After a week off, the Bombers and anxious and ready to get back to the action and to solidify their hold on first place.
It's also a special occasion for Tony Jones who played for the Edmonton Elks for a little over a season. As with any player who has been released by a team and gets the opportunity play against that team, the next two games have extra motivation for Jones.
Here are his thoughts in E Tait's 48-Hour Primer... (http://"http://www.bluebombers.com/2024/09/19/48-hour-primer-week-16/")
"I'm just really excited to get back there and put my best foot forward," said Jones after Thursday's closed practice. "A lot of those guys, my old teammates, we still stay in touch... actually a couple of guys hit me up and said it's 'The Tony Jones Week' so there's a little rivalry going on. I'm fired up for it and will be fired up for game day.
"I love it here now," he added. "I've said it before, my first year or two in the league I heard about Winnipeg all the time and their brotherhood and the brand that they stand for. And when I got here I felt it and saw everything I had heard about. This is a top-notch spot."
As of Thursday, besides Adam Bighill who will undergo surgery and Chris Steveler - both gone for the season - there are some nagging question marks about WR Drew Wolitarsky and LB Brian Cole, while LT Stanley Bryant, Kyrie Wilson, and WR/KR Lucky Whitehead who are are listed as questionable. Coach O'Shea referred to Bryant and Wilson as 'we'll sees' on Thursday.
Depth Charts should be released tomorrow. Another game with a lot of importance, followed by another game with a lot of importance!
Let's get it on and let's go Bombers!!
I see on the daily IR report that Wilson and Bryant are listed as questionable. Hopefully both can play. Cole is listed as " out " so he needs more time and / or Wilson will be back 1st.
Lineup
In:
#15 Dolegala
#19 Wilson
#25 Chris-Ike
#66 Bryant
#88 Wheatfall
Out:
#17 Streveler
#29 Bridges
#68 Vanterpool
#82 Wolitarsky
#84 Johnson
Wilson back at WIL is going to add speed to controlling the edge on running plays. Jones can monitor the middle and limit the Elks running game. Force the Elks to beat us with the passing game.
Bryant back is going to bolster the OL and keep Collaros from getting hit as often. Should help with our run game as well.
I see a Bomber victory by 10+ points.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 20, 2024, 03:19:21 PMWilson back at WIL is going to add speed to controlling the edge on running plays. Jones can monitor the middle and limit the Elks running game. Force the Elks to beat us with the passing game.
Bryant back is going to bolster the OL and keep Collaros from getting hit as often. Should help with our run game as well.
I see a Bomber victory by 10+ points.
Time to stomp the throat
Pretty healthy and no big holes
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 20, 2024, 02:20:35 PMLineup
I like this lineup. I think we are getting stronger as we get into the final stages of the season.
Quote from: BBRT on September 20, 2024, 03:48:01 PMI like this lineup. I think we are getting stronger as we get into the final stages of the season.
We are building something special again. Sure lots of panic in Bomberland early season. Patience paid off (again).
I like that Jones is in MACK and Wilson is back in his normal spot at WIL.
We really need another healthy Canadian OL. I think that's the only way to get Adams back at the gameday roster. I think the coaches don't want to have 6-OLs only.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 20, 2024, 02:20:35 PMLineup
I'm curious what happens if Demski or Clercius gets injured. Augustine plays receiver? Seems like a bit of a gamble.
The line started at the bombers at -2.5. It's now at Bombers -1.0.
Most of 3 down nation is picking Edmonton...because of Tre Ford.
I would like our Ford to beat his brother.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on September 20, 2024, 04:20:49 PMI like that Jones is in MACK and Wilson is back in his normal spot at WIL.
We really need another healthy Canadian OL. I think that's the only way to get Adams back at the gameday roster. I think the coaches don't want to have 6-OLs only.
Yes, and Jones has 20 lbs. on Wilson, he can take that beating in the middle.
Adams has been productive when he gets to play. Sad to see him sitting out again.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GX7k9QOWgAEQ0An?format=jpg&name=large)
Dave Campbell @Dave_CHED
#Elks lose REC Hergy Mayala (calf) and is placed on the 6-game injured list. Javon Leake (personal) is on the one-game. As expected, QB Tre Ford starts. DE A.C. Leonard who was signed a week ago will play tomorrow.
Quote from: peg_city on September 20, 2024, 04:26:25 PMI'm curious what happens if Demski or Clercius gets injured. Augustine plays receiver? Seems like a bit of a gamble.
Whitehead is the back-up receiver.
Quote from: Jesse on September 20, 2024, 05:07:05 PMWhitehead is the back-up receiver.
Yes but he's been nicked for 2 weeks and didn't practice. Two significant changes with our receivers this week already. We'll see how that goes but it's a bit of a TBD situation.
Quote from: Jesse on September 20, 2024, 05:07:05 PMWhitehead is the back-up receiver.
I guess O'shea will choose offense to switch a Canadian for an American then.
We have to win and stay healthy this game.
Quote from: peg_city on September 20, 2024, 06:13:25 PMI guess O'shea will choose offense to switch a Canadian for an American then.
Yep. You also have Randolph backing up everyone on the offensive line except for Kolankowski so it makes double sense.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GX8DEl2aUAIcer-?format=jpg&name=large)
Future Hall of Fame LT Stanley Bryant returns to Bombers' lineup
By 3Down Staff -September 20, 2024
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers will have one of the best to ever do it back in the lineup when they take on the Edmonton Elks.
Left tackle Stanley Bryant will start this week after missing the past two games due to a medical incident in the first quarter of the team's Week 12 game with Hamilton. The 38-year-old had to be stretchered off the field and taken to hospital, though his collapse was later attributed to a combination of heat and illness.
Bryant is arguably the greatest offensive lineman in CFL history, having won a record four Most Outstanding Offensive Linemen awards. He's also ultra-durable, starting 148 of a possible 153 career games since joining the Blue Bombers as a free agent in 2015. He was a healthy scratch for the three games he missed, all of which came late in the season after Winnipeg had clinched first place in the West Division.
The legend's return will bump Kendall Randolph into a backup role, while Micah Vanterpool has been returned to the practice roster.
Also returning from injury is weak-side linebacker Kyrie Wilson, who last played in Week 7 due to a knee injury. In seven games this year, the 31-year-old has posted 28 defensive tackles and a sack. Defensive back Marquise Bridges has been returned to the practice squad to accommodate the move.
In the receiving corps, Canadian Drew Wolitarsky (ribs) has been added to the six-game injured list and will be replaced by rookie Kevens Clercius. Keric Wheatfall, who had three catches for 111 yards through the first two games of the year, also returns to the starting lineup following the release of Josh Johnson.
Terry Wilson will back up Zach Collaros and recently signed quarterback Jake Dolegala will serve as the third-stringer following the season-ending injury to Chris Streveler. Rookie fullback Michael Chris-Ike will also suit up as backfield depth.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (7-6) will visit the Edmonton Elks (5-8) on Saturday, September 21 at 7:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/20/future-hall-of-fame-lt-stanley-bryant-returns-to-bombers-lineup/
Elks without RB Javon Leake, REC Hergy Mayala for QB Tre Ford's return to starting lineup
By 3Down Staff -September 20, 2024
The Edmonton Elks will be without two critical offensive weapons for Tre Ford's much-anticipated return to the starting lineup on Saturday.
Running back and returner Javon Leake will not be in the lineup as he is back home dealing with a personal matter. The CFL's reigning Most Outstanding Special Team Player has blossomed into an elite rushing threat since taking on an increased offensive role, carrying 80 times for 506 yards and five touchdowns while adding 26 receptions for 191 more yards through the air.
Canadian receiver Hergy Mayala (calf) also won't be available after being placed on the six-game injured list. The 28-year-old was on pace for a career year, notching 41 receptions for 503 yards and five touchdowns in 12 games.
Veteran Kevin Brown and rookie Justin Rankin will continue to split carries in Leake's absence. Gavin Cobb is expected to step into the starting lineup for Mayala, with Frederik Antoine dressing for insurance.
Making his first appearance of the season will be veteran defensive end A.C. Leonard, who was re-signed earlier this week after being allowed to walk in free agency. The 32-year-old had a career-high 12 sacks last year for the Elks.
As expected, dual-threat Canadian Tre Ford will get the start at quarterback after the bye, sending veteran McLeod Bethel-Thompson to the bench despite strong play of late. The former Hec Crighton Trophy winner has completed 35-of-45 passes for 473 yards, five touchdowns and one interception, while rushing 11 times for 79 yards. He went 2-0 as a starter but was forced to exit his second outing in the second quarter after sustaining an injury.
The Edmonton Elks (5-8) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (7-6) on Saturday, September 21 at 7:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/20/elks-without-rb-javon-leake-rec-hergy-mayala-for-qb-tre-fords-return-to-starting-lineup/
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 20, 2024, 05:39:44 PMYes but he's been nicked for 2 weeks and didn't practice. Two significant changes with our receivers this week already. We'll see how that goes but it's a bit of a TBD situation.
They'll just keep plugging Lucky in as a returner till he breaks and can't go anymore. Don't understand why they ignore durability issues he's had his entire career, he's very fast, not strong! Seems like a terrible waste for a receiver who can make an immediate difference when given the opportunity. Don't be surprised if he rides out the season on the 6-game, never to return.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 20, 2024, 03:48:55 PMWe are building something special again. Sure lots of panic in Bomberland early season. Patience paid off (again).
Was WAY TOO MANY CHICKEN LITTLES earlier in the season. I hope everyone knows PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE! ;) In the Manitoba Mafia we trust! :D ;)
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 20, 2024, 09:03:01 PMWas WAY TOO MANY CHICKEN LITTLES earlier in the season. I hope everyone knows PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE! ;) In the Manitoba Mafia we trust! :D ;)
We went 1 - 6. Lost our 2 best receivers including Schoen for the season. IIRC we had 14 players on the 6 game IR. Patience has nothing to do with anything. It's just an excuse when things seem to work out. Things did not look good and we've had some luck after that horrible start.
The odds of things going south were greater than improving to where we are now. Thank the East as well for beating our competition while we got things going our way in the west.
I might point out we haven't won anything yet. We're in a nice place at the moment. Lose to the Elks tomorrow and they are 2 points behind us. A sweep the following week and they pass us in the standings. I don't expect that but football is unpredictable. I didn't expect to lose Streveler or Bighill for the season either.
Have you looked at how close the standings are right now? The Bombers know this as well. Rise to the challenge. We're a better team than the Elks.
Quote from: ModAdmin on September 20, 2024, 03:04:54 PMIn:
Out:
Once again, I go to 8 team website depth chart pages just now, and 7 of the 8 have their charts up on time... only one is missing...
I love the chart that is put up by GBG in the sticky thread (otherwise I wouldn't have one at all!), but it's getting comical we are the only team that continues to not put a chart up on their site until just before (or after!) each game.
Grumble grumble, moan moan
P.S. All we get this week is the stylized social media chart and not the white-background one?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 20, 2024, 09:16:22 PMWe went 1 - 6. Lost our 2 best receivers including Schoen for the season. IIRC we had 14 players on the 6 game IR. Patience has nothing to do with anything. It's just an excuse when things seem to work out. Things did not look good and we've had some luck after that horrible start.
The odds of things going south were greater than improving to where we are now. Thank the East as well for beating our competition while we got things going our way in the west.
I might point out we haven't won anything yet. We're in a nice place at the moment. Lose to the Elks tomorrow and they are 2 points behind us. A sweep the following week and they pass us in the standings. I don't expect that but football is unpredictable. I didn't expect to lose Streveler or Bighill for the season either.
Have you looked at how close the standings are right now? The Bombers know this as well. Rise to the challenge. We're a better team than the Elks.
I call B.S.! You don't know the makeup of this team then and the pride of the veterans on it coming into the season. They would not tank a season despite a slow start. AND THEY WERE NEVER 1-6! That was the 2011 BC LIONS! KNOW YOUR HISTORY DUDE! You are making stuff up so I call B.S.!
I never said we have won anything yet. Where do you see me saying this? Show me a quote!
Odds schmods, like statistics are sometimes for losers. Life is not only about numbers...I guess maybe you are too young too fully understand that yet.
Sorry if I come on strong, but when I see B.S. I will call it. You can't bully me or make things up without a retort from me. Other than that, I wish you a great weekend and GO BLUE! Maybe they tank the rest of the season for all I know because I have no crystal ball which some people seemed to think they had early in the season, but they won't tank from lack of effort as too much pride on this team to throw in the towel when they just climbed out of their hole.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 20, 2024, 07:21:18 PMYep. You also have Randolph backing up everyone on the offensive line except for Kolankowski so it makes double sense.
With Neufeld back I'm pretty sure Neuf gets kicked to OT if Bryant or Lofton go down, and Randolph takes his RG spot. Randolph wasn't great at LT, and remember, he's a rookie... we've placed big asks on him (and he's been pretty good!).
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 20, 2024, 10:53:42 PMI call B.S.! You don't know the makeup of this team then and the pride of the veterans on it coming into the season.
It was possible the crowd (and all media) that said "the whole team is geriatric" were going to (finally) be right... I didn't think so, but I knew it was certainly possible.
My main concern after the 4 losses was new weaker OL (still kind of a thing even now), and losing Schoen/Kenny and starting too many rookie Rs. And the DBs looked weak after losing Houston(FA) / Parker(IR). But OL improved, got Kenny back, Pokey ok enough to numb the Schoen sting, DBs have proved stellar after gelling.
It was ok to be worried. We could be having the "SSK Slump" the last 7 weeks instead of the "WPG Whip Their Tails"!
Looks like 15 at kick off tomorrow. Nice weather for the big boys.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 20, 2024, 10:53:42 PMI call B.S.! You don't know the makeup of this team then and the pride of the veterans on it coming into the season. They would not tank a season despite a slow start. AND THEY WERE NEVER 1-6! That was the 2011 BC LIONS! KNOW YOUR HISTORY DUDE! You are making stuff up so I call B.S.!
I never said we have won anything yet. Where do you see me saying this? Show me a quote!
Odds schmods, like statistics are sometimes for losers. Life is not only about numbers...I guess maybe you are too young too fully understand that yet.
Sorry if I come on strong, but when I see B.S. I will call it. You can't bully me or make things up without a retort from me. Other than that, I wish you a great weekend and GO BLUE! Maybe they tank the rest of the season for all I know because I have no crystal ball which some people seemed to think they had early in the season, but they won't tank from lack of effort as too much pride on this team to throw in the towel when they just climbed out of their hole.
Ok, correction 2 - 6 or whatever it looked like in the early going. It's history now but it wasn't good history which was the point.
I've been watching this team since 1957. I'm 75 years old. I don't have a need to bully you. You're the one calling out others as chicken littles. I've re-watched nearly every same since 1985 and VHS. Some games I've watched 3 times. So I think I have a fair idea of the strength, weaknesses and character of the roster.
I may have made an error in stating the early season win / loss record but that is hardly BS or a made up comment.
You seem to be making things up saying I don't know the make up of the team or that guessing I'm young.
I never said you said we won anything. I spoke to statistical probabilities which is not for losers. It's just math fact. Bombers have a distinct advantage now as the ONLY team that has won more games then they lost in the west. The also have the season series over the Lions, Riders and Stamps. Destiny is in their control.
Interesting saying that they wouldn't tank the season because of a slow start but then say the season might still be tanked. Your crystal ball needs some cleaning.
The one thing you can't control is injuries though and none of us know how that will go. We can't afford too many more. Character doesn't beat injury problems. That did us in in last year's Grey Cup.
I also said never said we'd tank the season or at any part lacked effort. We did lack preparedness in the early going.
There were only a very few really negative posters early in the season that wanted changes and were more gloom and doom than the majority. Others expressed their concerns in good discussion with a lot of valid points and issues.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 20, 2024, 09:03:01 PMWas WAY TOO MANY CHICKEN LITTLES earlier in the season. I hope everyone knows PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE! ;) In the Manitoba Mafia we trust! :D ;)
Feed was on sale at Peavy and people were stock piling lol
Should be some good prices on kijiji now ;)
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 20, 2024, 09:03:01 PMWas WAY TOO MANY CHICKEN LITTLES earlier in the season. I hope everyone knows PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE! ;) In the Manitoba Mafia we trust! :D ;)
Loved what Zach had to say here about how the Bombers stuck to it.
Interview with Zach Collaros (https://twitter.com/i/status/1837284094532542768)
Quote from: J5V on September 21, 2024, 03:05:50 AMLoved what Zach had to say here about how the Bombers stuck to it.
Interview with Zach Collaros (https://twitter.com/i/status/1837284094532542768)
Consistency is all we do. Zach silenced the crictics on this amazing turn around. Nice time to be a Bomber fan. The mini dynasty continues.
So they did push Jones to MLB and Wilson takes his usual spot. This is the answer to the question of whether Mafia thought Jones could play and handle the middle.
If Wilson takes over as "D QB" and has soaked up everything cerebral with 5 season with Biggie, and Jones can be as good at MLB as he was at WILL... then we may have the best combo since maybe 2021.
I'm truly excited for what those 2 can achieve together. This could be the path forward and our version of team 100.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2024, 03:23:44 AMConsistency is all we do. Zach silenced the crictics on this amazing turn around. Nice time to be a Bomber fan. The mini dynasty continues.
We went from the highest scoring offence the last couple of seasons to the lowest scoring offence. Does that sound like consistency to you?
In 2022 Collaros had 37 TD's and 13 int's
In 2023 Collaros had 33 TD's and 15 int's
In 2024 Collaros has 8 TD's and 13 int's so far.
In 2022 - 2023 we lost a total of 7 regular season games.
Collaros has not played well this season. It's not all on him but all this is the opposite of consistency. The 2022 -2023 seasons were examples of consistency. Top scoring and least points given up ( or close to it ).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 21, 2024, 07:29:02 AMSo they did push Jones to MLB and Wilson takes his usual spot. This is the answer to the question of whether Mafia thought Jones could play and handle the middle.
If Wilson takes over as "D QB" and has soaked up everything cerebral with 5 season with Biggie, and Jones can be as good at MLB as he was at WILL... then we may have the best combo since maybe 2021.
I'm truly excited for what those 2 can achieve together. This could be the path forward and our version of team 100.
I don't think that was ever in question. The only reason why Jones wouldn't take over at MLB is because he was already in at WIL. Wilson coming back changed the equation.
Though the timing seems too perfect so I'm pretty anxious to see how Wilson holds up over the game.
I don't expect an Edmonton win. However if they do win, the standings will range from 14 to 12 points, 1st through 4th. The tie breakers are going to be very interesting at the end for several teams.
An Edmonton win would leave no team in the west with a win/loss above 50%. I don't remember when it's been so close with so few wins across the west. Odd to say the least.
Anyway. I predict an Bomber win by 10+ points. Rise to the challenge today.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 21, 2024, 01:13:08 PMWe went from the highest scoring offence the last couple of seasons to the lowest scoring offence. Does that sound like consistency to you?
In 2022 Collaros had 37 TD's and 13 int's
In 2023 Collaros had 33 TD's and 15 int's
In 2024 Collaros has 8 TD's and 13 int's so far.
In 2022 - 2023 we lost a total of 7 regular season games.
Collaros has not played well this season. It's not all on him but all this is the opposite of consistency. The 2022 -2023 seasons were examples of consistency. Top scoring and least points given up ( or close to it ).
There's been a very stark change on both sides of the ball this season.
Our O has to move quicker (a mix of weaker OL and Receiving core), so Zach's getting the ball out quicker which is taking away all the late developing routes and broken plays we used to make hay on. I'm hoping a bit more focus on Brady as the weather turns will give us a little bump here.
Similar to our D, where we're not getting pressure on the opposing QB, so we're depending more on our secondary (which has thankfully worked out much better than our offensive corrections).
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 01:17:02 PMI don't think that was ever in question. The only reason why Jones wouldn't take over at MLB is because he was already in at WIL. Wilson coming back changed the equation.
Though the timing seems too perfect so I'm pretty anxious to see how Wilson holds up over the game.
If we have trouble against the run, we'll have problems. That's our weakness on defence. Getting Wilson back and Jones at MLB ( instead of Gauthier ) should help. That will give us more speed against the run.
I don't think what our game plan defensively will be is clear yet. The Elks have been dangerous running team.
The Elks ran for 300 yards over the 2 games against the Stamps. That was without Ford as the starting QB. At least Leakes is out this week.
I think we can continue to expect those 3 man fronts. Going to need a lot from Jones and Wilson.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 01:21:16 PMThere's been a very stark change on both sides of the ball this season.
Our O has to move quicker (a mix of weaker OL and Receiving core), so Zach's getting the ball out quicker which is taking away all the late developing routes and broken plays we used to make hay on. I'm hoping a bit more focus on Brady as the weather turns will give us a little bump here.
Similar to our D, where we're not getting pressure on the opposing QB, so we're depending more on our secondary (which has thankfully worked out much better than our offensive corrections).
It's been an interesting transition. I agree that we need to control the clock with Oliveria. Jump to an early lead and don't let the Elks linger with hope.
The roster changes for this week should pay dividends I hope. A Bomber win will mean the Lions need to win 2 more games of their last 4 to pass us in the standings. We have the advantage and control over how we finish.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 01:29:15 PMI think we can continue to expect those 3 man fronts. Going to need a lot from Jones and Wilson.
Unlikely to see a lot of three man fronts against Tre Ford.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 01:29:15 PMI think we can continue to expect those 3 man fronts. Going to need a lot from Jones and Wilson.
That's a concern. However I don't think the Elks can beat us by an overwhelming passing game. But if they control the LOS, that could be a problem. A good run game helps win TOP and field position. Wilson / Jones / Kramdi are the key to taking that away.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 21, 2024, 01:34:10 PMUnlikely to see a lot of three man fronts against Tre Ford.
Seems to be the transition our D has made.
People get too caught up in starters. We seem to use all our personnel and multiple formations. But there has been a lot of three man lately.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 01:43:39 PMSeems to be the transition our D has made.
People get too caught up in starters. We seem to use all our personnel and multiple formations. But there has been a lot of three man lately.
We have talent on defence. Now we just have to adapt to a different offence that may be more run heavy with Ford starting. MLB is a pocket passer with a very strong arm and he reads defences well. Keep ford in the pocket and he'll have problems IMO.
Agree. Contain is the name of this game. Contain Ford and make him throw, game over, let him run wild, Edmonton wins.
I think people are underestimating Ford a bit. He has gotten better at using his legs not just to scramble but to extend plays. He's still very young. It will be a challenging game for the D in my opinion, but I think they and Younger will be up to it. We just need to score more points on offense, which has been a challenge this year. Hopefully Bryant back will help with keeping Zach more comfortable in the pocket. And maybe Wheatfall and Wilson step up. Bombers 27-24.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 21, 2024, 01:13:08 PMWe went from the highest scoring offence the last couple of seasons to the lowest scoring offence. Does that sound like consistency to you?
In 2022 Collaros had 37 TD's and 13 int's
In 2023 Collaros had 33 TD's and 15 int's
In 2024 Collaros has 8 TD's and 13 int's so far.
In 2022 - 2023 we lost a total of 7 regular season games.
Collaros has not played well this season. It's not all on him but all this is the opposite of consistency. The 2022 -2023 seasons were examples of consistency. Top scoring and least points given up ( or close to it ).
We all know the drop off this year. Stating the obvious there with the stats. We'll documented.
Imo, Zach has been consistently good to great for us. Rough patch to start and a remarkable recovery and playing much better as of late. Let's save the year by year comparison at the end of the season. However, won't catch his previous pace, that clear. Stats are misleading (sometimes), BO is having one of his biggest years with passing yardage but Hamilton struggled to win early. Looks ok as of late imo.
Patience paid off. The Bomber organization doesn't panic and they stay the course. It's what makes us great. The post you responded to was my take on the interview with Zach on how they stuck to it.
His record as a Bomber win / loss will go down as one of best stretches I can remember. Sounds like you are asking for perfection from Zach which he pretty much was before this season but have to realistic with the changes and injuries we have had. Let's agree to disagree on this one we both have made our points.
Now how he finishes this season will define if he continues to be good / great. I'm betting on good. Biggest thing is to stay healthy on offence. We can't afford even another single injury to any of our starters (tall order, I know).
I don't judge players, coaches, management and teams on rough patches, I take the long view how they do over years of play.
If I had my choice of any QB right now in the league, I would take Zach.
Now he has to go and stomp the Elks to prove me right. Full disclosure, I expect a dog fight and close game. I think we can stomp them at home.
I see Zach playing good today and great next week.
Is today the day we maybe see some of trick play?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 05:40:13 PMIs today the day we maybe see some of trick play?
hope not LOL, those can back fire but yes could be overdue
Quote from: dd on September 21, 2024, 03:10:04 PMAgree. Contain is the name of this game. Contain Ford and make him throw, game over, let him run wild, Edmonton wins.
I would also like to see us get the running game going early. Edmonton has a good front 4 and Morgan might be the best MLB in the CFL. Keep the Edmonton D on the field and off balance.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2024, 04:44:06 PMWe all know the drop off this year. Stating the obvious there with the stats. We'll documented.
Imo, Zach has been consistently good to great for us. Rough patch to start and a remarkable recovery and playing much better as of late. Let's save the year by year comparison at the end of the season. However, won't catch his previous pace, that clear. Stats are misleading (sometimes), BO is having one of his biggest years with passing yardage but Hamilton struggled to win early. Looks ok as of late imo.
Patience paid off. The Bomber organization doesn't panic and they stay the course. It's what makes us great. The post you responded to was my take on the interview with Zach on how they stuck to it.
His record as a Bomber win / loss will go down as one of best stretches I can remember. Sounds like you are asking for perfection from Zach which he pretty much was before this season but have to realistic with the changes and injuries we have had. Let's agree to disagree on this one we both have made our points.
Now how he finishes this season will define if he continues to be good / great. I'm betting on good. Biggest thing is to stay healthy on offence. We can't afford even another single injury to any of our starters (tall order, I know).
I don't judge players, coaches, management and teams on rough patches, I take the long view how they do over years of play.
If I had my choice of any QB right now in the league, I would take Zach.
Now he has to go and stomp the Elks to prove me right. Full disclosure, I expect a dog fight and close game. I think we can stomp them at home.
I see Zach playing good today and great next week.
Nope I've never expected a perfect game from Collaros. OTOH, like many of the posters we've recognized the issues on the roster before and during TC. Injuries compounded that issue.
Playing Johnson for about 12 games was a little like playing with one hand behind his back for Collaros. Clercius was showing well for a rookie. However not having Lawler and Schoen hurt our offence.
Oliveria has been nicked a little more this season and we haven't used the run game as much or as well. Our play calling is vanilla and predictable at times.
You know the definition of " insanity "? Doing the same thing and expecting different results. In your world that's patience. In my world that predictability is an issue.
I laugh when we run our 1st offensive series. Most of the time our 1st play is a run right up the middle. Sometimes it works and other times it puts us in 2nd and long, followed by a sack and a punt.
You like to use the term " patience " and it's over used. Once TC breaks it's not like you can just add players to replace injuries to Lawler or Schoen. Even Oliveria and Bighill missed the 1st game IIRC.
So the question is where do we draw the line to hold the course or adjust in game or game to game. Pierce is somewhat stubborn. Why when we get down to the 20 yard line do we continue to throw a deep strike to the back of the end zone?
That works when you you don't have receivers that defences are not afraid of like Johnson or Clericus to some degree. Clercius is going to be a good receiver but he's still learning. Pierce seems to resist adjusting to things that aren't working. There needs to be quicker adjustments during the game.
Not having veterans practice much in TC or play in pre -season didn't work out well strategically.It back fired but on paper it sounded like a good idea.
The long view has it's merits but so does the term " what have you done for me lately".
You seam to want change. I am ok with ain't broke don't fix it. Your reference to insanity is overstated and off the mark imo.
You can say I used patience pays off saying too much but I have used it pre, during and post mini dynasty with a good track record. The consistency in our approach with management, coaches and personnel is our strength. I will continue to use it.
The long view works when you are good and I'll stick to my guns.
Buck is learning and patience with him will pay dividends. A good coach that will be great. Just like when Hall came to the club. People called for his head and will go down as one of best defense coaches in Bomber history. You are overstating the negative on Buck imo. I like our playing calling mix but yes room for improvement. Our offensive style will be good when weather turns.
Zach did well with the injuries we had. Johnson did what he could while we healed up. Our young receivers will continue to develop and the time they got this year will pay dividends.
I love the run up the gut. You laugh I cheer. The best back in the league, give him the rock and pound the DL. Works more often than not.
What has Zach and the offense done for us lately? Win baby.
Let's leave the argument for today please. It's getting off topic for a GDT. A good debate but for another day.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 21, 2024, 07:32:10 PMYou seam to want change. I am ok with ain't broke don't fix it. Your reference to insanity is overstated and off the mark imo.
You can say I used patience pays off saying too much but I have used it pre, during and post mini dynasty with a good track record. The consistency in our approach with management, coaches and personnel is our strength. I will continue to use it.
The long view works when you are good and I'll stick to my guns.
Buck is learning and patience with him will pay dividends. A good coach that will be great. Just like when Hall came to the club. People called for his head and will go down as one of best defense coaches in Bomber history. You are overstating the negative on Buck imo. I like our playing calling mix but yes room for improvement. Our offensive style will be good when weather turns.
Zach did well with the injuries we had. Johnson did what he could while we healed up. Our young receivers will continue to develop and the time they got this year will pay dividends.
I love the run up the gut. You laugh I cheer. The best back in the league, give him the rock and pound the DL. Works more often than not.
What has Zach and the offense done for us lately? Win baby.
Let's leave the argument for today please. It's getting off topic for a GDT. A good debate but for another day.
We had about 23 players leave from 2023 either in free agency, retired or cut. I want change when a player or process is not doing well.
In the case of Johnson they should have released him after about his 6th game. If his role was to be a good blocker that's something you look for and find during recruitment. Obviously he's still supposed to be a receiver that contributes. He didn't.
Players like Rambo and Bridges contributed right off the bat. Mind you they are not the 4th or 5th read, but this is not rocket science. It's pretty simple, can you block and can you contribute yardage.
The run up the gut is fine when it works. When it isn't working and your receivers are not getting open, then there is a big drop off in production. 2nd and long leads to sacks and turnovers for any team. Just re-watch any of our losses. Even some of our wins were like that.
QB's take to much heat when things are not going well and vice versa. I'd say he did fairly well considering the turnstile at receiver. However, I think that has gotten in his head to some degree.
At the moment he may still surpass his 2023 yardage total if he stays healthy. TD's not so much.
Who is our short yardage Qb? Wilson?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 09:06:27 PMWho is our short yardage Qb? Wilson?
For this game, yes.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 09:06:27 PMWho is our short yardage Qb? Wilson?
He has the athleticism to be able to handle that role and he knows the play book. That said he's a little light on experience and that may be an issue in the early going.
A don't know whether he'll be supplanted at the # 2 and short yardage once Dolegala or any of the other QB's learns the play book. That might push him back to # 3.
We don't really know how well he'd do if he had to play significant reps. IIRC he has a strong arm and was fairly accurate in pre season. I'd rather not see him pressed into a bigger role this season. That would mean Collaros was injured and that wouldn't be good.
Breaking:
LB Kyrie Wilson has been ruled OUT for tonight's game. Bombers will be re-issuing a new depth chart shortly.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 10:22:21 PMBreaking:
LB Kyrie Wilson has been ruled OUT for tonight's game. Bombers will be re-issuing a new depth chart shortly.
Devastating.
Though exactly what I was worried about. Best that whatever setback happened occurred before the game.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 10:25:12 PMDevastating.
Though exactly what I was worried about. Best that whatever setback happened occurred before the game.
Yah - stinks
Ayers / jones / Kramdi
Kyrie moved to 6 game
So the Bombers is playing short of one player. They could have activate Adams. :-\
Good LB, just can't stay healthy.
2021: 7 games
2022: 4 games
2023: 10 games
2024: 7 games.
Well that's not good. Did they bring Adams to Edmonton and are they able to activate him or another import like Bridges, Case etc etc?
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 01:29:15 PMI think we can continue to expect those 3 man fronts. Going to need a lot from Jones and Wilson.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 21, 2024, 01:34:10 PMUnlikely to see a lot of three man fronts against Tre Ford.
I bet it's all 4-man rush and more blitzes than we've seen all season. But not pass-rush blitz, run blitz! All gaps negated. Seal the edge. Game over.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 10:22:21 PMLB Kyrie Wilson has been ruled OUT for tonight's game. Bombers will be re-issuing a new depth chart shortly.
Whaaaaaaaat? Is there an undressed guy they flew out, or was it only AR guys?
This is disaster. No one had any inkling of this? Could be the end of Kyrie.
So much for our team 100.
That's a good start. Start hot to set the tone.
Well that was dumb Randolph
Love the draw play !!
There's the delayed draw I've been asking for all season! Show them we can run on 2nd & long too.
Run up the gut all day baby
Kenny...that hurts
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 11:13:06 PMKenny...that hurts
Let's hope it works like when AH33 screwed up early: he'd go into beast mode the rest of the game.
Decent drive on the road..one lack of focus penalty and a ball that should have been caught
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 11:15:43 PMDecent drive on the road..one lack of focus penalty and a ball that should have been caught
That's true. Many first downs to start the game. Can't really complain.
He was shorter than that. Bad spot for us.
I call BS on that one
Run D gotta step up
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 11:19:31 PMRun D gotta step up
Run D doing pretty good so far. On the 10Y run Brown had to struggle for every yard. We are being gap sound.
Gauthier beast against the run
Nichols is soooo good - he tracked him down
#1d
That's how you dishearten EDM early. Too bad it wasn't Ford on Ford. ;D ;D
We're ready for contain today! Did you see that spy come up when he was taking off?
Zach had time on that down. Guess nobody open
O line looks really in sync
Wheatfall > Johnson on that play alone
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 11:25:32 PMWheatfall > Johnson on that play alone
Yes, that was a tough catch.
Too many field goals again
Doink. It had the distance, but a little right.
Dang doink
That hurts bad doink
Good thing we don't pay Castillo by the kick.
Quote from: markf on September 21, 2024, 11:27:55 PMToo many field goals again
Or not...
I think FGs will probably be enough today. I see our D destroying Ford. Is MBT dressed or just on the roster for show?
Ford too quick for Willie...
Ford isn't the answer (yet)
2 & out. That's the way we do it. EDM already realizing their run-mostly game is not going to work against our D.
Whitehead looks ok
Come on TSN - show the game
I like the run on 2nd & medium, even though it didn't work. We don't run enough on 2nd.
Love tony jones energy
Wow. That INT catch was insane. Thought for sure it was going to hit the turf.
No panic in Bomber land
Patience paid off
Great point by announcers
#1d
Hall is boss
Younger has the hunger
Tony baby!
No team lets Zach roll right. Every team now has a edge contain spy that doesn't pass rush Zach. Every team, every down.
There has to be a counter where we can take advantage...
No problem, it's about the same as a punt.
That's a bad throw - plain and simple
Underthrown. Zach!!
Bad throw, Kenny needed to play DB there
DBs always play the under on Zach because he underthrows so often. We need to have Zach put more juice and air on every deep shot and we'll catch them over the top.
Hmm, that was kinda bad when the whole world knew it was a run with 2 to go.
Alexander is not what he used to be.
Get Krammed! D!
Brandon A struggles to tackle on that one. Actually bounces off the RB
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 11:43:40 PMBrandon A struggles to tackle on that one. Actually bounces off the RB
BA37 is more about the hit these days, less about the wrap-up
Kramdi was a missile
Should have let it roll out. Big mistake. Now we start at the 3 or so.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 21, 2024, 11:44:11 PMBA37 is more about the hit these days, less about the wrap-up
He has to get close to someone to hit them.
EDM D is pretty weak, we need to start clobbering them when we have the ball.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 21, 2024, 11:44:49 PMShould have let it roll out. Big mistake. Now we start at the 3 or so.
Agreed
Zach has more time than he thinks. He needs to settle down.
So far our D is doing excellent, our O is letting us down after those first 2 drives. O needs to step up. It's only EDM!! They aren't D giants. C'mon O.
Might have to do less 1st down runs. Why not do some sweeps?
Call tandem blocking for once!!
Jeez lots of EDM OL cruisin' going on.
So who is EDM K this week?
HAHA Whoever their K is, they don't trust him!
Hey did anyone else watching know that Tyrell Ford is playing his brother Tre in this game?
They have the same parents!
Wow. Surprised they went for it.
Willie slowing down they say
#1d
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 11:55:03 PMWow. Surprised they went for it.
I'm not. Many weak teams with poor Ks will do that.
However, it cost them ~40Y of field position.
Guess we won't know anything about that penalty on Edmonton
I guess we're sticking to the 1st down run. Glad they got more yards that time.
Wheatfall is looking as good as Pokey already!
Stupid command center changing the play without a challenge!
I don't think that's clear & obvious in realtime speed!!
Too many punts.
Hard to tell on tv but our receivers just be covered
Elks offensive line has really taken over.
Well the offence still is struggling - there is no flipping the switch I guess. This is what it is and it's kinda frustrating
Nobody is getting points on turnovers
Nice hold on our 49 hahaha. Ripped off on that one.
Need to keep stuffing the 1st down run.
Call tandem blocking!!! It is illegal for the hoggies to directly push or pull the ball carrier.
Ford got smoked
That was a very weak RTP. But the helmet did hit.
Not sure what Fatboi was thinking. Probably getting miffed after all that holding.
Need to be better... that was an off-the-field penalty. May cost us a TD.
Weak
Weak
Weak
Our O needs a long drive after this one by EDM
That RTP was no less and no more B.S.
Should have been holding on Edmonton.
W.A.B.U.C.
Did Ford actually just complete a pass?
Man that spot earlier and now that RTP call; what garbage but our offense needs to play better we should be way up right now not only with a three point lead.
Whole team needs to play better. This will be one of the easier games of the remaining bunch.
Ford clearly is a bad QB. Shut down the run and the rest will take care of itself. Those 2 RBs are running hard, covered in oil.
Weak call on Jake, but the ball was gone. the league needs to protect quarterbacks.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 12:09:52 AMWhole team needs to play better. This will be one of the easier games of the remaining bunch.
Ford clearly is a bad QB. Shut down the run and the rest will take care of itself. Those 2 RBs are running hard, covered in oil.
He isn't bad he is learning. Overstated on negative.
TONY JONES!!!
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 12:11:17 AMHe isn't bad he is learning. Overstated on negative.
He's bad right now, that's all that matters. We should be capitalizing on all these EDM O blunders.
Told you we needed some sweeps!
Let's go O!
#1d nuff said
Huge hit Haba daba do
It's sad those low-paid EDM RBs get longer runs than Brady. I think that's mostly an OL thing.
Another stalled drive. Zach throwing a bit too low a few times.
This is getting frustrating. Our O should be killing their D. I expect more in the 2nd H.
Lawler is being paid way to much for his performance in this game.
Three guys on lawler... force it to him....
Somebody else was open.
Does Edmonton have an incredible secondary ?
Our offence stinks.
Excellent punt
Pokey and Wheatfall are playing great. Give them the ball more. And have Clercius sneak out from some fake TE blocks once in a while. No one will follow him.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:14:51 AMDoes Edmonton have an incredible secondary ?
Our offence stinks.
Good front 7
Back end is young
Our offense doesn't stink, just a good battle on D
We're doing the soft zone thing. Prevent D to end the half. Great job Willie J
Ford doing his thing
Has there been another game 3-0 this season at the half?
Griffin coming on, will be good next year
Good road game. We got this.
I hope Buck and Zach have a serious discussion at the half. This was a disgusting display of ineptitude. EDM D is a lower-half D in the league. We are basically as healthy as we'll ever be on O this season.
Make something happen!
Being positive is good, but.
If we had even an average offence, this game would be over at half time.
If we could see the whole field we would know more.
Bad: Run D, Zach's Int, Castillo FG, Lawler drop.
Good: Tony Jones.
Ugly: Thomas penalty
I think that was a very very long kick for castillo; I wouldn't consider it bad.
Quote from: markf on September 22, 2024, 12:19:26 AMIf we had even an average offence, this game would be over at half time.
2 Kenny drops killed drives.
Robbed on a called-completion on Pokey by auto-review which is rarely used in this case in this point in the game. It might not even be allowed by rule (I'll check later). Should have got the snap off sooner. Just audible a Brady gut run and snap it. Auto-review cannot stop a snapped play.
Many 1st down Bradys only getting us 3Y, good ones 5Y. Not enough to waste a down. Don't start every 1st down running. EDM is run-stuffing, use that against them.
Don't like our chances in the second half.
That pokey pass looked like it bounced off the ground techno...
But yes get it to the other guys,
Zach , maybe not seeing the field very well.
Quote from: markf on September 22, 2024, 12:24:34 AMThat pokey pass looked like it bounced off the ground techno...
Not disputing. But the "new command" rules put near ultimate stock in what the on-field refs call. And they called completion, no dissent on the field. EITS overturned it. There are rules governing when they can do that and for what type of play.
In the last 3 mins this is normal, in the middle of the game, not so much.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:24:20 AMDon't like our chances in the second half.
I do, because now it's up to the braintrusts. And I think our braintrust has more brains and experience than theirs.
The D will hold their own. We need the O to wake up and shake off the dust.
Hey, aren't we off the bye? Don't we basically always win off the bye? This is the best game plan our O came up with? Did we not take EDM seriously?
I Hope they don't put McLeod in.
I want to see Brady start running like Armstead is on those highlights, and like Brown & Raskin are. Where is that fire?
The guy who "reset the salary limit for RBs" is getting overshadowed by ELCs and low-paid 2-3 yearers.
Quote from: markf on September 22, 2024, 12:29:38 AMI Hope they don't put McLeod in.
Isn't he out because of injury? Just dressed for show? He's got the uni on but no helmet nearby? Anyone know the story?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 12:28:07 AMI do, because now it's up to the braintrusts. And I think our braintrust has more brains and experience than theirs.
The D will hold their own. We need the O to wake up and shake off the dust.
Hey, aren't we off the bye? Don't we basically always win off the bye? This is the best game plan our O came up with? Did we not take EDM seriously?
Edmonton is also off a bye. The offense is severely limited mostly because we're not winning along the offensive line and the defense isn't going to get four turnovers in the second half. We'll probably see McLeod at some point.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 12:31:10 AMIsn't he out because of injury? Just dressed for show? He's got the uni on but no helmet nearby? Anyone know the story?
Nicked last game. #2 depth chart assuming.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:32:56 AMObviously.
There is no need for that. Your post doesn't contribute to the discussion.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:32:39 AMEdmonton is also off a bye. The offense is severely limited mostly because we're not winning along the offensive line
I'd say on passing the OL is doing great. Zach easily has another 1 sec than he's taking. On rushing, ya, our OL is letting us down.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:32:39 AMand the defense isn't going to get four turnovers in the second half. We'll probably see McLeod at some point.
Are you sure??? Would you bet money on it? ;) ;) ;)
Four tournivers with no points to show for them. We ain't winning this game.
If we can get a 13 point lead in the 3rd I think we can win.
Did we lose the toss, so EDM gets the wind in 4th? We took both KO's?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:32:39 AMEdmonton is also off a bye. The offense is severely limited mostly because we're not winning along the offensive line and the defense isn't going to get four turnovers in the second half. We'll probably see McLeod at some point.
Overstating the negative about our OL. Their OL is playing good but not taking over like you suggested.
Told ya they'll forget Emperor Clercius. More of that please.
Pokey leg/ankle dinged on that play.
That's more of what we need from Brady runs and the OL. Get some fire going!!
That's what we do!!!!!!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 12:38:26 AMThat's more of what we need from Brady runs and the OL. Get some fire going!!
Bully ball starts now
OL rolling!
OL not playing well? Hmmmm
BRADY
Running through the tackles like a beast
All day run up the gut
Zach has never been the prettiest slider.
Awkward slide
Fade to the corner ??
Go POOOOOOOOKEY!
I loved the design of that play with a lead blocker for Pokey.
I'm not sure I've ever seen that on a mid-pass play! 2 guys in the same place and no Ds in sight? That is extremely strange.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:41:08 AMFade to the corner ??
Thank goodness they didn't throw it
Zach money
Zach as consistent as they come
Needed those points! Apparently the wind is big enough that Edmonton would give us an extra possession?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:41:08 AMFade to the corner ??
That's what EDM thought! Probably why the middle flat was devoid of D.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:42:51 AMNeeded those points! Apparently the wind is big enough that Edmonton would give us an extra possession?
Interesting to see if dies down
That wind is worth an extra 15 on that KO... that's a semi-strong wind. Need to rack up the points in the 3rd.
Nice play call Edm
We will see if Edmonton offense made adjustments
They are softening us up for the run. Don't fall for it. Have the DEs rush up in contain, not pass rush.
I'm fine giving Ford the wide out all night. He'll screw it up or the pass rush will get there.
Thomas beast
Still got it
Well that was embarrassing. A Hail Mary and our 2 DBs can't steal it?
Our pass rush was tenths of a sec away from ruining that play for Ford.
BA is a liability
Nice play almost got to Ford
*** Alexander
Embarrassing
Amateur hour
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:49:12 AMBA is a liability
Overstated on the negative
Easy to kick when down
A good vet and starter near the end of his career
If he was a liability he wouldn't be starting
They did make us look bad
That's on Ford not BA, that's his man, let him go
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:49:12 AMBA is a liability
Hasn't been great all year but definitely getting worse as the season goes on.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 12:50:26 AMOverstated on the negative
Easy to kick when down
I'd like to see your 2024 Brandon Alexander highlight reel.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:50:30 AMHasn't been great all year but definitely getting worse as the season goes on.
Well, if Gino hadn't recovered and found that ball, BA37 would have had the guarenteed INT.
At least BA37 was in on the play. Often he's absent where a FS should be.
But the sad truth so far is Gino > Kenny.
Kenny needs to set that right.
EDM starting to meltdown? Good!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 12:51:28 AMI'd like to see your 2024 Brandon Alexander highlight reel.
Never suggested he was having a highlight reel season. Read my post again. Quote the entire thing rather than trying to take what I said out of context. I would like to see you focus on the Bombers, not me.
Good thing Ayer's didn't get tossed
That Zach toss wasn't a frozen rope that is for sure
Bully ball is back
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:56:07 AMGood thing Ayer's didn't get tossed
That Zach toss wasn't a frozen rope that is for sure
Ayers didn't throw a punch that I saw. But now he needs to stay 100% clean. I hope the coaches are reminding him of this.
Whitehead looks fine
Why is whitehead in now? Did we take an injury during that scuffle?
Quote from: Tehedra on September 22, 2024, 12:57:37 AMWhy is whitehead in now? Did we take an injury during that scuffle?
Good point
Zach had a guy in the middle WIDE open
Buck's beat so many Shivers Ds over the years... you'd think we'd just win this from muscle memory.
Once again Zach had 1-2 more secs he could have taken there.
Bad doink lol
That looks like a spear with a helmet to the knees on clercius...
Quote from: Tehedra on September 22, 2024, 12:57:37 AMWhy is whitehead in now? Did we take an injury during that scuffle?
Just mixing it up so we have the sweep/hitch option.
Castillo having a bad night
Quote from: Tehedra on September 22, 2024, 12:59:07 AMThat looks like a spear with a helmet to the knees on clercius...
Was he hurt?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:59:19 AMCastillo having a bad night
No he isn't most kickers wouldn't even try these
Bad luck, not bad game
Overstated on negative
Should be 2/3 yes
Remember it's windy (could adjust ball in the air)
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:59:19 AMCastillo having a bad night
His balls are making weird moves at the last second. I don't see the flags doing that. Balls are doing weird things this year for many kickers. I've never seen balls waver around so much.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 12:58:31 AMZach had a guy in the middle WIDE open
Too bad TSN wouldn't show that stuff
That run was shameful. Why are we not run blitz on 1st down?
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:00:05 AMNo he isn't most kickers wouldn't even try these
Bad luck, not bad game
Overstated on negative
Should be 2/3 yes
Remember it's windy
I am sure if you asked him he would say it was a bad night - not overstated at all.
I honestly wish Dustin Nielson would pronounce Zach Collaros properly. And what's up with Sergio and that goal post.
3 missed tackles ugly
Tyrell ford missed a tackle on that long run
That is game... our team just aint playing on defense anymore... and our offense didn't play all day. Such a joke with how much we spend on our offense. We have no answer for this run game all game long
Quote from: barbk on September 22, 2024, 01:01:59 AMI honestly wish Dustin Nielson would pronounce Zach Collaros properly. And what's up with Sergio and that goal post.
Crazy same kick pretty much
He Will straighten out
Run D is not a #1 D
Quote from: Tehedra on September 22, 2024, 01:02:31 AMThat is game... our team just aint playing on defense anymore... and our offense didn't play all day. Such a joke with how much we spend on our offense. We have no answer for this run game all game long
Wow, that's a bit premature. I say we got this.
Quote from: Tehedra on September 22, 2024, 01:02:31 AMThat is game... our team just aint playing on defense anymore... and our offense didn't play all day. Such a joke with how much we spend on our offense. We have no answer for this run game all game long
I have seen a team score 21 in 2 mins. If this is game then I don't know what sport I'm watching. Lol
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:03:17 AMRun D is not a #1 D
Nope, a key weakness
Wilson was needed :(
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:03:17 AMRun D is not a #1 D
We played wide and only brought 4, Younger brain toot. Dumb play call. Players can only play to the scheme.
I mean more like they've obviously made adjustments that are playing better than our team. Two drives in a row they man handled the team and scored 10 points. I am not confident in us making adjustments to prevent a third drive to make it 13 or 17.
What's sad and bad and pathetic is our passing yards is equal to EDM into the 4th. We should be double Ford's passing yardage.
Whoever can run the ball better in the 4th wins.
Quote from: Tehedra on September 22, 2024, 01:05:43 AMI mean more like they've obviously made adjustments that are playing better than our team.
And our first drive after halftime was a straight romp for a TD.
Did Edmonton set off an in-between quarter fireworks show?!
Not even close Zach
Nice try on deep ball
Zach zippy
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:07:14 AMNot even close Zach
Overstated on negative those usually 50/50
Slightly over thrown into the wind
I like how no teams respect Zach runs. Leaves it wide open, when he can sneak out.
Emperor Clercius again!
Quote from: barbk on September 22, 2024, 01:01:59 AMI honestly wish Dustin Nielson would pronounce Zach Collaros properly.
He is, actually.
Buck is overthinking again
They read our freaking mail
Well, Zach will be out now. Now we're in trouble.
Edm almost tackled own player
Put the short yardage team in and run the ball
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:09:28 AMWell, Zach will be out now. Now we're in trouble.
Are you sure, got smoked but he will be ok?
Will they pull him to check his health?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:10:39 AMPut the short yardage team in and run the ball
Terrible idea, they would have know ever more what we were doing
Should have given to Brady.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:10:46 AMAre you sure, got smoked but he will be ok?
Will they pull him to check his health?
He fell down with the back of his helmet hitting the turf and did the blinking thing. That's usually when we pull him.
We'll see if we think this game critical enough to keep him in or we all better pray Wilson can be good.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:08:06 AMOverstated on negative those usually 50/50
Slightly over thrown into the wind
People are allowed to be critical.
Our offence can't stop the run - we had them pinned deep
Ayers!!!!!!!!!
Eat that Ford.
#1D
Did someone say it was game over?
Edmonton should have run it again with Brown this time.
That was holding on that run.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:12:51 AMOur offence can't stop the run - we had them pinned deep
We can't stop the edge run. We are great with the A&B gaps. So EDM will just keep running it on the edge, and that's also where they target their RPO passes.
Ayer's!!!
Making a case to be Bighills replacement next year.
So refreshing to have younger athletic linebackers again.
Might not have the experience but two picks purely on athleticism tonight.
Good Int. We need to capitalize.
Quote from: 55StickCar on September 22, 2024, 01:14:06 AMThat was holding on that run.
They've been mega holding on every run, and pass, and... League isn't calling holding this year unless it's insane.
Quote from: Jesse on September 22, 2024, 01:12:49 AMPeople are allowed to be critical.
And I am allowed to respond to ones opinion, within the rules of the forum.
This place exists so both sides of the story can be told.
I seen a decent deep ball into the wind. Someone thought the opposite. Truth in the middle.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:12:31 AMHe fell down with the back of his helmet hitting the turf and did the blinking thing. That's usually when we pull him.
We'll see if we think this game critical enough to keep him in or we all better pray Wilson can be good.
Wrong again techno he's back out there
Man I wanted Brady to go all the way for his TD
That's why you run the ball
There we go Brady! Give EDM a taste of their own medicine. Don't take no for an answer.
Finally a TD for the bombers best player
Brady first TD of the year! He did it! Not an easy one... lots of tough YAHO
Brady deserves that one. Team is fired up. Big turnover.
MBT coming in to save the day
Bombers oline dominating. Brady one of best Bomber backs ever.
MBT coming in.
Not happy MBT is coming in to be honest. He can toss the ball.
Bring the heat on him right away
Knew we'd see McLeod. Time to go back to dropping 9.
Quote from: barbk on September 22, 2024, 01:15:46 AMMan I wanted Brady to go all the way for his TD
Nice celebration BO, and many more TD's
Quote from: bluengold204 on September 22, 2024, 01:17:34 AMMBT coming in to save the day
Duck hunt coming up.
Full disclosure this gives them a chance. Need a balanced attack.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:18:07 AMNot happy MBT is coming in to be honest. He can toss the ball.
Bring the heat on him right away
Agree all but the heat
I would go max protect and occasionally blitz
MBT waaaaay harder to beat than Ford. We need bad-MBT to show up.
What was MBT's injury? Is he limited in mobility today?
That's a loose bench and great team culture
Chicken dance lol
I think benching ford is the right call for Edmonton
I guess TSN won't use Normie's nickname anymore hey?
I like how BA is staying deep most of the game.
Hey -- Alexander in exactly the right position there!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 01:20:29 AMI guess TSN won't use Normie's nickname anymore hey?
I'm not old enough... what was his nickname?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:20:06 AMMBT waaaaay harder to beat than Ford. We need bad-MBT to show up.
What was MBT's injury? Is he limited in mobility today?
Air ball
Bad MBT
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:19:37 AMAgree all but the heat
I would go max protect and occasionally blitz
I want to hit him early - no time to get in a rhythm
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:21:55 AMI want to hit him early - no time to get in a rhythm
Might be right
Rattle his cage
Good debate
They just took Kenny out
Time to get into rough mode.
They stopped allowing that when Loffler was still in blue & gold.
Lofton clearly holding - I will take it
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:24:35 AMLofton clearly holding - I will take it
No one cares about holding anymore. You see maybe 1 holding call every 3 weeks. Contrast to previous years where there was at least 1 holding a game.
Told you they are taking Kenny out. Trade a 15Y UR for taking out the biggest star $$ player of the game when we have almost no backups.
EDM knows it. That's the way they want it to be. Time to pay them back.
They are also eyeing the rematch next week. They know they have a better chance if they take Kenny out.
I want our D to switch into rough mode. No more nice guy. I hope they are planning it as we speak.
Wheatfall magic
Wheatfall has made an impact.
Good throw
I like how #88 had both hands tightly around that ball after he caught it.
Critical TD here
Brady O
Best bomber!!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 22, 2024, 01:27:23 AMWheatfall has made an impact.
I'll eat a wee bit of bird, I said would take him a few games.
Run it!!!
...edit
Should have run it!
Bombers oline has taken over. Game over with pts.
Tic toc time don't stop
Wow. Should have run the ball. That is a huge coaching error
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:29:48 AMBombers oline has taken over. Game over with pts.
Tic toc time don't stop
Not sure if they've taken over but I have to say they've done enough.
I also gotta say, Edmonton didn't bully ball us as much as I thought.
Things are looking good and I'm happy to be wrong!
Have they put the chips back in Castillo's balls? Someone should run an electronics scanner over our balls.
Close call lol
Holy
That was too close
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:32:50 AMHave they put the chips back in Castillo's balls? Someone should run an electronics scanner over our balls.
They put in two chips and they are magnetic to right post lol
Now D needs to slow them down. Stop those big runs and the MBT deep ball.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 01:30:52 AMWow. Should have run the ball. That is a huge coaching error
Moderate mistake
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:33:46 AMThey put in two chips and they are magnetic to right post lol
Like rigged pinball games
Hall prevent D please
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:34:44 AMHall prevent D please
Nope, we need our normal D, maybe soft, but normal.
Bad MBT isn't warmed up yet
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:34:33 AMLike rigged pinball games
Maybe it's a pinball in there lol
3 down ball?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:35:12 AMNope, we need our normal D, maybe soft, but normal.
Bad MBT isn't warmed up yet
Younger prevent D you right
The best player in the game is Tony JONES... very impressive game playing MLB
game over
Game
Game over
Zach proves why he is great, Mr. consistency
Our D is awesome (need to fix run D)
Play calling good
Great time to be a Bomber fan
Linebackers mint
We should be playing for points
Bully ball
This game was lower scoring than I thought would be. But I knew it would be tight.
Haha, homer timer didn't start the clock LOL
Now just don't give up the OSK like we did in the BB, LOL
We are smoking Edm next week
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:40:02 AMWe are smoking Edm next week
You bet!
Hahahah, DPI to ruin their comeback chance! Didn't need to do that, he wasn't going to catch it.
Hahhaha that's a hilarious DPI
Nice Brady will get another TD
Only play them twice. Points will matter.
Good for Brady!!! My son, who has Brady in fantasy, is lovin' it.
The Bombers show why they are great. Forum sure got worried there. My user name says it all.
I like how #88 had both hands tightly around that ball after he caught it.
I went 0-4 this week but WFC won. So no big deal.
Quote from: 55StickCar on September 22, 2024, 01:44:21 AMI went 0-4 this week but WFC won. So no big deal.
I picked Ottawa, otherwise would have been 4 for 4.
Why I picked Ottawa I can't say lol
The funny thing is, this wasn't a slam dunk even going into the 4th. I think if EDM had stuck with their game plan and done run-mostly and RPO (either with MBT or Ford), they would have had a better shot.
We didn't have very good answers for the edge runs. Strangely, Rankin was much better than Brown. He has much more power.
Many problems we need to solve going into next week. Clearly EDM will start MBT.
I sure hope they tell us who is starting lol
Mbt is the better qb right now
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:46:39 AMThe funny thing is, this wasn't a slam dunk even going into the 4th. I think if EDM had stuck with their game plan and done run-mostly and RPO (either with MBT or Ford), they would have had a better shot.
We didn't have very good answers for the edge runs. Strangely, Rankin was much better than Brown. He has much more power.
Both are good. Can't argue with you.
Coin flip who they start.
This is like the game that won't end.
Love Kramdi's fire
Lots said he wasn't good enough, he is rock solid and will continue to improve
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:49:38 AMThis is like the game that won't end.
Trick play to pad the point difference lol
Don't they get a point for that?
It's actually a really smart play and I'm not sure I've ever seen that before! And a perfect execution! Steal a point right at the end in a 2-game series.
It'll pay to leave someone back there just in case from now on.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:51:28 AMDon't they get a point for that?
Nah they changed the rules for kickoffs need
Quote from: bluengold204 on September 22, 2024, 01:53:10 AMNah they changed the rules for kickoffs need
They did give them an extra point. 13->14.
Funny how booth guys had no clue. No mention of the point, just chatter about needing to get a guy down there to recover.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:51:28 AMDon't they get a point for that?
It's actually a really smart play and I'm not sure I've ever seen that before! And a perfect execution! Steal a point right at the end in a 2-game series.
It'll pay to leave someone back there just in case from now on.
No Bombers defended the onside well by having everyone forward
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 22, 2024, 01:55:14 AMNo Bombers defended the onside well by having everyone forward
But the clock was going to be down to 6s after an OSK. 6s is not enough time to run a play to get into FG range, and it's too far for Hail Mary.
I bet MOS rethinks this situation and next time puts a guy back. He's not going to like giving them this free point.
Kudos to Buck & O braintrust for coming up with good adjustments after the half. We ended up +17 before garbage time.
EDM braintrust also made some good adjustments and leaned heavily on what was working in the 1st H.
This game was hard fought and not remotely a gimmee. Rematch will probably be similar: we need to find ways to defeat that EDM edge run.
Whew. Again. That win goes a long way to Bombers finishing in 1st place.
Jones, Ayers and defence played very well. You cause 6 turnovers and you tend to win games.
Offence was a little cautious but only 1 real mistake with the int.
Wheatfall had 43 yards of production. I'll have to watch again to see if he was involved in significant blocking.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 01:57:41 AMBut the clock was going to be down to 6s after an OSK. 6s is not enough time to run a play to get into FG range, and it's too far for Hail Mary.
I bet MOS rethinks this situation and next time puts a guy back. He's not going to like giving them this free point.
All good points
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2024, 02:02:03 AMOffence was a little cautious but only 1 real mistake with the int.
Forgive the INT. It was the same net as a punt, which is what we would have done had Zach just eaten it.
Wheatfall's body type scares me a bit as far as durability is concerned but he looked good!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 02:04:09 AMForgive the INT. It was the same net as a punt, which is what we would have done had Zach just eaten it.
Yes but it's about the penchant for going deep when you don't need to. We were controlling the LOS. A big play is great but it tight games you don't need to go 35 yards downfield. Were we 2nd and 5? I have to re-watch the net impact.
This happens a lot when we're in the red zone and throw a 50/50 ball to the back or side of the end zone. While that used to be money it's been an issue this year.
I think with Wheatfall added that is going to open up everybody else. That wasn't happening with Johnson. Wheatfall appears to have more height and wingspan to bring those down. Now we aren't playing with a receiver that is not being used.
Does anybody know what happened with Wilson before the game started? A flair up or something even more serious like an achilles. I heard on the broadcast saying he was done for the season. Could have been speculation or not.
Cole got extended on the 6 game IR but was practising all week. Does he come off now or so we use the extra spot for an import like Adams to beef up against the run game.
Our run defence needs some work. Elks ran for more yardage than they got passing. I said before the game that would be an issue but that the Elks would have to beat us with the pass. They did not which was also an expected result.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2024, 02:21:01 AMThis happens a lot when we're in the red zone and throw a 50/50 ball to the back or side of the end zone. While that used to be money it's been an issue this year.
We are counting on highest-paid-R Kenny to win 50%+ of the 50/50 balls. You know, like Gino did tonight on his chances?
Zach has said he'll count on Kenny to do that. Buck has said the same.
Kenny has been letting us down on the 50/50, fact. You can't pin that all on Zach. (Yes I know it was an ugly ball, etc, I'm not talking about just this particular play, I'm talking in general.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 02:28:19 AMWe are counting on highest-paid-R Kenny to win 50%+ of the 50/50 balls. You know, like Gino did tonight on his chances?
Zach has said he'll count on Kenny to do that. Buck has said the same.
Kenny has been letting us down on the 50/50, fact. You can't pin that all on Zach. (Yes I know it was an ugly ball, etc, I'm not talking about just this particular play, I'm talking in general.)
Part of the problem is less time for Collaros to throw and / or pressure causing a force less accurate ball.
I'd put some of the issue on Lawler but that ball was clearly under thrown. Many of the 50 / 50's that Lawler has not caught have not had good placement or timing that allowed the DB to win the coverage. The difference between a reception or a knock down is not much
Funny you mention the Elk TD. That was under thrown. Ford messed up ( gave up his coverage ) watching the QB at the LOS. Alexander made the mistake of not trying to high point the int.
Quote from: Tehedra on September 22, 2024, 01:05:43 AMI mean more like they've obviously made adjustments that are playing better than our team. Two drives in a row they man handled the team and scored 10 points. I am not confident in us making adjustments to prevent a third drive to make it 13 or 17.
Bombers apparently proved me wrong; happy to see that they did. Was quite surprised with how they ended the game I almost didn't even watch it. Glad I did otherwise I would have missed a good ending.
Offense and Defense both stepped up in the last last 3/4s of the last quarter!
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2024, 02:24:49 AMDoes anybody know what happened with Wilson before the game started? A flair up or something even more serious like an achilles. I heard on the broadcast saying he was done for the season. Could have been speculation or not.
Cole got extended on the 6 game IR but was practising all week. Does he come off now or so we use the extra spot for an import like Adams to beef up against the run game.
Our run defence needs some work. Elks ran for more yardage than they got passing. I said before the game that would be an issue but that the Elks would have to beat us with the pass. They did not which was also an expected result.
Happens again and again. We are putting injured players in too early. This time he couldn't make it through warmup's without re-injuring himself.
Quote from: Jesse on September 22, 2024, 02:36:49 AMHappens again and again. We are putting injured players in too early. This time he couldn't make it through warmup's without re-injuring himself.
Could be. I don't know what his original injury was or what the new situation will be. It will be a valid question but Wilson missed 6 games and was practising for 2 weeks and things looked good.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2024, 02:40:32 AMCould be. I don't know what his original injury was or what the new situation will be. It will be a valid question but Wilson missed 6 games and was practising for 2 weeks and things looked good.
I'd love to give the team the benefit of the doubt; but there are simply too many instances of this happening now. MOS and co love to trust their players, but they need to trust the doctors more.
Quote from: Jesse on September 22, 2024, 02:36:49 AMHappens again and again. We are putting injured players in too early. This time he couldn't make it through warmup's without re-injuring himself.
This is from ed tait:
A little bit more info: the injury suffered by Kyrie Wilson was not the shoulder injury that has sidelined him before this.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 22, 2024, 02:46:20 AMThis is from ed tait:
A little bit more info: the injury suffered by Kyrie Wilson was not the shoulder injury that has sidelined him before this.
Like I said, I'd love to be able to give them the benefit of the doubt.
But I'm doubting.
Given there is no contact in warmup I would suspect something like an Achilles or other lower body injury.
Don't want to disrespect Wilson but he does seem susceptible to injuries - if it was something completely different it is just bad luck I guess
This club is freaking incredible. I figured out a long time ago that, as a fan, there will always be something to complain about if that's what you want to do. The truth is there is no such thing as a perfect football team. This club, despite its warts, and poor start, has found a way to win. 8-2 in the last ten that could easily have been 10-0. Just freaking incredible. My hat goes off to every single member of this organization. Well done gentlemen. Thank you.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 21, 2024, 09:06:27 PMWho is our short yardage Qb? Wilson?
Odd... we never got to find out! Not a single SY play. Now
that is highly unusual for us.
My hunch is Wilson is the SY guy for the time being.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 10:25:12 PMThough exactly what I was worried about. Best that whatever setback happened occurred before the game.
Did anyone ever get a glimpse of the mythical "revised chart" WFC promised the league? Did we get to dress 45, or were we short a guy the whole game because we flew out no PR guys?
(Mafia note to self: fly an extra PR guy to every game.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 06:16:45 AMDid anyone ever get a glimpse of the mythical "revised chart" WFC promised the league? Did we get to dress 45, or were we short a guy the whole game because we flew out no PR guys?
(Mafia note to self: fly an extra PR guy to every game.)
I'm not 100% sure of this but I believe you can't change your roster less than six hours prior to a game. If that is the case, a player injured in a warm up prior to the game can't be replaced.
Yes the Blue Bombers did issue a revised depth chart - posted on TwiXter at 5:30 pm CT. Kyrie Wilson was removed (added to 6-game IL), 33 Jones was listed as the starter at MLB & 49 Ayers was listed as the starter at WLB. No one was added to the roster.
Changes can be made to the game day roster up to 30 minutes prior to kickoff. Players removed must be added to an injured list. Players can be added from practice roster or signed as a street free agent.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on September 22, 2024, 07:25:46 AMYes the Blue Bombers did issue a revised depth chart - posted on TwiXter at 5:30 pm CT. Kyrie Wilson was removed (added to 6-game IL), 33 Jones was listed as the starter at MLB & 49 Ayers was listed as the starter at WLB. No one was added to the roster.
Changes can be made to the game day roster up to 30 minutes prior to kickoff. Players removed must be added to an injured list. Players can be added from practice roster or signed as a street free agent.
Thanks Junkie!! That must have been some quick scramble work by some poor sod sweating it out back @PAS to get that revised chart done in time!
So we did play with only 44. Bummer.
The flight is a charter/private jet, so why don't we bring our "best available PR player" to every away game? Just in case. Doesn't have to be in the same position or even on the same side of the ball. Just has to be someone who can sub in for a warm-up injury. Either a talented NAT, if we have one, or our best PR IMP... or one of both.
For instance, we could have had Adams dress as the 45th, no?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2024, 02:34:32 AMI'd put some of the issue on Lawler but that ball was clearly under thrown. Many of the 50 / 50's that Lawler has not caught have not had good placement or timing that allowed the DB to win the coverage. The difference between a reception or a knock down is not much
Funny you mention the Elk TD. That was under thrown. Ford messed up ( gave up his coverage ) watching the QB at the LOS. Alexander made the mistake of not trying to high point the int.
But that's precisely my point... 2 underthrows, 2 franchise $$ Rs, only one came up with it. Kenny's supposed to do that too!
Quote from: Jesse on September 22, 2024, 02:44:57 AMI'd love to give the team the benefit of the doubt; but there are simply too many instances of this happening now. MOS and co love to trust their players, but they need to trust the doctors more.
Preliminary reports was that the injury was not related to his previous shoulder injury.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 08:10:04 AMBut that's precisely my point... 2 underthrows, 2 franchise $$ Rs, only one came up with it. Kenny's supposed to do that too!
Lawler had the DB standing right in front of him to make the play. Nobody was as close to Lewis on his TD. That seemed to be a mistake by Ford in dropping coverage and / or by Alexander with not adjusting in time.
The situations are hardly the same and blaming Lawler is an over reaction on that play.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 08:04:05 AMThanks Junkie!! That must have been some quick scramble work by some poor sod sweating it out back @PAS to get that revised chart done in time!
So we did play with only 44. Bummer.
The flight is a charter/private jet, so why don't we bring our "best available PR player" to every away game? Just in case. Doesn't have to be in the same position or even on the same side of the ball. Just has to be someone who can sub in for a warm-up injury. Either a talented NAT, if we have one, or our best PR IMP... or one of both.
For instance, we could have had Adams dress as the 45th, no?
This is an obvious solution. I'm not sure why not. Would be a good question for the ratio show. There might be some reason?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 08:04:05 AMThanks Junkie!! That must have been some quick scramble work by some poor sod sweating it out back @PAS to get that revised chart done in time!
So we did play with only 44. Bummer.
The flight is a charter/private jet, so why don't we bring our "best available PR player" to every away game? Just in case. Doesn't have to be in the same position or even on the same side of the ball. Just has to be someone who can sub in for a warm-up injury. Either a talented NAT, if we have one, or our best PR IMP... or one of both.
For instance, we could have had Adams dress as the 45th, no?
There would be advantages to bringing an extra player. But how often is a player actually injured in warm-up? And how do you predict who it is, in terms of trying to decide who to bring, in terms of position, ratio. There's also the extra cost (meals, hotel...granted fairly small), and the fact that even charters have a fixed capacity in terms of seats available. Might be a reasonable question to ask on the coaches show, O'Shea might even answer it...
Quote from: bunker on September 22, 2024, 02:30:13 PMThere would be advantages to bringing an extra player. But how often is a player actually injured in warm-up? And how do you predict who it is, in terms of trying to decide who to bring, in terms of position, ratio. There's also the extra cost (meals, hotel...granted fairly small), and the fact that even charters have a fixed capacity in terms of seats available. Might be a reasonable question to ask on the coaches show, O'Shea might even answer it...
Yeah the trick is guessing who you'd need to add. That said, the number of choices is limited to players on the PR. So choosing one isn't rocket science either. You could bring 1 extra offensive player ( an OL ) or an extra defensive player ( DL ).
Team already had depth in most other areas, so that would seem easy. At home you already have those players on the bench as spectators.
For this game, I might have brought another receiver, since we were pretty light on receiver depth. Which would not have helped much with this injury. So its a bit of a guessing game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2024, 03:25:39 PMYeah the trick is guessing who you'd need to add. That said, the number of choices is limited to players on the PR. So choosing one isn't rocket science either. You could bring 1 extra offensive player ( an OL ) or an extra defensive player ( DL ).
Team already had depth in most other areas, so that would seem easy. At home you already have those players on the bench as spectators.
What happened to the game day reserve? In years past they always had a man or 2 extra ready to go on the gameday roster and it wasn't revealed until game time which unlucky players would not dress or play. I'm not clear if this is the case anymore.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 22, 2024, 03:41:00 PMWhat happened to the game day reserve? In years past they always had a man or 2 extra ready to go on the gameday roster and it wasn't revealed until game time which unlucky players would not dress or play. I'm not clear if this is the case anymore.
The roster used to be 46 players of which 1 wouldn't dress. That never made any sense to pay a player for a full game check but not allow him to play.
Deleting the " extra " player it allowed the annual SMS to be used over the rest of the roster somewhere. A player on an ELC is about $74K so that's enough for a few raises etc.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 22, 2024, 03:57:24 PMThe roster used to be 46 players of which 1 wouldn't dress. That never made any sense to pay a player for a full game check but not allow him to play.
Deleting the " extra " player it allowed the annual SMS to be used over the rest of the roster somewhere. A player on an ELC is about $74K so that's enough for a few raises etc.
I guess they made the change strictly for economic reasons, yesterday's situation was why the extra reserve was in place for as long as it was. With so many bodies to maintain, chances are one will malfunction prior to gametime. Stanley's timing was a bit off a few weeks ago, that would have also fit the situation well if he would have been declared sick prior to gametime.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 22, 2024, 04:23:50 PMI guess they made the change strictly for economic reasons, yesterday's situation was why the extra reserve was in place for as long as it was. With so many bodies to maintain, chances are one will malfunction prior to gametime. Stanley's timing was a bit off a few weeks ago, that would have also fit the situation well if he would have been declared sick prior to gametime.
Yes but you can add a player and some players are designated GTD. So a team must have the replacement available to add a player late etc.
Taking a couple of extra on the road has a nominal cost. Much less than an actual game day check as in the past. The PR players are still getting their weekly $$$ amount.It's just less than a full game check. Then if you need to activate somebody, you can.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 22, 2024, 04:23:50 PMI guess they made the change strictly for economic reasons, yesterday's situation was why the extra reserve was in place for as long as it was. With so many bodies to maintain, chances are one will malfunction prior to gametime. Stanley's timing was a bit off a few weeks ago, that would have also fit the situation well if he would have been declared sick prior to gametime.
When the league had the game day stratches (used to be 4 players then changed to 1), those players normally didn't travel with the team to away games. So having those reserve players wouldn't have helped with yesterday's situation.
If it was a home game then the team could have easily replaced Wilson with another player. The team has done this on occasion in the past.
Also, the official roster size is 44 (with an option to dress one additional Canadian or Global player). So technically the team wasn't down a player but they did dress 1 less American than normally the case.
Quote from: bunker on September 22, 2024, 03:35:36 PMFor this game, I might have brought another receiver, since we were pretty light on receiver depth. Which would not have helped much with this injury. So its a bit of a guessing game.
But you don't need to guess the position. Just consider any extra guy you fly out as an extra depth guy, regardless of who gets Kyrie'd. For instance, our team can always use an extra DL dressed. So I would usually bring an extra DL.
We all know an extra body as depth at DL will be appreciated and used by our team. (And probably same with LB.) Or WR when we are light at depth, as you said.
The Kyrie'd player is a sunk cost: just ignore who actually goes out. Instead think of bringing someone else as a free bonus.
As for cost: hotel rooms are usually shared except for QB, no? Chances are they already have an odd number of non-QB players, so the hotel is 0 cost. Food is negligble, as would be per diem. And in any event, that's all off-SMS so who cares about cost?
Quote from: gobombersgo on September 22, 2024, 07:38:01 PMWhen the league had the game day stratches (used to be 4 players then changed to 1), those players normally didn't travel with the team to away games. So having those reserve players wouldn't have helped with yesterday's situation.
If it was a home game then the team could have easily replaced Wilson with another player. The team has done this on occasion in the past.
Also, the official roster size is 44 (with an option to dress one additional Canadian or Global player). So technically the team wasn't down a player but they did dress 1 less American than normally the case.
Has any team actually not dressed a 45th player intentionally? I mean many teams end up with the 2nd global on their AR. Mostly since their 1st global is a kicker and the 2nd is on an ELC anyway.
A few times that is almost a forced decision as injuries to Canadian depth players eliminates the choice between the 2 choices.
That said, why is it a choice to intentionally only roster 44 instead of having to choose the extra player?
A team out of the play off hunt next week could save $4K per game for the last 3 games by only using 44 players.
Teams expecting to miss the playoffs could shuffle some higher paid players to the 6 game IR this week to save some cash. It would also allow to manage roster numbers on the PR and get a longer look at a few players.
Speaking of roster management isn't this traditionally the time of year the Bombers bring in a handful of prospects for tryouts for TC next season? Other than the 3 QB's they brought in it seems awfully quiet on that front.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 23, 2024, 05:01:10 PMSpeaking of roster management isn't this traditionally the time of year the Bombers bring in a handful of prospects for tryouts for TC next season? Other than the 3 QB's they brought in it seems awfully quiet on that front.
You must have missed the activity. The PR has been loaded up to the max or near max. With Wilson going back on IR they might have room for one more addition.
Currently the PR shows 18 players but the 2 Rifles players don't count. We moved Samson to the 1 game IR so in theory we have 1 more spot to reach 17 allowed when 2 spots are listed for global players.
In theory that gives us 2 spots due to the Wilson issue.
I don't think we lost anybody else during the game and I'm not aware of anyone on the 6 game that might come off now besides Cole?
Also not convinced we keep 2 QB's on the PR past this week. Perhaps one gets a futures deal for TC 2025. I say this because there are not enough practice reps for 5 QB's on rosters at this time of the season. Even in TC 5 is a bigger number for too long an extended time.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2024, 05:14:35 PMYou must have missed the activity. The PR has been loaded up to the max or near max. With Wilson going back on IR they might have room for one more addition.
Currently the PR shows 18 players but the 2 Rifles players don't count. We moved Samson to the 1 game IR so in theory we have 1 more spot to reach 17 allowed when 2 spots are listed for global players.
In theory that gives us 2 spots due to the Wilson issue.
I don't think we lost anybody else during the game and I'm not aware of anyone on the 6 game that might come off now besides Cole?
Also not convinced we keep 2 QB's on the PR past this week. Perhaps one gets a futures deal for TC 2025. I say this because there are not enough practice reps for 5 QB's on rosters at this time of the season. Even in TC 5 is a bigger number for too long an extended time.
Unfortunately I don't check the Bomber roster page or the CFL transactions page as much as I used to, having unreliable or old information, statistics and data does not enhance the CFL fan experience.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 23, 2024, 04:49:33 PMHas any team actually not dressed a 45th player intentionally? I mean many teams end up with the 2nd global on their AR. Mostly since their 1st global is a kicker and the 2nd is on an ELC anyway.
I don't see why any team would dress less than the max. We have seen a couple of teams "dress" their dinged-up QB who is just on the sidelines in civvies or no helmet. That is the only case I can think of where you knowingly "waste" an AR spot. I think this is done as a courtesy to the QB so he keeps getting his game cheque and any performance/dressing bonuses.
No team cares about the real-world $$, regardless of how "poor" they cry.
But you make a good point: teams do care about the SMS$, and once you no longer care about winning, you can shrink the AR to get a few more bucks to pre-sign/pre-bonus stars for next year with this year's SMS$.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 24, 2024, 12:52:49 AMI don't see why any team would dress less than the max. We have seen a couple of teams "dress" their dinged-up QB who is just on the sidelines in civvies or no helmet. That is the only case I can think of where you knowingly "waste" an AR spot. I think this is done as a courtesy to the QB so he keeps getting his game cheque and any performance/dressing bonuses.
No team cares about the real-world $$, regardless of how "poor" they cry.
But you make a good point: teams do care about the SMS$, and once you no longer care about winning, you can shrink the AR to get a few more bucks to pre-sign/pre-bonus stars for next year with this year's SMS$.
That'd be a clever accounting trick, but I'd be surprised if the CFLPA didn't have the minimum number of players dressed stipulated in the CBA.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 24, 2024, 04:04:25 PMThat'd be a clever accounting trick, but I'd be surprised if the CFLPA didn't have the minimum number of players dressed stipulated in the CBA.
The minimum is set at 44 but that doesn't mean you can't shift high SMS players to the IR and replace them with ELC PR players. Assuming you do it this week.
At this time of the season we usually have a few teams out of play off contention. That's not the case this year.
In the case of the Bombers we just lost Bighill although not intentionally. He'll be replaced by an ELC player that will save a few $$$ for the last 4 games. That might be the case for Woli as well if he is unable to return for any part of the regular season game.
Bombers have had a bunch of high SMS players on the 6 game IR this season. Very few on 1 game IR. It's not like we've added new veterans that were high SMS that off set those on 6 game IR. Almost exclusively ELC players from our PR.
Just a guess but Bighill gets $7K per game versus $4k for a PR player X 5 games = $13K SMS savings?
Wouldn't shifting a high paid player to IR and replacing him with an ELC player actually cost MORE money? Because your still have to pay the high pad player, and you have to also pay the ELC player with SMS money.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 24, 2024, 04:43:27 PMWouldn't shifting a high paid player to IR and replacing him with an ELC player actually cost MORE money? Because your still have to pay the high pad player, and you have to also pay the ELC player with SMS money.
Higher operations cost but lower SMS cost with a player moved to 6 game IR.
I'm sorry. I thought we were past the 6game $SMS relief because there are not 6 games left?
OK, checked the CBA...
No Player shall be eligible to be placed on the Six Game Injury List after his
Member Club has played its 15th regular season game. Any Player who has been
placed on the Six Game Injury List prior to the Member Club's 15th regular
season game will be eligible to be extended on the Six Game Injury List for the
remainder of the season without penalty. Playoff Games and the Playoff Bye
will be considered a game served on the Six Game Injury List. A Bye in the
regular season will not be considered a game played.
So, that's clear as mud.
Regardless, to put a player on the 6 game for $SMS purposes needs to be done before this week's play, so that means with no team officially eliminated from contention, this point is moot.
EDIT: Except Calgary, who have the bye this week. They can still 6 game players next week if BC, EDM, TOR and SSK all win.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 24, 2024, 04:43:27 PMWouldn't shifting a high paid player to IR and replacing him with an ELC player actually cost MORE money? Because your still have to pay the high pad player, and you have to also pay the ELC player with SMS money.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 24, 2024, 04:49:18 PMHigher operations cost but lower SMS cost with a player moved to 6 game IR.
Ya, that's what I've termed Out-Of-Pocket money (OOP money) vs SMS money. No one gives a poop about OOP money, it's completely irrelevant to the GM's planning and thinking. It's all about the SMS.
3Q10:10 The Pokey TD with Wheatfall roadgrading:
Watch the play again... I can guarantee all our opponents will be. The best play design of the season. Finally, Buck/MOS decide to do something about our garbage redzone stats this season. And boy did they go high-brain and super-creative for this one!
Thankfully TSN gives us 3 great views. The behind the uprights view is the best to see how it works.
Wheatfall was 100% designed to be in the same place to be the lead blocker. He kind of missed his blocks, but the confusion he caused probably helped get the TD.
The TSN guys do a good job of breaking the play down. Demski and Kenny going to opposite sides clear out the middle. Clercius going corner clears the deep help. The LBers think Wheatfall is a rub and thus run to Demski. But it's a fake rub and breaks both Pokey and Wheatie wide open.
Really fun stuff, I recommend everyone rewatch, as it's hard to appreciate the genius in the heat of the battle. This is part of what's been missing this season. I hope this is a sign of things to come.