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Arguably the most well known back to back games and rivalry and game name in the CFl.

Saskatchewan and Winnipeg - the Banjo Bowl!

A full stadium, a great looking weather forecast, Zach Collaros looks to return to the lineup and an opportunity to solidify 1st place in the West.

Ed Tait's 48-Hour Primer is here! (http://"http://www.bluebombers.com/2024/09/05/48-hr-primer-banjo-bowl/")

Adam Bighill is out for this game.  Pat Neufeld is "Questionable" but has had full participation in the last two practices.  Stanley Bryant and Lucky Whitehead did not practice September 5th and are listed as "Doubtful".

Depth Chart and additional news will be posted tomorrow.

Aside from the game, get to PA Stadium early...

Tailgate begins at 11:00 am on game day with $5.00 beer, $3.50 hot dogs and $3.50 fountain drinks.  There will be a Watermelon Eating Contest at 12:30 pm.

Another important game against the team we most love to beat!  Let's Go Bombers!

Quote from: ModAdmin on September 06, 2024, 04:30:00 AMAdam Bighill is out for this game.  Pat Neufeld is "Questionable" but has had full participation in the last two practices.  Stanley Bryant and Lucky Whitehead did not practice September 5th and are listed as "Doubtful".

Ugh... No Big Stan is bad news.  I'm telling you guys, something is fishy here... flu doesn't affect you that badly for 3 weeks(!) straight!  Chart still says "illness".

It would be great then if Neufeld could dress.  Toy with the idea of him at LT?  Switch him and Randolph if one is sucking badly?  I think Randolph worked well enough in the last game at LT that I'd start him there again.  Maybe Neufeld at his normal spot then.

Riderfans picking SSK to win BB in their pickems by about 2 to 1... that's a bit unusual compared to past years where they usually pick WPG by about 2 to 1.  Those greenies clearly have hope due to their good (luck!) season start!

Gamezone fantasy players picking WPG 66%-34% so far.  Clearly there's some green goggles going on in Reginaville!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2024, 05:57:41 AMUgh... No Big Stan is bad news.  I'm telling you guys, something is fishy here... flu doesn't affect you that badly for 3 weeks(!) straight!  Chart still says "illness".

It would be great then if Neufeld could dress.  Toy with the idea of him at LT?  Switch him and Randolph if one is sucking badly?  I think Randolph worked well enough in the last game at LT that I'd start him there again.  Maybe Neufeld at his normal spot then.

Randolph definitely stays at LT if Stanley can't go. Coaches decision on Neufeld vs Eli.

Loud and proud my friends.  Don't forget the ear protection for the kiddies.

WE have to put more pressure on Harris. Force him to rush his throws, sending 3 all game last week just didn't put enough pressure on him.

Anyway GO BLUE !!!

CFL.CA transactions show Hubert out, Chris-Ike to PR and Bridges added to AR?  Nothing against Bridges but I would have though Adams on the DL over another DB would have been preferable.

No info on OL questions yet.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 02:05:27 PMCFL.CA transactions show Hubert out, Chris-Ike to PR and Bridges added to AR?  Nothing against Bridges but I would have though Adams on the DL over another DB would have been preferable.

No info on OL questions yet.

If we're going to rush 3 and drop 9 again Bridges makes perfect sense.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 06, 2024, 05:57:41 AMUgh... No Big Stan is bad news.  I'm telling you guys, something is fishy here... flu doesn't affect you that badly for 3 weeks(!) straight!  Chart still says "illness".

It would be great then if Neufeld could dress.  Toy with the idea of him at LT?  Switch him and Randolph if one is sucking badly?  I think Randolph worked well enough in the last game at LT that I'd start him there again.  Maybe Neufeld at his normal spot then.

He did get in a practice this week so that's good news.  He's a big man, it takes time to recover this day and age, even from a common cold.  It looked like he ran his body down to nothing against Hammy so I'm giving him 3 weeks to recover.  He'll be back for one of the 2 Edmonton games.

Man, we're starting 10 Canadians. Why not go all American on the defensive line. Lucky is fine, apparently.

In: OL Neufeld DB Bridges
Out: DL Hubert LB Adams

Officially DT Adams (the best DT we have) is in O'Shea's or Younger's dog house.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 06, 2024, 02:49:45 PMMan, we're starting 10 Canadians. Why not go all American on the defensive line. Lucky is fine, apparently.

I agree.  With the return of Neufeld, I thought they would have considered taking Vanterpool off the AR and putting Adams in on the DL; that might be too risky given Neufeld's early return to the lineup and their apparent plan to rush 3 on most D snaps.

add me to the disappointed list of not having Adams come in. if they don't think he's good enough bring in someone else our dline pr is a joke. nearly every big play Harris made was with little pressure on him. With out their regular centers you'd think we try to exploit this with more strength in the interior of our line. We don't gameplan to the opposition but stick to our way of doing things and we aren't strong enough to do that anymore.
 Once again Johnson is still in, a player most do see as a liability but they continue to play until the next season when they don't even make it to training camp. My question is where is Pierce and Younger in all this? We blame O"Shea but if they don't have the ability to  choose their best lineup then something is seriously wrong.

Quote from: Pete on September 06, 2024, 03:21:39 PMadd me to the disappointed list of not having Adams come in. if they don't think he's good enough bring in someone else our dline pr is a joke. nearly every big play Harris made was with little pressure on him. With out their regular centers you'd think we try to exploit this with more strength in the interior of our line. We don't gameplan to the opposition but stick to our way of doing things and we aren't strong enough to do that anymore.
 Once again Johnson is still in, a player most do see as a liability but they continue to play until the next season when they don't even make it to training camp. My question is where is Pierce and Younger in all this? We blame O"Shea but if they don't have the ability to  choose their best lineup then something is seriously wrong.

Really did not care for that no-pressure prevent 3-man front they finished the game with last week, that's like playing poker with your cards face up! If they use the same strategy Trevor Harris will dissect them again, Younger needs to employ more deception in his methods, there should always be an extra player that can add to the rush when called for.

Looks like the Bombers will be focusing on limiting Harris's production thru the air. That's why we are carrying more DBs than normal.

Now, Rider's can throw a wrench by utilizing Patterson and their run game against our tired DL and our weak LB line.

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Taylor Shire   @Taylor_Shire
#Riders depth chart vs #Bombers:

Interior OL has changed with Zerr set for first CFL start with Noll on as backup.

Godber & Fry head to 6-game IL.

Ford and Wiebe make their season debuts after 12 games on the injured list.

Meyers heads to 6-game IL so Ajou starts at SB.

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Derek Taylor   @DTonOB
Bombers roster for the Banjo Bowl.

G Paddy Neufeld returns after four games out with a knee injury. And LB Adam Bighill goes onto 6-game injured list.

Bombers will go with 6 DL, 6 LBs and 11 DBs.

I wonder if Neufeld not playing well earlier was due to some sort of lingering injury? Good to have him back but as usual the changes to the depth chart and roster movements are puzzling.

I thought Chris-Ike might replace the 2nd global as a better option. Adams not coming in for depth on the DL also surprising to some degree.

Nobody liked the 3 man and at times what seemed to be a no man DL front. Especially with 2 OL missing for the Riders.


We already had 2 Halletts, Kelly and Griffith as extra DB's / SAM. Adding Bridges? Nothing says we can't rush a DB front different places using a 3 man front. Speed over muscle.

Ok. As long as this strategy works nobody will care at the end of the day.

Concern goes up now with the situation with and for Bryant.

Again. This is a 4 point game as we know but it's worth repeating. Team needs to start faster and keep their foot on the gas.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 04:36:44 PMI thought Chris-Ike might replace the 2nd global as a better option. Adams not coming in for depth on the DL also surprising to some degree.

Maybe if Bighill was still there it would have been an option. Hard to do now.

Sask doesn't list who the KR & PR will be.

Quote from: Horseman on September 06, 2024, 04:51:35 PMSask doesn't list who the KR & PR will be.

They usually don't. 5D chess by Corey Mace  :D

Surprised that NP53 is starting tomorrow. He didn't look a 100% at practice on Wednesday.

SB66 will have 2 more full weeks to get right.

Adams not in the lineup. Most productive DT, and not in the lineup on a regular basis?????

Brown's accounts of the hit on ZC8, is a load.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 06, 2024, 04:51:25 PMMaybe if Bighill was still there it would have been an option. Hard to do now.

We have a bunch of LB's on the roster already. Weitz is listed as a LB but he's only 200 LB's and more like another DB. Karamoko is 2" taller and 213 lbs. Obviously classification isn't all that definitive but that might have been a better alternative for more depth at DB than at LB. Even with keeping 2 globals on the AR?

I don't know if I've actually seen him on the field even for ST's.  IIRC Karamoko has played on ST's and made a couple of ST's.

It will be interesting to see if Weitz is used at all. Chris-Ike hasn't exactly lit it up when he was on the AR so it's almost moot.

Hard to say if it was a factor or not. Maybe.

Quote from: Pigskin on September 06, 2024, 05:15:44 PMSurprised that NP53 is starting tomorrow. He didn't look a 100% at practice on Wednesday.

SB66 will have 2 more full weeks to get right.

Adams not in the lineup. Most productive DT, and not in the lineup on a regular basis?????

Brown's accounts of the hit on ZC8, is a load.

No kidding on both comments you made. Adams must be in some sort of dog house or Younger is changing the landscape of using a bunch more DB's than we're used to.

As I mentioned earlier a team can bring pressure that isn't coming from the DL. Different players, different angles and less predictable I suppose.

Make it work and all is well. Harris getting enough time to pause and finish his coffee while throwing for 400 yards and there will be questions. Last time he threw for 386 yards and 3 TD's, Yes we won but that was not my impression of a successful strategy.

Riders place OLs Peter Godber, Zack Fry on six-game injured list ahead of Banjo Bowl
By 3Down Staff -September 6, 2024

The Saskatchewan Roughriders' offensive line has been decimated by injuries, and the situation isn't getting better in the Banjo Bowl.

The team announced on Friday that starting centre Peter Godber (ankle) would be placed on the six-game injured list. Left guard Zack Fry (elbow), who was only starting due to previous injuries to Philip Blake and Ryan Sceviour, will join him on the shelf. That brings the total number of Rider offensive linemen out long-term up to six, with tackles Jermarcus Hardrick and Jacob Brammer also on the six-game.

Defensive tackle Micah Johnson had to step in along the offensive line mid-game for the second time this season in the Labour Day Classic, but the team has now found more permanent solutions. Versatile veteran Logan Ferland will move over to centre, while Canadian Noah Zerr and American Nick Jones get their first career starts in the guard spots. Brayden Noll will dress as the sixth man.

Also heading to the six-game this week is promising young receiver Dohnte Meyers (shoulder), who racked up 24 receptions for 349 yards and a touchdown in just five games. Rookie Canadian Ajou Ajou will slide into the starting lineup, with fellow draft pick Dhel Duncan-Busby coming on as insurance.

On defence, this week will mark the return of Canadian defensive back Jaxon Ford and the CFL debut for rookie linebacker Nick Wiebe, both of whom were injured for the first two-thirds of the year. Another rookie linebacker, Melique Straker (hip), has been placed on the six-game, while veteran Canadian DB Kosi Onyeka heads to the practice roster.

The Saskatchewan Roughriders (5-6-1) will visit the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (6-6) for the Banjo Bowl rematch on Saturday, September 7 at 3:00 p.m. EDT.

https://3downnation.com/2024/09/06/riders-place-ols-peter-godber-zack-fry-on-six-game-injured-list-ahead-of-banjo-bowl/

So with 2 rookie olinemen starting for the Riders, how many procedure calls are they going to get?

Quote from: Pigskin on September 06, 2024, 05:15:44 PMSurprised that NP53 is starting tomorrow. He didn't look a 100% at practice on Wednesday.

SB66 will have 2 more full weeks to get right.

Adams not in the lineup. Most productive DT, and not in the lineup on a regular basis?????

Brown's accounts of the hit on ZC8, is a load.

The only argument they could make is that Woods is playing really well and they just don't have the room on the AR for both of them. If it was up to me, we would leave Bridges out of the lineup and play Adams.

Quote from: LXTSN on September 06, 2024, 05:51:43 PMThe only argument they could make is that Woods is playing really well and they just don't have the room on the AR for both of them. If it was up to me, we would leave Bridges out of the lineup and play Adams.

Much easier solution: Play Adams over Thomas (it would require an American coming off elsewhere) but I don't see that as a huge deal.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 05:16:14 PMWe have a bunch of LB's on the roster already. Weitz is listed as a LB but he's only 200 LB's and more like another DB. Karamoko is 2" taller and 213 lbs. Obviously classification isn't all that definitive but that might have been a better alternative for more depth at DB than at LB. Even with keeping 2 globals on the AR?

I don't know if I've actually seen him on the field even for ST's.  IIRC Karamoko has played on ST's and made a couple of ST's.

It will be interesting to see if Weitz is used at all. Chris-Ike hasn't exactly lit it up when he was on the AR so it's almost moot.

Hard to say if it was a factor or not. Maybe.

Not sure if MCI is ready to become a starter yet, if Feltmate was ready to play I think they'd insert him immediately.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 06, 2024, 06:02:16 PMNot sure if MCI is ready to become a starter yet, if Feltmate was ready to play I think they'd insert him immediately.

Yes, Feltmate would be ahead of him on the depth chart if he was healthy. I was just questioning whether Chris-Ike was a better alternative than a 2nd global. I don't expect either to add much but lean towards giving another Canadian more reps than a 2nd global.

Quote from: gobombersgo on September 06, 2024, 05:43:29 PMSo with 2 rookie olinemen starting for the Riders, how many procedure calls are they going to get?

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Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 06:07:44 PMYes, Feltmate would be ahead of him on the depth chart if he was healthy. I was just questioning whether Chris-Ike was a better alternative than a 2nd global. I don't expect either to add much but lean towards giving another Canadian more reps than a 2nd global.

Chris-Ike is an interesting case. I know he's listed as a full back but he's not really comparable to Feltmate. I'm also not really sure he's ahead of the depth chart. They haven't been healthy at the same time yet and we don't have a full back on the depth chart at all. I think Chris-Ike is more of a threat to Augustine next year and if Augustine or Oliveria go down I think he would get activated.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 06, 2024, 11:38:48 PMChris-Ike is an interesting case. I know he's listed as a full back but he's not really comparable to Feltmate. I'm also not really sure he's ahead of the depth chart. They haven't been healthy at the same time yet and we don't have a full back on the depth chart at all. I think Chris-Ike is more of a threat to Augustine next year and if Augustine or Oliveria go down I think he would get activated.

Yes, there was a game (or more) we had both Ike and Feltmate dressed.  Both listed as FB.  IIRC they even were both on the field at times?  We were doing 7 and maybe even 8(?) max-jumbo sets, because we also had our normal 7 OL dressed too.

Quote from: Pigskin on September 06, 2024, 05:15:44 PMSurprised that NP53 is starting tomorrow. He didn't look a 100% at practice on Wednesday.

It may be a matter of having to consider in-game injuries.  Neufeld can play OT, no other current "healthy" backup can.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 06, 2024, 04:36:44 PMI wonder if Neufeld not playing well earlier was due to some sort of lingering injury? Good to have him back but as usual the changes to the depth chart and roster movements are puzzling.

The beauty of this week's tweaked OL is we get a direct comparison to Eli from last week's OL... If the OL is worse, then that's a reaaaaaly bad sign that Neufeld should be demoted.  Surely Neuf should be better than Eli?

The BIG question will be answered when Big Stan comes back and we get to see who starts at RG... Has Randolph stolen the spot?

Quote from: Pete on September 06, 2024, 03:21:39 PMnearly every big play Harris made was with little pressure on him. With out their regular centers you'd think we try to exploit this with more strength in the interior of our line. We don't gameplan to the opposition but stick to our way of doing things and we aren't strong enough to do that anymore.

To be fair to our DC & D, we 100% changed our normal gameplan vs SSK.  We almost never pass-rush 3 unless it's garbage time.  This game we rushed 3 at least half the snaps!  That is completely unheard of for a WPG D.

Did Younger have to get MOS permission for that radical departure?

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 06, 2024, 02:29:00 PMIf we're going to rush 3 and drop 9 again Bridges makes perfect sense.

Yes, you nailed it.  We never would do that normally.  Our plan must be to use speed to try to jump some of Trevor's short routes.

I think instead of quitting the 3-man rush we are doubling down on it.  It worked fairly well and it may be the optimal counter to Trevor's quick game.

Trevor did not "have all day" back there because Trevor threw the ball away in under 2 seconds on 80%+ of snaps.  I know, I rewatched and timed them.  No matter what we were rushing Trevor was going to throw it instantly.  Blitzes wouldn't have done squat unless you can get through untouched (see that near-game-tying final blitz we did).

If I was SSK, I'm making a plan to have Trevor have 1-2 deep options on every suspected 3-rush snap.  When he has all day back there he should take the time to find the 4-5s read.  And if I'm WPG, I would anticipate this and mix in more traditional rushes and blitzes.

Game Preview | The Banjo Bowl – Sask vs. Wpg - Ed Tait

Game #13: Roughriders (5-6-1) at Blue Bombers (6-6)

Kickoff: Saturday, September 7th, 2 p.m. CDT; Princess Auto Stadium
TV/Streaming: CTV, CFL+
Radio: 680 CJOB
Streaks: Sask: 3L; Wpg: 4W
Road/Home: The Roughriders are 2-3-1 on the road; the Blue Bombers are 4-2 at home, having now won four straight at Princess Auto Stadium.
The Banjo Bowl: The Blue Bombers have won four straight Banjo Bowls and are 12-7 overall. Read more on history of the game here.
Saluted: Blue Bombers hall of fame running back Charles Roberts will be added to the Ring of Honour at halftime. Click here (http://www.bluebombers.com/2024/08/26/i-had-found-a-home-charles-roberts-added-to-ring-of-honour/) for more info on Roberts.

...Amazingly, with the rest of the division falling back to the Blue Bombers over the last few weeks, that .500 mark has them tied for first in the division with the B.C. Lions, with the 5-6-1 Riders just one point off and both the Calgary Stampeders, 4-7, and Edmonton Elks, 4-8, still in the picture.

"It's the resilience we've shown that I like," said Jefferson. "It comes from the competition level at practice, the communication level at practice and that leads into the game. Now we're seeing guys getting comfortable playing with each other. That comes from the work during the week, not just flipping a switch on game day."

"It's another great challenge for us, another great test," added running back Brady Oliveira. "The thing is now, though, they have to come to us in front of our home crowd that's going to be loud — the loudest fans in the league and it's going to be a lot of fun."

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/09/06/game-preview-the-banjo-bowl-sask-vs-wpg/

BRADY BALL TIME!

In Honour of Charles Roberts day!

Avoid the perimeter

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 06, 2024, 05:54:14 PMMuch easier solution: Play Adams over Thomas (it would require an American coming off elsewhere) but I don't see that as a huge deal.

I wouldn't do that.  Thomas has been good.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2024, 12:58:50 PMI wouldn't do that.  Thomas has been good.

No he hasn't.  Thomas has 1 sack in 12 games. Adams has 4., as a rookie getting less consistent reps.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 07, 2024, 01:37:51 AMYes, you nailed it.  We never would do that normally.  Our plan must be to use speed to try to jump some of Trevor's short routes.

I think instead of quitting the 3-man rush we are doubling down on it.  It worked fairly well and it may be the optimal counter to Trevor's quick game.

Trevor did not "have all day" back there because Trevor threw the ball away in under 2 seconds on 80%+ of snaps.  I know, I rewatched and timed them.  No matter what we were rushing Trevor was going to throw it instantly.  Blitzes wouldn't have done squat unless you can get through untouched (see that near-game-tying final blitz we did).

If I was SSK, I'm making a plan to have Trevor have 1-2 deep options on every suspected 3-rush snap.  When he has all day back there he should take the time to find the 4-5s read.  And if I'm WPG, I would anticipate this and mix in more traditional rushes and blitzes.

I'm leary of the 3 man rush. I hope they prove me wrong.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2024, 12:57:52 PMAvoid the perimeter

That shouldn't affect the self proud of very much though Single lane between Saint Anne's and St. Mary's is going to be a pain in the *** as well.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 01:10:07 PMNo he hasn't.  Thomas has 1 sack in 12 games. Adams has 4., as a rookie getting less consistent reps.

Thomas has been good.  Management thinks so, Pat things so (see below).  He is Canadian does his job and is critical to the ratio.  Yes Jake is not a sack machine but a glue guy, never gets hurt, is very consistent, knows all the assignments and is exceptional against the run.  I trust management and coaches on this one.  DL has been very good imo.  Sacks are not the only stat we use to evaluate a DL play.  If Adams was a better option than Jake overall he would be playing.

Full disclosure I love Adams too.  A luxury of depth.

There are some on here that haven't supported Jake in the lineup and season after season Jake serves humble pie.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 01:12:12 PMI'm leary of the 3 man rush. I hope they prove me wrong.

A key is not sacking harris but hitting him, get him off his game and his effectiveness drops reverting to short passes.

Quote from: Pete on September 07, 2024, 02:00:14 PMA key is not sacking harris but hitting him, get him off his game and his effectiveness drops reverting to short passes.

Facts are presented above, rattle him! And we shall.  #1d+ Hall is boss Younger has the hunger.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 01:12:12 PMI'm leary of the 3 man rush. I hope they prove me wrong.

Blanket coverage is required for a timing / quick drop / quick throw Qb.  Our DL can get pressure with 3 and we will throw every look in the book at him.  Trust the mafia.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2024, 01:55:49 PMThomas has been good.  Management thinks so, Pat things so (see below).  He is Canadian does his job and is critical to the ratio.  Yes Jake is not a sack machine but a glue guy, never gets hurt, is very consistent, knows all the assignments and is exceptional against the run.  I trust management and coaches on this one.  DL has been very good imo.  Sacks are not the only stat we use to evaluate a DL play.  If Adams was a better option than Jake overall he would be playing.

Full disclosure I love Adams too.  A luxury of depth.

There are some on here that haven't supported Jake in the lineup and season after season Jake serves humble pie.

Thomas is playing because he's Canadian. We're starting more than 7 Canadians so he is not critical to sustaining the ratio in anything but a rotational option.  Adams is not playing because he is an import and the ratio limits him being added.  To suggest Adams would be playing if he was a better option is totally incorrect. It's not a one for one comparison / choice due to the ratio. Adams is a DI choice behind imports Garbutt, Haba, Jefferson and Woods on the DL.

Yes sacks are not the only criteria but Thomas DT's are not as good as you suggest and he continually gets washed out on run plays and does not push deep into the offensive backfield on pass plays.

There is no humble pie. O'Shea supports veteran Canadians and players in general. A long list of players like Hurl, Briggs and Kuale lead that list.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 07, 2024, 02:04:22 PMFacts are presented above, rattle him! And we shall.  #1d+ Hall is boss Younger has the hunger.Blanket coverage is required for a timing / quick drop / quick throw Qb.  Our DL can get pressure with 3 and we will throw every look in the book at him.  Trust the mafia.

Harris threw for 368 yards and 3 TD's in the last game against us in 49 attempts. He also ran 4 times for 27 yards. They put up 33 points.  We won because of a missed short FG attempt.

I wouldn't call that blanket coverage and we certainly didn't rattle him last week. We did manage to sack him twice. I haven't re-watched that game again but we didn't hit him all that often. It is a fact that if we do hit him early he tends to get rattled. Missing 2 OL might make that more probable.

I don't know what " facts " you're looking at but you need to look at the game stats. Saying " facts are presented above " is only a slogan you like. Stats are facts.

Now I don't think our defence played their best game last week. Bighill had 2 DT's and is now out. Gauthier only has 3 DT's in 12 games. That's a concern behind a 3 man front.

Bombers are capable of putting up 50 points but this is not as lam dunk.

We'll see whether The Riders losing 2 OL and D. Meyers causes them more issues than the Bombers losing Bighill.

On paper and at home we look to win.  Riders didn't try to run very often last week. Hickson only had 12 runs and 32 yards. Harris had 49 pass attempts.

With Bighill out I wouldn't surprised to see a few more runs early to measure their ability to run  and draw the LB's in closer to LOS.

Copied from the other site. I thought this was funny but not in a good way.



Our blitzes are like blintzes. Soft and cheesy.

I sometimes think our DL is still practicing social distancing.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 03:05:52 PMHarris threw for 368 yards and 3 TD's in the last game against us in 49 attempts. He also ran 4 times for 27 yards. They put up 33 points.  We won because of a missed short FG attempt.

I wouldn't call that blanket coverage and we certainly didn't rattle him last week. We did manage to sack him twice. I haven't re-watched that game again but we didn't hit him all that often. It is a fact that if we do hit him early he tends to get rattled. Missing 2 OL might make that more probable.

I don't know what " facts " you're looking at but you need to look at the game stats. Saying " facts are presented above " is only a slogan you like. Stats are facts.

Now I don't think our defence played their best game last week. Bighill had 2 DT's and is now out. Gauthier only has 3 DT's in 12 games. That's a concern behind a 3 man front.

Bombers are capable of putting up 50 points but this is not as lam dunk.

We'll see whether The Riders losing 2 OL and D. Meyers causes them more issues than the Bombers losing Bighill.

On paper and at home we look to win.  Riders didn't try to run very often last week. Hickson only had 12 runs and 32 yards. Harris had 49 pass attempts.

With Bighill out I wouldn't surprised to see a few more runs early to measure their ability to run  and draw the LB's in closer to LOS.

All facts by BiBC...


3 man rush has its place...overused last game and adjustments when a D lineman went in to play on the offensive line were not made. 

The 3 man rush gave too much time to Harris, ditch the 3 man DL and go back to at least rushing 4.

Beautiful day for a football game. 22 with a 10KM windy at kickoff.

I just speed watched most of the 1st Q last game. Watching the riders 1st drive to result in a TD was a concern.

Take a look at Thomas at about the 3 minute mark as he gets washed out and Harris runs around him wide. That's not a good look on Thomas.

3 man rush is getting burnt

You can physically cover a person for that length of time - it's impossible

Younger hadn't learned

everyone can see the 3 man against harris sucks....why cant younger?

Kenny needs to catch that - old Kenny comes down with that

Too bad younger is so stubborn...otherwise we would be up by 10 after a quarter

Alford gets up and just headbutts the Bomber player and the referee is like, hehe banjo bowl.

Like what are we doing here?

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 07:39:57 PMKenny needs to catch that - old Kenny comes down with that

D-back timed it right got a piece of the ball and tumbled before Lawler could touch it.

Been watching paddy -  he is getting beat

The ol' corner of the end zone pass

We all knew it was coming

as did sask

are there some other red zone plays the Bombers could try?


hate being critical. but this is not smart football. lowest scoring offence in the league I think.

Does it feel like we have to fight so much harder for our first downs?

Zach is not right

Bomber offense is still bad

Wow. 

The offensive plays at the end of the half..stale / dumb

I would say not a great half of offensive football

c+ at best

Zac is hearing footsteps, doesn't look decisive at all

Is there ever a passing play where Collaros isn't under pressure??

Time for Josh Johnson to add some value


Apart from Stanley this is our healthy offence and it looks terrible.

need to show some imagination

Just a huge defensive screw up

BA out of position

alexander
better look for his jock strap

Losing now and our offense gives me no hope...

Prove me wrong Zach (no INT's please)

if we dont get any pressure on Harris it will be a repeat of labor day

Harris just served notice and secondary humbled and embarrassed —-game on!!

There have been many plays where:

Willie, Haba and garbutt are all on the sidelines

Good punt by the riders then our sad sack offense can't get a first down

Miles Brown at it again.

What the heck is brown all upset for, he is just a dirty douche bag!

Absolutely ridiculous challenge by mace on offensive pass interference on Lawler, ridiculous

Streveller injury is on the league .

Brown should not be in this game

Strev injury fired up the bombers

Pull helmet off not a penalty?

😂

Time to step on the throat of this POS goon squad.

Can't stop the run now??

3 man rush

Hallett beat

First down

Willie being held

Woli gutting it out but getting hurt everytime he takes a hit

I would rather Zach stay in for short yardage and use BO

Demski open and him and Zach couldn't connect

Can the defence hold??

Man is Ford fast, he tracked down  Alford and made it look easy!!

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 09:26:12 PMWoli gutting it out but getting hurt everytime he takes a hit

I would rather Zach stay in for short yardage and use BO

I don't know why Oliveira just doesn't take the snap on short yardage

Shucks demski was short on that. 

Rookie qb to sneak it

Quote from: dd on September 07, 2024, 09:31:23 PMI don't know why Oliveira just doesn't take the snap on short yardage

O'Shea must've heard me!

Well it's up to the D

Sask has plenty of time

oh how it sucks to be a rider fan!

Well deserved.  Tough game, Riders played well.  Time for some supplementary discipline against Brown.  Enough is enough.

That was a tough one. Great job by the Bombers.

Whew again. We have a very good lock on 1st place now. Season series against the Lions, Stamps and Riders.

It was a difficult win and we made some great plays and just a few bad plays. Half of Riders passing yardage came on those 2 big catches.

Streveler injured on another RP by Brown. He'll get another big fine but I wonder if injuring 3 QB's gets him suspended this time? 

Not sure how serious Streveler's injury is but he may miss some games. Having the bye may give him time to heal if no actual damage.

Perhaps now is the time to call Dolegala as a potential # 3 or PR QB at the very least. With 5 regular season games left a rookie won't help much. He'd also be a potential starter over Wilson IF COLLAROS gets hurt.

Look at the defensive stats. Unusual. Jefferson, Ayers and Jones had 2 DT's each. All the other 21 were made by DB's. Don't see that often.

I'll have to watch the game again to see how many 3 or 4 man fronts we used. Didn't get a lot of pressure but aside from 2 successful deep shots Harris had little success.

They can go on and on about Milligan all they want, I'll take Ford any day!! Outstanding defensive play, and interception to seal the game

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 09:59:00 PMWhew again. We have a very good lock on 1st place now. Season series against the Lions, Stamps and Riders.

It was a difficult win and we made some great plays and just a few bad plays. Half of Riders passing yardage came on those 2 big catches.

Streveler injured on another RP by Brown. He'll get another big fine but I wonder if injuring 3 QB's gets him suspended this time? 

Not sure how serious Streveler's injury is but he may miss some games. Having the bye may give him time to heal if no actual damage.

Perhaps now is the time to call Dolegala as a potential # 3 or PR QB at the very least. With 5 regular season games left a rookie won't help much. He'd also be a potential starter over Wilson IF COLLAROS gets hurt.

Look at the defensive stats. Unusual. Jefferson, Ayers and Jones had 2 DT's each. All the other 21 were made by DB's. Don't see that often.

I'll have to watch the game again to see how many 3 or 4 man fronts we used. Didn't get a lot of pressure but aside from 2 successful deep shots Harris had little success.

The call to dolegala makes total sense. Lots can happen down the home stretch and best be prepared

One poster mentioned Neufeld wasn't playing well. I'm not sure but our OL overall did not play great. Hopefully we get Bryant back after the bye.

Riders with 2 new starting OL and we didn't record a sack. Bombers had more problems than they did.

Once again. Why is Johnson still starting? He had 1 target and no completions. Can  somebody that was at the game detail how he's doing blocking and / or getting open? Can't honestly tell on TV.

Production is close to zero after 13 games.

Quote from: dd on September 07, 2024, 10:02:55 PMThey can go on and on about Milligan all they want, I'll take Ford any day!! Outstanding defensive play, and interception to seal the game

True but Milligan is an ST demon and all over the field. Ford is a shutdown CB and may evolve to an expanded role over time.

Class act that Mike O'Shea is. While being interviewed by John lui who was congratulating him on his significant win pushing him by his grant O'Shea response was to congratulate Jake Thomas on his 200th game!! Unreal!!

Watch O'Shea before every game, he goes down the sideline and shakes everyone on the bonnet staff s hand before the games including the water boys. That's a 100% class act

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 10:08:03 PMTrue but Milligan is an ST demon and all over the field. Ford is a shutdown CB and may evolve to an expanded role over time.

And you didn't see ford run down the speedy Alford on one of his returns?? Nobody catches Alford from behind, except ford did!!

How bout that? You like that?

Bombers were losing close ones and now they're winning close ones. Hopefully at playoff time they'll be in top form. I guess the Strevolution has been put on hold but I'd like to see Wilson play.

Quote from: Jesse on September 07, 2024, 10:21:57 PMHow bout that? You like that?

I didn't think it was possible but ford showed us it is. Even home boy suitor remarked on the play

Quote from: dd on September 07, 2024, 10:13:36 PMAnd you didn't see ford run down the speedy Alford on one of his returns?? Nobody catches Alford from behind, except ford did!!

I did and it was impressive. However before this game he's had 2 ST's and Milligan had 17. I won't diss how good a player Milligan has been this season.

Quote from: Blitzer on September 07, 2024, 10:26:35 PMBombers were losing close ones and now they're winning close ones. Hopefully at playoff time they'll be in top form. I guess the Strevolution has been put on hold but I'd like to see Wilson play.

So would I. Hope Streve is ok. But in the meantime Wilson gets an opportunity to show us what he's got

Earlier in the game I saw a defensive player down but didn't see who it was or whether he returned. Looked like a DL due to his size.

Anyone notice?

I really didn't like the 2nd. down play before the last Bomber FG. Just hand it off to BO20 and try and get the 5 yards for the 1st. down.

John Lu interview on Zach was dumb ending with the Briwn *** hole question. Nice stinker JOHN!

Just got home, cleaned up, starting my celebratory bourbon.

We saw Bad Zach - very tentative and indecisive for most of the game. And we saw Good Zach - I felt he got a bit of his mojo back after Strev went down and start gunning it. Luckily, we did not see Awful Zach - zero picks.

The Bombers sure know how to gut out wins. If we go all the way, it's going to be ugly. So be it.

I was told just before the game that TSN WAS actually playing the game on TSN+. I'm not sure if this is going to be the case for the rest of the early Saturday games.

Quote from: pdirks67 on September 07, 2024, 11:35:22 PMJust got home, cleaned up, starting my celebratory bourbon.

We saw Bad Zach - very tentative and indecisive for most of the game. And we saw Good Zach - I felt he got a bit of his mojo back after Strev went down and start gunning it. Luckily, we did not see Awful Zach - zero picks.

The Bombers sure know how to gut out wins. If we go all the way, it's going to be ugly. So be it.

That was definitely not bad Zach. We've seen bad Zach this year. That guy loses games by throwing a bunch of INTs.

I think Collaros will breath a huge sigh of relief when Stanley comes back and protects his blind side

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 03:05:52 PMHarris threw for 368 yards and 3 TD's in the last game against us in 49 attempts. He also ran 4 times for 27 yards. They put up 33 points.  We won because of a missed short FG attempt.

I wouldn't call that blanket coverage and we certainly didn't rattle him last week. We did manage to sack him twice. I haven't re-watched that game again but we didn't hit him all that often. It is a fact that if we do hit him early he tends to get rattled. Missing 2 OL might make that more probable.

I don't know what " facts " you're looking at but you need to look at the game stats. Saying " facts are presented above " is only a slogan you like. Stats are facts.

Now I don't think our defence played their best game last week. Bighill had 2 DT's and is now out. Gauthier only has 3 DT's in 12 games. That's a concern behind a 3 man front.

Bombers are capable of putting up 50 points but this is not as lam dunk.

We'll see whether The Riders losing 2 OL and D. Meyers causes them more issues than the Bombers losing Bighill.

On paper and at home we look to win.  Riders didn't try to run very often last week. Hickson only had 12 runs and 32 yards. Harris had 49 pass attempts.

With Bighill out I wouldn't surprised to see a few more runs early to measure their ability to run  and draw the LB's in closer to LOS.

I use the term facts are presented above when I fully agree with another poster.  No, I have plenty to slogans.  Fact is the coaches and management continues to put the the right players on the field and all we do is win.  Fact is we are the class of the West.  Thomas played good, his 200th game (5th in Bomber history), key cog on our D.  Fact is he will remain in the lineup all year.  Trust the process, trust the mafia and never doubt the Blue when rolling so well.  We are at the tail end of one of the best runs in Bomber history, enjoy the ride.  Fact is the blanket cover worked.  Don't need to sack Harris just get in his grill and cover the receivers.  Loud and proud today and a great time to be a Bomber fan.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 03:58:23 PMCopied from the other site. I thought this was funny but not in a good way.



Our blitzes are like blintzes. Soft and cheesy.

I sometimes think our DL is still practicing social distancing.

DL played well enough to secure victory.  The players and schemes we are using shut Harris down enough to win.  DL playing good this year considering the turn over.  We have good starters and depth.  Rotation working.

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 04:14:36 PMAll facts by BiBC...


3 man rush has its place...overused last game and adjustments when a D lineman went in to play on the offensive line were not made. 

Fact is the system we are using got us 2 victories. 

Quote from: pdirks67 on September 07, 2024, 11:35:22 PMJust got home, cleaned up, starting my celebratory bourbon.

We saw Bad Zach - very tentative and indecisive for most of the game. And we saw Good Zach - I felt he got a bit of his mojo back after Strev went down and start gunning it. Luckily, we did not see Awful Zach - zero picks.

The Bombers sure know how to gut out wins. If we go all the way, it's going to be ugly. So be it.

Zach played fine imo.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 10:06:40 PMOne poster mentioned Neufeld wasn't playing well. I'm not sure but our OL overall did not play great. Hopefully we get Bryant back after the bye.

Riders with 2 new starting OL and we didn't record a sack. Bombers had more problems than they did.

Once again. Why is Johnson still starting? He had 1 target and no completions. Can  somebody that was at the game detail how he's doing blocking and / or getting open? Can't honestly tell on TV.

Production is close to zero after 13 games.

Johnson is in because of his blocking.  Been over this before.

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 08:13:08 PMZach is not right

Bomber offense is still bad

Zach is fine
Offense is fine
Our offense is not bad, end of.  Top QB, best RB, good OL when healthy.  Great receivers.  Good play calling.
Aged poorly imo

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 08:18:18 PMWow. 

The offensive plays at the end of the half..stale / dumb

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 08:19:36 PMI would say not a great half of offensive football

c+ at best

Overstated on the negative.  Playing a great D, 2nd game in a row.  Played good considering.

Facts

Passing    C/ATT    YDS    TD    INT    AVG    LG
24/31    231    1    0    7.5    25

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 07:31:56 PM3 man rush is getting burnt

Quote from: The Zipp on September 07, 2024, 07:33:36 PMYou can physically cover a person for that length of time - it's impossible

Younger hadn't learned

Quote from: Pete on September 07, 2024, 07:34:30 PMeveryone can see the 3 man against harris sucks....why cant younger?

I like winning.  Not perfect but go us two key victories.  I take that all day.  Hall and Younger and our D did enough to beat a decent Sask club and a tough QB to scheme for.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 08, 2024, 12:11:23 AMZach played fine imo.Johnson is in because of his blocking.  Been over this before.

I saw him today absolutely give up on his block and get pushed around

We can and should do better than him

Doug brown agrees

Quote from: The Zipp on September 08, 2024, 12:12:50 AMI saw him today absolutely give up on his block and get pushed around

We can and should do better than him

Doug brown agrees

Please suggest who would be a better option at blocking.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 08, 2024, 12:16:04 AMPlease suggest who would be a better option at blocking.

Rasheed Bailey. Lucky would be more effective in every way as well.

Quote from: Jesse on September 08, 2024, 12:19:42 AMRasheed Bailey. Lucky would be more effective in every way as well.

Bailey not an opinion, doesn't play for us.  Lucky can't block.  Johnson is learning and is our best option currently because he can block.  Management and the coaches obviously see something and I trust them.  Yes I would like him to do more but we need to be patient and realistic here.

If Case or Wheatfall were better options they would be in the lineup.  That said I believe both are decent and hopefully can get reps eventually so we can develop them.

Quote from: The Zipp on September 08, 2024, 12:12:50 AMI saw him today absolutely give up on his block and get pushed around

We can and should do better than him

Doug brown agrees

He's a receiver and a large part of his role should be to be a target on offence. 138 yards in 13 games is not good enough. Clercius can block, Woli can block. So can Desmki for that matter.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 08, 2024, 12:07:59 AMI use the term facts are presented above when I fully agree with another poster.  No, I have plenty to slogans.  Fact is the coaches and management continues to put the the right players on the field and all we do is win.  Fact is we are the class of the West.  Thomas played good, his 200th game, key cog on our D.  Fact is he will remain in the lineup all year.  Trust the process, trust the mafia and never doubt the Blue when rolling so well.  We are at the tail end of one of the best runs in Bomber history, enjoy the ride.  Fact is the blanket cover worked.  Don't need to sack Harris just get in his grill and cover the receivers.  Loud and proud today and a great time to be a Bomber fan.DL played well enough to secure victory.  The players and schemes we are using shut Harris down enough to win.  DL playing good this year considering the turn over.  We have good starters and depth.  Rotation working.Fact is the system we are using got us 2 victories. 
Zach played fine imo.Johnson is in because of his blocking.  Been over this before.Zach is fine
Offense is fine
Our offense is not bad, end of.  Top QB, best RB, good OL when healthy.  Great receivers.  Good play calling.
Aged poorly imo
Overstated on the negative.  Playing a great D, 2nd game in a row.  Played good considering.

Facts

Passing    C/ATT    YDS    TD    INT    AVG    LG
24/31    231    1    0    7.5    25
I like winning.  Not perfect but go us two key victories.  I take that all day.  Hall and Younger and our D did enough to beat a decent Sask club and a tough QB to scheme for.

Thomas played well? He recorded no stats. Didn't get in the same postal code as Harris. He did squat against the run.

Jefferson was the only player on the DL to record a stat. All the DT's were by the DB's and a few by the LB's.

You can't keep saying these are not issues just because we won.

You commented that the offence didn't play well in the 1st half was over stated in the negative.   We were leading 13 - 3 at half time. 10 points were the result of early turnovers in good field position.

Collaros only threw for 103 yards in the 1st half. Play calling was suspect.

That's a bad 1st half in anybodies reasonable view.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 08, 2024, 01:43:37 AMThomas played well? He recorded no stats. Didn't get in the same postal code as Harris. He did squat against the run.

Jefferson was the only player on the DL to record a stat. All the DT's were by the DB's and a few by the LB's.

You can't keep saying these are not issues just because we won.

You commented that the offence didn't play well in the 1st half was over stated in the negative.  We were leading 13 - 3 at half time. 10 points were the result of early turnovers in good field position.

Collaros only threw for 103 yards in the 1st half. Play calling was suspect.

That's a bad 1st half in anybodies reasonable view.

Zach played good imo.  Can agree to disagree.
Thomas isn't a stat machine, played good enough to help limit Sask's offense
The original argument was against Thomas and 3 man rush.  The combo worked again.  All the stats by DBs and LBs by design; the system worked twice in a row.
Happy with Zach, Thomas, play calling, DL.  We can agree to disagree. 
I see a great team, best in the West.  Yes room to improve but we are cooking with gas all there phases imo.
I see no issues with the offense or Zach.  Yup we winning, yes we rolling.  You see issues I see a great offense.  See who is right come playoffs.

My only concern with this club is the health of our OL, Strev, Drew and Biggie.

I see little value in most of our exchanges as of late.  Let's give it a break.  We won't see eye to eye on much.  That's ok.  We have different opinions. I value your input on here in general.

Each week if different, our schemes will adjust and be well suited for most teams.  We are not at Montreal's level yet but getting close.

The true is usually somewhere between two strings ends of an argument

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 08, 2024, 12:20:39 AMBailey not an opinion, doesn't play for us.  Lucky can't block.  Johnson is learning and is our best option currently because he can block.  Management and the coaches obviously see something and I trust them.  Yes I would like him to do more but we need to be patient and realistic here.

If Case or Wheatfall were better options they would be in the lineup.  That said I believe both are decent and hopefully can get reps eventually so we can develop them.

I think Wheatfall has a legit shot at some point, injury or whatever. But yeah he's not a blocking receiver. I think Clercius has been pretty good blocking when on the field, and has been more productive as a receiver... I agree JJ is in there for blocking but can't help but think there are other options. I'd rather have someone like lucky or wheatfall on the field for passing downs. Use the fb's (if healthy) for blocking

Quote from: towelie on September 08, 2024, 02:11:00 AMI think Wheatfall has a legit shot at some point, injury or whatever. But yeah he's not a blocking receiver. I think Clercius has been pretty good blocking when on the field, and has been more productive as a receiver... I agree JJ is in there for blocking but can't help but think there are other options. I'd rather have someone like lucky or wheatfall on the field for passing downs. Use the fb's (if healthy) for blocking

Agree most
Great point about FBs

Proud of 44.  Doesn't get that much love but he is a key depth guy for us.  100 games, doing something right.

Quote from: Blueforlife on September 08, 2024, 01:48:50 AMZach played good imo.  Can agree to disagree.
Thomas isn't a stat machine, played good enough to help limit Sask's offense
The original argument was against Thomas and 3 man rush.  The combo worked again.  All the stats by DBs and LBs by design; the system worked twice in a row.
Happy with Zach, Thomas, play calling, DL.  We can agree to disagree. 
I see a great team, best in the West.  Yes room to improve but we are cooking with gas all there phases imo.
I see no issues with the offense or Zach.  Yup we winning, yes we rolling.  You see issues I see a great offense.  See who is right come playoffs.

My only concern with this club is the health of our OL, Strev, Drew and Biggie.

I see little value in most of our exchanges as of late.  Let's give it a break.  We won't see eye to eye on much.  That's ok.  We have different opinions. I value your input on here in general.

Each week if different, our schemes will adjust and be well suited for most teams.  We are not at Montreal's level yet but getting close.

The true is usually somewhere between two strings ends of an argument

4 teams scored more points than the Bombers today. The Bombers are still last in offence in points and yardage.

Winning is a factor of the rest of the team playing well and does not totally fall on the back of the offence.

Harris had more yardage than Collaros. The good news is that Collaros is not turning over the ball.

Thomas is not a stat machine since he records no stats and has no impact on the outcome of the game. Watch the Riders 1st TD series and watch Thomas specifically. You'll see him in chase mode.

Bombers may win in the playoffs and even win the Grey Cup. that's not the issue.

You may not see value in the conversations but others do.  If you can't accept being challenged on your statements then you need to step away from the computer.  Either that or be prepared to support your statements with facts and not generalizations.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 08, 2024, 02:42:15 AM4 teams scored more points than the Bombers today. The Bombers are still last in offence in points and yardage.

Winning is a factor of the rest of the team playing well and does not totally fall on the back of the offence.

Harris had more yardage than Collaros. The good news is that Collaros is not turning over the ball.

Thomas is not a stat machine since he records no stats and has no impact on the outcome of the game. Watch the Riders 1st TD series and watch Thomas specifically. You'll see him in chase mode.

Bombers may win in the playoffs and even win the Grey Cup. that's not the issue.

You may not see value in the conversations but others do.  If you can't accept being challenged on your statements then you need to step away from the computer.  Either that or be prepared to support your statements with facts and not generalizations.

Stop making it about me, focus on ball.  I love a debate on here, not enjoying it with you lately.  I have no problem with people challenging each others opinions, it's how this place functions.  Finding it provided little value with you at the moment tbh.
Imo, Thomas is a good DL with the right passport and will continue to start.  Agree to disagree.  Watching a play where he gets beat means nothing to me, yes it will happen to a vet with limited speed (also happens to Biggie at times).  It's seasons worth of play that matters to me.
Zach is playing well, offense is playing well imo.  Agree to disagree.
Not going anywhere.  Suggesting I step away from the keyboard is over the top.  I don't need facts for every argument or opinion, yes they can be helpful and relevant. 
Here to voice my opinion, always have, always will be.  You have tried to take shots at my character at times on here and it's wearing thin.  Focus on ball, not me, not sure why you can't do that after numerous requests.  Thanks.
Yup shot at the cup, all that matters.

I m thinking this is Jakey s swan song, he played his 200th game today, which is a tremendous accomplishment, but he is dreadfully slow and always in chase mode. He's always been the sentimental fan favourite, but I'm thinking this is it for him

Quote from: dd on September 08, 2024, 02:57:58 AMI m thinking this is Jakey s swan song, he played his 200th game today, which is a tremendous accomplishment, but he is dreadfully slow and always in chase mode. He's always been the sentimental fan favourite, but I'm thinking this is it for him

Time will tell.  See how the season ends.  Not an old man's game or position.

Game Recap | SSK 21 WPG 26 - Ed Tait

..."When you've got two physical football teams meeting together it's going to be a slugfest," said (Kenny) Lawler. "You've just got to be the one to keep swinging and not let off. As tough as it got, we kept swinging, we kept hanging in there and we figured out how to pull it out.

"Just a tremendous team effort in all phases. We've been locked in, dialled in every practice and like we've said we're just trying to go 1-0 each week and we've been doing that. We've been dialled in, focused, executing, figuring out how to win these close games. We're back playing the type of football we play."

More on another Banjo Bowl win – Winnipeg's 13th in the 20-year history of the game – from our view in the press box...

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/09/07/game-recap-ssk-21-wpg-26/

Quote from: Pete on September 07, 2024, 08:00:39 PMDoes it feel like we have to fight so much harder for our first downs?

On my rewatch I was thinking just exactly that!  Every game this year except maybe the LDC we fight and scratch for every yard and every single catch has 2+ defenders right there harassing and taking down our R.

Then you watch Trevor just effortlessly getting 49 10-yard slants, curls and outs a game without any issue and guys wide open.  Well, until he doesn't and it's an INT or a batdown.

I get it, our D is doing this on purpose, so OK, ignore the D... why can't our O get separation?  Why aren't we out-thinking them and getting busts in coverage?

Take the Lawler fingertip whiff in this game.  If he doesn't have that DB draped all over him tipping it away, he gets a 55Y catch.  So why did he have 2 DBs draped all over him?

In theory if other teams are playing our guys super tight, that should open up the busts and double moves.  But it doesn't and isn't.  Why?

I don't care as much, because we are winning, but it would certainly help in the future if we had some "easy" yards like every other team does.

3Q6:18 The Johnson circus catch at the rail ruled OOB... I'm pretty sure he's inbounds and that's a completion.  He purposely puts his heel down before the toes, and the heel is inbounds.  When the toes tap after, they are OOB.

Basically impossible to discern without freezeframe, as it all happens in about 2 frames.

Too bad, he got robbed of his best catch of the season, and first time he's shown some real capability.  Good no-challenge, because after the MTL Alexander debacle, this would prove to be basically the same thing: command wouldn't care it was ruled incorrectly because freezeframe would be needed to prove otherwise.

Also, totally wicked pass by Zach under such pressure!!  Watch that again, completely insane.  He got robbed too.

I was driving through Sask on my way to Edmonton listening to the game on the radio. Loved the Blink tribute and Ring of Honour thing. He was great!

What a game! Punch, counter punch, etc. Back and forth, and once again, under pressure, when we needed it the most, Zach connects with Lawler for the winning score. I just loved it!

CJOB faded out in the 3rd quarter and I was scanning radio stations trying to find the game. Bingo! I found the Sask broadcast. That was a treat! LOL!

The best part was the call in show. Lol! A lot of fans want Harris gone and Patterson playing. Why? Cuz he's not mobile and Patterson is.

Oh, and according to them, the Brown hit on Streveler was clean.

Quote from: markf on September 07, 2024, 09:09:44 PMPull helmet off not a penalty?

I just checked and it's totally a helmet pull off, from the FM and also below the FM (2 hands).  He got away with it because he did it "upside down" from above.  EITS should step in on those and flag the UR.

I haven't watched the game yet, only listened. Someone tell me, is Sask the dirtiest team in the league or what? BTW, they were accusing us of being a dirty team. Hmmm ... not that I've seen.

I thought the John Liu interview with Osh was great.

Quote from: J5V on September 08, 2024, 07:17:42 AMI haven't watched the game yet, only listened. Someone tell me, is Sask the dirtiest team in the league or what? BTW, they were accusing us of being a dirty team. Hmmm ... not that I've seen.

SSK has always been a cheatin' team, in terms of doing extra holding (yes, even moreso than the "if you're not holding you're not trying" norm), faking injuries to substitute players, etc.

However, I'm seeing a ton of teams doing every little extra hit they can just nanoseconds before the whistle, on guys who are already down or clearly going down.  Ya, it's a part of football, but the desire to hurt/maim seems increased this season.  It's like most teams plan around grinding down RBs, Rs and QBs by getting every little lick in they can.

So "dirtiest team"... I don't know.  Depends how you define it.  But I would give them credit as the most underhanded and pushing-the-limits, especially when they play us.

The jury's still out on Brown#90... almost worthy of its own thread.  However, no one can now say he "doesn't have a history", because 3 QBs knocked out of games is 100% "a history" and cannot be disputed or overlooked.  The big question will be does he get a mere fine again, or a full suspension (2 games would probably fit precedent).  The league will now look at the "history" and full "body of work" when deciding, not just the latest hit itself.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 08, 2024, 01:43:37 AMThomas played well? He recorded no stats. Didn't get in the same postal code as Harris. He did squat against the run.

You can never judge Fatboi by the stats sheet.  I watched him keenly today (I usually do).  He was doing his normal Fatboi things that clearly many missed.

There was a Trevor turf-throw that was directly caused by Fatboi.  He was pushing his hoggie back on roller skates until he directly bumped into Trevor who was setting up to throw.  Ya, he pushed that guy back like 8Y like he was only 200 lbs.  Trevor had to turf it in a panic, and SSK was off the field.

So many other times SSK devoted 2 OL to Fatboi alone.  They don't do that if they think he's nobody: they'd double or triple Willie instead.  If Fatboi is tying up 2 hoggies, then he's helping us win the math game, and MOS is big on the LoS math.

I'm sure he did a lot more, too, but on first rewatch those are what stood out.  So at least 1 force-SSK-off-the-field, which is pretty darn good seeing as how SSK got maybe 9 drives the whole game?

Not saying he's the best... but I noticed him more than whoever our other DT was!!  Oh ya, and Schmeckel was getting manhandled and pushed around like a DB by the OL... so careful who you are criticizing!

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 07, 2024, 10:33:45 PMEarlier in the game I saw a defensive player down but didn't see who it was or whether he returned. Looked like a DL due to his size.

Anyone notice?

I could have sworn Neufeld went down when I was at @PAS, and it looked somewhat bad.  But he did return to the game in 1-2 series.

Very strange, but I didn't notice this at all on TSN on my rewatch, but I wasn't really looking for it.  Did TSN miss it completely?  I guess I'll look for the plays where Eli was in for Neuf.

I also saw (who I thought was) #0 Milligan take a knee and get help on the field, I think after a P or K play.  He gets help for a while and then the trainers leave with some other player and #0 was still on the field!

I noticed this stuff as I track injuries with my binocs @PAS and check the charts to see how much the team will be hurt.

I'm trying to find it on the broadcast, or at least a hint of it.  But I'm having trouble.  Did anyone remember around what time this occurred?  Anything shown on TSN?

I got really irate at the game and was then watching MOS to see if he noticed, and he seemed to be chirping to his closets ref, but not too angrily.  And nothing was done about it, though maybe #0 came out a play later.

What's the penalty for a team leaving a took-the-knee player in the game??  I've seen refs stop games before for this and force them out.  Did everyone botch this?

(There's a small chance the player had a number that ended in 0, not #0 exactly, as I never got a 100% clear look at it.)

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 08, 2024, 09:08:58 AMYou can never judge Fatboi by the stats sheet.  I watched him keenly today (I usually do).  He was doing his normal Fatboi things that clearly many missed.

There was a Trevor turf-throw that was directly caused by Fatboi.  He was pushing his hoggie back on roller skates until he directly bumped into Trevor who was setting up to throw.  Ya, he pushed that guy back like 8Y like he was only 200 lbs.  Trevor had to turf it in a panic, and SSK was off the field.

So many other times SSK devoted 2 OL to Fatboi alone.  They don't do that if they think he's nobody: they'd double or triple Willie instead.  If Fatboi is tying up 2 hoggies, then he's helping us win the math game, and MOS is big on the LoS math.

I'm sure he did a lot more, too, but on first rewatch those are what stood out.  So at least 1 force-SSK-off-the-field, which is pretty darn good seeing as how SSK got maybe 9 drives the whole game?

Not saying he's the best... but I noticed him more than whoever our other DT was!!  Oh ya, and Schmeckel was getting manhandled and pushed around like a DB by the OL... so careful who you are criticizing!

I know he often is taking up more than one DL but he's still ultimately washed out. Watch the 1st TD drive by the Riders and watch him in chase mode. That's what we see too often.

It's not what you might do right every now and then, it's the failures that are more meaningful.

Schmekel is a rookie and hardly ever on the AR. Saying Thomas might be better than our import DL could be setting a low bar. Noting that Adams that we didn't dress has 4 sacks to Thomas's 1.

Ok. Now that we have a good grasp on 1st place, the question will be how healthy can we get going forward.

We might not have lost Streveler yet but it didn't look good. Hopefully it's more pain than actual injury and he recovers during the bye.

Woli got nicked but I think he's ok but not 100%. Lots of players will be that way for the rest of the season.

Bryant should be back after the bye in theory. If he isn't then there is more to this than we're being told.

Bighill might have a similar issue as Streveler. Could be very serious or just tweeked and back after the bye.

We can't afford to lose anybody else.

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 08, 2024, 01:43:37 AMThomas played well? He recorded no stats. Didn't get in the same postal code as Harris. He did squat against the run.

Jefferson was the only player on the DL to record a stat. All the DT's were by the DB's and a few by the LB's.

You can't keep saying these are not issues just because we won.

You commented that the offence didn't play well in the 1st half was over stated in the negative.   We were leading 13 - 3 at half time. 10 points were the result of early turnovers in good field position.

Collaros only threw for 103 yards in the 1st half. Play calling was suspect.

That's a bad 1st half in anybodies reasonable view.

Thomas is playing less snaps than ever, despite some posters saying "he's fine". In the three man rush we've been employing, he's often the odd man out.

We can agree or disagree with youngers 3 man DL solution, but they're  obviously not going to be picking up stats in this alignment.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 08, 2024, 09:13:08 AMI could have sworn Neufeld went down when I was at @PAS, and it looked somewhat bad.  But he did return to the game in 1-2 series.

Very strange, but I didn't notice this at all on TSN on my rewatch, but I wasn't really looking for it.  Did TSN miss it completely?  I guess I'll look for the plays where Eli was in for Neuf.

Yes he went down and came back.  Didn't miss much time.  Can't remember when.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 08, 2024, 09:08:58 AMYou can never judge Fatboi by the stats sheet.  I watched him keenly today (I usually do).  He was doing his normal Fatboi things that clearly many missed.

There was a Trevor turf-throw that was directly caused by Fatboi.  He was pushing his hoggie back on roller skates until he directly bumped into Trevor who was setting up to throw.  Ya, he pushed that guy back like 8Y like he was only 200 lbs.  Trevor had to turf it in a panic, and SSK was off the field.

So many other times SSK devoted 2 OL to Fatboi alone.  They don't do that if they think he's nobody: they'd double or triple Willie instead.  If Fatboi is tying up 2 hoggies, then he's helping us win the math game, and MOS is big on the LoS math.

I'm sure he did a lot more, too, but on first rewatch those are what stood out.  So at least 1 force-SSK-off-the-field, which is pretty darn good seeing as how SSK got maybe 9 drives the whole game?

Not saying he's the best... but I noticed him more than whoever our other DT was!!  Oh ya, and Schmeckel was getting manhandled and pushed around like a DB by the OL... so careful who you are criticizing!

Love some Thomas love my friend. He plays his role well.  He isn't a star and some like to rag on him on here.  A role player and key cog that never gets hurts, is very consistent and has always done what we ask of him.  Thanks for providing some much needed balance to the discussion here.  Props man. Nice to know he helped pressure Harris, he simply gets it done!  Sounds like he got in the same postal code on that play!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 08, 2024, 09:21:31 AMI also saw (who I thought was) #0 Milligan take a knee and get help on the field, I think after a P or K play.  He gets help for a while and then the trainers leave with some other player and #0 was still on the field!

I noticed this stuff as I track injuries with my binocs @PAS and check the charts to see how much the team will be hurt.

I'm trying to find it on the broadcast, or at least a hint of it.  But I'm having trouble.  Did anyone remember around what time this occurred?  Anything shown on TSN?

I got really irate at the game and was then watching MOS to see if he noticed, and he seemed to be chirping to his closets ref, but not too angrily.  And nothing was done about it, though maybe #0 came out a play later.

What's the penalty for a team leaving a took-the-knee player in the game??  I've seen refs stop games before for this and force them out.  Did everyone botch this?

(There's a small chance the player had a number that ended in 0, not #0 exactly, as I never got a 100% clear look at it.)

Yes it was Milligan & no he didn't have to miss any plays.

A player must sit out 3 plays if the game is delayed to an injury (i.e. injury timeout). If the game is paused due to a scheduled TV timeout an injured player has until the end of the TV timeout to get back into the game. It only becomes an injury timeout if the game is further delayed when the TV timeout ends.

CTV showed an official communicating to O'Shea that Milligan got up before the TV timeout ended and that he could continue to play. The mic caught a portion if this.

Calling Techno... Calling Techno.

Please post the hit on Strevy's knees. I thought the hit was at or above the knees, not below the knees. The strike zone for QB's is below the shoulders and above the knees. Are the arms considers part of the 'strike'? If so, then obviously a penalty. If not, then maybe not.

Nice win against a team that hasn't won in 7 straight games.

The Riders looked like they were taking charge of the game until the Strevy hit. Then we got pissed and took it out on them.

They beat us in Passing, net offence, first downs, & sacks. We beat them in TOP, picks and on the scoreboard. 

Tied for first in the West. I didn't think we'd get there this year considering our start. 

Tyrell Ford is awesome.

Miles Brown is unawesome.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 08, 2024, 02:46:30 PMCalling Techno... Calling Techno.

Please post the hit on Strevy's knees. I thought the hit was at or above the knees, not below the knees. The strike zone for QB's is below the shoulders and above the knees. Are the arms considers part of the 'strike'? If so, then obviously a penalty. If not, then maybe not.

Nice win against a team that hasn't won in 7 straight games.

The Riders looked like they were taking charge of the game until the Strevy hit. Then we got pissed and took it out on them.

They beat us in Passing, net offence, first downs, & sacks. We beat them in TOP, picks and on the scoreboard.

Tied for first in the West. I didn't think we'd get there this year considering our start.

That cheap shot hit on Streveler seemed to fire up the crowd. It was never quiet in PSA but after that hit the volume went up dramatically and just got louder as the game progressed. That stadium has never been louder than it was in the last minute.

Quote from: bwiser on September 08, 2024, 04:13:39 PMThat cheap shot hit on Streveler seemed to fire up the crowd. It was never quiet in PSA but after that hit the volume went up dramatically and just got louder as the game progressed. That stadium has never been louder than it was in the last minute.

Fired up the whole team.  We will never know but that might have been the turning point. 

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Thanks for posting that.  Get a true assessment when in comes from players.  Especially ones we trust.

Doug Brown mentioned on the CJOB postgame show that if he was in that situation he probably would get flagged as well. He didn't think that there was anything that could be done to avoid the hit.

Maybe that hit wasn't so bad but the Riders are still trashy. Eric Lofton posted on social after the game that Baldonado was spitting on him.

They don't play the right way. Always nasty rumours around that organization.

Enjoyed the rewatch on the pvr today.  Couldnt help but laugh everytime it was mentioned how good the support of the Rider fans in attendance.  I havn't missed a banjo bowl in years and this was by far the smallest green attendance to date.  Small green eyesore group together below the rum hut in the endzone but other than a few greenies here and there, that was it.  Perhaps there were not a lot of seats available as our Bomber fans sold this out back in June.
Go Bombers!!!

Quote from: Bluehawk on September 08, 2024, 05:58:45 PMEnjoyed the rewatch on the pvr today.  Couldnt help but laugh everytime it was mentioned how good the support of the Rider fans in attendance.  I havn't missed a banjo bowl in years and this was by far the smallest green attendance to date.  Small green eyesore group together below the rum hut in the endzone but other than a few greenies here and there, that was it.  Perhaps there were not a lot of seats available as our Bomber fans sold this out back in June.
Go Bombers!!!

That is true and I also think that Manitobans know that if you want to go to the Banjo Bowl you have to get tickets as soon as they go on sale because that game always sells out and usually weeks before the game.

Quote from: Stats Junkie on September 08, 2024, 02:00:24 PMYes it was Milligan & no he didn't have to miss any plays.

A player must sit out 3 plays if the game is delayed to an injury (i.e. injury timeout). If the game is paused due to a scheduled TV timeout an injured player has until the end of the TV timeout to get back into the game. It only becomes an injury timeout if the game is further delayed when the TV timeout ends.

Wow.  That's a new one for me!  Booth guys always explain it as "if the trainers hit the field, you're out for 3 plays".  Never thought of how the ad time would impact this.  But there it is in Article 8!

I guess they did get it done fast enough, because I can't find any hint of him ever being injured on the broadcast.

Strange injury that only takes 90secs to deal with...

Thanks for uploading the new useful info to my brain!

Quote from: Blue In BC on September 08, 2024, 01:01:55 PMI know he often is taking up more than one DL but he's still ultimately washed out. Wash the 1st TD drive by the Riders and watch him in chase mode. That's what we see too often.

Fatboi does often have trouble shedding blocks, then again so does almost all our DL, and even LBers when plugging holes.  We haven't had a great shedder since probably Stove.  I guess Sayles was good too.

I don't hold it against him if he's being double-teamed... but we could, of course, wish he could better shed 1-on-1 blocks for running plays.

There were a few plays in the 4th (I think) where SSK was getting some good ground pounding going: I'll have to rewatch to see if Fatboi was any less useful than the other guys.  The fact that Hickson was getting a few 10s means that the whole DL was failing...

Those sad sack of poor sports  are getting what they deserve.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 08, 2024, 02:46:30 PMCalling Techno... Calling Techno.

Please post the hit on Strevy's knees.

You rang?

Funny how the SSK fans are only posting the very start of the hit to claim it's "clean".  The hit does initiate above the knees.  But if you watch the full progression below you can see that the malicious/injurious act was Brown's right arm fully wrapping around Strev's leg way below the knee, whilst applying his full body weight and momentum against the knee.

It's like a jiu-jitsu move, applying force in a direction that should never be applied unless you want to blow knees and ankles out.

And he's not wrapping up around both legs with his arms: just each one separately, which also contributes to the injury.

Notice how Brown holds Strev's left calf/shin through the whole progression.  Only in the very last frame does he start to let go.

You can also see what Strev's injury will be: look at the 3rd frame... your leg can't make that shape without things going awry.

Intent or no intent, "dirty" or not dirty, I bet Brown gets a fine for this.  I hope he likes working for half pay, because this will be 3 of 18 games he's lost half a game cheque.

The only way he gets a suspension is if the league wants to send a message that you can't be the one player maiming 3 QBs.  You have to try to do whatever you can to mitigate it.  It would kind of be like how Simoni and Marino's punishments kept amping up after repeat offenses.

P.S. If Strev hadn't been hit I bet he gets the air on that ball he intended and Kenny gets a big TD.

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Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 09, 2024, 01:06:34 AMThose sad sack of poor sports  are getting what they deserve.

It's funny, some on their forum posted in the LDC classic and pre-BB threads that they wanted Brown et al to put Strev and Zach out of commission...

After the Strev hit, some were saying they might as well take Zach out too.

They think the Strev hit cost them the game.  They are forgetting that it occurred on 2nd & 2, meaning if the hit on Strev never occurred, and we miss the pass, we likely convert on 3rd & 2 at C.  MOS had every intention of going for it, otherwise he wouldn't have taken the "free play".

The only thing that would have been different would be maybe we don't get as fired up after.  But I like to think our guys would have found a way to get morale up to pull out the same win.

The hit initiated in the QB hit zone so by rule it's not a penalty. Same as if the hit was right in the stomach, then the player slid down the body.

I'm not surprised it was called though, because it injured a QB.

Thx for finding it for me.

Thanks for the pictures techno. Pretty clear on those pictures that Brown's got his right arm wrapped around Streveler's left leg below the knee.

Although the Banjo Bowl was officially sold out, there were lots of tickets available on the secondary market at sites other than ticketmaster. They are marked up quite a bit, but prices tend to fall closer to game day. I was at the game and noticed far fewer rider fans than in previous years. I think it probably reflects that their fan base is disenchanted with the team, and the way it has folded in the second half of the season the past 3 years.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 01:19:46 AMThe hit initiated in the QB hit zone so by rule it's not a penalty. Same as if the hit was right in the stomach, then the player slid down the body.

Well, RTP has a lot of rule elements... we can't just focus on the "above the knee" part.  Refs/command/CFL may very well rule he didn't commit "RTP above the knee".  Doesn't mean he didn't commit other RTP infractions.  So let's look:

Rule 7 - Section 1 - Article 5
(b) Contacting the passer in an unnecessary manner including stuffing them to the ground, [...]  and landing on them with most of the defender's weight.

I would say what happened would qualify for stuffing and applying most of the weight.  So there's one aspect the ref could have applied.

(d) Delivering a blow at or below the knees of the passer, regardless if the defender's path to the passer was unrestricted or if they are coming off a blocker.

Interesting, the rule isn't just "below" the knees, it includes the knees themselves.  The initial contact wasn't the blow that crippled Strev, it was the squeeze and follow through and weight application and if you look at my pictures you'll see this actually does occur mostly right on Strev's left knee!  So is it just the initial hit that counts, or the entire process of the injury?  I guess: define "blow".

The "regardless" part means SSK fans need to stop blabbing about "but he was pushed!", because that hasn't been relevant for years.  Guys rolling around coming off blocks into QB shins has been called for many seasons now, on far less forceful and injurious hits.  Being pushed can matter for us judging if he's "dirty", but not whether it's a penalty or not.

One could also argue that you could use general UR rules to call this RTP.  In general any in-whistle UR on the passer gets called as RTP.  In fact the prologue to the article says: "A player shall be penalized for any act of UR to the passer, including but not limited to"... you could easily argue the roughness was unnecessary in many ways.  Did he really need to jui-jitsu his knee like that?  Did he have to hold on so long?  Did he have to apply his full weight?

And I just noticed something else against Brown: look at the 2nd last and last pics.  Brown straightens his whole body up to put even more force into Strev!  Why is he doing that?  He should be curling up more, not trying to kick off to get more weight on Strev!!  Holy smokes, this guy is 100% fined, and now I think 75% he gets a suspension.  He needs to be reined in.

Keep in mind on RTP command can auto-intervene if they think the refs got it wrong.  The on-field refs can also ask for assistance if they aren't sure.  The fact that neither happened means that command thinks this is a legit RTP.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 01:45:37 AMWell, RTP has a lot of rule elements... we can't just focus on the "above the knee" part.  Refs/command/CFL may very well rule he didn't commit "RTP above the knee".  Doesn't mean he didn't commit other RTP infractions.  So let's look:

Rule 7 - Section 1 - Article 5
(b) Contacting the passer in an unnecessary manner including stuffing them to the ground, [...]  and landing on them with most of the defender's weight.

I would say what happened would qualify for stuffing and applying most of the weight.  So there's one aspect the ref could have applied.

(d) Delivering a blow at or below the knees of the passer, regardless if the defender's path to the passer was unrestricted or if they are coming off a blocker.

Interesting, the rule isn't just "below" the knees, it includes the knees themselves.  The initial contact wasn't the blow that crippled Strev, it was the squeeze and follow through and weight application and if you look at my pictures you'll see this actually does occur mostly right on Strev's left knee!  So is it just the initial hit that counts, or the entire process of the injury?  I guess: define "blow".

The "regardless" part means SSK fans need to stop blabbing about "but he was pushed!", because that hasn't been relevant for years.  Guys rolling around coming off blocks into QB shins has been called for many seasons now, on far less forceful and injurious hits.  Being pushed can matter for us judging if he's "dirty", but not whether it's a penalty or not.

One could also argue that you could use general UR rules to call this RTP.  In general any in-whistle UR on the passer gets called as RTP.  In fact the prologue to the article says: "A player shall be penalized for any act of UR to the passer, including but not limited to"... you could easily argue the roughness was unnecessary in many ways.  Did he really need to jui-jitsu his knee like that?  Did he have to hold on so long?  Did he have to apply his full weight?

And I just noticed something else against Brown: look at the 2nd last and last pics.  Brown straightens his whole body up to put even more force into Strev!  Why is he doing that?  He should be curling up more, not trying to kick off to get more weight on Strev!!  Holy smokes, this guy is 100% fined, and now I think 75% he gets a suspension.  He needs to be reined in.

Keep in mind on RTP command can auto-intervene if they think the refs got it wrong.  The on-field refs can also ask for assistance if they aren't sure.  The fact that neither happened means that command thinks this is a legit RTP.

I agree. It's pretty clear the hit is below the left knee, which is the injured knee.And it's not just the wrap with the arm, but the follow through of the whole weight of his torso against the left leg below the knee. And if you watch in real time, he's not just helplessly falling forward, he's reaching with his arms and arching his body to maximize the force. It's a dirty play.

And rewatching the game, both Suitor and Nielson had the exact same interpretation of what happened. 

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 01:10:11 AMYou rang?

Funny how the SSK fans are only posting the very start of the hit to claim it's "clean".  The hit does initiate above the knees.  But if you watch the full progression below you can see that the malicious/injurious act was Brown's right arm fully wrapping around Strev's leg way below the knee, whilst applying his full body weight and momentum against the knee.

It's like a jiu-jitsu move, applying force in a direction that should never be applied unless you want to blow knees and ankles out.

And he's not wrapping up around both legs with his arms: just each one separately, which also contributes to the injury.

Notice how Brown holds Strev's left calf/shin through the whole progression.  Only in the very last frame does he start to let go.

You can also see what Strev's injury will be: look at the 3rd frame... your leg can't make that shape without things going awry.

Intent or no intent, "dirty" or not dirty, I bet Brown gets a fine for this.  I hope he likes working for half pay, because this will be 3 of 18 games he's lost half a game cheque.

The only way he gets a suspension is if the league wants to send a message that you can't be the one player maiming 3 QBs.  You have to try to do whatever you can to mitigate it.  It would kind of be like how Simoni and Marino's punishments kept amping up after repeat offenses.

P.S. If Strev hadn't been hit I bet he gets the air on that ball he intended and Kenny gets a big TD.

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Great post Tech...the series of pictures you have highlighted shows a very clear hit to the left knee and lower leg.
If Brown had not wrapped the leg with his right arm with continued forward momentum, I doubt the injury occurs.  This hit is absolutely worthy of a suspension.  All quarterbacks in the league are too valuable for this to continue period.  I would also say this if a Bomber lineman did the same to an opposing quarterback.  CFL brass, its time to step up, show leadership and send a very clear message to the players.  Will be an interesting week to see the response from the league.  I hope they actually see the series of pictures posted here. 

The hit clearly initiates above the knee. That's the blow in the rules.

A blow is the initial hit or a punch or a flipper. It's not wrapping up.

An arm wrap isn't a penalty. It's good tackling form.

Being pushed isn't a factor.

Applying your full weight isn't a penalty, it's how you tackle well. 

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 03:09:33 PMThe hit clearly initiates above the knee. That's the blow in the rules.

A blow is the initial hit or a punch or a flipper. It's not wrapping up.

An arm wrap isn't a penalty. It's good tackling form.

Being pushed isn't a factor.

Applying your full weight isn't a penalty, it's how you tackle well.

It's true Brown's helmet impacts Strevs. thigh but the vector of the energy transfer can be reduced to an "average" location or the max. stress point. In this instance with most of his momentum moving horizontally it's easy to see that location would be directly on Strevs's left knee.

The officials can't see vectors in real time, but the rules they are applying are designed to protect QB's and eliminate dangerous tackles such as this. In the least a UR penalty was warranted because it follows the spirit of that rule.

Great pics, Techno. Thanks very much. I agree with all that state it is suspension-worthy.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 03:09:33 PMThe hit clearly initiates above the knee. That's the blow in the rules.

A blow is the initial hit or a punch or a flipper. It's not wrapping up.

An arm wrap isn't a penalty. It's good tackling form.

Being pushed isn't a factor.

Applying your full weight isn't a penalty, it's how you tackle well.

So you are saying an arm wrap below the knee is okay???
Is an arm wrap not considered a tackle or a hit?

The arm wrap is completely uneccesary, and not part of a player falling down on top of a player that is already falling without the ball.  The action of grabbing the leg and securing it as he falls through it is just nasty, and I hope it gets a good sized fine, and puts him on the "repeat offender" list with 3 offences.

Quote from: Bluehawk on September 09, 2024, 06:15:13 PMSo you are saying an arm wrap below the knee is okay???
Is an arm wrap not considered a tackle or a hit?

An arm wrap is part of a tackle and it's OK. I'm saying it's not " (d) Delivering a blow at or below the knees of the passer".

Here's another photo taken from Strev's left side.
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Great post Tecno. Confirms what I saw originally, dirty and intentional. Really hoping Edmonton gets third place now and that some action is taken by the league.

Is there any way to see a replay of a CFL game with the view of the full field?

It would be nice for fans that like to analyze the games. Like a lot of the people here.

Thanks for the analysis and photos of the play on streveller.

Opponents have been late hit and dirty hitting him all season often without penalty. Pulling and twisting his legs....

Last game a guy clearly gave him a headshot. After he was down. Lined it up.  No call. Streveller didn't even shrug... he's so used to it. Got up and left the field.

Defensive  players are going to notice that it's open season and act accordingly.

Really stupid outmoded stuff in the CFL  in this department.

When was the last time a player was ejected?

Ya I didn't buy Brown saying he was being held or pushed into Strevy....it was him and him alone that decided to make contact....and just look at Strevy's ankle and knee on the hit...yikes, that's brutal. If the league doesn't suspend him, there is no justice in the CFL and player safety is a complete joke. Two time offender, within a week, suspension is an absolute must, I m thinking 2 games would be right. Right now, Brown isn't taking ownership in either infraction, that's unacceptable. Sorry Mr Brown, but you are a dirty player.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 03:09:33 PMThe hit clearly initiates above the knee. That's the blow in the rules.

True

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 03:09:33 PMA blow is the initial hit or a punch or a flipper. It's not wrapping up.

Ok, one could argue that, and it may be valid.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 03:09:33 PMAn arm wrap isn't a penalty. It's good tackling form.

It could be if the arm wrap was considered UR.  Remember, UR can constitute nearly anything "unnecessary".  There's a lot of leeway for refs and command and the league in there.

If your arms wrap results in an "arm bar" type, martial-arts type joint-destroying move, then I would argue that certainly falls under UR.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 03:09:33 PMBeing pushed isn't a factor.

True.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 09, 2024, 03:09:33 PMApplying your full weight isn't a penalty, it's how you tackle well.

"Full weight" is literally right in the rule I quoted.  The only question is does it only apply when you are pancaking someone, or can it apply when you are thrusting forward perpendicularly?  It's ambiguous enough I would apply it here as well.  How much of Brown's weight was going through Strev's leg once you factor in his momentum?

Let's all remember that Strevie was 100% in the pocket when this occurred and as such receives a ton of the more "traditional" protection, and moves that injure him should and will receive a lot more scrutiny.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 09, 2024, 08:49:35 PMHere's another photo taken from Strev's left side.

Great additional pic!!  We didn't get that angle on TSN.

Ouch, I was worried there may have been some twisting too.  And there was!  Twisting ankle, and now also bowing of the lower leg outwards unnaturally.

There's 3 things that may now be messed up in Strev's knee/ankle.  Even worse than first imagined.

No way there isn't additional punishment for Miles Clown.

Why am I the only one saying this is similar to the Marino-Masoli hit that got a suspension and eventual expulsion?

In Marino's case, it wasn't the initial "blow" that got him suspended (even though it was a foul below the knee), it was his follow-up arm wrap, grabbing and pressing into Masoli with his full weight that got him suspended.

I see no difference here.  He's purposely applying his full weight and force into the leg when he doesn't have to be, and he continues with a lot of follow-through.  Not as much as Marino, but enough to cripple Strevie.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 09:44:46 PMWhy am I the only one saying this is similar to the Marino-Masoli hit that got a suspension and eventual expulsion?

In Marino's case, it wasn't the initial "blow" that got him suspended (even though it was a foul below the knee), it was his follow-up arm wrap, grabbing and pressing into Masoli with his full weight that got him suspended.

I see no difference here.  He's purposely applying his full weight and force into the leg when he doesn't have to be, and he continues with a lot of follow-through.  Not as much as Marino, but enough to cripple Strevie.

I still recall Marino's signature move vividly, it was a full wrap followed by a deliberate twist, didn't see the deliberate twist in this case.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 09, 2024, 09:52:59 PMI still recall Marino's signature move vividly, it was a full wrap followed by a deliberate twist, didn't see the deliberate twist in this case.

I don't remember the twist... What I remember is him crushing Masoli's shins by pulling the lowest part of his leg while putting his full weight through the shins/knees.

And I thought Marino wrapped both legs together with both arms, not each leg separately.  Harder to twist if you're wrapping both legs?  I guess you could twist both as a unit but that should cause less injury than twisting just one leg?

I wonder if I still have it on the PVR... or if someone has a link?

Edit: I do kind of remember a twist once Masoli was already on the turf... Marino definitely continued the injurious pressure way longer than Brown did.  So that itself may help Brown get a lesser punishment.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 09, 2024, 08:49:35 PMHere's another photo taken from Strev's left side.
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Techno, since you have a Riderfans account can you please post this image on their forum to shut those monkeys up. Thanks!

If he's being pushed, how does he arm wrap, and how is that a "tackle" when the QB has already released the ball, and you are wrapping below the knee?

Its buloney, and he's got to be on a repeat offenders list.  Knocking 3 QB's out of games is NOT an accident.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 09, 2024, 12:44:25 AMFatboi does often have trouble shedding blocks, then again so does almost all our DL, and even LBers when plugging holes.  We haven't had a great shedder since probably Stove.  I guess Sayles was good too.

I don't hold it against him if he's being double-teamed... but we could, of course, wish he could better shed 1-on-1 blocks for running plays.

There were a few plays in the 4th (I think) where SSK was getting some good ground pounding going: I'll have to rewatch to see if Fatboi was any less useful than the other guys.  The fact that Hickson was getting a few 10s means that the whole DL was failing...

Well that's kind of the issue about not being able to shed blocks. We watch games where good DL shed blocks and even push two blockers back into the pocket towards the QB.

Being engaged by the RT & RG while the RB runs through the A gap over his right shoulder is a failure. Obviously rushing 3 DL doesn't help. Rushing 4 DL against 5 OL and possibly a FB or TE doesn't help.

If engaging 2 OL is intended to free up another rusher from the DL or a blitz from a LB or DB, that's great.

That's not what we're seeing because we're not getting to the QB.

"Techno, since you have a Riderfans account can you please post this image on their forum to shut those monkeys up. Thanks!"

I've vowed not to post on WPG threads there.  It serves no purpose because then no one there will ever listen to me.  My main goal @Riderfans is to highlight things that are league-wide issues that all fans can get on board with (like the "new command center").

Some people there do read here.  They'll see the pics.  If they choose to ignore them, then that's on them.

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Well that sucks. Streveler is a great team guy that inspires the team. He can still do that on the sidelines but losing him changes the team.

How this shakes out for our # 2 and # 3 spot will take a few weeks even if we sign new QB's today. Leaning the playbook will take some time. Having the extra few days in the bye may help if we manage that today or tomorrow?

I'm not worried about the Streveler injury. Yes it sucks but one thing we've learned about this club is we can find players. We needed to replace and found Garbut, we needed to replace Lawler and found Wilson, we needed to replace Yoshi and found Franklin, and Jones, and Ford, etc. We'll find someone to take over for Strev. Next man up. It's part of the game and nobody does it better than we do.

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Quote from: J5V on September 11, 2024, 05:08:11 PMI'm not worried about the Streveler injury. Yes it sucks but one thing we've learned about this club is we can find players. We needed to replace and found Garbut, we needed to replace Lawler and found Wilson, we needed to replace Yoshi and found Franklin, and Jones, and Ford, etc. We'll find someone to take over for Strev. Next man up. It's part of the game and nobody does it better than we do.

Heavy agree all

Wednesday came and went... no word on fines?  Want to find out what Brown is getting.  I'll be shocked if there's not something.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 12, 2024, 10:54:49 AMWednesday came and went... no word on fines?  Want to find out what Brown is getting.  I'll be shocked if there's not something.

I think fines are announced on Thursday, so I expect something at some point today.

If there was a suspension we would have heard about the cfl contacting Brown for a hearing

Quote from: Pete on September 12, 2024, 04:18:14 PMIf there was a suspension we would have heard about the cfl contacting Brown for a hearing

The CFL probably slid Brown a bonus under the table and told him "Next time, make sure you get Collaros".  :-\

So no fines this week??  League-wide?  Brown gets a seal of approval from the CFL: "ya, great job, keep maiming QBs! See if you can get to 5!"?

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 12, 2024, 01:22:45 PMI think fines are announced on Thursday, so I expect something at some point today.

Welp, nevermind. :-\

I'm not convinced the hit is worth a fine. It was significantly less questionable than the headshot he went out of his way to deliver in the Labour Day game. It sucks Streveler sustained such a serious injury but I think this one was just a football play. A flag by the letter of the law but if Streveler gets up and walks off no one is thinking there should be further discipline.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2024, 01:44:33 PMI'm not convinced the hit is worth a fine. It was significantly less questionable than the headshot he went out of his way to deliver in the Labour Day game. It sucks Streveler sustained such a serious injury but I think this one was just a football play. A flag by the letter of the law but if Streveler gets up and walks off no one is thinking there should be further discipline.

A legal hit that leaves a player injured, no fine.

An illegal hit, that draws a flag, and puts a player into a situation where he can suffer a potentially career ending injury, pretty sure that's what the fines are for.  Whether he sustains the injury, or walks off.

Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2024, 01:51:10 PMA legal hit that leaves a player injured, no fine.

An illegal hit, that draws a flag, and puts a player into a situation where he can suffer a potentially career ending injury, pretty sure that's what the fines are for.  Whether he sustains the injury, or walks off.

So every and all roughing the passer penalties should also be fined by the league afterwards?

Brown claimed he was pushed into Streveler, but it looks more like he lunged at him as he was falling.

It doesn't seem like the league is going to do anything about it, so it is what it is.

Here's hoping the slimy green loser machine misses the playoffs yet again.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 13, 2024, 01:55:10 PMSo every and all roughing the passer penalties should also be fined by the league afterwards?

RTP can be a passing handswipe that hits the head, or a head butt causing concussion.  If the infraction is egregious, whether there is an injury or not, yes, a fine is appropriate.

Brown's wrap and twist with his full weight behind it was egregious.  The outcome, which would not be the reason for the fine, is a confirmation of the nature of the hit.  And the nature of the hit is the reason for the fine, and the addition to a "repeat offenders" list.  He's taken QB's out of games 3 times this year.

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Does it feel like the league is delaying the announcement of fines/suspensions this week in hopes of some of the furor on both sides dying down? No matter what they decide on the Brown situation there will be large criticism.
I know both teams are on byes but surely there was a fine or two in the other games,

Quote from: theaardvark on September 13, 2024, 01:51:10 PMA legal hit that leaves a player injured, no fine.

An illegal hit, that draws a flag, and puts a player into a situation where he can suffer a potentially career ending injury, pretty sure that's what the fines are for.  Whether he sustains the injury, or walks off.

Based on everything I could see or find the hit while probably worth a penality which he got. However based on all the video I watched I do not think this was an attempt to injure

Quote from: BBRT on September 13, 2024, 07:35:13 PMBased on everything I could see or find the hit while probably worth a penality which he got. However based on all the video I watched I do not think this was an attempt to injure

This is where I stand as well for the most part.

It looks like Brown's initial point of contact was higher up on the leg but I dont think he needed to hug Strevy's knee however.

The hit is at the start of this video, and it doesnt look like Brown was pushed into Strevy.

Brown has rolled up on the back of one QB's leg injuring him, hit another QB in the head causing him to miss the second half of a game, and has now torn 3 ligaments in yet another QB's knee that is likely season ending. Is it just a coincidence that this same player has been in on all three of these QB injuries? Wouldn't three QB's in a row suggest a pattern of deliberate intent to injure? How many QBs would have to go down before you changed your mind? We're at three. Would five do it? How about nine?

This is a very bad injury. Chris has a very long road to recovery ahead of him.   

Quote from: Pigskin on September 13, 2024, 07:57:55 PMThis is a very bad injury. Chris has a very long road to recovery ahead of him.   

Agreed. In the NHL it took a long time and many legal battles to finally force that league to deal with the predatory players that were feasting on it's stars. The CFL in concert with the Player's Association need to wake up and act on this now!

Quote from: gobombersgo on September 13, 2024, 07:38:42 PMThis is where I stand as well for the most part.

It looks like Brown's initial point of contact was higher up on the leg but I dont think he needed to hug Strevy's knee however.

Weight transferred directly to the knee.

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One episode of an RFP where you put a QB out of the game can be a one off. Two? Starting to look suspicious, but possibly just a coincidence. Three? In 13 games? That's a pattern. How many times has Jake Thomas put a QB out of the game with a rough hit in 13 seasons? Or even looking a fellow rider DT, how many times has Micah Johnson done it in 11 seasons? And yet we are supposed to believe that its accidental that Brown has done it 3 times in 13 games? Call me skeptical.

There is a spectrum in terms of player intent. On one end, players purposely hold up on contact to minimize the chance of injuring another player. On the other end of the spectrum, the "Marino" end, players intentionally increase the force and nature of the contact to try and intentionally injure. In between there are shades of grey, but I think Brown is getting pretty close to the Marino end with this last hit on Strev's knee. The hit on Strev's left knee is clearly low. At the very least, he was reckless and showed a disregard for whether his hit would inure another player. At the worse, he knew what he was doing and was aiming for causing some damage.

Quote from: Pete on September 13, 2024, 07:27:03 PMDoes it feel like the league is delaying the announcement of fines/suspensions this week in hopes of some of the furor on both sides dying down? No matter what they decide on the Brown situation there will be large criticism.
I know both teams are on byes but surely there was a fine or two in the other games,

Riderfans think fines might be announced Friday now that Thurs games are over.  Maybe the limiting factor on the deadlines is making sure the announcement comes out before the first game of the week?  That would mean we could still hear of the punishments anytime today before 9pm CDT.

You also make a good point about the SSK/WPG byes: maybe the league can wait until just before a SSK or WPG game, which would give them a whole extra week to stew on it.

And your final point is important: why no notice at all?  Every week there is at least 1 fine, almost without exception.  And if there was a 0 fine week, wouldn't they put out a "no fines this week" notice?

Quote from: bunker on September 13, 2024, 08:50:21 PMOne episode of an RFP where you put a QB out of the game can be a one off. Two? Starting to look suspicious, but possibly just a coincidence. Three? In 13 games? That's a pattern. How many times has Jake Thomas put a QB out of the game with a rough hit in 13 seasons? Or even looking a fellow rider DT, how many times has Micah Johnson done it in 11 seasons? And yet we are supposed to believe that its accidental that Brown has done it 3 times in 13 games? Call me skeptical.

Let's take intent out of it.  I'm not even sure the league takes it into account?  Hard to prove intent.  And we don't need it to condemn Brown.  Riderfans especially gets caught up on intent.  So forget intent.

Let's say Brown doesn't intend to injure.  What are we left with?  We're left with a player who is reckless and without control of his body or actions.  Like bunker says, Fatboi and Micah don't maim QBs, despite being in 100+ more games than Brown.  Why?  Because they are smart enough to control their bodies and ease up every time they can.  There is no doubt Brown could have done things to reduce the injury to Strev.  Things that Fatboi & Micah would probably have done if it was them.

And how is Brown going to learn this?  By ever increasing punishment.  I don't think that thick plank will ever get the plot until he is starting to get game suspensions.  We don't have to know or prove he is "dirty", we just need to acknowledge he's reckless and out of control.  And if something isn't done, he's going to take out a 4th QB before the season is done (and Riderfans will be perfectly fine with that too).

For this reason the league needs to keep tacking on additional punishment.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 13, 2024, 09:26:23 PMRiderfans think fines might be announced Friday now that Thurs games are over.  Maybe the limiting factor on the deadlines is making sure the announcement comes out before the first game of the week?  That would mean we could still hear of the punishments anytime today before 9pm CDT.

You also make a good point about the SSK/WPG byes: maybe the league can wait until just before a SSK or WPG game, which would give them a whole extra week to stew on it.

And your final point is important: why no notice at all?  Every week there is at least 1 fine, almost without exception.  And if there was a 0 fine week, wouldn't they put out a "no fines this week" notice?

Appears there was no fines announced this week??? Can't recall that ever happening before, maybe the players are getting the message!  :D

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2024, 05:19:38 PMAppears there was no fines announced this week??? Can't recall that ever happening before, maybe the players are getting the message!  :D

not sure about the players, I think the cfl is staying quiet cause they dont want to draw more attention to themselves in a controversial way

Quote from: Pete on September 14, 2024, 07:12:43 PMnot sure about the players, I think the cfl is staying quiet cause they dont want to draw more attention to themselves in a controversial way

Is the CFL really worried about disgruntled Riderfans?  One read of their forum confirms half are conspiracy nuts thinking the league and the officials are conspiring against them. They should change the name of that site to "Whackos Galore".

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Good to see the league taking this seriously and fined Brown, as it was definitely a fineable offense. He could have let up on the impact to the leg and knee but chose to attack it instead.Good, fine him them. Perfect. It was upsetting to see Brown carry on and argue that there wasn't a foul on the play, what planet is that guy on!?!

Just a fine? No suspension? For tearing up a guy's knee and ending his season? A QB no less. I find this ruling gutless! A fine means nothing. Brown continues to play and Strev's season is over. The Riders are laughing at us right now. They'll take a fine for tearing up our QB's knee every time. In fact, the league has just incentivised them to continue taking out players.

Actually true to form Rider fans are outraged that there is even a fine. Talking about doing a go fund me to pay for it  (rolling my eyes)

Quote from: J5V on September 17, 2024, 12:45:24 AMJust a fine? No suspension? For tearing up a guy's knee and ending his season? A QB no less. I find this ruling gutless! A fine means nothing. Brown continues to play and Strev's season is over. The Riders are laughing at us right now. They'll take a fine for tearing up our QB's knee every time. In fact, the league has just incentivised them to continue taking out players.

Couldn't agree with you more.

I'm a bit influenced by our own players saying it may not have been dirty, and maybe Brown was a "victim" of circumstance that this one wasn't fully intentional.

The one against Collaros was absolutely dirty.  I haven't reviewed the one against Dru Brown, but taking out 3 QB's in a season is not a good look.

My point is - if they deemed the hit on Strev dirty enough to hit him with a maximum fine, then the two previous dirty plays come into play and he should be suspended. 

Getting a fine (which the team will cover, either officially or passing the hat) really does just incentivize players to injure the marquee players.

CFLPA needs to be better.  Player safety sure has to be better.

Quote from: Pete on September 17, 2024, 12:57:55 AMActually true to form Rider fans are outraged that there is even a fine. Talking about doing a go fund me to pay for it  (rolling my eyes)

Okay, is there any bomber fan that will actually cheer for the riders anymore?

To me they are the leafs of the cfl.  Fan base just as entitled and obnoxious, and team just as historically terrible.

The Riders notoriously have 'questionable' talent in their lineup, last year it was Marino, this year its Brown, next year it will be some other bum of the month slug. To start a go fund me for a player who rips up another guys knee is terrible. What a classless organization. I only hope they get what's coming to them, karma is a funny thing ya know....

Quote from: dd on September 17, 2024, 01:20:54 AMThe Riders notoriously have 'questionable' talent in their lineup, last year it was Marino, this year its Brown, next year it will be some other bum of the month slug. To start a go fund me for a player who rips up another guys knee is terrible. What a classless organization. I only hope they get what's coming to them, karma is a funny thing ya know....

Supplemental fines issued this season by team.

9 Saskatchewan
6 Edmonton
5 Ottawa
5 Winnipeg
4 Hamilton
4 Montreal
2 BC
1 Calgary
0 Toronto

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 17, 2024, 01:25:43 AMSupplemental fines issued this season by team.

0 Toronto

Well, if you give the appropriate weight to Kelly's 9-game suspension, that basically makes TOR the top of the list, not the bottom...

P.S. Kudos to Dickenson The Greater for running a tight ship.  He may not be good at much these days, but he keeps their nose clean vis a vis fines.

3down just put Riders as the second worst team in the league...

https://3downnation.com/2024/09/16/3downnation-cfl-power-rankings-what-is-going-on/

Yes, worse than HAM.  I don't put much stock in these rankings, but since SSK delighted in us being at/near the bottom most of the season, turnabout is fair play.

Quote from: dd on September 17, 2024, 01:20:54 AMThe Riders notoriously have 'questionable' talent in their lineup, last year it was Marino, this year its Brown, next year it will be some other bum of the month slug. To start a go fund me for a player who rips up another guys knee is terrible. What a classless organization. I only hope they get what's coming to them, karma is a funny thing ya know....

Brown's not a thug like Marino. He's a good athlete, and I don't think he intentionally wants to injure quarterbacks. But he has to learn to play by the rules of today's pro football. 10 years ago maybe his style would have been acceptable, but it isn't anymore. You can't be diving in low at the quarterback when you're tackling him anymore. You can't drive any part of a quarterback into the ground with you're weight on him anymore. You can't hit him high anymore. You just can't do those things anymore. Sure, it can happen by accident sometimes to any tackler. But with him, it's happened too often to be considered accidental. That fact is there for everyone to see. He needs to be coached up. Mace has to own a some of this too. If Brown can't learn, then, like Marino, they have to release him.   

The attitudes of some of the Riderfans regarding this are disgusting. An embarrassment to the CFL really.   

Quote from: bomb squad on September 17, 2024, 05:18:42 AMThat fact is there for everyone to see. He needs to be coached up. Mace has to own a some of this too. If Brown can't learn, then, like Marino, they have to release him. 

The attitudes of some of the Riderfans regarding this are disgusting. An embarrassment to the CFL really.

I fully agree.  Marino was a thug, like an actual psychopath.  Brown's not that.

Riderfans are getting way too hung up on the "dirty" aspect.  They think that to get a flag or fine you have to be dirty.  But that's completely false.  You can be completely clean with the best intentions, but still be out of control of your body and actions.  You can also not be grasping what the league is looking for in terms of QB safety.

Brown seemed truly puzzled why he was getting a flag.  And I'm sure he's completely baffled why, for a second week in a row, he's working for half pay.

It would be very useful if everyone on both sides dropped the "dirty" accusation, because it adds nothing, is Riderfans' main straw man / deflection, and is frankly not required to win the argument and make the point.  By continuing with "dirty" we make it harder for everyone to see and understand what is really going on.

It's a lot like the new command center guidelines: there are tons of coaches, players and fans who still have no idea what the league expects.  However, there is less of an excuse for this QB injury stuff because the standard hasn't changed much in the past 2.5 seasons (vs review guidelines changing massively in one week 6 weeks ago).

Until SSK coaches, players, fans, and Brown understand exactly why Brown got this latest fine, the problem won't get solved.  If they all just deflect and excuse then dimwitted Brown will just keep doing it.

I would hope the CFL also released a memo explaining exactly what fineable about the hit.  It would help everyone focus on the real issues (the leg wrap-up, squeeze, push, and duration) and put to rest the irrelevant ones (thigh hit, not late).  And also explain how this is a result of being the "3rd strike".

And like I will always say: these memos should be public.  It's the best way to lower the temperature on the Rider forum.

P.S. According to Riderfans, all of the following are in on the big conspiracy to screw the Riders: Zach, MOS, WM, the refs, command, the fine-determiners, and Ambrosie.  Seriously, all of those actors are against the Riders trying to destroy a fully innocent Brown for unknown reasons.  I would counter: it's either that crazy huge conspiracy, or Riderfans have simply failed to properly analyze the hits and the overall situation.  I'm all for tinfoil, but Occam's Razor should apply.

The Memo talks about late hits on the QB, Brown clearly hit Strevy before the ball was released.

The initial contact was above the knees, so it wasn't contact at or below the knees.

Wrapping up is what you want tacklers to do, so that's not a penalty.

It was a penalty and a max fine based on the results & I'm fine with that. 

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 17, 2024, 06:01:27 AMP.S. According to Riderfans, all of the following are in on the big conspiracy to screw the Riders

It's been the same feeble, tired story from those whiners for roughly a decade now.

They went from saying their team was the reason the CFL continued to exist (circa 2007-2013) to now the CFL is out to get them at every turn.

They're insufferable.

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on September 17, 2024, 04:56:46 PMIt's been the same feeble, tired story from those whiners for roughly a decade now.

They went from saying their team was the reason the CFL continued to exist (circa 2007-2013) to now the CFL is out to get them at every turn.

They're insufferable.

Hahahha that is so true! :D

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 17, 2024, 02:08:13 PMWrapping up is what you want tacklers to do, so that's not a penalty.

"Wrapping up" doesn't tear three ligaments in a QB's knee. That takes a deliberate, focused attempt to injure. Defend him all you want. The guy is a dirty scumbag.

Quote from: J5V on September 17, 2024, 07:47:46 PM"Wrapping up" doesn't tear three ligaments in a QB's knee. That takes a deliberate, focused attempt to injure. Defend him all you want. The guy is a dirty scumbag.

It did in this case.

BTW It looks like you agree with me. It was a penalty and a max fine based on the results.

Quote from: TBURGESS on September 17, 2024, 02:08:13 PMWrapping up is what you want tacklers to do, so that's not a penalty.

It was a penalty and a max fine based on the results & I'm fine with that.

But it wasn't, because the flag was thrown before it was clear to anyone Strevie was hurt.  It was a very fast flag, not one of those "I'm thinking about it" flags.  The ref saw something in the act itself he thought was a foul.  (The fine: yes, that factored in the results, and past history.)

To me it boils down to the gist of the UR/RTP rules: could Brown have done something, anything, to avoid crippling Strev?  The answer is certainly yes.  He could have not made the "jump" into him, he could have not made the final body-straightening leg-push, he could have let go of his shin earlier (or not wrapped it at all), he could have tried to wrap both legs together instead of them separately.

If he does any of those things then Strev probably has less injury.  None of those things was "necessary", thus they were "unnecessary".

The message is simple: do whatever it takes to not cripple QBs knees/ankles and not concuss them.

Yes, it's a bit unfair, and yes, it's a big and near impossible ask.  But it is no longer an "ask", it's a demand.  Pass rushers need to find a way.  No one liked seeing Masoli get Marinoed, and no one (except SSK fans) liked seeing Strev get Browned.  The league wants to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 17, 2024, 09:49:01 PMThe message is simple: do whatever it takes to not cripple QBs knees/ankles and not concuss them.

Yes, it's a bit unfair, and yes, it's a big and near impossible ask.  But it is no longer an "ask", it's a demand.  Pass rushers need to find a way.  No one liked seeing Masoli get Marinoed, and no one (except SSK fans) liked seeing Strev get Browned.  The league wants to make sure it doesn't happen again.

I believe the only way is make high and low pocket tackles (with force, not glancing blows) automatic ejections. It would get rare pretty fast.

Quote from: Waffler on September 17, 2024, 09:52:06 PMI believe the only way is make high and low pocket tackles (with force, not glancing blows) automatic ejections. It would get rare pretty fast.

And automatic fines.

However, based on your wording, would the Brown/Zach and Brown/Strev hits qualified?

The problem is guys like Zach can't take even glancing blows to the head.  Any sudden twist or rotation is enough to give him concussion-like effects.  I still swear the league missed that hands-leading one that left him KO'd on the turf a few weeks back.

I would set the standard to any hit that makes the head move quickly (including rotation) is a penalty fine.  I would install G meters in every QB helmet.