much a factor in the win as the wind.
Adams has a ton of fire and I really like him. He could be the next Yoshi from a morale standpoint.
Jones is just a beast who is always there stuffing ball carriers.
And props to Shehan for saving the kick with his fast low-snap recovery with a wet ball in the wind. He flubs that and it's over. And Castillo for not getting flustered when the hold wasn't assured. So many times that sequence ends up in a ball retraction and mad scramble.
They. Never. Gave. Up.
Great points!!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 09:22:53 AM2024 Week 21 TV ratings (from Riderfans)
Friday
Hamilton at Ottawa — TSN 356,500
Toronto at Edmonton — TSN 331,900
Saturday
Winnipeg at Montreal — CTV 576,000 and RDS 252,500 (828,500 total)
Calgary at Saskatchewan — TSN 331,900
Total average: 399,075 (French included: 462,200)
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Our game may have been the largest audience in many weeks, or maybe all season? We probably had all of MB, SK and QC watching that one, as well as every chronic CFL fan in every province. I don't think they were disappointed in the suspense/excitement department!
Finally good CTV numbers although not like it was any higher than a well watched game on TSN.
The RDS numbers don't really matter at all but I guess it's nice to gauge the interest in the province amongst French speakers.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 09:17:24 AMAnd I think it was mentioned once when we were all live in the GDT, but I'll say it again: massive credit and kudos to our D for stuffing the 2 MTL runs right before the divine punt (as well as earlier run-mostly series).
Especially Adams and Jones. Adams does an astounding OL block shed and twist to stop STE with Jones' help on 1st down. Then on 2nd, Adams/Schmekel get hands on STE with Jones stopping the momentum. These are massive stops even though MTL is using jumbo sets, trying their hardest to get 1st down to win. Our D could have gone into "get me out of here" coast mode... but they didn't. This is as much a factor in the win as the wind.
Adams has a ton of fire and I really like him. He could be the next Yoshi from a morale standpoint.
Jones is just a beast who is always there stuffing ball carriers.
And props to Shehan for saving the kick with his fast low-snap recovery with a wet ball in the wind. He flubs that and it's over. And Castillo for not getting flustered when the hold wasn't assured. So many times that sequence ends up in a ball retraction and mad scramble.
They. Never. Gave. Up.
Just rewatched the game last night and saw Younger employ the 3-man front within 5 yards of the endzone, there was a good 2-3 yards between D-linemen, Fletcher had no problem waltzing in untouched.
Also Jake Kelly does not play with near enough aggression closing on the ball carrier and leaves the contact to others, it's as if he doesn't want to win the Safety job next season which is there for the taking, he just has to step up and grab it.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 30, 2024, 02:27:11 PMThe RDS numbers don't really matter at all but I guess it's nice to gauge the interest in the province amongst French speakers.
Why not? We want a measurement of how many Canadian eyeballs are watching CFL. Every eyeball counts, even the French ones. And when ads are sold for the CFL, and TV contracts renewed, all of these numbers help the league get more $. RDS has to pay the CFL too.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 30, 2024, 03:55:22 PMJust rewatched the game last night and saw Younger employ the 3-man front within 5 yards of the endzone, there was a good 2-3 yards between D-linemen, Fletcher had no problem waltzing in untouched.
Ouch. That TD was embarrassing. I guess we were convinced it was going to be a short pass... in the past MTL usually has passed in that situation, like one of their infamous unstoppable hitch screens.
They are not a run-first team.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 30, 2024, 03:55:22 PMAlso Jake Kelly does not play with near enough aggression closing on the ball carrier and leaves the contact to others, it's as if he doesn't want to win the Safety job next season which is there for the taking, he just has to step up and grab it.
Ya, that's not going to cut it when, since the Loffler years, we've demanded that our FS be more of a bruising run-stopper.
That said, I wouldn't mind if we changed tactics to being more of a Dequoy team with a roving pass hawker @FS. But that's not what we are this season, that's for sure. Was there any hint that Kelly was trying to be more like Dequoy? Was he still sneaking up for run-stop or was he fading to support the deep routes?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 30, 2024, 02:27:11 PMFinally good CTV numbers although not like it was any higher than a well watched game on TSN.
The RDS numbers don't really matter at all but I guess it's nice to gauge the interest in the province amongst French speakers.
What do you mean they don't matter?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 30, 2024, 09:48:27 PMOuch. That TD was embarrassing. I guess we were convinced it was going to be a short pass... in the past MTL usually has passed in that situation, like one of their infamous unstoppable hitch screens.
They are not a run-first team.
Ya, that's not going to cut it when, since the Loffler years, we've demanded that our FS be more of a bruising run-stopper.
That said, I wouldn't mind if we changed tactics to being more of a Dequoy team with a roving pass hawker @FS. But that's not what we are this season, that's for sure. Was there any hint that Kelly was trying to be more like Dequoy? Was he still sneaking up for run-stop or was he fading to support the deep routes?
I wasn't even referring to run stopping, with a reconfiguration of the LB group Younger has wisely phased out the Safety's involvement in run stopping, unless the runner is already 20 yds. down field. Kelly lopes up behind receivers that need to be tackled as casually as Cauchy Muamba used to, he should draw a flag for spectating or non-participation in a violent activity.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 30, 2024, 10:00:19 PMI wasn't even referring to run stopping, with a reconfiguration of the LB group Younger has wisely phased out the Safety's involvement in run stopping, unless the runner is already 20 yds. down field.
I think BA37 still sneaks up closer to the LBs on 1st downs against running teams. He's still in a lot of run stops up the gut. No idea if Kelly was following suit or not, wasn't paying enough attention to FS.
I'll take your word for it. But that doesn't mean a shift in strategy necessarily unless you saw the same thing with BA in the situation I mention above.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 30, 2024, 10:00:19 PMKelly lopes up behind receivers that need to be tackled as casually as Cauchy Muamba used to, he should draw a flag for spectating or non-participation in a violent activity.
:D :D :D Straight fire!
We just missed going to the Wpg/Montreal game by 2 days. My wife is from Mount Royal and we drove past McGill. Would have been glorious except for those darn horns.
Those horns should be banned. That insufferable noise is just straight up terrorism.
Quote from: Jesse on October 30, 2024, 09:57:14 PMWhat do you mean they don't matter?
Because ratings exist for advertisers and RDS doesn't matter to almost all of them.
Companies buy usually on 25-54 demographic info and TV advertising is most effective and has the most inventory nationally (so ads that are shown from coast to coast). For nearly all companies that can move the needle for the CFL or Bell/TSN, they run spots across English-speaking Canada. Because RDS is niche to Quebec and requires totally separate creative, whether 95,000 or 175,000 people watch on RDS has no real benefit from a revenue generating point of view or the value of the TSN contract in future negotiations which I would imagine is why most people care. Cool for fans to know people watch on RDS and I'm sure they can charge a small premium for being niche to some businesses (It's not nothing, CFL needs all they can get) but it's not significant. It would be far better if everyone watched on English-speaking TSN from a strictly TV contact/league revenue standpoint. To make it a short answer: TV gets valuable when there's density across the prime buying-aged public across the country.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 30, 2024, 10:00:19 PMI wasn't even referring to run stopping, with a reconfiguration of the LB group Younger has wisely phased out the Safety's involvement in run stopping, unless the runner is already 20 yds. down field. Kelly lopes up behind receivers that need to be tackled as casually as Cauchy Muamba used to, he should draw a flag for spectating or non-participation in a violent activity.
Cmon now, no reason to hammer Kelly like that, Cauchy Muamba!!! Ouch!!