Both teams on the bye, confirmed by Edmonton it will be Ford vs Ford as their Ford gets the start. Bit surprised at that given how MBT has been playing.
The two brothers are spending the bye week together.
Edmonton has turned the corner and they have some players on their team. This away game will not be easy for the Bombers.
What the Qb depth chart will look like will be a topic of discussion - expect Strev to go on the 6 game.
3 teams on bye this week - thankfully NFL is around
I think its wise of Edmonton to start Ford-- his scrambling ability will give our defense fits, and if MBT starts, he would be picked off severly by our secondary. I think Ford will run away from Willy and Kramdi's side and take his chances running vs our heavier and slower linebackers. Its unconventional, but I would start a speed guy like Holm or Kramdi as our other DE and send him in on contain and make Ford pass the ball. He scrambles and its going to be a long day for us
Quote from: dd on September 08, 2024, 11:48:39 PMI think its wise of Edmonton to start Ford-- his scrambling ability will give our defense fits, and if MBT starts, he would be picked off severly by our secondary. I think Ford will run away from Willy and Kramdi's side and take his chances running vs our heavier and slower linebackers. Its unconventional, but I would start a speed guy like Holm or Kramdi as our other DE and send him in on contain and make Ford pass the ball. He scrambles and its going to be a long day for us
Hard pass on DB/LB as DE
Spy him yes
Get Ford to spy Ford. How can the Bombers lose that match up? :D
Edmonton is a lot better than the Riders. Going to be tough games. Don't think we can beat them on the offensive or defensive lines.
Collaros seems to be more effective right now when hes not playing with a lead. More assertive and looking to push the ball downfield.
When we have the lead even a small one our whole offence gets conservative and Zac Gets tentative becoming a game manager rather than a driver.
I get it esp in 4th qtr but its keeping games close where anything can happen
I think our O is at there best when they play up-tempo.
Quote from: Pete on September 09, 2024, 04:03:20 PMCollaros seems to be more effective right now when hes not playing with a lead. More assertive and looking to push the ball downfield.
When we have the lead even a small one our whole offence gets conservative and Zac Gets tentative becoming a game manager rather than a driver.
I get it esp in 4th qtr but its keeping games close where anything can happen
I disagree, a game manager takes what is given and easily moves the ball down field bit by bit, ie Matt Nichols. Zach spends most of the game looking for lower percentage big shots to move the ball in bigger chunks and teams are not giving those plays up easily. He needs to use more than Brady as an outlet to be an effective game manager.
Quote from: dd on September 08, 2024, 11:48:39 PMbut I would start a speed guy like Holm or Kramdi as our other DE and send him in on contain and make Ford pass the ball. He scrambles and its going to be a long day for us
We basically already do this when we rush 3, and guys like Hallett#21 are flat-roamers and spies who rush the QB if they roll out of the pocket. I would expect we continue with that.
Whether the extra DI is a guy like Bridges or we use a more traditional position, remains to be seen. Ford is run-mostly ya, but he's a pipsqueak with no beef, so putting extra beefy LBers or DTs in buys you nothing.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 09, 2024, 01:07:50 AMGet Ford to spy Ford. How can the Bombers lose that match up? :D
If Ford & Ford are 1-on-1 in a blitz and it turns into the Irish rushing the Irish scene in Braveheart... and they have a handshake and greetings instead of a tackle
Quote from: Pigskin on September 09, 2024, 04:19:26 PMI think our O is at there best when they play up-tempo.
Except in every single game we spend at least 3Q bleeding the clock like crazy. We are the master clock-bleeders and our strategy in every game is to shorten the game while keeping it close.
We save the tempo O game only when we're down to end the game, or when it's a 2 min drill to end the first half to get points.
But yes, MOS/Mafia have perfected the tempo game probably better than any other team in the league, and they did so back in like 2017. Clearly it was/is a priority, as that's how you win the close games we try to create.
Watching how pathetic other teams' tempo is gives you a warm fuzzy feeling inside. Even powerhouses like TOR and BC stink at it. MTL is probably the best one after us.
I was surprised to see Edmonton has put up 385 points to lead the league. However there D has allowed 342 points which is the 3rd. worst in the CFL.
ZC8: 242/354 PCT. 68.4% 2932 yards, 8.3 Avg. 8 TDs, 13 Ints. 24 Sacks.
BO20: 158/894 yards, 5.66 Avg. Longest run 28 yards.
Wilson: 50/789 yards, 15.78 Avg. 191 Yac.
Best Yac: BO20 322, ND10 249.
DS83: 3 games, 14/159. Johnson: 10 games, 18/138 yards, 97 Yac.
Best KR: Case 25.17 avg. Longest 38 yards. PR: 252 yards, 1050 avg. Lucky 10.86 avg.
Holm: 57 DTs 2 STs.
BA37: 49 DTs.
Kramdi: 45 DTs.
Ford: 35 DTs, 3 STs, 6 Int.
WJ5: 22 DTs, 6 sacks.
JT95: 19 DTs, 1 sack.
Adams: 14 DTs, 4 Sacks.
CAD: 13 STs
Ayers: 12 STs
Grif: 11 STs.
295 PF, Strev/Castillo 205 of those 295.
Another 18 points score by the D and teams.
Elks are closing in on the Sliders for 3rd spot. OTOH, we don't want to be the team that loses our hold on 1st place. Time to close the door on the Elks come back.
Ford can run and is most dangerous when he breaks contain. That's where we need to focus by keeping him the pocket. I don't think he can be as successful if we do that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 10, 2024, 08:21:21 PMElks are closing in on the Sliders for 3rd spot. OTOH, we don't want to be the team that loses our hold on 1st place. Time to close the door on the Elks come back.
Ford can run and is most dangerous when he breaks contain. That's where we need to focus by keeping him the pocket. I don't think he can be as successful if we do that.
They have a couple of weapons in there running game. I think they will go run heavy to start the game.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 10, 2024, 09:54:42 PMThey have a couple of weapons in there running game. I think they will go run heavy to start the game.
They have 3 good RB's on their AR. We have to use a different strategy to fill that gaps and not have 9 guys drop into coverage every play. Ford may become a good passer in time but he's not a QB that can or will sit in the pocket and find open receivers.
The discussion last week was about adding Bridges instead of Adams for DL depth ( maybe that's a roster juggle for Edm.
So how did we have Ayers in coverage on the 1st Rider TD instead of any of the 9 DB's we had on the roster?
It's hard to keep up with the personnel changes play to play to identify who came off when someone came on.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 10, 2024, 10:22:44 PMThey have 3 good RB's on their AR. We have to use a different strategy to fill that gaps and not have 9 guys drop into coverage every play. Ford may become a good passer in time but he's not a QB that can or will sit in the pocket and find open receivers.
The discussion last week was about adding Bridges instead of Adams for DL depth ( maybe that's a roster juggle for Edm.
So how did we have Ayers in coverage on the 1st Rider TD instead of any of the 9 DB's we had on the roster?
It's hard to keep up with the personnel changes play to play to identify who came off when someone came on.
I believe it was Bonds that blew that coverage.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 10, 2024, 09:54:42 PMThey have a couple of weapons in there running game. I think they will go run heavy to start the game.
Strangely, EDM O is very balanced (with MBT at least) the last few weeks. Even with 3 IMP RB (impossible!!) dressed they aren't going run-mostly. The 3rd guy (the rookie) barely got any touches last week. It seems a stupid use of the roster to me.
With Ford in they will do way more run packages, but half the time it'll probably be Ford running, not the RB. We'll need speed to stop Ford running, not beef. Same with Brown, he's small. Leake is a tweener, and the new guy I don't even know.
Maybe bringing in our fastest LBers and DEs would be better than more DBs?
Quote from: Pigskin on September 10, 2024, 11:21:03 PMI believe it was Bonds that blew that coverage.
SSK was definitely picking on Bonds in the games. Not that he's bad, but he's definitely the "weak link" because the rest are so good. He got caught cheating up on the short pass to get torched on the deep ball how many times?? Hopefully they are correcting that with him, or giving him some help over the top.
It will be a battle of who wants to win the game more. I think the BB will ultimately win but it will be a tough one.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 10, 2024, 11:21:03 PMI believe it was Bonds that blew that coverage.
I still haven't watched the game again. So it isn't always what it looks like on TV as to who made a given mistake.
It doesn't change the question as to why Ayers was that deep or even on the field on that given play instead of another DB.
EDIT: Ok, Ayers was in at MLB instead of Gauthier. I wonder if anybody has snaps counts for both but at least he's getting reps on defence more as the season progresses.
I saw Bonds out wide at the beginning of the play but he was lost in view on TV as the play continued. It may have been an error by Bond as suggested. Only the coaches and those at the game know with certainty.
Oakman: 9 games, 21 DTs, 3 Sacks, 1 FF. Would have looked good in Blue and Gold.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 11, 2024, 07:30:01 PMOakman: 9 games, 21 DTs, 3 Sacks, 1 FF. Would have looked good in Blue and Gold.
Our guys are cheaper and have upside.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 11, 2024, 07:30:01 PMOakman: 9 games, 21 DTs, 3 Sacks, 1 FF. Would have looked good in Blue and Gold.
Ex-Argo though. I dunno. Maybe you mean his stats would have looked good in Blue and Gold? :-)
Elks have signed ac Leonard, number of teams getting stronger midseason like Als did last year, unfortunately we aren't one of them
Quote from: Pete on September 14, 2024, 09:58:38 PMElks have signed ac Leonard, number of teams getting stronger midseason like Als did last year, unfortunately we aren't one of them
Good pickup, born and bred clone of Willie J. molded by Chris Jones.
Going to be a really tough game I think, this is a very different elks team than beginning of the year.
So, AC Leonard was sitting on his couch until now?
Why?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2024, 12:49:35 AMGoing to be a really tough game I think, this is a very different elks team than beginning of the year.
Tell me about it. Boy, did we have bad luck not being able to fight EDM when they stunk for half a season. Other W teams got to get EDM out of the way early on. We get a home&home when they're good!
However, no crying; we're used to this. We often have a bad-luck schedule. I think we'll actually play better against a good EDM. I only worry about injuries. When is our injury luck going to change? Surely it must?
Quote from: theaardvark on September 16, 2024, 02:43:36 AMSo, AC Leonard was sitting on his couch until now?
Why?
He's geriatric?
Pulled a Lemon by holding out for big $$?
Didn't he have some injury issues?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 16, 2024, 05:17:53 AMTell me about it. Boy, did we have bad luck not being able to fight EDM when they stunk for half a season. Other W teams got to get EDM out of the way early on. We get a home&home when they're good!
However, no crying; we're used to this. We often have a bad-luck schedule. I think we'll actually play better against a good EDM. I only worry about injuries. When is our injury luck going to change? Surely it must?
Injury luck? That excuse has been dead since the beginning of August.
Johnson released
WR Drew Wolitarsky to 6-game injured list
RB Michael Chris-Ike to Game Roster
WR Keric Wheatfall to Game Roster
They also sign QB Darren Grainger, WR Penny Scott and DB Russell Dandy & DL Brandon Wright to practice roster
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2024, 11:54:55 PMJohnson released
WR Drew Wolitarsky to 6-game injured list
RB Michael Chris-Ike to Game Roster
WR Keric Wheatfall to Game Roster
They also sign QB Darren Grainger, WR Penny Scott and DB Russell Dandy & DL Brandon Wright to practice roster
Grainger and Dandy were with them in TC, maybe others too. WR Scott Penny?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2024, 11:54:55 PMJohnson released
WR Drew Wolitarsky to 6-game injured list
RB Michael Chris-Ike to Game Roster
WR Keric Wheatfall to Game Roster
They also sign QB Darren Grainger, WR Penny Scott and DB Russell Dandy & DL Brandon Wright to practice roster
So after all that time invested they release Josh Johnson now??? I get that fans don't always understand what we're looking at, but what were they looking at for 13 games that kept him on the roster?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 17, 2024, 12:21:58 AMSo after all that time invested they release Josh Johnson now??? I get that fans don't always understand what we're looking at, but what were they looking at for 13 games that kept him on the roster?
Yeah this is a bit of a surprise releasing him this far in
Johnson may have refused a PR spot.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 16, 2024, 04:58:08 PMInjury luck? That excuse has been dead since the beginning of August.
Uh... Biggie out for the season, Woli likely out until playoffs, Big Stan missing 3 games (maybe more), Wallace out a long time, Neufeld out a ton of games, best FB Feltmate more out than in, our jumbo cupboard empty for some games...
Ya, injuries have continued to bite us non-stop this whole season. It has never stopped. I only pray it stops now. We need the top guys (who are still standing!) full health going into the playoffs.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 16, 2024, 11:54:55 PMJohnson released
WR Drew Wolitarsky to 6-game injured list
RB Michael Chris-Ike to Game Roster
WR Keric Wheatfall to Game Roster
They also sign QB Darren Grainger, WR Penny Scott and DB Russell Dandy & DL Brandon Wright to practice roster
Pretty much the only play he ran was the sweep and unsuccessfully however part of that may be due to lack of mobility and time together of oline. Lofton, Neufeld, kolo don't seem to get in front. Also effects the rest of run game.
Watching nfl the other day one of the biggest diff is how fast and athletic oline and dt are. Don't see the big gut like some of our linemen
Bombers seem to be the under dogs for this game. Perfect. We have them just where we want them.
Quote from: Pete on September 17, 2024, 02:46:21 PMWatching nfl the other day one of the biggest diff is how fast and athletic oline and dt are. Don't see the big gut like some of our linemen
Hard to be 350 lbs without a gut. The ones with more meat seem to do better than the scrawns.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2024, 06:24:07 PMBombers seem to be the under dogs for this game. Perfect. We have them just where we want them.
I wonder if Vegas is stupid enough to put us as underdogs. I'll be taking that bet!
Johnson was around because he could block. Lasted longer because of injuries at receiver and FB. As we get healthy he was no longer needed. Maybe he can resurface next year. I didn't mind him. Needed to have a breakout game and that didn't happen. Tough business.
Wilson back? See below.
Will be a tough game but we should be able to beat em if the stars align.
Excited to see if Wheatfall can continue to harvest ;)
Elks
Player Name Position Injury TUE WED COLLECT Game Status
Tanner Green FB Ankle Limited
Tomas Jack-Kurdyla OL Knee Limited
Javon Leake RB Non-football related DNP
Marcus Lewis DB Foot Limited
Hergy Mayala WR Calf DNP
Romeo McKnight DL Ankle Limited
Jacob Plamondon FB Elbow Limited
Josiah Schakel LB Thigh Limited
Quote from: Pete on September 17, 2024, 02:46:21 PMPretty much the only play he ran was the sweep and unsuccessfully however part of that may be due to lack of mobility and time together of oline. Lofton, Neufeld, kolo don't seem to get in front. Also effects the rest of run game.
Watching nfl the other day one of the biggest diff is how fast and athletic oline and dt are. Don't see the big gut like some of our linemen
Also, Bailey was a good blocker on that type of play. Current guys maybe not as good as he was/is.
Someone was asking about viewing parties a few weeks ago
Looks like Kyrie Wilson could be good to go on Saturday. If he can cobble together a good level of play for the rest of the season I like what we can do with him on one side and a rotation of Ayers and Gauthier in the middle.
A healthy Wilson back would be a big boost to the defense.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 18, 2024, 03:09:14 PMLooks like Kyrie Wilson could be good to go on Saturday. If he can cobble together a good level of play for the rest of the season I like what we can do with him on one side and a rotation of Ayers and Gauthier in the middle.
You prefer Ayers to Jones in the middle? If we drop Bridges in the secondary it would be possible to have all 3 on the AR.
Jones has been getting more reps on defence and is slightly bigger. I do think Ayers is developing into a good player and has been progressing when he gets reps.
Agree, i would see Jones in middle with Wilson and Kramdl , then Ayers and Griffin subbing in
Not sure where cole fits in, likely lost his spot to Ayers
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 18, 2024, 03:17:47 PMYou prefer Ayers to Jones in the middle? If we drop Bridges in the secondary it would be possible to have all 3 on the AR.
Jones has been getting more reps on defence and is slightly bigger. I do think Ayers is developing into a good player and has been progressing when he gets reps.
I don't think I prefer Ayers to Jones actually, and you're probably right, moving Jones to MLB makes the most sense. As long as Wilson stays healthy we have a few decent options.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 18, 2024, 03:33:56 PMI don't think I prefer Ayers to Jones actually, and you're probably right, moving Jones to MLB makes the most sense. As long as Wilson stays healthy we have a few decent options.
Jones started some games in Edmonton last year and has more CFL experience in general than Ayers. Wilson is a tackling machine and would be very good against the run.
I see a remote chance that Wilson could move to MLB being more familiar with the Bomber defence and in a leadership role. I'm not knocking Jones at MLB and both are very versatile. It's just that Wilson is in his 7th season with the Bombers.
I think our defensive game plan will be directed towards the Elks run game and getting to Ford. He's not a pocket passer and can be influenced into making mistakes. OTOH their run game can be an issue from their RB's and if he escapes the pocket.
So I think we'll see less 3 man fronts but exactly how we adjust and use LB's or DB's is more of a question. Our LB's have size and weight compared to our DB's but they are also very quick. We may see them used in blitz packages etc.
Depth chart won't really tell us much and I'd expect we'll see different players rotate into multiple positions. That should help confuse Ford and hopefully cause errors.
Count me in for Wilson-Jones-Kramdi, with Gauthier as a potential passing down/rotation/3-4 guy.
No change day 2 both teams in terms of injury reports
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 18, 2024, 08:26:52 PMNo change day 2 both teams
Whitehead is looking a little iffy for this week. He was dinged going into the last game. Could result in a change at returner.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 18, 2024, 03:09:14 PMLooks like Kyrie Wilson could be good to go on Saturday. If he can cobble together a good level of play for the rest of the season I like what we can do with him on one side and a rotation of Ayers and Gauthier in the middle.
That's the $1M question, eh? Can Jones or Wilson effectively play MLB. Neither is very big (Sankey or even Biggie size). I think Wilson is the smaller. You generally want your speed at WILL to deal with the edge and hitches, and your beef at MLB to stop the gut run.
Jones has been a tackling machine and shown as much speed as Wilson, so in that sense I would stick with the hot hand and keep starting him at WILL. If Jones can also play MLB then start him at MLB.
But if you need to choose only 1 of Wilson/Jones at WILL, and a 3rd guy at MLB, then I'm starting Jones and Wilson can backup/DI. We might do that anyhow to ease Wilson back in.
On the bright side, EDM's top 2 RBs are speed backs, with only that less-played 3rd guy having any beef. So both our potential WILLs should excel against them, if they can avoid the hoggie blocking assault. I expect a whole ton of BA37 cheating up to the line on run support. Might make us vulnerable to trick post shots.
It will be a very interesting roster release this week!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2024, 10:10:52 PMIt will be a very interesting roster release this week!
What excites me about the roster for this week is the number of healthy bodies we are starting to get back and what it could mean to our fortunes going forward if it continues.
On offense, for example, having Lawler, Wilson, and Wheatfall all available weapons to Zach is going to be very interesting. Who do you double-team now, Lawler, leaving a burner like Wheatfall one-on-one, or a clutch receiver like Wilson one-on-one? How is that going to turn out?
Between Brady O running the ball with our restored O-line and the extra pass protection for Zach it's going to be exciting to see what kind of game plan Buck draws up for the Elks. I can't wait!
If Lucky can't go I wonder if we activate the KR/PR we just signed on to the PR.
I assume we'll also add a QB to the active roster too?
https://winnipegsun.com/sports/blue-bombers-mike-oshea-applauds-crackdown-on-late-qb-hits
Sun article has more info about Big Stan's weird episode, scroll to the middle.
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"Nah, not really," the 38-year-old said. "I'm from the South. Heat won't be a problem. I don't really know too much. Just not feeling like myself. Once I took a knee... it's hard to explain how I felt. It was just a weird feeling. I tried to get up and go again, and just took a knee, and then I just kind of panicked. I just wasn't feeling myself.
"I've never experienced anything like it."
...
read more at the article. Worth the read. Crossing fingers for Big Stan.
So is Bryant scheduled to play this week??
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2024, 10:36:45 PMhttps://winnipegsun.com/sports/blue-bombers-mike-oshea-applauds-crackdown-on-late-qb-hits
I see the pressure on Ambrosie produced SOMETHING. Sure to be tested soon and we'll see if it has teeth. If not, Miller is on the Board of Governors and MOS is on the rules committee.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2024, 10:36:45 PMhttps://winnipegsun.com/sports/blue-bombers-mike-oshea-applauds-crackdown-on-late-qb-hits
Sun article has more info about Big Stan's weird episode, scroll to the middle.
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"Nah, not really," the 38-year-old said. "I'm from the South. Heat won't be a problem. I don't really know too much. Just not feeling like myself. Once I took a knee... it's hard to explain how I felt. It was just a weird feeling. I tried to get up and go again, and just took a knee, and then I just kind of panicked. I just wasn't feeling myself.
"I've never experienced anything like it."
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read more at the article. Worth the read. Crossing fingers for Big Stan.
Poor Stanley. That's tough. Would be scary to feel something was wrong but not sure what it was and then add in 33,000 people watching you. Glad he's on the mend.
Quote from: dd on September 18, 2024, 10:57:12 PMSo is Bryant scheduled to play this week??
From the sounds of it, yes. However, no one has committed to anything yet.
WPG opens up as -1.5 favorites. Vegas got it right, darn!
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 18, 2024, 09:20:20 PMWhitehead is looking a little iffy for this week. He was dinged going into the last game. Could result in a change at returner.
No change to the injury report day 1 and 2 is what I meant, that wasn't clear, but agree. He might not go. Gotta keep him healthy.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 19, 2024, 12:37:39 AMNo change to the injury report day 1 and 2 is what I meant, that wasn't clear, but agree. He might not go. Gotta keep him healthy.
I knew what you meant, it was clear. Just wondering what the status of Whitehead was going to be this week. Technically he doesn't have to practice. Noting that Woli was immediately moved to IR before practice started this week and Whitehead wasn't moved to IR.
So in theory, Whitehead might not be ruled out. O'Shea didn't say one way or the other.
I'm somewhat concerned with the swinging door at receiver with injuries that continues.
Less than 500 tickets left for the Elks. Sell-out shortly. Then we sell out the Argos to finish up the regular season and show the league who has the best fans.Winning cures all.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 19, 2024, 01:12:25 PMI knew what you meant, it was clear. Just wondering what the status of Whitehead was going to be this week. Technically he doesn't have to practice. Noting that Woli was immediately moved to IR before practice started this week and Whitehead wasn't moved to IR.
So in theory, Whitehead might not be ruled out. O'Shea didn't say one way or the other.
I'm somewhat concerned with the swinging door at receiver with injuries that continues.
Good to know, I update my post just so others were not confused. My writing isn't my strength. I'm a numbers guy. The change at receiver each week hasn't helped us but hasn't hurt that much either. I see blocking as key, get our FB back and setup the blocks and should be ok. I am more concerned about Whitehead playing hurt. I am excited for Wheatfall but he will take a few weeks to get to game speed. While Johnson wasn't producing, he would have known his assignments well and we will have a slight drop off with his departure imo. Nice to have receivers on the PR to pick up the slack.
Quote from: BlueFire on September 19, 2024, 01:19:53 PMLess than 500 tickets left for the Elks. Sell-out shortly. Then we sell out the Argos to finish up the regular season and show the league who has the best fans.Winning cures all.
Just amazing and thanks for the update. Happy I got my parking early! :) I have to walk farther for the BB but it was ok and traffic was decent as we got out early. Great time to be a Bomber fan.
I don't have siblings, but I do have two kids. If I told my three year old to go out there and put a clean hit on her brother, she would show no hesitation to lay the lumber.
Tyrell: lay it down.
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 19, 2024, 02:21:03 PMI don't have siblings, but I do have two kids. If I told my three year old to go out there and put a clean hit on her brother, she would show no hesitation to lay the lumber.
Tyrell: lay it down.
And pick off Tre twice. Maybe even thrice.
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 19, 2024, 02:00:40 PMGood to know, I update my post just so others were not confused. My writing isn't my strength. I'm a numbers guy. The change at receiver each week hasn't helped us but hasn't hurt that much either. I see blocking as key, get our FB back and setup the blocks and should be ok. I am more concerned about Whitehead playing hurt. I am excited for Wheatfall but he will take a few weeks to get to game speed. While Johnson wasn't producing, he would have known his assignments well and we will have a slight drop off with his departure imo. Nice to have receivers on the PR to pick up the slack.
Just amazing and thanks for the update. Happy I got my parking early! :) I have to walk farther for the BB but it was ok and traffic was decent as we got out early. Great time to be a Bomber fan.
I think the movement during 2024 of receivers on and off the roster have greatly impacted our offensive output.
Johnson was only targeted 26 times and had 18 receptions.
Clercius was only targeted 25 times and had 19 receptions.
OTOH in 2023 compared to the receivers they replaced:
Schoen targeted 111 times and had 71 receptions. Note: In 3 games in 2024 he was targeted 25 times.
Bailey targeted 70 times and had 46 receptions
Even without looking at yardage and YAC, it's clear that Collaros had trouble with the corps of choices due to injuries. Bombers have been the lowest scoring offence this year as a result.
Wheatfall is a different type of receiver but he was targeted 5 times with 3 receptions in 1 game. He may stretch the defence more than Johnson and Clercius were able to do.
How he can block is a different question we'll have to see going forward.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 19, 2024, 05:18:00 PMI think the movement during 2024 of receivers on and off the roster have greatly impacted our offensive output.
Johnson was only targeted 26 times and had 18 receptions.
Clercius was only targeted 25 times and had 19 receptions.
OTOH in 2023 compared to the receivers they replaced:
Schoen targeted 111 times and had 71 receptions. Note: In 3 games in 2024 he was targeted 25 times.
Bailey targeted 70 times and had 46 receptions
Even without looking at yardage and YAC, it's clear that Collaros had trouble with the corps of choices due to injuries. Bombers have been the lowest scoring offence this year as a result.
Wheatfall is a different type of receiver but he was targeted 5 times with 3 receptions in 1 game. He may stretch the defence more than Johnson and Clercius were able to do.
How he can block is a different question we'll have to see going forward.
Yup it's impacted us but other than Zach's rust to start we found a way and next man has worked, giving us an average pass attack imo, considering the change and injuries it's gone well imo
Wheatfall might have trouble blocking (guess), he will stretch the field after a couple of games
It has been long since last Blue Bomber football!
Can't wait for Saturday. I think the boys will come out gang busters!
Elks beware :)
Injury report
Everyone listed as out for Elks (today no change)
Quote from: blue_or_die on September 19, 2024, 02:21:03 PMI don't have siblings, but I do have two kids. If I told my three year old to go out there and put a clean hit on her brother, she would show no hesitation to lay the lumber.
Tyrell: lay it down.
;D
looks like Wilson, Whitehead and Bryant will be in. For the elks right now Leakes is listed as out which is a big factor for them
Quote from: BlueFire on September 19, 2024, 01:19:53 PMLess than 500 tickets left for the Elks. Sell-out shortly. Then we sell out the Argos to finish up the regular season and show the league who has the best fans.Winning cures all.
Game #1 at home against Montreal - attendance was 30,140 (lost)
Game #2 at home against BC - 31,210 (lost)
Game #3 at home against Ottawa - 28,719 (Win)
Game #4 at home against Calgary - 29,467 (Win)
Game #5 at home against BC - 31,859 (Win)
Game #6 at home against Hamilton - 32,343 (Win)
Game #7 at home against Saskatchewan 32,343 (win)
I believe since 2013 when the Canadian Mafia of Wade Miller, Kyle Walters and Mike O'Shea the attendance has improved. I've been a fan since 1966 and long time season ticket holder and compared to other CFL teams bomber fans have always supported the team win or lose IMO.
seeing that ac leonard is returning I wonder what shape Jeffcoat is in?
Quote from: Pete on September 20, 2024, 02:12:59 AMseeing that ac leonard is returning I wonder what shape Jeffcoat is in?
Why?
We have Haba, Garbutt and Ogbevoen and Owen on the PR.
If Jeffcoat is heathy and in game shape, sure. Not a lot of cost and he is a dynamic player. But I think Haba or Garbutt is better than an 80% Jeffcoat..
Quote from: theaardvark on September 20, 2024, 03:22:32 AMWhy?
We have Haba, Garbutt and Ogbevoen and Owen on the PR.
If Jeffcoat is heathy and in game shape, sure. Not a lot of cost and he is a dynamic player. But I think Haba or Garbutt is better than an 80% Jeffcoat..
Haba and Garbutt together 13 games, 13 DTs, 1 Sack.
So yes, I would like to see us improve our DE position. Maybe a player like Shane Ray who is currently a FA.
Quote from: BlueFire on September 19, 2024, 01:19:53 PMLess than 500 tickets left for the Elks. Sell-out shortly. Then we sell out the Argos to finish up the regular season and show the league who has the best fans.Winning cures all.
The "cold" games are nearly impossible to sell out, except maybe a home WDF... and even then! Only the diehards go to a reg season game when it's below -5C w/windchill.
Thankfully, the schedule makers were really smart with
@WPG games this year. Only 1 cold game, and, because it's mid-month and not the usual end-of-month, there's a good chance it won't even be cold yet.
The home WDF game... that'll be a different story!
Quote from: Pete on September 20, 2024, 02:12:59 AMseeing that ac leonard is returning I wonder what shape Jeffcoat is in?
Jeffcoat retired.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 20, 2024, 01:34:30 PMJeffcoat retired.
Players also un-retire. I'm not suggesting he will or we want him to but that doesn't close the door.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 20, 2024, 01:36:40 PMPlayers also un-retire. I'm not suggesting he will or we want him to but that doesn't close the door.
For there to be any interest on either side, the player must be in or near game shape. Most players, when they retire, do not maintain the strict workout regimen that they would during the season. And linemen that have those extra pounds on their frames to allow them more push start to lean themselves out for long term health. Putting those pounds and muscle back on isn't a thing you do in a week.
The nicest thing about time off is allowing the body to heal. No doubt from an aches and pains, and nagging nicks standpoint, Jeffcoat should be in prime shape. Its just whether he has maintained the physical side of things, which is tough, especially if you've taken a day job.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 20, 2024, 02:44:14 PMFor there to be any interest on either side, the player must be in or near game shape. Most players, when they retire, do not maintain the strict workout regimen that they would during the season. And linemen that have those extra pounds on their frames to allow them more push start to lean themselves out for long term health. Putting those pounds and muscle back on isn't a thing you do in a week.
The nicest thing about time off is allowing the body to heal. No doubt from an aches and pains, and nagging nicks standpoint, Jeffcoat should be in prime shape. Its just whether he has maintained the physical side of things, which is tough, especially if you've taken a day job.
Sure. I don't expect him to be back but did anyone expect Leonard back? OTOH if the Bombers finish in 1st his interest might peak about a return for the play offs.
We don't know his current physical level or interest for that matter. It's an interesting thought if we experience any more injuries at DE.
He recently did a youtube interview, hes currently in real estate, he does work out but not nearly to extent as he would getting ready for training camp. Although his body does feel better. Doesn't sound like hes in any game shape currently
Quote from: Pete on September 20, 2024, 03:48:25 PMHe recently did a youtube interview, hes currently in real estate, he does work out but not nearly to extent as he would getting ready for training camp. Although his body does feel better. Doesn't sound like hes in any game shape currently
If it was the same interview I watched in the spring he was definitive and closed the door on playing football, but he'd be playing today and making a difference if Walters would have offered him a fair contract instead of the cold shoulder after 6 years of outstanding service.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 20, 2024, 07:41:48 AMThe "cold" games are nearly impossible to sell out, except maybe a home WDF... and even then! Only the diehards go to a reg season game when it's below -5C w/windchill.
Thankfully, the schedule makers were really smart with @WPG games this year. Only 1 cold game, and, because it's mid-month and not the usual end-of-month, there's a good chance it won't even be cold yet.
The home WDF game... that'll be a different story!
That's true but with all the hype around this team the last several years and past success selling tickets to a home playoff game, I fully expect an incredibly successful one this year too.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 20, 2024, 05:08:27 PMIf it was the same interview I watched in the spring he was definitive and closed the door on playing football, but he'd be playing today and making a difference if Walters would have offered him a fair contract instead of the cold shoulder after 6 years of outstanding service.
We have no idea what actual shape Jeffcoat was in pre-season, he hasn't played a full season ever, IIRC. And we don't know what the circumstances of the negotiations were, but this offseason was the worst on record for tough decisions about the roster. If Oliviera or Schoen sign elsewhere, its a completely different story. We keep the Bailey's and Jeffcoat's instead of needing to replace them with ELC players. Bailey's position was redundant, and Jeffcoat was going to cost us full $SMS but probably miss a number of games (he was a 1 game guy, I don't think he ever hit the 6 game, and we were in $SMS heck to start with)
I and most fans may not agree with the moves that were made, but I understand why. You hate to lose guys like Jeffcoat, Bailey, Hansen, Clements, Hardrik, Walker, Grant... but with the $SMS and landing the top 2 FA's on the market, it happens. I think, were WE hosting the GC this year, the budget might have been expanded for a few of these players.
I think I'd be more interested in what happened with Walker and Clements, and what they are up to...
Quote from: theaardvark on September 20, 2024, 06:43:28 PMWe have no idea what actual shape Jeffcoat was in pre-season, he hasn't played a full season ever, IIRC. And we don't know what the circumstances of the negotiations were, but this offseason was the worst on record for tough decisions about the roster. If Oliviera or Schoen sign elsewhere, its a completely different story. We keep the Bailey's and Jeffcoat's instead of needing to replace them with ELC players. Bailey's position was redundant, and Jeffcoat was going to cost us full $SMS but probably miss a number of games (he was a 1 game guy, I don't think he ever hit the 6 game, and we were in $SMS heck to start with)
I and most fans may not agree with the moves that were made, but I understand why. You hate to lose guys like Jeffcoat, Bailey, Hansen, Clements, Hardrik, Walker, Grant... but with the $SMS and landing the top 2 FA's on the market, it happens. I think, were WE hosting the GC this year, the budget might have been expanded for a few of these players.
I think I'd be more interested in what happened with Walker and Clements, and what they are up to...
Here is the interview with Jeffcoat, he answer many questions directly.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 20, 2024, 03:22:32 AMWhy?
We have Haba, Garbutt and Ogbevoen and Owen on the PR.
If Jeffcoat is heathy and in game shape, sure. Not a lot of cost and he is a dynamic player. But I think Haba or Garbutt is better than an 80% Jeffcoat..
The why is very clear. I don't think it will happen, but I'd be pretty shocked if Walters hasn't been sending him messages for most of the season.
Quote from: Jesse on September 21, 2024, 01:27:21 PMThe why is very clear. I don't think it will happen, but I'd be pretty shocked if Walters hasn't been sending him messages for most of the season.
According to Jeffcoat the Bombers had little to no communication with him in the off-season to discuss contract, can't see that changing now. Walters wanted him back, but had no money to pay him with, nothings changed.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 21, 2024, 03:53:53 PMAccording to Jeffcoat the Bombers had little to no communication with him in the off-season to discuss contract, can't see that changing now. Walters wanted him back, but had no money to pay him with, nothings changed.
MOney has changed, we have a lot of 6 game available..
Quote from: theaardvark on September 21, 2024, 04:26:50 PMMOney has changed, we have a lot of 6 game available..
I think it's being spent as they go, they brought 2 QB's in last week, didn't come for free.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 21, 2024, 07:13:27 PMI think it's being spent as they go, they brought 2 QB's in last week, didn't come for free.
Those are ELC players and 2 of them are on the PR. Dolegala will earn less than Streveler. There are only 4 regular season games after today. That changes the SMS question compared to an entire season.
Barring injury to Haba and Garbutt I don't expect a change even if both sides are in consideration mode. A healthy Jeffcoat going into the play offs is not a bad thing, even as a DI it's an upgrade for this season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 21, 2024, 03:53:53 PMAccording to Jeffcoat the Bombers had little to no communication with him in the off-season to discuss contract, can't see that changing now. Walters wanted him back, but had no money to pay him with, nothings changed.
Our need at pass rush is clear and the monetary demands decrease with every game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 21, 2024, 07:16:49 PMThose are ELC players and 2 of them are on the PR. Dolegala will earn less than Streveler. There are only 4 regular season games after today. That changes the SMS question compared to an entire season.
Yup, we have enough 6GIR SMS room to bring in basically anyone we want or need for the final stretch, and at a very sweet per-game salary (plus GC money!).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 22, 2024, 02:34:17 AMYup, we have enough 6GIR SMS room to bring in basically anyone we want or need for the final stretch, and at a very sweet per-game salary (plus GC money!).
The pool of choices with experience is very limited. It wouldn't upset me if they were on the phone tonight with Jeffcoat. Haba and Garbutt may be the future, but Jeffcoat in shape and healthy is a difference maker NOW potentially.
OTOH I don't expect that to happen and I'm ok with that as well.
One game done and won...now we get them at home!!
Do we see Ford vs Ford part II ?
Apart from Kyries and I am not aware of any injuries