Argos would do Blue a solid with a win here.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 12, 2024, 06:05:08 AMArgos would do Blue a solid with a win here.
Dude, the game is on Friday.
Agreed, stranger things have happened this year as Lions have to be heavy favorites. Will be cheering on the Argos for sure.
Go Bombers!
Quote from: gobombersgo on September 12, 2024, 10:03:44 AMDude, the game is on Friday.
Lol, not sure what the mod was looking at here.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 12, 2024, 01:23:10 PMyes and what is your point?
When you started the thread you wrote Thursday not Friday.
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No David Mackie for @BCLions tomorrow night vs #Argos. He's been dealing with a leg injury for a few weeks now & with the bye coming this makes sense to get him healthy. But a big loss given how many things he does for them
Hahaha - Falaniko on the 'added to' part of the depth chart. They toooottaalllly didn't just edit the PDF to add him at the last second. Good job, guys!
REC DaVaris Daniels, OL Ryan Hunter back for Argos vs. B.C. Lions
By 3Down Staff -September 12, 2024
The Toronto Argonauts will get two massive pieces of their offence back this week after brief absences.
Veteran receiver DaVaris Daniels will return to the lineup after being a late scratch last week with a groin injury. The 31-year-old has had a quiet 2024 season, posting 30 receptions for 323 yards and two touchdowns in 10 games, but was named an East Division all-star in 2023 after recording his first career 1,000-yard season. He currently sits second behind only Eugene Lewis among active receivers with 5,902 career yards.
Also returning is left guard Ryan Hunter, who missed last week for undisclosed personal reasons. The 29-year-old has started every game for Argos this season and was named a CFL all-star in 2023. He won a Grey Cup with the team after joining the organization in 2022, as well as a Super Bowl as a member of the Kansas City Chiefs in 2019.
In order to make room for the two veterans, American defensive back Mark Milton and Canadian offensive lineman John Bosse have been returned to the practice squad.
The Toronto Argonauts (6-6) will visit the B.C. Lions (7-6) on Friday, September 13 at 10:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/12/rec-davaris-daniels-ol-ryan-hunter-back-for-argos-vs-b-c-lions/
B.C. Lions lose do-it-all FB David Mackie for matchup with Argos
By 3Down Staff -September 12, 2024
The B.C. Lions will be without one of the most underrated players in the CFL when they take on the Toronto Argonauts on Friday.
Fullback David Mackie (hamstring) has been placed on the six-game injured list after being limited in practice this week. The 30-year-old has caught six passes for 52 yards out of the backfield this season but has also handled most of the team's short-yardage quarterbacking duties, rushing 24 times for 101 yards and six touchdowns. When not under centre, he is a vital part of the blocking scheme in front of league-leading rusher William Stanback and a leader on special teams, boasting seven tackles this season.
The Lions have converted defensive lineman and long snapper Riley Pickett on the roster to handle fullback duties, while rookie American running back Jordan Terrell will dress for the first time behind Stanback. Canadian receiver Ezechiel Tieide will also dress to fit the ratio.
The Lions will also make some changes along the offensive line, where American Chris Schleuger returns from a knee injury and will slot in at left tackle while the team awaits the recovery of stalwart Jarell Broxton. Canadian David Knevel, who stepped in last week as the starter, will remain on the roster but has been bumped to a depth role.
To accommodate the changes, B.C. will send a pair of American defenders down to the practice roster in linebacker Jackson Taylor and defensive end Julian Falaniko.
The B.C. Lions (7-6) will host the Toronto Argonauts (6-6) on Friday, September 13 at 10:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/12/b-c-lions-lose-do-it-all-fb-david-mackie-for-matchup-with-argos/
BC LIONS Practice Day
Player Name Position Injury MON TUE WED Game Status
Nathan Cherry DL Knee Limited Limited Limited Questionable
Ciante Evans DB Elbow Full Full Full Available
David Knevel OL Ankle Full Full Limited Questionable
David Mackie FB Hamstring Limited Limited Limited Questionable
Justin McInnis WR Foot Limited Full Full Available
Kent Perkins OL Ankle Limited Full Full Available
Garry Peters DB Ankle Limited Limited Full Available
Chris Schleuger OL Knee Full Full Full Available
Amir Siddiqi DL Knee Limited Limited Limited Questionable
Anu Una OL Knee Limited Limited Limited Questionable
TORONTO ARGONAUTS Practice Day
Player Name Position Injury TUE WED Game Status
Jared Brinkman DL Ankle Full Full Out
Dejon Brissett WR Knee Full Full Out
DaVaris Daniels WR Groin Full Full Available
Jonathan Edouard DB Elbow DNP DNP Out
Thiadric Hansen DL Hip Full DNP Out
Jamie Harry DB Hip DNP DNP Out
Ryan Hunter OL Personal Full Full Available
Daniel Kwamou LB Knee Limited Limited Out
Gregor Mackellar OL Toe Limited Limited Out
Wynton McManis LB Groin Limited Limited Out
Can both teams lose?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 12, 2024, 07:14:29 PMHahaha - Falaniko on the 'added to' part of the depth chart. They toooottaalllly didn't just edit the PDF to add him at the last second. Good job, guys!
Whiteout-Photocopy-Overtype-Scan to league office.
Gunmetal jerseys are back. They look great up close but they are awful from a distance.
Alright I'm ready for some CFL ball here!
NFL can take a back seat for tonight!
Anyone else awake for this one? ;)
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 14, 2024, 02:00:05 AMAnyone else awake for this one? ;)
I'm here! Go East!!! Doubt it, but we can dream. A TOR win really helps us here
Wolfie's skin does not look as thrashed as usual so that is good.
Wow, small crowd. BC people always let the league down.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on September 14, 2024, 01:38:20 AMGunmetal jerseys are back. They look great up close but they are awful from a distance.
the gun metal is ridiculous. Cannot tell who is who at all.
Talking heads blathering as injured player on the field. Wake you two putz!
Do the HC's not listen to the Tecno?
Uncalled DPI has 10% chance of success. Let's see the film. Has to be mega obvious in livetime.
That should not be overturned. Campbell dazed and confused as usual.
Told you so Campbell! Holy smokes when are the HCs going to understand the new standard!!!
I'm wide awake but missing bomber football this weekend. Stupid challenge on Campbell, go Toronto
Lol now BC can't challenge anything.
Sometimes silly & stupid things like this set the tone for the game.
BC 2&out. BC badly bothing a challenge. Let's see if TOR can capitalize. Sucks for them if #40 DE is out all game though... hopefully it's nothing major.
Nice pick up, Carey
I challenge O'Shea to take off his t-shirt with the next win LOL
Oh look Campbell showing the rolls off, congrats coach! :D
Quote from: barbk on September 14, 2024, 02:21:09 AMI challenge O'Shea to take off his t-shirt with the next win LOL
He does not need to resort to gimmicks.
How about this Goldie .... I challenge Grant to cut off his dreads
Suitor being unlistenable as usual.
muted.
Lions look out of sorts. Maybe Campbell needs to lose his shirt again.
Quote from: barbk on September 14, 2024, 02:25:49 AMHow about this Goldie .... I challenge Grant to cut off his dreads
plucked feathers if you will?
What happened to that glorious hoser Dominos commercial from last year. That was brilliant.
Rourke wants the quiet crowd to settle down. Lol
Grant is simply amazing
Nice, Grant does his thing.
Lions went for the hair again and missed.
Argos playing nice complimentary ball.
Wow just wow
Lions laying an egg at home. Fans seemed to have no effect. :D
You gotta love Ben Major, "it hit the score board again!" :D
Hollins busted up that shoulder. Big loss for the Lions. Injury is unfortunate. collar bone snap?
BC just seems completed out of it. Coaching did have these guys ready to play. Shirt off HC overrated.
Looks like another receiver will be gone for the season.... wow lots of injuries
FG fest, yeah!
Booooo
Wow, so that's what $500,000 looks like sitting on the sidelines!!
Rourke benched for no real apparent reason.
Guys runs in a tuddy on his last drive then gets bench?
Lions OL Swiss cheese. VAG gets smoked twice in a row. Ouch BC SUX.
Thsi Damon Allen interview is mind numbing during game play.
Argos controlling this game well
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 14, 2024, 03:55:16 AMRourke benched for no real apparent reason.
Guys runs in a tuddy on his last drive then gets bench?
Lions OL Swiss cheese. VAG gets smoked twice in a row. Ouch BC SUX.
Aside from the one run, he's done nothing. I wouldn't say they made the switch for "no" reason.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 14, 2024, 03:57:11 AMThsi Damon Allen interview is mind numbing during game play.
They'll never learn.
The TSN crew is ever unaware of injuries on the field. Wake up crew, wake up! You look like fools when hurt players are on the field.
Peters did not look good coming out of the tent.
lions injury tent has a line up. BC getting smoked with injuries.
Lions D getting shredded none the less. Poor tackling.
TOUCHDOWN ARBLOWS!
Would be Nice to see Kelly get smoked though.
Glen....shut the heck up. You suck!
Quote from: Pete on September 14, 2024, 02:35:06 AMGrant is simply amazing
Ya, I have to admit it was a major screwup letting him go. I thought he may have been fading last season... but he was probably just nursing his injury still. To think we lost out on Grant by maybe $25k. Ugh.
We did the ol' Wally Buono thing and released him a year early... but, like Buono was wrong with AH33, maybe he this was wrong with Grant. And in any case, how could it have hurt to sign him for 1 more year?
Of course, now Grant will have a completely injury-free year for the first time in a long time. LOL. The only saving grace is we probably won't have to face him in the GC.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 14, 2024, 02:52:22 AMHollins busted up that shoulder. Big loss for the Lions. Injury is unfortunate. collar bone snap?
Can't it just be a dislocation? Wouldn't a bone problem be a weird and rare thing on this play? Most people's bones can handle their own weight falling on them.
Is Hollins made of glass? Didn't he just come back from some other injury?
What a weird year for injuries! (I'll keep saying that until it stops being weird!)
before the game so many have given BC 1st place in the west, but as shown again they do have flaws
This is awesome, Lions recently sign 2 'big' free agents, spend the cap limit for sure and are stinking the joint out!! I can see why Rourke didn't make the nfl, he's brutal!! One year wonder!! Love it when $500,000 just sits on the bench!!
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2024, 03:49:47 AMWow, so that's what $500,000 looks like sitting on the sidelines!!
This game: Destroyer Of Fantasy Teams Across Canada. Rourke, he gets ya 35pts, or he gets you 7.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2024, 04:45:08 AMThis is awesome, Lions recently sign 2 'big' free agents, spend the cap limit for sure and are stinking the joint out!! I can see why Rourke didn't make the nfl, he's brutal!! One year wonder!! Love it when $500,000 just sits on the bench!!
BC can't tackle anyone so they sit their QBs. Awesome.
Thanks TOR & Kelly for doing us in WPG a solid!! Woohoo, WPG #1 with a game in hand!
Even though it destroyed my fantasy team, I couldn't be happier. At least no one * loses a point on the pickem, since I think everyone (* except 1 guy/gal) picked BC.
MB guy Rice got into the game for TOR late at RT after their 2nd OL injury. He looked pretty good. He would have made a great FA pickup as a backup who can do OG and OT. He languished on the couch a long time, with TOR only snapping him up at the last second. Would have been cheap insurance and he would have already used him extensively.
Oh well.
Campbell might of rocked the boat to hard with his QBs. I did not really like the pulling of Rourke. BC OL and WR corps was really underperforming in the first half. I can understand maybe lighting a fire on the O but failed miserably. Could be the beginning of the end for the Lions this year.
Rourke looked annoyed on camera towards the end of the game.
Dazed and Confused Campbell does not impress me as coach.
Quote from: J5V on September 14, 2024, 05:52:07 AMBC can't tackle anyone so they sit their QBs. Awesome.
:D there whole team was brutal tonight! QB room could be a mess now.
BC SUX has returned with flying colours. :D
Sorry to see Hollins get injured. I'm not sure if that was a separation or broken collar bone. He was in a lot of pain and I suspect he's gone for an extended time.
Peters might have to miss a game due to concussion protocol. He didn't seem to know where he was after that hit.
Bombers now have a game in hand on top of the season series. Win our next game and the Lions will need to win 2 more games out of their last 4 to pass us.
We also don't want to give the Elks any momentum, so put them out of the play off race. :)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 14, 2024, 04:22:55 AMYa, I have to admit it was a major screwup letting him go. I thought he may have been fading last season... but he was probably just nursing his injury still. To think we lost out on Grant by maybe $25k. Ugh
I think he'd be having less success here though. Our blocking seems to leave whoever has been returning no where to go. No question he is still the best though.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 14, 2024, 01:33:22 PMSorry to see Hollins get injured. I'm not sure if that was a separation or broken collar bone. He was in a lot of pain and I suspect he's gone for an extended time.
Peters might have to miss a game due to concussion protocol. He didn't seem to know where he was after that hit.
Bombers now have a game in hand on top of the season series. Win our next game and the Lions will need to win 2 more games out of their last 4 to pass us.
We also don't want to give the Elks any momentum, so put them out of the play off race. :)
No truer words have been spoken. Right now Edmonton looks like the second best team in the west.
Lions needed to win that game to keep in the hunt for first place, they blew it big time. And you're right, who d have figured Edmonton would rise from the dead like they have but we win next game and first place for us looks very good
I think both qbs are looking over their shoulder and being adversely effected. They can pretend they are all one big happy group but each one wants to be THE guy.
Adams likely feels hes given a lot to this team both financially and physically only to be supplanted the moment Rourke became available
Rourke has come in after being beaten out by numerous second and third string qbs in the nfl and now his coach is saying they are reevaluating the qb situation on bye week.
Trade for Maier or Powers as a definite back up and get a higher 1st rnd draft pick to replace the one they will lose for exceeding the cap.
why do so many coaches in the CFL refuse to run the ball?
Bombers won two Grey Cups partly with a strong running game.
B.C. has shown that they have a good running game. Q.B. struggling a bit? help him out. run the ball.
and yet... first half.. (all I watched) they did not use it.
I do not know one percent of what these guys know, but.....I just do not understand.
Defences stack against the run on first down, 2nd and long is tough in cfl as teams blitz even more. Its a passing league which is why qbs are paid double the amount of even the best players at other positions
Also we've seen a lot more emphasis on the short passes along the line replacing running plays
The Lions are the most inconsistent team in the league.
Last week they beat the best team in the league this week they couldn't get a first down against the Argos in a quarter.
Last few weeks they've run the ball to set up shorter 2nd downs and then throw some bombs. This week they tried to simply throw the bombs without setting them up with the run resulting in 2 & outs.
Last week Rourke looked like he was back. This week he looked confused again. It looked like he finally got it just before the half then they start VAJ in the 2nd half? ***?
Last couple of weeks the Lions defence fixed their tackling problems. This week they went back to allowing runners to drag them and deke them and generally bounce off of them. Still they held the Argos to FG's instead of TD's until the last seconds of the first half.
Quote from: markf on September 14, 2024, 03:00:21 PMwhy do so many coaches in the CFL refuse to run the ball?
Bombers won two Grey Cups partly with a strong running game.
B.C. has shown that they have a good running game. Q.B. struggling a bit? help him out. run the ball.
and yet... first half.. (all I watched) they did not use it.
I do not know one percent of what these guys know, but.....I just do not understand.
I'm with ya, man. I don't get it either, especially with a back like Stanbach. I'd run that guy as long as possible each and every game. BC owner not going to be happy with the product he's overpaid for.
Quote from: Pete on September 14, 2024, 02:49:44 PMI think both qbs are looking over their shoulder and being adversely effected. They can pretend they are all one big happy group but each one wants to be THE guy.
Adams likely feels hes given a lot to this team both financially and physically only to be supplanted the moment Rourke became available
Rourke has come in after being beaten out by numerous second and third string qbs in the nfl and now his coach is saying they are reevaluating the qb situation on bye week.
Trade for Maier or Powers as a definite back up and get a higher 1st rnd draft pick to replace the one they will lose for exceeding the cap.
I don't know about that. Lions look for the deep ball / big play too often. It's their downfall. Their running game is usually not very good in most games. It was that way in 2022 and 2023 as well.
I'm not as convinced about Stanback as some others. However they aren't using him well often enough.
Nothing new here.
EDIT: Hollins has been the target 25% of the time on passing plays. This is the equivalent of us losing Schoen. In 2023 he was targeted 111 time.
This was a suprise.
BC has a sub-par defense, sub-par o-line and a co-ordinator who can't come up with a half decent game plan on a weekly basis.
Quote from: gobombersgo on September 14, 2024, 08:34:36 AM
I figured Kelly and the Argos would come back with a vengeance after the loss to Ottawa, they're a better team than most give them credit for.
Anyone else getting weird vibes from Rourke? He's definitely bought into himself being a peg above the rest, or is it just me?
He's saying the right things mostly but I'm not sure if he actually believes them. Lots of attention on himself.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2024, 05:02:05 PMAnyone else getting weird vibes from Rourke? He's definitely bought into himself being a peg above the rest, or is it just me?
He's saying the right things mostly but I'm not sure if he actually believes them. Lots of attention on himself.
"Rourke was born in Victoria, British Columbia and grew up in Oakville, Ontario. He played minor football for the Burlington Stampeders before playing for three years at Holy Trinity Catholic Secondary School in Oakville.[2]
He transferred to Edgewood Academy in Elmore, Alabama, for his senior season of high school football."
Canadian high school boy going to Alabama to play high school football.
Maybe he's been getting treated like football royalty since he was a kid.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2024, 05:02:05 PMAnyone else getting weird vibes from Rourke? He's definitely bought into himself being a peg above the rest, or is it just me?
He's saying the right things mostly but I'm not sure if he actually believes them. Lots of attention on himself.
I think he sincerely doesn't like the extra attention, seems like a really good kid.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2024, 05:02:05 PMAnyone else getting weird vibes from Rourke? He's definitely bought into himself being a peg above the rest, or is it just me?
He's saying the right things mostly but I'm not sure if he actually believes them. Lots of attention on himself.
Agree on this. His look and demeanour on the sidelines at least suggests he's not happy at being pulled from the last game. Probably inserting the 3rd string guy also added insult to injury. I somewhat understand that but Campbell made the right decision. Rourke simply was not performing well.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2024, 05:02:05 PMAnyone else getting weird vibes from Rourke? He's definitely bought into himself being a peg above the rest, or is it just me?
He's saying the right things mostly but I'm not sure if he actually believes them. Lots of attention on himself.
I personally think he is very much conceited and wasn't at all surprised he didn't make it in the NFL. The funny part was the interview with Farhan Lalji (who in my opinion kisses Rourke's _ss!) and snubbed him which I think wanted to create more attention to himself. I prefer someone like ZC and Dru Brown who shine on their team mates and not on themselves.
Quote from: barbk on September 14, 2024, 07:48:39 PMI personally think he is very much conceited and wasn't at all surprised he didn't make it in the NFL. The funny part was the interview with Farhan Lalji (who in my opinion kisses Rourke's _ss!) and snubbed him which I think wanted to create more attention to himself. I prefer someone like ZC and Dru Brown who shine on their team mates and not on themselves.
If I was the Lions I'd make him drive a Frito-Lay truck all off-season.
Quote from: Pete on September 14, 2024, 02:49:44 PMI think both qbs are looking over their shoulder and being adversely effected. They can pretend they are all one big happy group but each one wants to be THE guy.
Adams likely feels hes given a lot to this team both financially and physically only to be supplanted the moment Rourke became available
Rourke has come in after being beaten out by numerous second and third string qbs in the nfl and now his coach is saying they are reevaluating the qb situation on bye week.
Trade for Maier or Powers as a definite back up and get a higher 1st rnd draft pick to replace the one they will lose for exceeding the cap.
When you have 2 "starting" QB's...you have no starting QB's
Quote from: The Zipp on September 14, 2024, 09:30:58 PMWhen you have 2 "starting" QB's...you have no starting QB's
Maybe a little scuffling going on this season but it should sort itself out in the off-season and they'll be down to the anointed one.
Rourke still the only player in the league not doing his chinstrap up as rules dictate. Two weeks in a row now. Do I hear a third? How I would love to see a penalty called that takes a score off the board. It's a 10 yarder that they could call literally every play on him. Wonder what he is trying to prove? And why doesn't Campbell tell him to do it up? And why do officials pretend they don't know?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2024, 05:02:05 PMAnyone else getting weird vibes from Rourke? He's definitely bought into himself being a peg above the rest, or is it just me?
He's saying the right things mostly but I'm not sure if he actually believes them. Lots of attention on himself.
I think there were unreasonable and unrealistic expectations placed on him for coming in midseason after being out of the league for two years.
He was pushed into the starting lineup due to VAJs injury. Kind of set him up for fairly. I'm withholding judgement until next season.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 14, 2024, 07:54:03 PMIf I was the Lions I'd make him drive a Frito-Lay truck all off-season.
Do any Frito truck drivers make $200k? They do have to reasonably justify that "marketing money" :D :D :D
Quote from: ModAdmin on September 14, 2024, 07:23:20 PMAgree on this. His look and demeanour on the sidelines at least suggests he's not happy at being pulled from the last game. Probably inserting the 3rd string guy also added insult to injury. I somewhat understand that but Campbell made the right decision. Rourke simply was not performing well.
It makes no sense. Rourke got hot right before halftime and then they pull him? VAJ comes in and takes nothing but sacks? The problem had nothing to do with QB. Pulling him was pointless. At least give him the 1st 2 series of the 2nd H to see if the could keep up the better performance.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 14, 2024, 03:27:24 PMEDIT: Hollins has been the target 25% of the time on passing plays. This is the equivalent of us losing Schoen. In 2023 he was targeted 111 time.
Hollins was huge in '23, but has been mostly useless in '24 (when not in the tub). Maybe 1-2 good games. I know, I was picking him a lot in fantasy. He's been dropsies and whiffsies for most of the year.
You know some Rs come back from big injuries and they just never regain form? Ya, that smells like Hollins. He was basically being used as decoy since he clearly couldn't catch anymore. And he's a very good, fast decoy that Ds have to respect.
They probably let him walk in FA, or make him take a big pay cut. And I would hard pass on him.
Quote from: markf on September 14, 2024, 03:00:21 PMB.C. has shown that they have a good running game. Q.B. struggling a bit? help him out. run the ball.
BC had a great running game vs MTL, which clearly was just the OC/HC allowing Stanback his "revenge". But most (not all) of the season they did their normal BC thing of pretending to honor the run, but clearly just using it to set up a pass-mostly game later on.
The big problem I see in the BC O is that if a team "has their number" early in a game, they simply cannot adjust. Look at the '23 WDF; look at the BC@WPG game where we shut them out; and one other loss they had this year. If a D is shutting them down, they just keep hammering the same plays to no avail, then basically give up at halftime. It's bizarre, and it doesn't bode well for their GC hopes.
And the problem clearly isn't the QB. It's the braintrust.
Quote from: dd on September 14, 2024, 02:37:52 PMwho d have figured Edmonton would rise from the dead like they have but we win next game and first place for us looks very good
Who'd have figured WPG would rise from the dead this season too! (Well, us optimists knew.)
Remember, we were more dead than EDM! We got a win later than they did!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2024, 02:03:27 AMHollins was huge in '23, but has been mostly useless in '24 (when not in the tub). Maybe 1-2 good games. I know, I was picking him a lot in fantasy. He's been dropsies and whiffsies for most of the year.
You know some Rs come back from big injuries and they just never regain form? Ya, that smells like Hollins. He was basically being used as decoy since he clearly couldn't catch anymore. And he's a very good, fast decoy that Ds have to respect.
They probably let him walk in FA, or make him take a big pay cut. And I would hard pass on him.
He's 3rd in the league in receiving. 15.7 yard and on pace to beat his total from 2023.
Quote from: DM83 on September 14, 2024, 01:22:54 PMBc. Has no money left to pay anyone of ability for their defense. Both QBs are figuratively running into each other. And what's the stupid idea of turning them into pocket passers.???
They have unlimited money now. They clearly don't care about the SMS. I wouldn't put it past them to pick up any late big $$ castoffs that look promising. In for a SMS overage penny, in for a 1 million overage pound. Past $300k there is no further real penalty, so if you're already at $300k, might as well go $1M.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 14, 2024, 09:48:02 AMDazed and Confused Campbell does not impress me as coach.
I think Campbell is an exceptional during-the-week coach, but a horrible in-game coach. They can come up with amazing plans tailored to the opponent. But have no ability to adjust course in-game if it isn't working.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 15, 2024, 02:13:40 AMHe's 3rd in the league in receiving. 15.7 yard and on pace to beat his total from 2023.
Ya, a couple of big games will do that. Probably the one against us when we were sucking early in the season ;D ;D
It doesn't mean as much this season as so many big receivers are missing some games on the IR (including Hollins). And no R is being consistently high-yardage. It's a weird season. I wonder how the receiving yards compares to last season at this point. I'm not sure, statswise, but this is my impression following fantasy stats.
Rourke is an immature, self centred spoiled brat. I would hate to be his teammate. He isn't as good as he thinks he is, and I can really see why he didn't stick in the nfl——he isn't really THAT good.
The media goes out of its way every time possible to 'sell' Rourke as a Qb, only because he's Canadian. Tired of it. Tired of his smug holier than thou personality. Hope he struggles the rest of the year and the Lions go to zero with a bullet.
Quote from: dd on September 15, 2024, 03:18:27 AMRourke is an immature, self centred spoiled brat. I would hate to be his teammate. He isn't as good as he thinks he is, and I can really see why he didn't stick in the nfl——he isn't really THAT good.
I think he's good, but he's not consistent. And he was thrust in very quickly and early. Most good CFL QBs put in their 2-3 seasons as understudies. Almost none of them start meaningful games in year 1 or even year 2.
At the start of '24 he basically had 1.5 years under his belt. It's a big ask to make him the league-top$$ QB and get the home team to the GC. Not many could take the pressure with only 1.5 years dev.
I think he's young, and will make "rookie" mistakes, and have setbacks. He does seem to have the tools, though I'm still not sure what his IQ level is.
The main thing if you're Rourke or BC is you don't want to destroy him mentally and emotionally having thrust him into this position. But they kind of put everyone in a bind where it may be impossible to reverse course. Everyone hopes he's not another Jennings.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2024, 03:32:20 AMI think he's good, but he's not consistent. And he was thrust in very quickly and early. Most good CFL QBs put in their 2-3 seasons as understudies. Almost none of them start meaningful games in year 1 or even year 2.
At the start of '24 he basically had 1.5 years under his belt. It's a big ask to make him the league-top$$ QB and get the home team to the GC. Not many could take the pressure with only 1.5 years dev.
I think he's young, and will make "rookie" mistakes, and have setbacks. He does seem to have the tools, though I'm still not sure what his IQ level is.
The main thing if you're Rourke or BC is you don't want to destroy him mentally and emotionally having thrust him into this position. But they kind of put everyone in a bind where it may be impossible to reverse course. Everyone hopes he's not another Jennings.
You've referenced Jennings multiple times as a failure, just so you know he had shoulder surgery and never regained his arm strength or his accuracy, which lead to his demise in Ottawa.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 15, 2024, 06:08:27 AMYou've referenced Jennings multiple times as a failure, just so you know he had shoulder surgery and never regained his arm strength or his accuracy, which lead to his demise in Ottawa.
My memory is hazy, and not sure how to look up this type of info, but wasn't he going bad before surgery? I'm trying to remember the sequence of events and what team he was on when he got the surgery.
I don't mean to pick on a guy ruined by injury, I'm just looking at the play level, regardless of reason. If you suck, no one cares why, you're going to get cut. Happened to one of my favorite QBs ever: Nichols. It's sad.
I'll keep using Jennings as my example of my "promising young/new guy who briefly lights up the league on a good team then peters out on weaker teams". If you prefer, remove Jennings and we'll shorten my main list to Franklin/Arbuckle. My main point isn't the "who", it's that this class of QB exists, and it's a warning for GMs who are too quick to risk it all on non-vet QBs.
Who knows, the latest additions to this list may be: Rourke, Kelly, Alexander!! History says 1 or 2 of these guys may turn into a bust. And the funny thing is: it's not always who you think it will be.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2024, 08:48:29 AMI'll keep using Jennings as my example of my "promising young/new guy who briefly lights up the league on a good team then peters out on weaker teams". If you prefer, remove Jennings and we'll shorten my main list to Franklin/Arbuckle. My main point isn't the "who", it's that this class of QB exists, and it's a warning for GMs who are too quick to risk it all on non-vet QBs.
Casey Printers is the poster boy and ever shall remain so. Once upon a time the highest paid player in the league based on one good season.
Chad Kelly
" The controversial passer indicated in several social media posts that he was keeping track of those who spoke negatively about him amidst the allegations, but declined to comment when asked if Rourke's tweet provided him with extra motivation against B.C."
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/14/i-stand-by-what-i-said-b-c-lions-qb-nathan-rourke-doesnt-regret-chad-kelly-harassment-comments-despite-loss-to-argos/
Lions fans are in meltdown mode. $1M tied up in QB SMS and they are losing. IMO it falls largely on their OC and that penchant for the deep ball / big play offence. An inability to stick with any run game.
Lions defence is not getting the opponent off the field. That's a bit of a two street since their offence doesn't stay on the field when they have the ball.
It's the time of the year where we'll see roster adjustments. Some injured players will return or be added from NFL cuts. Small possibilities of trade speculation will come up.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 15, 2024, 02:16:01 AMThey have unlimited money now. They clearly don't care about the SMS. I wouldn't put it past them to pick up any late big $$ castoffs that look promising. In for a SMS overage penny, in for a 1 million overage pound. Past $300k there is no further real penalty, so if you're already at $300k, might as well go $1M.
Yup, I'm sure Doman would love to throw away an extra million. That seems like a sound business decision.
I'm sure "unlimited money" would have done better against the Argos, no?
Quote from: Jesse on September 15, 2024, 04:12:35 PMYup, I'm sure Doman would love to throw away an extra million. That seems like a sound business decision.
When all the money spent doesn't get the job done, I wonder if Doman starts meddling with the coaching staff and turfs Campbell.
I really like the Argo's front 7. Would like to have some of that pass rush.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 15, 2024, 10:49:25 PMI really like the Argo's front 7. Would like to have some of that pass rush.
Their front 4-5 (including Parish) was outstanding against BC. Their LB to me are not league best, but once they get McManis back, that could change.
Quote from: Jesse on September 15, 2024, 04:12:35 PMYup, I'm sure Doman would love to throw away an extra million. That seems like a sound business decision.
1. When you're made of money, $1M+$3M fine is nothing.
2. What is it worth to have BC in their home GC? It's a huge stadium. 10k more tickets sold? 20k? $400 avg x 10k = $4M... well look at that, eh?
3. Once you've gone over $300k + fines, why not do more? Ya he probably won't reach $1M, but why not blow another $100k on 1-2 misc pickups to make them unbeatable in the WDF? Then do it again... and again...
I would have never thought such a thing was possible, but then they bought Betts after already being way over with Rourke. Now anything is possible. Only if Ambrosie gave them a call to rein them in will the shenanigans stop. Did Ambrosie do that?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 16, 2024, 05:05:50 AM1. When you're made of money, $1M+$3M fine is nothing.
2. What is it worth to have BC in their home GC? It's a huge stadium. 10k more tickets sold? 20k? $400 avg x 10k = $4M... well look at that, eh?
3. Once you've gone over $300k + fines, why not do more? Ya he probably won't reach $1M, but why not blow another $100k on 1-2 misc pickups to make them unbeatable in the WDF? Then do it again... and again...
I would have never thought such a thing was possible, but then they bought Betts after already being way over with Rourke. Now anything is possible. Only if Ambrosie gave them a call to rein them in will the shenanigans stop. Did Ambrosie do that?
Most people who are "made of money" don't get there by wasting millions of it in fines.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 16, 2024, 05:05:50 AM1. When you're made of money, $1M+$3M fine is nothing.
2. What is it worth to have BC in their home GC? It's a huge stadium. 10k more tickets sold? 20k? $400 avg x 10k = $4M... well look at that, eh?
3. Once you've gone over $300k + fines, why not do more? Ya he probably won't reach $1M, but why not blow another $100k on 1-2 misc pickups to make them unbeatable in the WDF? Then do it again... and again...
I would have never thought such a thing was possible, but then they bought Betts after already being way over with Rourke. Now anything is possible. Only if Ambrosie gave them a call to rein them in will the shenanigans stop. Did Ambrosie do that?
Absolutely nuts. Not to mention there are no known top players just floating around waiting to be signed. Even if there were there is no guarantee it automatically gets them into the Grey Cup.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 16, 2024, 05:05:50 AM1. When you're made of money, $1M+$3M fine is nothing.
2. What is it worth to have BC in their home GC? It's a huge stadium. 10k more tickets sold? 20k? $400 avg x 10k = $4M... well look at that, eh?
3. Once you've gone over $300k + fines, why not do more? Ya he probably won't reach $1M, but why not blow another $100k on 1-2 misc pickups to make them unbeatable in the WDF? Then do it again... and again...
I would have never thought such a thing was possible, but then they bought Betts after already being way over with Rourke. Now anything is possible. Only if Ambrosie gave them a call to rein them in will the shenanigans stop. Did Ambrosie do that?
I think you're underestimating the pier pressure Doman will be subjected to when sitting down with fellow owners at league meetings. As a new owner they won't be shy to scold him for breaking league guidelines and potentially upsetting league parity if he goes off on a free-spending spree. Unless he's an F.U. type guy, he'll probably tone down his spending and fall in line with the wishes of the majority of team representatives.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 16, 2024, 07:34:35 PMI think you're underestimating the pier pressure Doman will be subjected to when sitting down with fellow owners at league meetings. As a new owner they won't be shy to scold him for breaking league guidelines and potentially upsetting league parity if he goes off on a free-spending spree. Unless he's an F.U. type guy, he'll probably tone down his spending and fall in line with the wishes of the majority of team representatives.
I don't think this is relevant.
Doman hasn't done anything new or Earth-shattering. I don't think he's anywhere near as high on spending as techno keeps proclaiming. And the rules are in place to keep people from spending too high. A few teams are fined most years because things happen. No one is getting "peer-pressured" at league meetings.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 16, 2024, 07:34:35 PMI think you're underestimating the pier pressure Doman will be subjected to when sitting down with fellow owners at league meetings. As a new owner they won't be shy to scold him for breaking league guidelines and potentially upsetting league parity if he goes off on a free-spending spree.
I fully agree. I think the league is also getting involved and sent messages to him. That Ambrosie thing in a pre-game show the other week was probably a coded message to Doman: "cool it with the SMS overspend".
He probably doesn't want to be a pariah in the league with TPTB or the other owners. Unless he really is a big DB... in which case he can tell them all to pound sand. What are they going to do, force him to sell the team or the league takes it over? That would be disaster for the CFL, not for Doman, who almost certainly is losing money every year on the Lions. Who has who by the short ones?
However, I have no doubt that an out of line team can face other pressures and punishments (maybe hidden) from the league.
Quote from: Jesse on September 16, 2024, 11:41:55 PMDoman hasn't done anything new or Earth-shattering. I don't think he's anywhere near as high on spending as techno keeps proclaiming. And the rules are in place to keep people from spending too high. A few teams are fined most years because things happen. No one is getting "peer-pressured" at league meetings.
You act like it's just me. I got all my numbers from other sources, articles and posters. I didn't come up with them and I am not the main proponent.
And owners definitely feel a peer pressure among their group, just as players feel a peer pressure amongst theirs. (FIFO anyone?) The dynamic exists in all 6+ person groups. I'm on a couple of boards and you can see it in action in every meeting. Nothing says you have to succumb, but it definitely exists!
P.S. Betts & Rourke signings are not mere "things happening".
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 17, 2024, 01:50:37 AMYou act like it's just me. I got all my numbers from other sources, articles and posters. I didn't come up with them and I am not the main proponent.
And owners definitely feel a peer pressure among their group, just as players feel a peer pressure amongst theirs. (FIFO anyone?) The dynamic exists in all 6+ person groups. I'm on a couple of boards and you can see it in action in every meeting. Nothing says you have to succumb, but it definitely exists!
P.S. Betts & Rourke signings are not mere "things happening".
Fair enough!
Let's just say I take things with a grain of salt. Some of the media reporting all of this loves to stir things up (that's the job). We don't know how much they had on the cap, so we don't know how much half a salary for two players is going to push them over. But you keep taking that amount of uncertainty and talking about it like they're ready to throw the cap away entirely.
Quote from: Jesse on September 17, 2024, 11:00:48 AMWe don't know how much they had on the cap, so we don't know how much half a salary for two players is going to push them over. But you keep taking that amount of uncertainty and talking about it like they're ready to throw the cap away entirely.
Fair enough.
Us uberfans (you included) tend to have a feel for how much a team is spending. We can glance at the week 1 roster and probably guess whether they are in cap h.e.hockeysticks or not: mainly because our team is in it! You also look at who a team was
forced to shed in FA. If they're shedding mid-priced guys that are "keepers", then that is further proof of cap problems. M.Mitchell over J.Grant? Wheatfall over Bailey? Fox/Adams over Walker? Haba over Jeffcoat? Heavy proof of cap issues.
Look at BC's roster, even without Betts/Rourke. It's not ELC nobodies, it's got more star vets than we do! Their R corps with the 2 H's and McInnis/Cottoy, plus Stanback: very expensive leaders in their category. Only one ELC in the R/RB corps! One of the league-best vet OLs. Extreme vet DBs. Coveted QB (VAJ). League best K... I could go on.
So any uber-fan looks at all that and instinctively knows BC is as tight to the cap as WPG, and we know for a fact WPG is at the extreme limits because KW came right out and told us.
Now look at MTL, with 75% of their best players on ELC! That's why they could bring in Sankey et al late and barely reach the cap. You look at their week 1 roster and it seems like the cheapest one in the league. We all would die for that many all-star ELCs. (And it'll be their turn to be in major cap trouble next season, with a ton of player sheds.)
Yes, instincts can be wrong and no one except BC GM can be certain of anything, and I could be massively wrong. But my logic is sound and my gut is screaming and many in the media and forums (peer uber-fans) are saying the same thing. So my guess shall remain "way over cap" just as your guess will remain "probably only over by a normal amount".
The beauty of it is, we all will learn the 100% pure truth in about 4 months when the league publishes the cap overages. But just because that will happen, doesn't mean we can't b & m about it now, eh? It's better to do so now because by Jan '25 I bet no one will really care what the true numbers are because it will be water under the bridge.
Lastly, I think it's important we keep on BC's case because I'm not sure they're done yet... 50/50 chance they do another splash signing before the playoffs. There should be some level of outrage now, because such a move should warrant
extreme outrage. I guess I can save my whinging for the next development: I've said basically everything there is to say. I'm sure everyone's already come to their own conclusion already.
Word from 3down is Hollins has a dislocated shoulder. So he should be back this season (unlike a broken collar bone).