So, here we are... 1 point behind Saskatchewan, in second place, with back to back games against, who else, but Saskatchewan. What great time to control our immediate destiny.
The current injury report shows Nick Hallett, Adam Bighill, Stanley Bryant as questionable but likely to play. Good News. The only player definitely out is Gabe Wallace.
Ed Tait's 48-Hour Primer is here. (http://"http://www.bluebombers.com/2024/08/30/the-most-important-thing-for-me-would-be-that-the-players-trust-me/")
...."He's a guy that learns from every rep we take in terms of trying to figure out things. He's just very creative," said veteran linebacker Adam Bighill of Younger in a conversation with bluebombers.com this week. "He has all these visions in his head of how things look and tries to put us in position to see if we see it the same way and if we play it the same way. It's then how we amalgamate that to be most effective.
"He's been a major driver in the last four or five years since he's been here in terms of our creativity in the back end and on defence in how we cover. He's ever growing and he's very dynamic."....
Depth Chart will follow. Again, two huge games ahead of us, but there are lots of reasons to stay positive for wins.
Big games but two wins could solidify our claims on first place in the west!
Not sure that Feltmate is able to play.
@jeffkhamilton
NEWS out of Regina: Bombers will be without OL Stanley Bryant for Sunday's Labour Day Classic against the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Bryant is doing much better but is still not cleared to play after battling an illness/heat that led to him being stretchered off the field last wk.
Quote from: DCM on August 31, 2024, 02:18:18 PM@jeffkhamilton
NEWS out of Regina: Bombers will be without OL Stanley Bryant for Sunday's Labour Day Classic against the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Bryant is doing much better but is still not cleared to play after battling an illness/heat that led to him being stretchered off the field last wk.
Shucks. I do wonder if the big man had/has Covid..we will never know but it can knock you out.
Oh oh. Can we protect Collaros from getting injured now becomes the question of the day. It also means we may need to add another import OL and I have no idea what that will do the ratio.
Will Eli start at RG with Randolph moving out to LT. Thomas as the 6th OL as necessary?
Winning just got more difficult.
Uhoh. That's terrible news for the tomorrow. No great solutions at LT.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 02:40:48 PMOh oh. Can we protect Collaros from getting injured now becomes the question of the day. It also means we may need to add another import OL and I have no idea what that will do the ratio.
Will Eli start at RG with Randolph moving out to LT. Thomas as the 6th OL as necessary?
Winning just got more difficult.
What it will do to the ratio? Nothing. Stanley is an import and besides, we've been starting way over the seven nationals all season.
Agreed though. Winning got more difficult. Not the game you want to come in missing your LT. In fact, probably the worst game of the regular season for that scenario.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 02:40:48 PMOh oh. Can we protect Collaros from getting injured now becomes the question of the day. It also means we may need to add another import OL and I have no idea what that will do the ratio.
Will Eli start at RG with Randolph moving out to LT. Thomas as the 6th OL as necessary?
Winning just got more difficult.
Depth Chart is out.
Vanterpool as the 6th.
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So Bryant, Adams and Feltmate are out. Bighill and Vanderpool( as a back up ) are in. Woli is back.
That offensive line is trouble. Do not like.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2024, 02:42:20 PMWhat it will do to the ratio? Nothing. Stanley is an import and besides, we've been starting way over the seven nationals all season.
Agreed though. Winning got more difficult. Not the game you want to come in missing your LT. In fact, probably the worst game of the regular season for that scenario.
I know he's an import but we've lost Neufeld and Wallace earlier. Now it appears we've added Vanterpool as a back up which is a one for one switch in the ratio.
My earlier question was would Vanterpool start on a 3 import OL. That would in fact modify the ratio. I don't know if that's a good or not that Eli is a better OL than Vanterpool.
Eli is one of the lightest OL we have, next to Lofton who is also not a heavy OL.
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 31, 2024, 06:39:57 AMSo, here we are... 1 point behind Saskatchewan, in second place, with back to back games against, who else, but Saskatchewan. What great time to control our immediate destiny.
The current injury report shows Nick Hallett, Adam Bighill, Stanley Bryant as questionable but likely to play. Good News. The only player definitely out is Gabe Wallace.
Ed Tait's 48-Hour Primer is here. (http://"http://"http://"http://www.bluebombers.com/2024/08/30/the-most-important-thing-for-me-would-be-that-the-players-trust-me/""")
...."He's a guy that learns from every rep we take in terms of trying to figure out things. He's just very creative," said veteran linebacker Adam Bighill of Younger in a conversation with bluebombers.com this week. "He has all these visions in his head of how things look and tries to put us in position to see if we see it the same way and if we play it the same way. It's then how we amalgamate that to be most effective.
"He's been a major driver in the last four or five years since he's been here in terms of our creativity in the back end and on defence in how we cover. He's ever growing and he's very dynamic."....
Depth Chart will follow. Again, two huge games ahead of us, but there are lots of reasons to stay positive for wins.
Big games but two wins could solidify our claims on first place in the west!
LaPo's testament to Jordan Younger, imagine being the QB facing this coverage, not a lot of options available.
Bryant, Wallace and Feltmate all moved to 6 game IR. Obviously we expect Bryant will be back much sooner than 6 games.
Wallace may or may not be done for the season. Feltmate could go either way with an ankle injury.
I understand the use of the 6 game IR instead of the 1 game IR but a little more info would be useful.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 03:36:47 PMBryant, Wallace and Feltmate all moved to 6 game IR. Obviously we expect Bryant will be back much sooner than 6 games.
Wallace may or may not be done for the season. Feltmate could go either way with an ankle injury.
I understand the use of the 6 game IR instead of the 1 game IR but a little more info would be useful.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 03:36:47 PMBryant, Wallace and Feltmate all moved to 6 game IR. Obviously we expect Bryant will be back much sooner than 6 games.
Wallace may or may not be done for the season. Feltmate could go either way with an ankle injury.
I understand the use of the 6 game IR instead of the 1 game IR but a little more info would be useful.
It would also be useful for the Riders next week, too.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2024, 03:52:19 PMIt would also be useful for the Riders next week, too.
Too much is made about giving useful information to our opponents. It's not like everybody didn't know that Bighill and Woli would play this week. Bryant not playing is a bit of a surprise but I don't think it changes the Riders strategy at all.
Knowing that Parker could be available ( as an example ) wouldn't change anything. Our secondary is already # 1 this year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 03:57:39 PMToo much is made about giving useful information to our opponents. It's not like everybody didn't know that Bighill and Woli would play this week. Bryant not playing is a bit of a surprise but I don't think it changes the Riders strategy at all.
Knowing that Parker could be available ( as an example ) wouldn't change anything. Our secondary is already # 1 this year.
Okay. I'm sure O'Shea and the organization are just doing it to be mean to you, then.
With that oline, this game is on Buck to try to protect Collaros. Run game, short passes and the occasional roll out of the pocket with a deep pass to keep the secondary guessing.
Our defense will do their job. It's on Collaros and Buck not to turnover the ball
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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2024, 04:18:56 PMOkay. I'm sure O'Shea and the organization are just doing it to be mean to you, then.
Well if you think that the opponents don't know that most of those players have been on the 6 game IR and haven't practised is important information, I don't know what to say.
For other players recently going to 6 game IR and not practising is only important in the future but certainly not for this week.
Every team can assess injured players on the IR as to whether they are practising and potentially available.
The only question is whether they might be available in many more weeks. At that point they can see whether they might dress for a given game.
Does an opponent knowing that Neufeld, Wallace and Parker won't play this season ( if that's the case ) change anything?
Nope.
Vanterpool for Wallace necessitates Schmekel for Adams I guess.
Don't like 6 Oline and no FB. Do any of the LB's have FB experience? Or do we start usinging Clercius/Woli/Demski more in the backfield on max protect?
The D keeping their O off the field means our O will be on the field. We have to take advantage of that. Guessing Oliviera gets 20+ touches, and there will be fly sweeps with Lucky and motion up the gut with Demski as well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 04:58:28 PMWell if you think that the opponents don't know that most of those players have been on the 6 game IR and haven't practised is important information, I don't know what to say.
For other players recently going to 6 game IR and not practising is only important in the future but certainly not for this week.
Every team can assess injured players on the IR as to whether they are practising and potentially available.
The only question is whether they might be available in many more weeks. At that point they can see whether they might dress for a given game.
Does an opponent knowing that Neufeld, Wallace and Parker won't play this season ( if that's the case ) change anything?
Nope.
...then why are they doing it if not to gain a (however slight) advantage?
What possibly could their motivation be besides winning football games?
Stan out will hurt, but our OL has had 3 full practices with the group they will have on the field on Sunday. Buck has also had a week to prepare. I hope the Bombers are looking at an OL for PR as we currently have none.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2024, 05:59:54 PM...then why are they doing it if not to gain a (however slight) advantage?
What possibly could their motivation be besides winning football games?
O'Shea is old school. With larger rosters and fluidity of roster movement there is no need for that much secrecy.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 31, 2024, 06:09:33 PMStan out will hurt, but our OL has had 3 full practices with the group they will have on the field on Sunday. Buck has also had a week to prepare. I hope the Bombers are looking at an OL for PR as we currently have none.
Yeah we're pretty thin now but I don't imagine they can keep Bryant out for more than this week. He'd go nuts not playing.
Regardless, they should keep their eyes open for a neg list player / cuts by the NFL this week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 06:09:41 PMO'Shea is old school. With larger rosters and fluidity of roster movement there is no need for that much secrecy.
Well I can only surmise he disagrees with your assessment? Given his accomplishments I'll throw in with his take on the issue.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 31, 2024, 06:17:56 PMWell I can only surmise he disagrees with your assessment? Given his accomplishments I'll throw in with his take on the issue.
Pretty easy and lazy to just accept everything any coach does as perfect / right. Roster management, over loyalty to some players ( import FB in 2023 ) came under much scrutiny for example.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 06:29:22 PMPretty easy and lazy to just accept everything any coach does as perfect / right. Roster management, over loyalty to some players ( import FB in 2023 ) came under much scrutiny for example.
He won't discuss injuries/personal business.
You can agree of disagree with why he doesn't. I don't think it's an unreasonably stance for a boss/leader to not not about their staff's medical or private life.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2024, 03:30:20 PMLaPo's testament to Jordan Younger, imagine being the QB facing this coverage, not a lot of options available.
I thought that this was one of Lapo's better videos. He is becoming steadily less amateurish as a YouTube football analyst. If he can continue to improve, he is going to be a must-watch YouTuber for CFL fans.
I think that he needs to: (1) script out his videos better, (2) get feedback from viewers to understand the right level of explanation required, and (3) improve his technical setup a bit. Honestly, I think he should watch about 24 hours straight of JT O'Sullivan (QB School) and try to copy his approach.
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 31, 2024, 07:04:17 PMI thought that this was one of Lapo's better videos. He is becoming steadily less amateurish as a YouTube football analyst. If he can continue to improve, he is going to be a must-watch YouTuber for CFL fans.
I think that he needs to: (1) script out his videos better, (2) get feedback from viewers to understand the right level of explanation required, and (3) improve his technical setup a bit. Honestly, I think he should watch about 24 hours straight of JT O'Sullivan (QB School) and try to copy his approach.
LaPo's videos are very good, I hope he generates enough viewers to make it worth his while.
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 31, 2024, 07:04:17 PMI thought that this was one of Lapo's better videos. He is becoming steadily less amateurish as a YouTube football analyst. If he can continue to improve, he is going to be a must-watch YouTuber for CFL fans.
I think that he needs to: (1) script out his videos better, (2) get feedback from viewers to understand the right level of explanation required, and (3) improve his technical setup a bit. Honestly, I think he should watch about 24 hours straight of JT O'Sullivan (QB School) and try to copy his approach.
His vids are phenomenal.
I obviously don't like being without Bryant. But looking at the silver lining, he should be fresher for the home stretch. And we can start to figure out if our long term replacement is already in-house. And I guess we are also figuring out if we have Neufeld's replacement in-house.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2024, 07:06:52 PMLaPo's videos are very good, I hope he generates enough viewers to make it worth his while.
The better NFL guys have followers in the hundreds of thousands. If he can tap into the CFL market in Canada and continue to increase his views and subscribers, it probably translates to thousands. And if he can start (1) attracting advertisers, and (2) converting a small proportion of those to paid supporters on Patreon, or whatever, you'd think it would be worthwhile. It's a long term game, I think. But right now, he sure seems to have the market completely to himself.
Bombers' OL Stanley Bryant out for Labour Day Classic vs. Riders
By 3Down Staff -August 31, 2024
Winnipeg Blue Bombers' left tackle Stanley Bryant will miss his first game due to injury or illness when his team visits the Saskatchewan Roughriders for the Labour Day Classic.
Bryant had to be stretchered off the field early in last week's win over the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and was taken to hospital in apparent medical distress from a combination of heat and illness. He was discharged the following day but has been unable to practice this week, earning a spot on the six-game injured list.
The 38-year-old is arguably the greatest offensive lineman in CFL history, having won a record four Most Outstanding Offensive Linemen awards. He's also ultra-durable, starting 148 of a possible 151 career games since joining the Blue Bombers as a free agent in 2015. He was a healthy scratch for the three games he missed, all of which came late in the season after Winnipeg had clinched first place in the West Division.
American Kendall Randolph, who started last week at right guard, will move over to left tackle for this game, while Tui Eli slots into the interior. With rookie backup Gabe Wallace (knee) expected to be out long-term on the six-game injured list, American Micah Vanterpool will dress as the sixth man.
It isn't all bad news for Winnipeg, however, as all-star linebacker Adam Bighill will make an early return to the starting lineup after spending just one week on the six-game. In nine games this year, the 35-year-old has recorded 46 tackles and a sack — bringing his career total to 937 defensive tackles.
Also returning is veteran Canadian receiver Drew Wolitarsky, who knocks rookie Kevens Clercius out of the starting lineup. In eight games this year, he has snagged 26 passes for 326 yards and a touchdown.
In other roster moves, rookie American defensive tackle Devin Adams, who has four sacks this year, has been demoted to the practice roster in favour of Canadian Tanner Schmekel. Fullback Bailey Feltmate (ankle) has also been placed on the six-game injured list.
The Winnipeg Blue Bombers (5-6) will visit the Saskatchewan Roughriders (5-5-1) for the Labour Day Classic on Sunday, September 1 at 7:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/08/31/bombers-ol-stanley-bryant-out-for-labour-day-classic-vs-riders/
Riders tweak Labour Day Classic roster with addition of FB Clint Ratkovich
By 3Down Staff -August 31, 2024
The Saskatchewan Roughriders are winless in their last five games but have only tweaked their roster slightly for the Labour Day Classic clash with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
The biggest change will see American fullback Clint Ratkovich draw back into the lineup in an effort to open up something for Frankie Hickson in the running game. The 26-year-old, who was dubbed "Super-Back" in college, has recorded five carries for eight yards and caught six passes for 68 yards and a touchdown in 10 games this year.
On defence, Saskatchewan will swap out depth Canadian defensive backs. Jayden Dalke, who has three defensive tackles, four special teams tackles, and a forced fumble this year, will be a healthy scratch. Kosi Onyeka, who has one special teams tackle and a forced fumble in four games, draws in to the lineup.
American linebacker Aubrey Miller Jr. has been demoted to the practice roster in a corresponding move.
The Saskatchewan Roughriders (5-5-1) will host the Winnipeg Blue Bombers (5-6) for the Labour Day Classic on Sunday, September 1 at 7:00 p.m. EDT.
https://3downnation.com/2024/08/31/riders-tweak-labour-day-classic-roster-with-addition-of-fb-clint-ratkovich/
Did Vlahogiannis, go back to McGill or was he cut.
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 31, 2024, 07:18:12 PMThe better NFL guys have followers in the hundreds of thousands. If he can tap into the CFL market in Canada and continue to increase his views and subscribers, it probably translates to thousands. And if he can start (1) attracting advertisers, and (2) converting a small proportion of those to paid supporters on Patreon, or whatever, you'd think it would be worthwhile. It's a long term game, I think. But right now, he sure seems to have the market completely to himself.
Unfortunately most of his videos have under 200 views, not sure there is serious enough CFL interest to grow it to even 1,000 views. His best hope is to eventually get back into coaching and find contentment as an OC if he's not fulfilled with his TSN gig.
Quote from: DCM on August 31, 2024, 02:18:18 PM@jeffkhamilton
NEWS out of Regina: Bombers will be without OL Stanley Bryant for Sunday's Labour Day Classic against the Saskatchewan Roughriders.
This is a disaster. We would barely be able to win in SSK with Big Stan...
Eli is just too small and I'm now 100% convinced is only useful as backup C and jumbo 6th/7th. He is superb at jumbo, and everyone needs a backup C. Thus he has strong value to always dress. But he should never be starting at OG. This will be a disaster for us.
Randolph was amazing at RG, and made Neufeld the weeks before look silly. But Randolph is not a LT. He was completely hopeless in Stan's spot last week. This will be a complete disaster in LDC.
SSK will kill us rushing 3, 4 or whatever blitz they choose. Blanket coverage and no time will mean we have no mid/deep game, and Zach will likely throw picks into triple coverage.
Brady won't save us because SSK is stout against power backs and in any event they will focus on run stop because our passing game will be useless.
Yes, our only hope is to stick to 5 yard outs, slants, and curls all night. Brady might be able to eke out 2-4Y on 2nd down if we need. The funny thing is the dink & dunk is the T.Harris gameplan! Well, we need to steal it for us.
I see no scenario where we get anywhere close to winning, unless the D is lights out (possible) and they score 2-3 times (not possible). My main hope is we keep Zach from getting hurt by getting the ball out instantly every snap.
Sorry for being a bummer, but this is the worst possible news, and completely unexpected based on everything we were told to date.
Update: I see one way to win... Strev plays QB the whole game, and does his thing with Brady. Then the weak OL pass pro doesn't matter. SSK would have no idea what to do as they planned for a normal Zach game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 03:57:39 PMBryant not playing is a bit of a surprise but I don't think it changes the Riders strategy at all.
You better believe Stan being out changes SSK strategy. They can now plan around getting to the QB on every snap. They can plan on OL busts where guys get through untouched in under 1.5s. They can plan on putting Zach in a world of hurt. They can plan on rushing 3 half the game and still getting to Zach. They can take all of the effort they'd put into pass-rush and put it into Brady run stop and blanket coverage instead.
D expert Mace is licking his chops and already partying that he gets to bring Regina a home LDC win. And that's basically all that a SSK HC is measured by.
I'm worried Stan has something worse and they just aren't saying. No, I don't mean just possible covid. I mean heart/circulatory issues that can cause the big scare we saw last week.
I can't see any reason to basically forfeit the LDC with a really really bad OL set just for "precautions". If he had the flu, he should have been in bed every single day this week resting. Since they said he had had it a week already, that would be 2 weeks total and it would be over.
Are we without Stan the rest of the season? We need to hit up couches and trades and scouts and NFL rejects and everything. Because Randolph-LT Eli-RG are not going to do anything but lose 100% of the time.
Just when it seemed we were getting healthy...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2024, 10:37:50 PMI'm worried Stan has something worse and they just aren't saying. No, I don't mean just possible covid. I mean heart/circulatory issues that can cause the big scare we saw last week.
I can't see any reason to basically forfeit the LDC with a really really bad OL set just for "precautions". If he had the flu, he should have been in bed every single day this week resting. Since they said he had had it a week already, that would be 2 weeks total and it would be over.
Are we without Stan the rest of the season? We need to hit up couches and trades and scouts and NFL rejects and everything. Because Randolph-LT Eli-RG are not going to do anything but lose 100% of the time.
Just when it seemed we were getting healthy...
Offense struggled last week without him will continue again, I just hope we don't lose collaros in the process
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2024, 10:37:50 PMI'm worried Stan has something worse and they just aren't saying. No, I don't mean just possible covid. I mean heart/circulatory issues that can cause the big scare we saw last week.
I can't see any reason to basically forfeit the LDC with a really really bad OL set just for "precautions". If he had the flu, he should have been in bed every single day this week resting. Since they said he had had it a week already, that would be 2 weeks total and it would be over.
Are we without Stan the rest of the season? We need to hit up couches and trades and scouts and NFL rejects and everything. Because Randolph-LT Eli-RG are not going to do anything but lose 100% of the time.
Just when it seemed we were getting healthy...
He is on the 6 game - but could come off sooner. Missing him for any length is gonna be really tough for the team.
Playing o line effectively needs incredible amounts of strength and stamina - the big man just is too wore out...
Quote from: The Zipp on August 31, 2024, 10:59:43 PMHe is on the 6 game - but could come off sooner. Missing him for any length is gonna be really tough for the team.
That's the other tell. I've never once heard of a player with flu/vid/cold or heat stroke going on the 6GIR. It's simply not a thing. Even with the Mafia "put everyone on the 6G mantra", it's still not a thing.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2024, 11:08:12 PMThat's the other tell. I've never once heard of a player with flu/vid/cold or heat stroke going on the 6GIR. It's simply not a thing. Even with the Mafia "put everyone on the 6G mantra", it's still not a thing.
I truly believe you're tin foil hating this one. I think he'll be good to go next week.
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2024, 12:33:49 AMI truly believe you're tin foil hating this one. I think he'll be good to go next week.
Could be! Hope you're right! But answer the question... when in 10 years have you see a flu get 6G'd. And when do you put this sad OL line-up in for a critical divisional game for the coveted #1 in the W? The OL on the chart is a guaranteed-lose OL against a stout SSK D in front of rabid green fans on LD.
Literally the only thing left given all the above is the tinfoil.
I think WFC is trying to break it to us reeeeeaaaal slowly that Big Stan is gone for 6+ weeks (or forever). Maybe after they sign a solution at LT. KW phone goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr(ing).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 12:41:33 AMCould be! Hope you're right! But answer the question... when in 10 years have you see a flu get 6G'd. And when do you put this sad OL line-up in for a critical divisional game for the coveted #1 in the W? The OL on the chart is a guaranteed-lose OL against a stout SSK D in front of rabid green fans on LD.
Literally the only thing left given all the above is the tinfoil.
I think WFC is trying to break it to us reeeeeaaaal slowly that Big Stan is gone for 6+ weeks (or forever). Maybe after they sign a solution at LT. KW phone goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr(ing).
And I really hope you're wrong. But MOS never tells us anything and was actually pretty open about Stan being sick and having heat exhaustion for the sole reason that he knew people were scared.
He puked on the field in the heat after being sick all weak. He's a big guy and they certainly don't want a repeat so are proceeding with caution. And everyone is being putting on the 6 game. Bighill just spent one game there, why would it be any different for Stan?
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2024, 12:33:49 AMI truly believe you're tin foil hating this one. I think he'll be good to go next week.
Was there not an article out this past week that the BOMBERS Will put almost anyone on the 6 game IR automatically even if they don't sit out the full 6 games? It means zip in the end as you can pull as many players off the 6 game IR as you want. They had a limit some years ago of how many players you could pull off the 6 game IR per half season, but that went out the window a few years ago.
If somehow the injury nags on, you have them already on the 6 game as short as possible then and get cap room if they stay out the full 6 games.
If Stanley isn't back next week then the panic can get legitimate.
Quote from: Jesse on September 01, 2024, 01:17:07 AMHe puked on the field in the heat after being sick all weak. He's a big guy and they certainly don't want a repeat so are proceeding with caution. And everyone is being putting on the 6 game. Bighill just spent one game there, why would it be any different for Stan?
Everything you say is true. But I
counter with: how many of the "everyone" we've placed on the 6G this season was due to "illness". None. They all had "physical" injuries.
In fact, I'm not sure
any team has ever placed any player on the 6G marked as "illness".
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 02:08:07 AMEverything you say is true. But I counter with: how many of the "everyone" we've placed on the 6G this season was due to "illness". None. They all had "physical" injuries.
In fact, I'm not sure any team has ever placed any player on the 6G marked as "illness".
If we had another illness force a starter to miss a game, we probably would have.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 01, 2024, 01:51:42 AMWas there not an article out this past week that the BOMBERS Will put almost anyone on the 6 game IR automatically even if they don't sit out the full 6 games? It means zip in the end as you can pull as many players off the 6 game IR as you want. They had a limit some years ago of how many players you could pull off the 6 game IR per half season, but that went out the window a few years ago.
If somehow the injury nags on, you have them already on the 6 game as short as possible then and get cap room if they stay out the full 6 games.
Yes there seems to be a new rule about using the 6-game IR as one-size-fits-all....or they're just using it a different way, no idea.
Game Preview | Labour Day Classic - Ed Tait
Game #12: Blue Bombers (5-6) at Roughriders (5-5-1)
Kickoff: Sunday, September 1st, 6 p.m. CDT; Mosaic Stadium, Regina, Sk.
TV/Streaming: TSN, CBS Sports Network, CFL+
Radio: 680 CJOB
Streaks: Wpg: 3W; Sask: 2L
Road/Home: The Blue Bombers are 1-4 on the road, their last game away from home a 20-11 victory over B.C. in Vancouver; the Roughriders are 3-2 at home, dropping their last two at Mosaic.
Scene Setter
They are three words that mean everything to football fans in these parts, words that represent the passion of two rabid fan bases and the annually the absolute best of the Canadian Football League:
Labour. Day. Classic.
Now, couple that with this being a Week 13 battle for first place in the West Division and, well, it's little wonder this one and the sequel next week in Winnipeg in the Banjo Bowl will be played before sold-out audiences.
"A game like this, it already is a big game every single year," running back Brady Oliveira told bluebombers.com this week. "Everyone always has this one circled on their calendar. It's always back-to-back big games, no matter what the standings look like. We go there for the Labour Day Classic and then we're all on a short week when they come here for the Banjo Bowl next Saturday.
"Two massive games that everyone looks forward to. It's a great Prairie battle, a great Prairie rivalry. Two great fan bases going at it. There's a magnitude to it even if the standings don't matter. So to have it for first makes it that much bigger."
The Blue Bombers, 5-6, are on a mini-heater, having won three straight and going 5-2 after a horrific 0-4 start. The Roughriders, meanwhile, are 5-5-1 and winless in their last five at 0-4-1 — their last victory a 19-9 decision over Winnipeg in Regina on July 19th.
Winnipeg simply made too many mistakes in that meeting, including a Zach Collaros interception inside the Rider 25-yard line, a Nic Demski fumble after a 50-yard reception to Saskatchewan's 15-yard line inside the final three minutes with the Blue Bombers trailing by a TD and then a turnover on downs on the last possession.
"You look back at that last game... We were so close," said Oliveira. "There were so many mistakes that we made, so many self-inflicted mistakes and if a couple plays go differently we win that ball game. We lost that game.
"Since then we're on a trajectory we want to go in with winning these games and putting a streak together. This is our team now. We're a younger team that needed to mature and every single week we've been maturing and we're in a good spot right now.
"We've still got a lot of work to do, but I like where we're at...."
More on the Game Day Preview here. (https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/08/31/game-preview-labour-day-classic-3/)
Anyone know who is calling the game?
Hoping Suitor is still in Victoria...
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2024, 03:43:08 PMAnyone know who is calling the game?
Hoping Suitor is still in Victoria...
Don't wish that on Victoria - I travel there monthly on business and I would not wish that on such a great city to visit! ;D
Don't have a good feeling about this one. I don't bet but if I did I'd be taking whatever spread they are giving the Riders.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 01, 2024, 04:14:15 PMDon't have a good feeling about this one. I don't bet but if I did I'd be taking whatever spread they are giving the Riders.
Yah. I would say all the evidence points to a rider win..missing Bryant is a huge factor and the Bomber offence has largely been inconsistent.
Even if the Bombers lose, and lose big it doesn't mean the season is over and coaches need to be fired and start rebuilding, it's a strange game this LDC. Honestly I just don't want more injuries - especially to a guy like Zach or BO
We can very definitely win this game if we don't get screwed out of it by the officials, limit mistakes, win the turnover battle, and have good production on offense. If we continue to struggle on offense it's going to make for a bad day.
Win and we're in 1st place. Lose and we're in 3rd place.
The entire season can be turned around today.
Just win. Do it in a big way.
I felt much more confident before Stan was ruled out. Not sure how are offence can score at this point. But always thought it would be a low scoring one.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2024, 04:31:08 PMYah. I would say all the evidence points to a rider win..missing Bryant is a huge factor and the Bomber offence has largely been inconsistent.
Even if the Bombers lose, and lose big it doesn't mean the season is over and coaches need to be fired and start rebuilding, it's a strange game this LDC. Honestly I just don't want more injuries - especially to a guy like Zach or BO
Yep, the Bombers may win but not sure how they're going to do it, unless Sask. falters and Harris flops. Worried about the O-line playing against a wiley old dude like Micah Johnson, he's likely to eat Randolph's lunch, as well as breakfast and supper.
Yes it is going to be a tough one today. Still hoping though. Can't get way behind early.
Quote from: 55StickCar on September 01, 2024, 05:54:22 PMYes it is going to be a tough one today. Still hoping though. Can't get way behind early.
Good point. Riders always come out flying and try to overwhelm their opponents early feeding off the crowd at home. We need to match their intensity early, weather the storm, and take the crowd out of it. If we can do that they'll fade and that is how I see this one going if the Bombers are to win. I believe we have just the right blend of youthful endurance and exuberance and wily veteran smarts and know how.
Need to pressure Harris, and not turnover the ball. Zach can not throw any Ints. Get the running game going early.
"The LaPo's testament to Jordan Younger, imagine being the QB facing this coverage, not a lot of options available."
Really well done by Lapo.
the Bomber secondary is a wonder.
Not sure why Bombers are underdogs by bookies,I have Bombers winning. Mostly home field advantage I guess,Bombers favored next week by same.I think Zach looks like Zach of old,healthy receivers but for Shoen pretty much,Bomber D great in last game.
Riders have 1 of the best receivers in Shaker Baker,And Lenius(sp) no slouch,their D is very good also,so 2 good teams but going with Bombers
My theory on Bombers rough start was they seemed to think resting starters or many starters in pre season would be good idea?? Yes injuries but so did other teams, maybe it was HC being more concerned about Shawn Lemon playing,rather than looking after his own?
I thought/think 2 QBs on field at same time was embarrassing,circus to me. I was embarrassed for Pierce,was he going to have Zach go down field as a WR?
Be better to try Al's short kick trick,which btw not sure why nobody else has done that. Go Bombers
On This Day in Blue Bomber History (https://twitter.com/i/status/1830275005432914174)
By the way, that was Glen Suitor's jock strap laying on the field. lol!
Well, the Bison beat the Huskies yesterday, hoping the Bombers can keep this winning weekend going.
Looks like it's 28 right now in Regina and 22KM windy.
3 Keys to the Game (https://twitter.com/i/status/1830289750374117382)
Quote from: J5V on September 01, 2024, 09:08:27 PMOn This Day in Blue Bomber History (https://twitter.com/i/status/1830275005432914174)
By the way, that was Glen Suitor's jock strap laying on the field. lol!
Couldn't catch J Boyd!! Hahahaha. Thanks for pointing that out.
Turns out I couldn't make the game. Half the family has a cold and the resale ticket market on this game was awful. It'll truly be a sold out game and you can tell the Green fans are stoked this time around because they are leading the W for the first time in forever.
It'll be fun on the GDT with y'all today instead.
As for the ones that went, let's all hope for a miracle! If we pull off a W with no OL, SSKfans will be blowing up with despondency. It will take a supreme D and ST effort to overcome the turnstile-fest we're about to witness.
If we're down by 35 at halftime I'd put our #3 QB and JA27 in the rest of the game.
GO BLUE!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 10:04:23 PMAs for the ones that went, let's all hope for a miracle! If we pull off a W with no OL, SSKfans will be blowing up with despondency. It will take a supreme D and ST effort to overcome the turnstile-fest we're about to witness.
That's a little harsh. Here's to hoping the Oline has a good game.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on September 01, 2024, 01:51:42 AMWas there not an article out this past week that the BOMBERS Will put almost anyone on the 6 game IR automatically even if they don't sit out the full 6 games? It means zip in the end as you can pull as many players off the 6 game IR as you want. They had a limit some years ago of how many players you could pull off the 6 game IR per half season, but that went out the window a few years ago.
If somehow the injury nags on, you have them already on the 6 game as short as possible then and get cap room if they stay out the full 6 games.
I can't remember where I heard it - maybe read it somewhere here, or heard Osh say it on the radio. Isn't the newer rule that you can pull someone off the 6 game without penalty, but only once for that specific player?
If that's the case, it just makes sense to put anyone on the 6 game, especially if you are going into the final third of the season and at much less risk of getting burned by that rule. Especially players that are earning more than minimum.
Willy! (https://twitter.com/i/status/1830371461414240539)
True North was the loudest fans in the stands
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2024, 11:05:24 PMTrue North was the loudest fans in the stands
BLUE!!! Was pretty epic as well!
There must have been some blue fans seeking out the mics - that was amazing
Well, that's pretty much as expected
We start with the ball, move backwards, and leave SSK to start at our 52. Winning!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 11:14:20 PMWell, that's pretty much as expected
What was - the "true north" and "blue"? I didn't expect that in Mosaic to be honest.
Smart move going with the short game. Anything else will be a sack.
Clearly they are shutting down the 1st down run. Give Brady some 2nd down draws.
Screw you Darian Durant!
Oh sorry, can I still hold that grudge, or will that offend someone's sensibilities?
Did the OL actually hold back a blitz for a deep pass? Maybe there is hope?
If our no-OL can score on SSK they may get demoralized super fast! Everyone knows we're wounded.
Luv that call for Strevy to get the TD
Fantastic drive !!
O line did their job
I like the under the radar play to Pokey to setup the Strev TD. No one was expecting that call. Almost got a TD out of it too!
So far much better than expected! Go blue!
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 01, 2024, 11:22:56 PMScrew you Darian Durant!
Oh sorry, can I still hold that grudge, or will that offend someone's sensibilities?
Not me... give back the money you stole from the Bombers in that contract
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 11:23:29 PMDid the OL actually hold back a blitz for a deep pass? Maybe there is hope?
If our no-OL can score on SSK they may get demoralized super fast! Everyone knows we're wounded.
Sure looked like it. Better than the early sack. Maybe there is hope!
Quote from: barbk on September 01, 2024, 11:26:28 PMNot me... give back the money you stole from the Bombers in that contract
Exactly - I may be accused of being an angry bitter person, and with the bombers that's fair.
I hope we never allow him to retire as a rider.
Trevor doing Trevor things. If you give him the free 10Y out and zone read, he'll take it all the way into the EZ. You can't just "bend don't break" with him.
We need to sack and rattle him... just once. We need a few heat calls. I don't care if we get burned, we have to take the chance to make Bad Trevor show up.
Our O will not keep up in a barnstormer.
To beat Harris you gotta get heat and hit him a couple of times
Rushing 3 and playing soft zone isn't going to do it
That was a great offensive play by sask
Since when do we rush 3 so often? That's not us.
The shovel to Emilus was a brilliant call. We can't be out-brained by their oft-hated OC Mueller!
Why is Hallet on the field ?
Someone hurt ?
SSK often likes to throw the same play twice. Be on the lookout for that.
Hallett 21 got fooled... should have used his speed to catch up.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2024, 11:37:08 PMWhy is Hallet on the field ?
Passing down special set. We do it often.
So far zero pressure. Have to change that or no way we keep up with the dink & dunk.
Terrible drive for our defense
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 11:37:29 PMSSK often likes to throw the same play twice. Be on the lookout for that.
Hallett 21 got fooled... should have used his speed to catch up.
You serious Clark? Sorry for the pop culture reference, but seriously - they do that?
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 01, 2024, 11:39:15 PMYou serious Clark? Sorry for the pop culture reference, but seriously - they do that?
Yup, if the other O isn't in tempo then we often bring in special passing down D sets where we often swap out many players, like LBers, DBs, FS.
Keeps the D fresh after suffering through a big drive.
So far this is backwards. Our D should be our strong point. It's the O that has all the injuries.
D will need to be better next series.
Oh ****.
There it is...terrible throw
Pokey got bit on that in another game. Rookie needs to learn how to come back to the ball!! He remembered last game, but screws up this time.
Finally we bring some heat.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 11:44:53 PMPokey got bit on that in another game. Rookie needs to learn how to come back to the ball!! He remembered last game, but screws up this time.
Finally we bring some heat.
That's exactly what I was wondering - why didn't he come back and be the one in position
New centre. Bring the heat
There is bad Zac throwing bad INT .... forcing the ball.... hopefully our D can hold them to a FG only with an injured O line
SSK adjusting after seeing we only have the short pass tonight. Those DBs will jump the short routes and ignore the deep.
3 man rush is not effective - come on Younger
wow thats 2 on hallett!
They burned Hallett twice. They are clearly just going to pick on him. And I thought he was getting ready to be a starting FS.
Why is Hallett in again? Man he was bad in those 2 TD
Hallet burnt again
Get him off the field - he is a special teamer
Biggie looked frozen in time on that play too
Mueller / Trevor clearly like those center passes. So let's put some more protection in the center.
Trevor still relying on the dink & dunk. It'll be that all night.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 11:49:10 PMThey burned Hallett twice. They are clearly just going to pick on him. And I thought he was getting ready to be a starting FS.
Special teamer
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2024, 11:50:21 PMBiggie looked frozen in time on that play too
They were all discombobulated. No one was in place on that zone coverage. Wide open center flat. It was a poop show.
I would like to point out. Our best player - BO has one touch in over a quarter
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2024, 11:51:40 PMI would like to point out. Our best player - BO has one touch in over a quarter
Ya, for 1-2 yards.
And one more Brady run for 1-2 yards.
SSK will shut down any 1st down run. The time to run is when they don't expect it.
Pokey, watch how Kenny came back for that to preclude an INT
That Zach to Demski over-the-head may be the worst throw I've ever seen him do.
That was an easy 10Y
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 11:53:02 PMYa, for 1-2 yards.
And one more Brady run for 1-2 yards.
SSK will shut down any 1st down run. The time to run is when they don't expect it.
He got 4 , which isn't great but still makes them respect the run
Brutal throw - had demski
Have the Bombers ever done a trick play this year?
Quote from: The Zipp on September 01, 2024, 11:55:24 PMHe got 4 , which isn't great but still makes them respect the run
No, he is 2 runs for 5 yards as of now. That's not worth wasting first down on. Remember, we have no OL
Demski!!!
Oh yeah!!!
ZC made up for that bad throw to Demski now lets get BRADY involved
Demski burns SSK in a LDC once again. Greenie nightmares are returning right about now.
Somehow the OL is holding even with pressure coming.
So we have our barnstormer!
Glad I didn't take the 1st half under I was considering...
Defence hopefully had a chance to get their heads straight and younger fix the schemes.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 11:56:45 PMNo, he is 2 runs for 5 yards as of now. That's not worth wasting first down on. Remember, we have no OL
Are you going to be like this the whole game? Geezus man! Take a pill.
BTW, good job Buck. Has his thinking (and noticing) cap on today.
Uh, when have we ever KO's for a single? There a wind there?
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 12:00:15 AMAre you going to be like this the whole game? Geezus man! Take a pill.
Probably? All out of pills, so ya.
We really do have no OL and it's a bloody miracle we've gotten off these mid passes even under blitz. Buck is clearly doing his job.
Remember, we didn't just lose Bryant, we lost Bryant and our very good (for 3 games now) RG... because of the shuffle. It would be one thing if Randolph was still at RG and we had someone else who could do LT, but we had to shuffle 2 positions, not 1.
This after we started the year with a much weakened OL, PLUS add in the loss of Neufeld. Ya, I'll be thinking the worst about our OL all night. Maybe if we're up by 14 in the 4th I'll take a chill pill? Hey could happen! But it'll be a miracle.
We do a ST holding on a 5Y punt return? Not smart.
Strange, but this game isn't very physical yet. I don't see much pad popping yet. Everything seems subdued. Only on ST is anyone hitting hard. What gives?
Keep running BO - you have to. 5 yards works.
Looks like we're doing well when SSK is in zone. I would expect SSK to lure us in and change it up.
I like Zach "Matt Nicholsing" it and throwing it away instead of taking hits.
Hahaha, Hallett redemption.
Special teamer!!!!!
Hallett made up for his poor D play.... phew....
TD Jamieson Sheahan!
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 12:06:35 AMKeep running BO - you have to. 5 yards works.
The 5Y was good.
You have a point, we have to waste a 1st down every 1-2 series to keep them honest. However, even if we didn't run for the whole first half they'd still honor the run. They wouldn't adjust until seeing us abandon it for a half.
Massive mistake by Alford
Quote from: barbk on September 02, 2024, 12:08:58 AMHallett made up for his poor D play.... phew....
Well, technically he got us back only 6 of the 12 he cost us... so I want to see Hallett get another 6 somehow!
So far this game is going waaaaaaaaay better than expected. Good thing I didn't bet against us!
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 12:10:08 AMMassive mistake by Alford
Why was he jogging around instead of rushing to get that ball back? Surely he felt it touch his fingers?? Weird.
I could watch tony jones make tackles all day
Lucky hurt?
I saw him holding his thigh on a previous play.
How come the TSN panel isn't excited when the Bombers score like when the Riders score? Even Rod Smith seems subdued now that we're in front.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 12:16:17 AMHow come the TSN panel isn't excited when the Bombers score like when the Riders score? Even Rod Smith seems subdued now that we're in front.
Don't want to upset the 34k fans there and the other 400k greenies watching at home?
Remmeber, this is their GC. Nothing is more important than winning this game.
Mace already under heaps of pressure with this mid-season slump and shades of Dickenson The Lesser.
I knew he'd go back to Woli there. Awesome.
wilson is turning out to be quite the "catch"
Wilson having a big day, maybe his best, as a Bomber.
Not sure if reported yet: Godber reported going to the locker room.
It didn't look that bad, but I guess it was. SSK OL nearly as decimated as ours. They had to shuffle 2 to make it work now.
Oooooh, SSK gonna hate that DPI
Ooops, Zach hurt? ... on a cheap shot by cheatin' ssk
Oh no what a dirty play to shot to the head... kick that F*** out
Concussion - ****
What a dirty hit on Zach. That should be an ejection.
That definitely was RTP. Another Zach seeing birds hit. At least they called it this time.
That was only DPI by the DB holding the arm down. Good spot by the ref.
Does the RTP get taken "for free" because they would already be at the 1? League needs to find a way to make those 15 yarders actually punish someone.
Pretty sure zach said "I am ok"
The 15 RTP should have been applied on the KO. It's unfair there's no consequences that may have knocked Zach out for good.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 12:23:48 AMPretty sure zach said "I am ok"
It's not what Zach thinks... it's what the EITS spotters think...
That was a deliberate hit to the head on Zach. Should have been an ejection.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 12:24:22 AMThe 15 RTP should have been applied on the KO. It's unfair there's no consequences that may have knocked Zach out for good.
Yeah it really should have. Makes it clear you can do as many dirty plays as you want (not saying they did here) and only get the one penalty.
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 02, 2024, 12:27:12 AMYeah it really should have. Makes it clear you can do as many dirty plays as you want (not saying they did here) and only get the one penalty.
The URs would normally be cumulative, but when it's at the 1 it does nothing. So on a 1st & goal from the 1, go ahead and UR away with impunity on D! Do it within the whistles and you won't even get ejected for multiples!
Go Woods!!! That's what we need.
Apart from the int by Zach and potential head injury it was a solid half for the bombers on the road.
Why Holmes on punt return?
Geez Rod. Don't sound so depressed that the Bombers sacked Harris.
I don't like Holm taking the returns. He may be fast but he's too critical for the D.
Put someone "expendable" out there.
Lucky must be out. Anyone have any news yet?
Atta boy, Nic!
Quote from: markf on September 02, 2024, 12:30:02 AMWhy Holmes on punt return?
Lucky Whitehead I assumed was injured on his last touch on the return
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 12:29:50 AMApart from the int by Zach and potential head injury it was a solid half for the bombers on the road.
It was an insanely good half. Must be our best half of the whole season. Against what is supposed to be a great D.
Not over yet and I still wouldn't bet against SSK even with our lead. But ya, I'll happily take what we've achieved so far and super kudos to the coaches/coords for coming up with such an amazing plan to overcome our major handicaps.
Well at least Dunigan said the hit on Zach was "uncalled for" and should result in a fine.
Quote from: barbk on September 02, 2024, 12:31:39 AMLucky Whitehead I assumed was injured on his last touch on the return
Holm has done 2 returns now. Lucky went down earlier and held his thigh. Hammy? The hit he took didn't look special, but you never know.
If I'm SSK, assuming they aren't completely demoralized, I'm telling my guys to come out and play ultra-smashmouth in the 2nd H. The physicality has been way down from what you'd expect.
If they keep playing soft not only will they lose this game, but we'll be fully healthy and unbruised for Banjo Bowl.
The first SSK drive after halftime may be critical to the outcome.
Game is not over by any stretch.
That late hit by brown on Collaros was a full 2 steps after the ball was gone and a compressed, directed hit to the head-to me, that's rough play- it was a direct intent to injure, he should have got 25 yards and a game penalty for that. But the refs don't have the stones to kick guys out of the game, so maybe they revise the Ur rule to allow for 25 yd ur s just like there's 10 yd and 15 yd misconduct penalties. But no way brown should get a measly 15 yd penalty which on the PI play amounted to nothing.
Gotta make player pay for deliberate blows to the head. Sure he ll get fined, but kick him out of the game for that hit and chances are he doesn't do,it again. Right now it's a joke
Riders are feeling it, no doubt. They haven't won in a long time and are down big already in this one. We can crush them psychologically if we score another major and continue to make plays. Even a turnover might do it.
But what about these Bombers. After a horrific start this team is rolling and starting to gel on offense, defense, and special teams. Keep her going boys, keep her going!
Quote from: dd on September 02, 2024, 12:41:19 AMso maybe they revise the Ur rule to allow for 25 yd ur s just like there's 10 yd and 15 yd misconduct penalties. But no way brown should get a measly 15 yd penalty which on the PI play amounted to nothing.
He actually got a 0 YD RTP penalty. It was a free hit on Zach. He didn't even get a strike for misconduct!
I think that SSK guy was trying to do the same thing that happened a few weeks ago when the guy pushed into Zach with hands and butted Zach's helmet and knocked Zach clean out for 15 secs. I warned at the time that if they let that go players would just lead with the hands and butt H2H for a free head hit.
In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if refs/command are saying today's H2H is ok too, because of the hand-leading. What made this for sure RTP today was that he was way late.
League needs to stop any H2H even when the D "fake leads" with his hands. Or Zach will be taking more of these because every D player knows that as long as they aren't late they'll get away with it.
Oh man. Strev time
Zach taken out, 0 yards penalty for it. Not back for the game, can only hope he'll be ok for BB.
However, Strev is basically tailor made for this type of situation: up 15, a dodgy OL. Let's do the Strev/Brady ground pound and see what the SSK run D can do!
On the bad side: Zach was feeling it and likely would keep producing.
Nooooooooo!
Zach is out.
Zach out. Just ridiculous. Gawd I hate coming to Regina for a game. What a gross franchise.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 12:50:10 AMZach out. Just ridiculous. Gawd I hate coming to Regina for a game. What a gross franchise.
Riders can suck a bunch of things that will be blocked out by asterisks.
Have faith in Strev! I think he'll keep the heat on. He does need to pass once in a while, but Strev can do those short curls too.
There must be a wind going that direction? First the KO single, now a 55Y for always-miss-Lauther?
So we get that wind in the 4th? That's the MOS way! Hold on in the 3rd and it's advantage WPG.
The way roughing the passer is treated....
It's definitely a huge win for the defence.
Fifteen yard penalty...v... starter out.
Absolutely ridiculous.
And Zach might consider retirement. Too many of these now.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 12:54:02 AMThere must be a wind going that direction? First the KO single, now a 55Y for always-miss-Lauther?
Of course TSN won't mention anything.
Worried about Strev tossing INTS...prove me wrong dude!!
Quote from: markf on September 02, 2024, 12:54:08 AMThe way roughing the passer is treated....
It's definitely a huge win for the defence.
Fifteen yard penalty...v... starter out.
Again: ZERO yard penalty! DPI takes it to the 1 and RTP takes it halfway to the goal, which takes it to the ... 1. 0 yard penalty.
I bet the SSK locker room was overjoyed at the halftime taking Zach out.
I would like Terry Wilson in as QB and keep Strevy has backup IMO
Strev had no time there, bust on the right side. Throwing it into the turf is the smart play.
The ignoring of BO is puzzling
Defence has to win this...not convinced this scheme Younger has cooked up is the answer.
Quote from: barbk on September 02, 2024, 12:57:46 AMI would like Terry Wilson in as QB and keep Strevy has backup IMO
Nah, Strevy gives us our best chance up 15. I don't want to see the Zach O, I want to see the Strevy/Brady O like we did that other game Strevy started. I want crazy creative run designs all over the place.
Oh noooooooooooow they want to look after the QB. Weakest RTP ever.
Maybe Habba should have hit Harris in the head like they did to ZC..... Lapolice is good
What a terrible call. Queue the Regina screw job by the officials.
Wow, SSK now has no OL. What's up with hoggies this year?
Micah Johnson gotta play o line
Maybe don't play around with a 3 man rush !!!!!
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 01:03:59 AMMicah Johnson gotta play o line
That's gonna weaken both SSK O and D! I don't see how Micah can play many D snaps now.
#67 Fry looks out for the game with a break.
We are giving the riders hope - momentum is shifting.
If they score with a patchwork o line they will believe they can win
This game may come down to whose patchwork OL can play better.
However, SSK still has their starting QB. Us, not so much.
Jones33 is a force! Seems to be in on every tackle.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 01:06:58 AMIf they score with a patchwork o line they will believe they can win
Can't believe we both typed "patchwork" simultaneously. But that's what it is!
We aren't changing the rushing strategy ??
O needs a drive
Yeah Jones is very good. All over the field, good tackler, smart.
Thanks C. Jones.
Please get the ball into Brady's hands. Somehow
Strev needs to make more of those short passes like that on 1st down so SSK will loosen up. They were stuffing the box there. It's the smart play for them
Just look at that tight box on 1st down every time!! They can run-blitz and pass-blitz simultaneously. Only solution is the quick pass.
Brown going to be getting some special attention from the Bombers o line.
Why does Sask seem to find d linemen intent on dirty plays on quarterbacks?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 01:07:11 AMThis game may come down to whose patchwork OL can play better.
However, SSK still has their starting QB. Us, not so much.
Jones33 is a force! Seems to be in on every tackle.
Jones is the catch of the year!! Man is a beast out there, always hustling and making plays.
Sorry but doing that play with Strevy is getting old.... new creativity is needed. Would rather have BO run the ball
3 points is good
We need a turnover - defence should be able to capitalize on their o line deficiencies
Riders missing Johnson on interior of their D line, Brady running at will up the middle.
Quote from: barbk on September 02, 2024, 01:14:54 AMSorry but doing that play with Strevy is getting old.... new creativity is needed. Would rather have BO run the ball
It's fine if they mix it up. At least that's the only Strevy run so far. Need an even mix to keep the D guessing. And misdirection.
That's 2 dropsies for SSK Rs so far.... Trevor is delivering, but R corps letting him down
Good!
Yay, Lucky back!!!
Want to see Strevie truck someone.
If we can drive even just for a FG every 1-2 drives we should be able to win. The dink & dunk by SSK won't work by about the mid-4th Q. And their weakened OL won't hold long enough for deep shots.
Brady Oliveira is such a beast too. Let's see them run the ball down the Rider's throat!
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 01:20:12 AMWant to see Strevie truck someone.
"Get out of my way! I was in the NFL for 5 years!"
-- Streveler, probably
MOS wearing a new hat every week it seems!
Now he's got the Li'l Rascals reverse hat thing going.
This is the first time I see OSH with his hat on backwards, and he seems a little intense on the sidelines
why didnt strev keep the ball
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 02, 2024, 01:25:03 AMwhy didnt strev keep the ball
Strev needs to work on his run-run-option (RRO?) misdirection. I think he makes it too obvious where it's going.
How about we bring a little heat? We should be slaughtering this OL
9:30 is more than enough time for Trevor to dink & dunk. Need to do something about it or it'll be the most boring comeback in CFL history.
It's the Mcadoo O all over again!
Quick, go find the Hall playbook from 2019!
Our defence getting shredded is a terrible look.
Bighill is past his prime.
No pressure at all
Bonds blown up. Ya, maybe Parker will get his spot back when he's healthy.
How can Jordan younger not understand that there is a D lineman playing offensive line
Even lapo mentioned it was making it easier for him.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 01:31:35 AMNo pressure at all
It's hard on the 5-10Y curl/out dink & dunk. The key to beating that is to get in the hot route lanes. Swamp the lanes and get hands up. DEs rush up the edge instead of trying to get to the QB.
Trevor is really good. We haven't rattled him yet. Need to lay some wood on him (yes, retaliation!).
Bombers look flat.
Need a boost.
poor play calling
It's gonna come down to the D. Have to stop the short pass game.
How did the Bombers brain trust actually think Strevler can be a cfl QB?
If this is a championship defence - now is the time
Well, Strev is exactly what was expected.
Need the D to come up BIG.
Too stubborn to change the defence
SSK barely trying to run.
It'll just be 2 attempts for 10Y all night long. Then the odd mid pass when we cheat to the short game. It's clearly obvious. We need a solution.
Haven't hit Harris once.
Why haven't we done a safety blitz yet....
Quote from: barbk on September 02, 2024, 01:42:54 AMWhy haven't we done a safety blitz yet....
There is the first blitz of the game and it worked
Time out Saskatchewan.... Bighill down on the field LOL
Argh, Biggie out. Knee. That might be it for Biggie, unfortunately.
Gauthier to come back in? Watch the pass attack on the middle now.
I think we need to find a MLB solution for the post-season this year.
That looked terrible on Bighill
get a field goal at least!!
A clock-chewing FG here will make it real hard for SSK
Big return for lucky!!
Strev clearly getting only a tiny book to work with.
That was ALL demski - not a great pass
No matter the outcome I'm proud of the guys for the grit in this near-impossible ask.
The big thing will be praying Zach is 100% fine and not out the following week like the last time he got hit. I don't want Strev to play the whole Banjo Bowl.
once again strev should have taken it
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 02, 2024, 01:49:45 AMonce again strev should have taken it
Easy to say once the defenders flow to the guy they see has the ball. Remember that Strev edge rush a few drives ago for near 0.
No, I think it's SSK is basically just shutting down the run.
We are long FG range.
What's the point of keeping a qb that can't throw??
wow...sergio!!!!
Sergio my hero
Try for the rouge
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 01:51:35 AMWhat's the point of keeping a qb that can't throw??
Strev can throw. He did well on his previous start this season.
He just seems to suck at those outs, which are hard to gauge.
I want to see us let him throw mid/deep. We haven't done that yet. It would catch SSK completely off guard.
Deliberate head shot on Streveller as he was already going down.
You could see the guy aiming for his head.
Riders still dirty as hell.
Darn. Close to the rouge - get that you win the game
Wow, is there actually significant crowd noise with SSK on O?? WPG represent!
Blitz the qb!!!
Wow, we're going to let them get 10Y passes the whole way down and rely on stopping the 2PAT.
Then again, OT would be really good for the league and fans.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 01:54:56 AMWow, we're going to let them get 10Y passes the whole way down and rely on stopping the 2PAT.
Then again, OT would be really good for the league and fans.
Ridiculous
Weird, if you're going soft with 3 man pass rush, why don't you have some defenders underneath?
That's what you do!!! A T.O. there would end the game.
Clock is looking like it's being run by a homer...
Cmon boys!
OT here we come
Holm has to do better
Only the 2PAT left
That O/S is likely Haba
One more chance then it'll all rest on Strevie
Jones!
I would have put huge money on Trevor getting one last dink & dunk to tie it.
Bombers are in trouble if Collaros is out. Streveler is NOT good enough to be a full time Qb.
I am sad.
looks like jones was a good pickup for the blue
Tony jones - don't take him off the field
Beautiful!!
Well, Mace and SSK fans can be satisfied with that. So close.
Quote from: Ducky on September 02, 2024, 02:03:18 AMBombers are in trouble if Collaros is out. Streveler is NOT good enough to be a full time Qb.
I am sad.
he hasnt had a full set of practices to prep for the game.....
Well, I guess give them one last shot for a mid pass and a FG
Let's see the DPI
His throwing mechanics are terrible and he can only make one read.
Should have been Lawler out there
Looked like a mugging to me, not a DPI
Quote from: Ducky on September 02, 2024, 02:03:18 AMBombers are in trouble if Collaros is out. Streveler is NOT good enough to be a full time Qb.
I am sad.
On a crappy penalty too!!
Not even close
What an ending!!!!!!!
That crowd got their money's worth.
Reminds me of the 60Y Meddy attempt in '17 WSF
Bombers!!
Omggggg
Whew. My heart's a racing.
they have to do something about where the receiver runs into the DB and its called PI...it should have been a called a pick OPI
Whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That hit on Collaros was a dirty and late hit. Fine coming but that wouldn't have been any help if we lost.
This one really was a classic. Might be game of the year. Big scoring, lots of 4th Q excitement and many chances for SSK to win.
Surely SSK fans won't be freaking out after this one.
Still don't like that last DPI -- will study later. Often Os will mug to pull a flag.
Quote from: 55StickCar on September 02, 2024, 02:09:01 AMWhew. My heart's a racing.
Ya, that one has everyone's racing
Giving up the ~10% OSK is a bit embarrasing. Needs more work. Need more blockers.
That was offensive pass interference!!
have to wonder how long collaros has left in his career with these hits
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:09:41 AMSurely SSK fans won't be freaking out after this one.
Ha ha ha...no.
You must be new to this league.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 02, 2024, 02:11:34 AMhave to wonder how long collaros has left in his career with these hits
A long time if we could field something like:
Bryant Desjar Couture Chungh Hardrick !!!!!!
Oh ya, and if the league will do something that really stings teams taking cheap late head shots.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 01:53:05 AMStrev can throw. He did well on his previous start this season.
He just seems to suck at those outs, which are hard to gauge.
I want to see us let him throw mid/deep. We haven't done that yet. It would catch SSK completely off guard.
Cmon man. He can't throw.
Kickers were the difference in tonights game. Simply put, Castillo won us the game. I have no doubt if we had to make a 60 yarder to win the game, Sergio would pull the trigger no problem.
riders forum is starting to sizzle
Harris threw 49 passes ...completed 30...
The 3 man rush needs to be dialled back a bit next game
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:14:51 AMCmon man. He can't throw.
I think he has as many Grey Cup passing TD as Zach does! Maybe more!!
Hit on Collaros.
I am really Tired of that stuff.
The weak punishment is sickening.
What a screwing by the officials in this game. I am so glad to be done playing in that craphole of a stadium. Tremendous show of character by the first place Winnipeg Blue Bombers to never give up and hang on for the win. So very proud of this team. The doubters can pound salt.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 02:15:47 AMHarris threw 49 passes ...completed 30...
The 3 man rush needs to be dialled back a bit next game
We almost never do 3 man rush. This game it was most of our game! WTH was that.
Well, on the bright side it probably confused SSK because they definitely didn't plan for us to rush 3 all night!
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 02, 2024, 02:11:34 AMhave to wonder how long collaros has left in his career with these hits
I'm sorry, but this is a terrible comment. The guy is 36. He's onion his last season or two regardless of of hits. Seems meaningless to bring up.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:14:51 AMCmon man. He can't throw.
Milt knows it..Sanchez knows it..I know it...you know it..
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 02:17:02 AMThe doubters can pound salt.
The OL held its own. I'll eat crow. A week of practice together meant everything in the world. Even Eli was stopping guys. And they were picking on the weak spots, I was watching.
However, the OL/LT did allow that blindside hit that took Zach out.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:16:09 AMI think he has as many Grey Cup passing TD as Zach does! Maybe more!!
Cool.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:14:23 AMA long time if we could field something like:
Bryant Desjar Couture Chungh Hardrick !!!!!!
Oh ya, and if the league will do something that really stings teams taking cheap late head shots.
they aint gonna field a line like that ever!!!...gotta deal with reality there!!!
yea...those cheap hits...definitely, the league needs to clamp down or the command center needs to step in and say "hes outta hereee!"...and a fine wouldnt hurt either
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 01:53:05 AMStrev can throw. He did well on his previous start this season.
He just seems to suck at those outs, which are hard to gauge.
I want to see us let him throw mid/deep. We haven't done that yet. It would catch SSK completely off guard.
C.mon man, are we watching the same Qb?? Everyone in the league knows he can't throw, including his coaching staff. He only threw 1 pass over 5 yards in the second half, that isn't going to get it done. Davis Sanchez and Milt were totally calling him out after the game.
Thank god we have a decent lead when he came in. We are absolutely dead if he plays in the BB. Dead.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:14:23 AMA long time if we could field something like:
Bryant Desjar Couture Chungh Hardrick !!!!!!
Oh ya, and if the league will do something that really stings teams taking cheap late head shots.
If the league is serious about player safety, late head shots like Brown's which was totally avoidable should result in an automatic ejection from the game. As it was, we lose our starting quarterback and on the play with DPI, the Riders didn't take ANY yardage on this egregious foul. That is truly sad in this day and age of concussion prevention. Sad.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 02:18:53 AMMilt knows it..Sanchez knows it..I know it...you know it..
Then let's make sure we don't hold out Zach for "precautions" in 7 days, eh? Let's be hardnosed like every other HC and "if they can walk, they can play". :o :o :o
Don't expect any info midweek by Mafia. No one will have a clue Zach will start until 24 hrs before BB KO. I won't be surprised to see Strev take all practice snaps with #1.
I don't think Streveler is ever going to be able to drop back and give you 30 passes from the pocket but it would be nice if he could give us a little more. I'm not sure how he can be a backup QB if he can't throw at all which is what we saw tonight.
Yeah, I have no confidence in Streveler needing to throw a lot of passes. It didn't appear that Collaros was pulled for more than just precautionary issue.
OTOH, Bighill may be lost if that was more than a bruised knee. Didn't look good. At the very least we need to find another LB for the PR.
Defence did not play their best game but that was impacted by our offence not on the field as often or long enough.
Big momentum swing when Collaros went out.
Anyway we're currently in 1st place. We should win Banjo Bowl and solidify that spot.
Bryant should be back for that game.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 02:23:26 AMI'm not sure how he can be a backup QB if he can't throw at all which is what we saw tonight.
Keep in mind he wasn't being allowed to pass mid/deep. A) Because Buck doesn't have much faith, and B) we were in "Prevent O", just like we were in Prevent D.
Yes, I agree with everyone that Strev isn't the best passer, but I strongly maintain he can pass enough to win .500, and that is what we have him here for as a $110k backup.
If it's Strev in the BB we need to a) have him throw deep early to open up the D, b) do the run-run option with Brady that worked so well in his last start.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 02:23:26 AMI don't think Streveler is ever going to be able to drop back and give you 30 passes from the pocket but it would be nice if he could give us a little more. I'm not sure how he can be a backup QB if he can't throw at all which is what we saw tonight.
I have no idea why Strev looks so much worse than he did 5 years ago, but he's not even effective in a third down role, never mind a starting role.
No idea what happened , but it's not good for us
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2024, 02:24:00 AMOTOH, Bighill may be lost if that was more than a bruised knee. Didn't look good. At the very least we need to find another LB for the PR.
I think we should do some serious franchise-level MLB shopping right now. Trade deadline in a few weeks. Might cost us 1RDP though.
BC has shown that cap doesn't matter, so who cares about SMS cost.
Biggie likely out many games now, and can't make a real GC run without a top-class MLB. This may be the time to pull the trigger.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:26:57 AMI have no idea why Strev looks so much worse than he did 5 years ago, but he's not even effective in a third down role, never mind a starting role.
He got all of his sneaks tonight, including a 3 yard sneak TD (which I thought would take 2 tries).
I think our team is working hard on getting back to 95%+ on SY.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:30:13 AMI think we should do some serious franchise-level MLB shopping right now. Trade deadline in a few weeks. Might cost us 1RDP though.
BC has shown that cap doesn't matter, so who cares about SMS cost.
Biggie likely out many games now, and can't make a real GC run without a top-class MLB. This may be the time to pull the trigger.
Who do you think is even available and why would another team trade him for a draft pick?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 02:23:26 AMI don't think Streveler is ever going to be able to drop back and give you 30 passes from the pocket but it would be nice if he could give us a little more. I'm not sure how he can be a backup QB if he can't throw at all which is what we saw tonight.
Streveler was, I am sure, running the plays he was told to run. What we couldn't afford was a turnover and we were successful. That was an extremely intelligent approach to run to get the win in the end. It chewed clock, resulted in FGs, and turned out to be just enough to help us win in a hostile environment whilst losing our all-star starting QB after one half. Streveler gave us exactly what we needed, a win.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:26:46 AMKeep in mind he wasn't being allowed to pass mid/deep. A) Because Buck doesn't have much faith, and B) we were in "Prevent O", just like we were in Prevent D.
Yes, I agree with everyone that Strev isn't the best passer, but I strongly maintain he can pass enough to win .500, and that is what we have him here for as a $110k backup.
If it's Strev in the BB we need to a) have him throw deep early to open up the D, b) do the run-run option with Brady that worked so well in his last start.
He wasn't being allowed to throw deep? I mean the play he hit Wolitarsky on the in (his deepest pass of the game) he had fly post from his other two receivers. That's basically a home run shot.
You're right though. That might have been the only play call like that of the night.
On the other hand, he's started 6 quarters of football and won two games for us so that's not exactly bad.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:26:57 AMI have no idea why Strev looks so much worse than he did 5 years ago, but he's not even effective in a third down role, never mind a starting role.
No idea what happened , but it's not good for us
He looks uncomfortable that is for sure. Time in the nfl did him a disservice?? Odd for sure
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:26:46 AMKeep in mind he wasn't being allowed to pass mid/deep. A) Because Buck doesn't have much faith, and B) we were in "Prevent O", just like we were in Prevent D.
Yes, I agree with everyone that Strev isn't the best passer, but I strongly maintain he can pass enough to win .500, and that is what we have him here for as a $110k backup.
If it's Strev in the BB we need to a) have him throw deep early to open up the D, b) do the run-run option with Brady that worked so well in his last start.
Since we're quoting authorities... Lapo specifically said during this game broadcast that Streveller can pass.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2024, 02:31:43 AMWho do you think is even available and why would another team trade him for a draft pick?
1) No idea
2) Because HAM/EDM, maybe CGY, will soon be out of the playoff hunt
3) We'd also probably have to give them a good player
Why do other teams always seem to fill their holes for big playoff runs? Ya, I want that!
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 02:32:20 AMStreveler was, I am sure, running the plays he was told to run. What we couldn't afford was a turnover and we were successful. That was an extremely intelligent approach to run to get the win in the end. It chewed clock, resulted in FGs, and turned out to be just enough to help us win in a hostile environment whilst losing our all-star starting QB after one half. Streveler gave us exactly what we needed, a win.
I totally agree with you. What we couldn't afford was a turnover. Thanks for posting that.
Chris Streveler is a warrior and we are lucky to have him. He most certainly can throw. To say he can't is preposterous. Yes he pulled the string on that one to BO out in the flat but lots of QBs have done that. It's a fine touch type of throw that requires a lot of practice. The best QBs in the league can look like dog crap on occasion throwing the ball, that doesn't mean they are no good.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 02:32:23 AMHe wasn't being allowed to throw deep? I mean the play he hit Wolitarsky on the in (his deepest pass of the game) he had fly post from his other two receivers. That's basically a home run shot.
You're right though. That might have been the only play call like that of the night.
On the other hand, he's started 6 quarters of football and won two games for us so that's not exactly bad.
Yes, I'm in full agreement. When they let him loose with a bigger playbook he can be effective. And if he throws an INT, I'd rather it be on a 50Y attempt than a 7Y attempt.
That Woli pass was in heavy traffic and basically a dart AND dime.
People a little too hard on Strev IMO. I think the play calling strategy didn't help him. I'm not saying it was wrong, but it wasn't exactly conducive to getting him into any rhythm with the passing game. If he starts next week, I'm thinking you'll see a much better passing display from him.
I won't crap too hard on Strev. He did what I'm assuming he was asked to do. I'll assume that we kept Zach out because we thought we could defend a 15 point lead, and besides the super soft last drive, we did a fairly good job of that.
That being said, if Zach is actually hurt we need to trade for Massoli ASAP. I don't think Chris can pull us through the race in the west.
Quote from: markf on September 02, 2024, 02:35:07 AMSince we're quoting authorities... Lapo specifically said during this game broadcast that Streveller can pass.
Ya he only said that so he could brag that he was his coach. Strev can't pass to save his soul, couldn't 5 years ago and sure as heck can't now, he's regressed I'm this aspect of his game because he was a short yardage Qb in the nfl so that's all he ever practiced and it shows
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:26:46 AMKeep in mind he wasn't being allowed to pass mid/deep. A) Because Buck doesn't have much faith, and B) we were in "Prevent O", just like we were in Prevent D.
Yes, I agree with everyone that Strev isn't the best passer, but I strongly maintain he can pass enough to win .500, and that is what we have him here for as a $110k backup.
If it's Strev in the BB we need to a) have him throw deep early to open up the D, b) do the run-run option with Brady that worked so well in his last start.
he did win the first win of the season as starting QB
It seems strange that the NFL would even consider him as a backup if he was just a runner. He's an American. He's used to a smaller ball.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 02, 2024, 02:44:12 AMI won't crap too hard on Strev. He did what I'm assuming he was asked to do. I'll assume that we kept Zach out because we thought we could defend a 15 point lead, and besides the super soft last drive, we did a fairly good job of that.
That being said, if Zach is actually hurt we need to trade for Massoli ASAP. I don't think Chris can pull us through the race in the west.
Collaros will play in the BB and exact his revenge on the Cryders!!
Quote from: bomb squad on September 02, 2024, 02:42:23 AMPeople a little too hard on Strev IMO. I think the play calling strategy didn't help him. I'm not saying it was wrong, but it wasn't exactly conducive to getting him into any rhythm with the passing game. If he starts next week, I'm thinking you'll see a much better passing display from him.
people r forgetting the bombers first win of the season was with strev as starting QB
Quote from: Blitzer on September 02, 2024, 02:46:17 AMIt seems strange that the NFL would even consider him as a backup if he was just a runner. He's an American. He's used to a smaller ball.
It's the same size. Has been for like twenty years.
That hit on Zach is driving me crazy.. I don't understand how there was zero recourse. The second last play of the Riders final TD drive, we had an opportunity to do the exact same thing to Harris, and we pulled up. If it's 15 yards and a fine, what's to stop teams from head hunting every game.. Hell, they can use media appearance funds to pay back the player!
This has to stop.
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 02, 2024, 02:44:12 AMI won't crap too hard on Strev. He did what I'm assuming he was asked to do. I'll assume that we kept Zach out because we thought we could defend a 15 point lead, and besides the super soft last drive, we did a fairly good job of that.
That being said, if Zach is actually hurt we need to trade for Massoli ASAP. I don't think Chris can pull us through the race in the west.
We pull Zach because we don't trust the dirty Riders to not pull that crap again....
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:26:57 AMI have no idea why Strev looks so much worse than he did 5 years ago, but he's not even effective in a third down role, never mind a starting role.
No idea what happened , but it's not good for us
could it be the play calling!?!
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 02, 2024, 02:15:39 AMriders forum is starting to sizzle
I'm still listening to the Riders post game phone-in show on the internet. The Riders forum is my next move. Then a repeat of the Bombers post game show. This is going to be a long night. ;D
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 02:46:58 AMIt's the same size. Has been for like twenty years.
Thanks. I didn't know that.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:18:28 AMI'm sorry, but this is a terrible comment. The guy is 36. He's onion his last season or two regardless of of hits. Seems meaningless to bring up.
ur response is terrible!!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:09:41 AMThis one really was a classic. Might be game of the year. Big scoring, lots of 4th Q excitement and many chances for SSK to win.
Surely SSK fans won't be freaking out after this one.
Still don't like that last DPI -- will study later. Often Os will mug to pull a flag.
actually they r kinda as it was the 5th or 6 th loss in a row
O'Shea 100% did the right thing taking Zach out of the game. The league needs to very seriously take a look at what passes for CFL football in the city of Regina. As a CFL fan I absolutely dread seeing my team go into that place to be abused. The bad/phantom calls at the most suspicious times, the questionable spots, and the dirtbag play by some of Regina's players needs to be addressed before they kill, maim, or cripple another player. No player should be intentionally targeted for a dangerous hit.
I wouldn't be surprised if Zach hung them up and just told the league he has given them enough and is no longer willing to risk his future health and/or his life for their entertainment. Shame on the CFL for allowing this garbage to continue.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 02:56:27 AMO'Shea 100% did the right thing taking Zach out of the game. The league needs to very seriously take a look at what passes for CFL football in the city of Regina. As a CFL fan I absolutely dread seeing my team go into that place to be abused. The bad/phantom calls at the most suspicious times, the questionable spots, and the dirtbag play by some of Regina's players needs to be addressed before they kill, maim, or cripple another player. No player should be intentionally targeted for a dangerous hit.
I wouldn't be surprised if Zach hung them up and just told the league he has given them enough and is no longer willing to risk his future health and/or his life for their entertainment. Shame on the CFL for allowing this garbage to continue.
I agrtee.....the league has to take the or make the point to the officials running the game when sask plays to keep an extra eye out for the sask bs play
Quote from: BlueInCgy on September 02, 2024, 02:44:12 AMThat being said, if Zach is actually hurt we need to trade for Massoli ASAP. I don't think Chris can pull us through the race in the west.
OTT won't trade Masoli because they have a legit GC shot this season.
Zach will be fine, the only question is if we "precaution" him next week, just like we did earlier in the season. He is getting his bell rung way too often this season... it's not hits that are the problem, it's head hits. Everyone knows he's ultra susceptible and vulnerable in the noggin, and douche bag Ds are taking cheap shots.
Our OL being musical chairs this season isn't helping.
Quote from: Blitzer on September 02, 2024, 02:50:32 AMI'm still listening to the Riders post game phone-in show on the internet. The Riders forum is my next move. Then a repeat of the Bombers post game show. This is going to be a long night. ;D
What's the best/newest link for that? I haven't listened since Ms. Butter Voice left.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 02:15:47 AMHarris threw 49 passes ...completed 30...
The 3 man rush needs to be dialled back a bit next game
Definitely, LaPo's praise must have gone to Younger's head, 3 man rush is fine once in awhile, but mix it up and throw in a lot more deception. WIL and SAM blitzes have almost disappeared, they have to bring those back into the mix once they have enough healthy bodies.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on September 02, 2024, 02:46:43 AMpeople r forgetting the bombers first win of the season was with strev as starting QB
Or remembering that he threw for 127 yards in that win.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 03:09:48 AMWhat's the best/newest link for that? I haven't listened since Ms. Butter Voice left.
650 CKOM
Quote from: Blitzer on September 02, 2024, 03:13:53 AM650 CKOM
https://www.ckom.com/2024/09/01/riders-bombers-clash-for-first-in-west-division-in-labour-day-classic/
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:30:13 AMI think we should do some serious franchise-level MLB shopping right now. Trade deadline in a few weeks. Might cost us 1RDP though.
BC has shown that cap doesn't matter, so who cares about SMS cost.
Biggie likely out many games now, and can't make a real GC run without a top-class MLB. This may be the time to pull the trigger.
Tony Jones could be the replacement MLB once he learns the playbook well enough, till then we'll see a lot of Gauthier. Hopefully Kyrie comes back soon, anyone know what his injury is and if he's close to participating in practice?
Strev17? Not dominating with the run anymore.
Zach: Was playing well until that cheap late hit.
Nice to have Woli back, 4/6 for 48 yards.
Jones: 7 DTs, 2 PDs.
Holm: 10 DTs, 1 PD.
Short kick: Our hands team was terrible.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 03:12:15 AMOr remembering that he threw for 127 yards in that win.
Ya, but how many running yards for him and Brady??
Quote from: Blitzer on September 02, 2024, 03:14:47 AMhttps://www.ckom.com/2024/09/01/riders-bombers-clash-for-first-in-west-division-in-labour-day-classic/
Thanks!!
I used to listen to CKRM. Is CKOM better? I'll see if I can find the CKRM one later on rerun
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2024, 03:15:18 AMTony Jones could be the replacement MLB once he learns the playbook well enough, till then we'll see a lot of Gauthier. Hopefully Kyrie comes back soon, anyone know what his injury is and if he's close to participating in practice?
I had the same thought... but: has Jones ever played at MLB? I'd rather have a "real" (i.e. vet natural MLB) solution, to also set us up for 2025+.
Great idea with Kyrie: him at WILL, Jones at MLB... assuming he can. I think Wilson will be back soon (if we let him take his old spot back over Jones!).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 03:21:14 AMIs CKOM better?
How come CKOM is employing The Count from Sesame Street?
Haaaaa haaaa haaaaa haaaa
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 03:21:14 AMThanks!!
I used to listen to CKRM. Is CKOM better? I'll see if I can find the CKRM one later on rerun
It's on both.
Quote from: Blitzer on September 02, 2024, 03:29:31 AMIt's on both.
I don't know if they're the same show or different.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 02, 2024, 03:15:31 AMStrev17? Not dominating with the run anymore.
Zach: Was playing well until that cheap late hit.
Jones: 7 DTs, 2 PDs.
Holm: 10 DTs, 1 PD.
Short kick: Our hands team was terrible.
Lawler needed to be where Willie was..sometimes we get too cute in our thinking. Willie didn't jump.
Quote from: Blitzer on September 02, 2024, 03:30:17 AMI don't know if they're the same show or different.
Ya, I think there are 2 separate stations doing full Rider coverage in Regina. At least that's how it used to be.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 03:30:58 AMLawler needed to be where Willie was..sometimes we get too cute in our thinking. Willie didn't jump.
Willie not high-pointing it is rather disappointing. That said, I'm not sure he's ever jumped for an OSK before! He's so tall we may be just trying to get him to bat it OOB or catch it. Don't necessarily blame Willie, this is almost certainly a coaching decision.
The main failure was the blocking. That DB coming in basically unblocked was a failure.
We may have to rethink the whole OSK recovery plan. This should have had a 90% failure rate for SSK, yet they got it. Almost cost the game... and not even OT, the actual game!
Hey, MOS setting us up to have the wind in the 4th may have saved us the game... He's always trying to end with the wind. Lauther may have had a shot if he hadn't been kicking against the wind.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 03:24:04 AMI had the same thought... but: has Jones ever played at MLB? I'd rather have a "real" (i.e. vet natural MLB) solution, to also set us up for 2025+.
Great idea with Kyrie: him at WILL, Jones at MLB... assuming he can. I think Wilson will be back soon (if we let him take his old spot back over Jones!).
I believe Jones played MLB with the Elks last season, 6'2" 235 lbs. he has the size.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 03:19:58 AMYa, but how many running yards for him and Brady??
Well, tonight is an example of how well that will work.
I'm happy you have faith in him. But he's never shown himself to be a functional QB and he's performed worse than 2019 in every sense this season.
Quote from: The Zipp on September 02, 2024, 03:30:58 AMLawler needed to be where Willie was..sometimes we get too cute in our thinking. Willie didn't jump.
I don't think Lawler is 100% otherwise yes, he's gotta be there. Willie is always healthy but Willie makes a lot of business decisions. That was one I could have done without.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 03:12:15 AMOr remembering that he threw for 127 yards in that win.
Streveler does not inspire much confidence as a QB. He makes me realize how much we need Zach, in spite of it not being a banner season for him. In terms of short yardage, he does not have the same O-line he had last time he was here, and I think that's the major difference. But if we need him to function as a passing QB,, we are in big trouble. I almost wonder if we would not have been better off keeping Prukop, and trying to find a legitimate number #2 (although there wasn't much out there this off-season).
The head shot on Zach was late and looked intentional. The CFL does not know how to protect their QBs. They let teams put the oppositions QB out of the game at the cost of a 15 yard penalty. Then they turn around and call roughing the passer on Haba, when Harris is past the line of scrimmage, and Haba makes contact with him before he is even down into his slide.
Having said all that, its hard to complain coming out of Regina with 2 points on Labour Day. Pretty exciting game, almost too much so. I thought we had it won several times in the last couple of minutes.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 03:21:14 AMThanks!!
I used to listen to CKRM. Is CKOM better? I'll see if I can find the CKRM one later on rerun
One is the Sportscage and the other is the Green Zone Game Day.
They're different but there's a lot of pain being expressed on both. :)
The criticism of Strev is getting sickening by some imo. Yes he hasn't shown enough with his passing as of late but let's not pile on. He has shown an ability to win and can throw a decent ball. Have to be realistic about what we have with him. A great short yardage QB, that can run well and consistently throw a decent short route. He is reliable and provides good ball security. Yes we all would like him to complete more medium and long routes but he plays his role well imo. Don't write his ability to throw off, he has shown flashes in the past.
Davis Sanchez is an idiot for implying that Buck Pierce wouldn't open up the playbook for Streveler because Streveler "isn't good enough". What does Sanchez know about QBing? Dunigan told him he was being ridiculous and not to go there but Sanchez doubled down. Dunigan tried to explain that Pierce called the game for Strev so as not to put him or the team in a position to fail. They played it perfectly and it worked. Haters gonna hate.
When asked if he pulled Zach due to concussion protocol O'Shea said no, it was just the right thing to do. He considers Zach the best QB in the league.
This is two years in a row that a Rider player intentionally tried to injure Zach by going after his head. What is the league waiting for, a death?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/srPy4ONnoWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8aNVopgME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8aNVopgME)
If Strev is allowed to throw more down field and we have turn overs then the experts would cry about him not running the ball more or how they should have thrown more screen passes. It was way too tight but we squeezed one out and that's all that matter. Well played Blue!
The PI call against us with seconds left looked like the Saskatchewan receiver ran into the Winnipeg defensive back, initiated contact, fell down, then jumped up and looked to the official signalling for a flag, which he got. This looked like a set play.
My question is, did O'Shea not have a challenge flag and if he did, why wouldn't he throw it in that situation?
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:15:06 AMDavis Sanchez is an idiot for implying that Buck Pierce wouldn't open up the playbook for Streveler because Streveler "isn't good enough".
Perhaps Sanchez went a bit far. But I think that the general point could be accurate - that Streveler doesn't have the kind of skillset to effectively execute the entire playbook. And to me, that's OK for Streveler because I think of him as a great piece to execute certain packages only, including short yardage. I do not see him as a true backup, but more of a rich man's Dom Davis. We need another Dru Brown-type to come in when Zach gets hurt. I would assume that the Bombers must see Terry Wilson as a guy who can become Dru Brown sometime next season. If Wilson doesn't have that kind of potential upside, then we should be getting someone else in here.
I'm not sure about Masoli (someone mentioned him as a trade target). I can't see the Redblacks making him available. And he won that game, but looked pretty darn shaky. Granted, who wouldn't look shaky after such a long layoff. Hopefully Wilson will be ready for a "true backup" role sometime next season.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:29:47 AMThe PI call against us with seconds left looked like the Saskatchewan receiver ran into the Winnipeg defensive back, initiated contact, fell down, then jumped up and looked to the official signalling for a flag, which he got. This looked like a set play.
My question is, did O'Shea not have a challenge flag and if he did, why wouldn't he throw it in that situation?
If it was a "set play", that is a fanastic thing to have in your back pocket. Hopefully we copy that idea.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:29:47 AMThe PI call against us with seconds left looked like the Saskatchewan receiver ran into the Winnipeg defensive back, initiated contact, fell down, then jumped up and looked to the official signalling for a flag, which he got. This looked like a set play.
My question is, did O'Shea not have a challenge flag and if he did, why wouldn't he throw it in that situation?
Yes, I agree. For a minute I thought I was watching soccer.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:15:06 AMDavis Sanchez is an idiot for implying that Buck Pierce wouldn't open up the playbook for Streveler because Streveler "isn't good enough". What does Sanchez know about QBing? Dunigan told him he was being ridiculous and not to go there but Sanchez doubled down. Dunigan tried to explain that Pierce called the game for Strev so as not to put him or the team in a position to fail. They played it perfectly and it worked. Haters gonna hate.
When asked if he pulled Zach due to concussion protocol O'Shea said no, it was just the right thing to do. He considers Zach the best QB in the league.
This is two years in a row that a Rider player intentionally tried to injure Zach by going after his head. What is the league waiting for, a death?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/srPy4ONnoWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8aNVopgME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8aNVopgME)
Milt agreed with Sanchez, said they won't open up the playbook for Streveler because they can't open it up, that he would not have success with it. On the other hand, Matt clearly disagreed, and I think Lapo defended Streveler earlier also. One thing I think we can agree on is that we would rather not be in the situation to find out. Hopefully Zach is back.
I love Steveler, he's a team player and gives 100%. But he has not shown me he can be successful passing the ball.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:15:06 AMDavis Sanchez is an idiot for implying that Buck Pierce wouldn't open up the playbook for Streveler because Streveler "isn't good enough". What does Sanchez know about QBing? Dunigan told him he was being ridiculous and not to go there but Sanchez doubled down. Dunigan tried to explain that Pierce called the game for Strev so as not to put him or the team in a position to fail. They played it perfectly and it worked. Haters gonna hate.
When asked if he pulled Zach due to concussion protocol O'Shea said no, it was just the right thing to do. He considers Zach the best QB in the league.
This is two years in a row that a Rider player intentionally tried to injure Zach by going after his head. What is the league waiting for, a death?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/srPy4ONnoWw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8aNVopgME (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8aNVopgME)
Stupid. And, I can't believe both of these players were not tossed from the game. Were do the Riders find all these D bags.
Quote from: pdirks67 on September 02, 2024, 04:33:15 AMIf it was a "set play", that is a fanastic thing to have in your back pocket. Hopefully we copy that idea.
We have done exactly that play in the past.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:29:47 AMThe PI call against us with seconds left looked like the Saskatchewan receiver ran into the Winnipeg defensive back, initiated contact, fell down, then jumped up and looked to the official signalling for a flag, which he got. This looked like a set play.
My question is, did O'Shea not have a challenge flag and if he did, why wouldn't he throw it in that situation?
That play is a Dave Dickenson classic, the Stamps used to run it to backup critical incompletions late in tight games. They haven't been in a situation that called for it in a couple of years now so it seems new, but Mace was part of Dickenson's coaching staff when it was used previously.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 03:41:12 AMI'm happy you have faith in him. But he's never shown himself to be a functional QB and he's performed worse than 2019 in every sense this season.
Then the NFL must be functionally brain dead?? NFL lets Rourke walk after 1.5 years, but they kept Strev for nearly 5?
Make it make sense.
I still have faith in Strev. Let's wait and see.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 03:41:34 AMI don't think Lawler is 100% otherwise yes, he's gotta be there. Willie is always healthy but Willie makes a lot of business decisions. That was one I could have done without.
Nah, our OSK recovery unit has been tall Willie for a fair while now. It's a smart play because he's so tall plus add in his wingspan. However, as we saw tonight, if he gets jostled out of position, it's all for naught.
Our big mistake tonight was literally having everyone else block. Willie can't be the only guy there. We need another 1-2 players for rebound duty (and I don't mean the blockers coming back). If we had another guy near Willie, he could have gotten it on the turf first.
If OSK is around 10%, and we just lost one, then I would expect we go 100% on the rest of the season... no way a team sees 10 OSKs a season!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2024, 05:33:22 AMThat play is a Dave Dickenson classic, the Stamps used to run it to backup a critical incompletion late in tight games. They haven't been in a situation that called for it in a couple of years now so it seems new, but Mace was part of Dickenson's coaching staff when it was used previously.
I wish I could upvote you +100. This is the best post ever on the subject. I call it a "mugging" (surely I got that from TSN?). Begelton and a host of other CGY receivers have done it many times. Rogers used to do it. Rhymes is also known for it too.
Yes, late in games they'll arrange a mugging maybe with a layered route tree so throwing anywhere near there gets DPI. If not, they often get an IC.
The R will basically wait for the DB to pick a side then pick the same side for a collision. It's really aggravating and one of my most-hated football plays.
I really wish the league would find a solution for it. Maybe guidelines on what the DB can do to ensure they don't get a mugging-DPI... then command auto-reviews potential muggings in the 4th.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 05:00:02 AMWe have done exactly that play in the past.
I don't think we do. The Pokey one last week -- for which other forums accused us of mugging -- was not IMHO. See my breakdown it in other threads.
I can't think of many other mugging calls that have gone our way. I really don't think we explicitly coach it like some teams clearly do. It really wouldn't be the MOS Way, would it. We certainly aren't notorious for it like CGY is.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:29:47 AMMy question is, did O'Shea not have a challenge flag and if he did, why wouldn't he throw it in that situation?
Yes flag. No timeouts. We used our last timeout maybe with 45-60s on the clock?
In any event, a game-changing DPI, especially a mugging one, is almost certainly auto-quick-reviewed in the last 3 mins. Command is fine with muggings, always has been.
And they are upholding 90% of called DPIs now, so no way we win that even with a challenge. Was it on Bonds? He'll simply have to learn to dodge the muggings...
Quote from: Blueforlife on September 02, 2024, 04:18:56 AMIf Strev is allowed to throw more down field and we have turn overs then the experts would cry about him not running the ball more or how they should have thrown more screen passes. It was way too tight but we squeezed one out and that's all that matter. Well played Blue!
I actually think Strev's strong point is his mid pass, 15-25Y downfield. Think of his GC passing TD. Think of the dart to Woli tonight.
He seems to struggle on the laterals, outs and hitches. Many backup QBs have the same problem. There is something about the side-to-side angle that screws them up. Even vets will underthrow or overthrow the hitch and out sometimes. See Zach miss wide-open Demski on the hitch screen tonight?!!
So maybe the smart Strev play isn't to give him a small short/side pass book, but give him the nice natural downfield angles (centers, crossers, slants, flats, posts).
Quote from: bunker on September 02, 2024, 03:55:25 AMI almost wonder if we would not have been better off keeping Prukop, and trying to find a legitimate number #2 (although there wasn't much out there this off-season).
I think SMS money dictated Strev as the only option. Prukop really can't be a legit starter in case of injury. So he's SY only. Strev has shown he'll win .500 for us: proven!!
And he can do SY.
So it's simple math:
Zach + .500 Strev + ELC = $800k + .500 if Zach injured
Zach + .100 Prukop + journeyman #2 = $900k + ? if Zach injured
We simply didn't have that last $100k, otherwise we possibly could have made a play on a Arbuckle-level QB. And no guarantee Arbuckle gets you over the .500 of Strev or even the .100 of Prukop!
Found the CKRM shows (post-game, etc) on-demand for your listening pleasure:
https://open.spotify.com/show/4cJeQqJewWwNEeqEzevV4s?go=1&sp_cid=41370268a14588ec22c385d665f2f3d1&utm_source=embed_player_p&utm_medium=desktop&nd=1&dlsi=bc11e70969784a10
Man is this really hard to find via the CKRM site!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 05:59:02 AMI don't think we do.
We used to do it with Greg Carr, for sure. Maybe others.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 06:13:23 AMWe used to do it with Greg Carr, for sure. Maybe others.
Ah, that's going back! Wouldn't that be before MOS? Ok, so I'll revise it: I don't think we've coached the mugging play in the last decade.
I'm making a new thread for it... I've figured some stuff out on replay.
Quote from: bludan on September 02, 2024, 02:49:27 AMWe pull Zach because we don't trust the dirty Riders to not pull that crap again....
And they did - toward the end of the third on Strev, running and he gets pasted by Milligan. Watch it, even in real time it's obvious he's hitting and throwing his helmet to hit Strev in the helmet, and he succeeded.
Dirty indeed.
The Bomber got to be busy this winter.
Old age has caught up to them in major locations.
Quote from: Big Daddy on September 02, 2024, 12:43:55 PMAnd they did - toward the end of the third on Strev, running and he gets pasted by Milligan. Watch it, even in real time it's obvious he's hitting and throwing his helmet to hit Strev in the helmet, and he succeeded.
Dirty indeed.
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Why not? There's no actual cost to the riders for doing it.
Reminds me of the NHL transitioning away from broad street bully b.s. ..
Might be too many old school thinkers involved in the league's affairs, the old farts thinking "it's a contact sport".
There has been a lot of whining, CFL and NFL about this by the "that's just part of football, might as well,play flag football" types. The people who don't care if a guy gets brain damage from intentional, senseless violence.
Wow, the end of the game had my blood pressure through the roof! As I am sure it has been pointed out, the Rider with the high hit on Zach did the same thing in the previous game. When will the league start taking this seriously? I think Maier(?) in Calgary is the only starting QB who has not been injured in a game this year.
Quote from: 1chad on September 02, 2024, 01:08:01 PMWow, the end of the game had my blood pressure through the roof! As I am sure it has been pointed out, the Rider with the high hit on Zach did the same thing in the previous game. When will the league start taking this seriously? I think Maier(?) in Calgary is the only starting QB who has not been injured in a game this year.
Wade Miller agrees with you. Quote from the Free Press:
"At some point, maybe our commissioner will decide that we should protect quarterbacks after the play," Miller told the Free Press. "This is ridiculous and needs to stop. We've seen this two years in a row now."
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 06:11:04 AMI think SMS money dictated Strev as the only option. Prukop really can't be a legit starter in case of injury. So he's SY only. Strev has shown he'll win .500 for us: proven!! And he can do SY.
So it's simple math:
Zach + .500 Strev + ELC = $800k + .500 if Zach injured
Zach + .100 Prukop + journeyman #2 = $900k + ? if Zach injured
We simply didn't have that last $100k, otherwise we possibly could have made a play on a Arbuckle-level QB. And no guarantee Arbuckle gets you over the .500 of Strev or even the .100 of Prukop!
On reflection I'm not sure there was a better option than Streveler as a #2. I think he's better than Dolengala or Fine, and not necessarily worse than Arbuckle. Can't think of any other options that were affordable off the top of my head. We weren't going to sign an MTB at that salary. I don't know if there was really anyone out there this off-season that moved the needle for what we had to spend.
But we're .500 with mostly Zach at QB. It might be a bit optomistic to assume Strev gets us to .500. It's possible I'm being too negative on Strev because of recency bias and how he looked in that second half...part of which may have been by design in terms of Buck wanting to play it safe. But you look at what a guy like Davis Alexander did in a back-up role, and it leaves you wanting more.
I'll just put this here:
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/02/bombers-lucky-whitehead-offers-to-buy-fan-beer-after-labour-day-classic-brawl-gets-blowback/
...Banjo Bowl is going to be fun.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 05:41:43 AMThen the NFL must be functionally brain dead?? NFL lets Rourke walk after 1.5 years, but they kept Strev for nearly 5?
Make it make sense.
I still have faith in Strev. Let's wait and see.
I really don't care what happened in the NFL.
I care about what happens on the CFL field and Strev is what he is. We're not using him in the way that was successful in 2019, and he is unproductive in every other way for us this season.
I'm truly disappointed. I had a lot of hope in the off season for him.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:00:41 PMI really don't care what happened in the NFL.
I care about what happens on the CFL field and Strev is what he is. We're not using him in the way that was successful in 2019, and he is unproductive in every other way for us this season.
I'm truly disappointed. I had a lot of hope in the off season for him.
It appears to be a different mentality for sure. Back in 2019, I think the coaches saw the flaws but were trying to develop him into a more traditional passer. Now it seems like they're sure he doesn't have what he doesn't have and are just calling to his strengths.
The other side of the coin though, is that if Buck called the same game for Streveler as he does with Zach he'd be under major fire.
For my taste, I would like to see the dial turned just a little bit back towards passing QB play.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:00:41 PMI really don't care what happened in the NFL.
I care about what happens on the CFL field and Strev is what he is. We're not using him in the way that was successful in 2019, and he is unproductive in every other way for us this season.
I'm truly disappointed. I had a lot of hope in the off season for him.
Agree, gone are the runs around the edge were Strev. would break off 15-25 yds. either teams are countering those plays effectively or his running abilities have diminished. There is no pretense of him dropping back and making a decision on a play, every play is scripted to run regardless of what the defence is showing and I guess we have to blame Buck for that.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 01:59:10 PMI'll just put this here:
https://3downnation.com/2024/09/02/bombers-lucky-whitehead-offers-to-buy-fan-beer-after-labour-day-classic-brawl-gets-blowback/
...Banjo Bowl is going to be fun.
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Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 06:01:23 AMYes flag. No timeouts. We used our last timeout maybe with 45-60s on the clock?
In any event, a game-changing DPI, especially a mugging one, is almost certainly auto-quick-reviewed in the last 3 mins. Command is fine with muggings, always has been.
And they are upholding 90% of called DPIs now, so no way we win that even with a challenge. Was it on Bonds? He'll simply have to learn to dodge the muggings...
Who knows, the penalty was called on Holm who also intercepted the pass. TSN did their very best to avoid showing the replay and the one they did show was shot from as far away as possible so no detail could be determined. Imagine, last minute game changing penalty called and they have nothing to show to verify the infraction or the call.
WTH is going on? With 10 cameras in play incompetence is an unlikely answer.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2024, 02:36:44 PMWho knows, the penalty was called on Holm who also intercepted the pass. TSN did their very best to avoid showing the replay and the one they did show was shot from as far away as possible so no detail could be determined. Imagine, last minute game changing penalty called and they have nothing to show to verify the infraction or the call.
WTH is going on? With 10 cameras in play incompetence is an unlikely answer.
There was definitely contact at about 10-12 yards down field. It was really hard to tell who initiated the contact though.
sask has a problem..........they aint as good as they think they r
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 02:30:13 AMI think we should do some serious franchise-level MLB shopping right now. Trade deadline in a few weeks. Might cost us 1RDP though.
BC has shown that cap doesn't matter, so who cares about SMS cost.
Biggie likely out many games now, and can't make a real GC run without a top-class MLB. This may be the time to pull the trigger.
I have said quite frequently that I think Biggie will call it a career after this season, and that we should be looking for our next franchise MLB now. Whether thar's through a trade, or do like we did when we first stole Biggie ftom BC and jusr find the best experoenced MLB available in free agency make an offer they can't refuse, doesn't matter.
Great game!
Down to the last play and we squeak out another win.
Dirty hit on Collaros turned the tide for them, but didn't win the game for them.
A huge kick into the endzone + an Alford mistake got us 1 so they needed 2 after their last TD.
A lucky bounce + an Alford touch(?) got us a TD.
Running around with a pick after a PI drained the clock so they didn't have an extra play to get closer for the FG.
It finally came down to the kickers. We got our 56 yard FG. They didn't.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 02, 2024, 03:36:43 PMGreat game!
Down to the last play and we squeak out another win.
Dirty hit on Collaros turned the tide for them, but didn't win the game for them.
A huge kick into the endzone + an Alford mistake got us 1 so they needed 2 after their last TD.
A lucky bounce + an Alford touch(?) got us a TD.
Running around with a pick after a PI drained the clock so they didn't have an extra play to get closer for the FG.
It finally came down to the kickers. We got our 56 yard FG. They didn't.
It must have been noted somewhere on here but Sergio had the wind at his back on his 56 yarder, Riders had the choice to make and took the ball in the 3rd instead of the wind in the fourth and found themselves trying to kick an unlikely 60 yarder against the wind. Coaching errors are costing them games, but to be expected from a rookie HC.
Wanna-b-Fanboy posted this on Riderfans forum.
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They are not impressed.
Got to send Sergio some love. Great kicking today. We needed every point. Well done!
Rider fan suggesting the injury to Bighill is deserved after he hit Patterson with zeroes on the clock last time. Classy as always.
Did anyone else see the Riders grab and pull Strevy's leg? Dirty.
Quote from: tlf on September 02, 2024, 05:13:11 PMDid anyone else see the Riders grab and pull Strevy's leg? Dirty.
Yes and that's something we see from the Riders often. Should have been a penalty.
Quote from: tlf on September 02, 2024, 05:13:11 PMDid anyone else see the Riders grab and pull Strevy's leg? Dirty.
Yes saw that, the ref. scolded the player but did not think it worthy of a flag, that must change.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 04:12:39 PMWanna-b-Fanboy posted this on Riderfans forum.
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They are not impressed.
To be fair he took it down and apologized.
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Quote from: tlf on September 02, 2024, 05:13:11 PMDid anyone else see the Riders grab and pull Strevy's leg? Dirty.
I missed that. Is that crap still going on? Man they are a dirtbag team. So glad to done with Regina for the regular season. I'm looking forward to getting them in our barn. Lots of payback coming.
Speaking of which, I'm hearing that Brown is likely to be suspended for his hit on Zach and that he will appeal so he can wreak more havoc in the Banjo Bowl. I wonder if OSH will keep Zach out of that game to protect him. Pretty sad state of the league if that's the case. I really hope the Winnipeg fans let the Riders know just what we and the league think of that dirtbag organization. They must be proud to know they are the scum of the league.
I saw the play, #24 for riders, although there is no rule presently against this there should be , players forward momentum is stopped, play is dead, any yanking of legs etc on a defenseless player should be flagged—it isn't right now, but this dirtbag stuff happens too often, got to but the 'rider dirtbag rule' in I guess.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 02, 2024, 05:37:09 PMYes saw that, the ref. scolded the player but did not think it worthy of a flag, that must change.
Saw that.
That was absurd.
Trying not to complain about the refs, but holy Hannah they make it hard.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 02:16:57 PMThat's just awesome! Thanks for sharing! Love it!
And this is what people waste their time criticizing on Twitter.
My God, grow up, get a life snowflakes!
Robertson Head Butt (https://twitter.com/i/status/1698521309066527087)
Marino on Masoli (https://twitter.com/i/status/1545823388442144768)
Drew Brown (https://twitter.com/i/status/1830605740077371644)
Even Bob Irving commenting on the TSN last night ..
"Instead of praising the Bombers for a heart-stopping 35-33 win in a brutally difficult environment, the TSN panel focused on the fact Chris Streveler didn't throw any deep balls. Interesting. Just a reminder fellas, Wpg won, they've won 4 in a row."
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 01:59:10 PMI'll just put this here:
...Banjo Bowl is going to be fun.
Looks like a few fans had a few too many beers and forgot the rivalry was "friendly" and that they were at a stadium surrounded by 34k people... with cameras.
Since it's all on video now, whoever those SSK fans were are likely to be identified and if they are STHs they may be barred from future games. The WPG fans can just never show up to Regina again (after dealing with any immediate issues if they got arrested).
I have no feelings either way about Lucky's comment. I just hope he doesn't get fined.
P.S. You are legally allowed to defend yourself, and a lot will depend on who initiated physical contact. Too bad the video starts a few seconds too late.
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 05:42:38 PMSpeaking of which, I'm hearing that Brown is likely to be suspended for his hit on Zach and that he will appeal so he can wreak more havoc in the Banjo Bowl.
I doubt he'll be suspended. It wasn't that bad of a hit (in terms of force). Very bad result, yes, because it's Zach. A young guy like Rourke wouldn't have even noticed. He will be fined the max, though.
It bothers me more that nothing happened to that guy a few weeks ago who did the hands + head ram routine that actually knocked Zach unconscious. Yes, it wasn't late, but it was a head target, albeit sneakily done. They let that go unmentioned and unpunished and now everyone is going to do it. They should retroactively highlight that that play was illegal too.
I think every team is gunning for Zach's head now, and something needs to be done.
I hate to say it, I might tell Zach to start wearing the gazoo padding. At this rate he won't last into the playoffs. If it doesn't obstruct his vision or make movement harder (added weight), I don't care how dorky he'll look at this point. Just keep him healthy.
We'd be remiss not to send some love in the direction of Buck Pierce. He had the Rider defense off balance and guessing and spread the ball around very well. Had to improvise in the second half when Zach sat out and guided us home to the victory. Great job, Buck!
Quote from: J5V on September 02, 2024, 06:56:15 PMEven Bob Irving commenting on the TSN last night ..
"Instead of praising the Bombers for a heart-stopping 35-33 win in a brutally difficult environment, the TSN panel focused on the fact Chris Streveler didn't throw any deep balls. Interesting. Just a reminder fellas, Wpg won, they've won 4 in a row."
The TSN panel has lost IQ at an alarming rate lately.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 10:46:51 PMLooks like a few fans had a few too many beers and forgot the rivalry was "friendly" and that they were at a stadium surrounded by 34k people... with cameras.
Since it's all on video now, whoever those SSK fans were are likely to be identified and if they are STHs they may be barred from future games. The WPG fans can just never show up to Regina again (after dealing with any immediate issues if they got arrested).
I have no feelings either way about Lucky's comment. I just hope he doesn't get fined.
P.S. You are legally allowed to defend yourself, and a lot will depend on who initiated physical contact. Too bad the video starts a few seconds too late.
Lucky has no business getting involved via social media on this day me and guarantee MOS will set him straight. Defend yourself?? Have you watched the video??!! The guy was throwing haymakers at anyone nearby,guilty as charged,prohibition to enter premises fully warranted, see ya boob!!
Quote from: dd on September 02, 2024, 11:52:26 PMDefend yourself?? Have you watched the video??!! The guy was throwing haymakers at anyone nearby,guilty as charged,prohibition to enter premises fully warranted, see ya boob!!
The video I saw on X cut in at a moment when stuff may have already gotten out of hand. I can't tell from the video who initiated what.
As for the "guy throwing haymakers", I saw both jersey colors going to town, so I'm not sure which one in particular you're referring to. However, it looks like the main blue guy was getting creamed under a crowd at the end. Hope he's ok.
If not for the booze haze, most Blue fans would see themselves surrounded by 33k green fans -- many of whom bale hay all day long -- and think twice before engaging in violence?
Quote from: bunker on September 02, 2024, 01:25:31 PMWade Miller agrees with you. Quote from the Free Press:
"At some point, maybe our commissioner will decide that we should protect quarterbacks after the play," Miller told the Free Press. "This is ridiculous and needs to stop. We've seen this two years in a row now."
One thing I'd like to know is what was going through the head of the ref closest to the play, and clearly watching the hit on Collaros unfold.
One of the last replays they show on the broadcast shows him standing there watching for anything happening (obviously tasked with watching the qb), reacts slightly to the hit and you can see him briefly reach back for the flag, then just stop and not do anything.
Yes it's full speed and all that. Clearly he saw something that made him briefly reach for the flag, then nothing.
So what was he honestly thinking in that moment?
Quote from: tlf on September 02, 2024, 05:13:11 PMDid anyone else see the Riders grab and pull Strevy's leg? Dirty.
The issue I have been complaining about. It was late and unnecessary. And should be penalized as UR.
As to the head hit, it looks to me like Brown led with his shoulder but aimed high, and brought his jaw down, to make the helmet to helmet contact happen. He could have moved his helmet the opposite way and avoided all contact. It deserves a fine, and a suspension. Allowing him on the field for the Banjo Bowl would be a disaster.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 03, 2024, 05:08:34 AMAs to the head hit, it looks to me like Brown led with his shoulder but aimed high, and brought his jaw down, to make the helmet to helmet contact happen. He could have moved his helmet the opposite way and avoided all contact. It deserves a fine, and a suspension. Allowing him on the field for the Banjo Bowl would be a disaster.
See the MOS post-gamer: he said Zach got hit in the chin and was taken out for precautions because of that.
Hopefully it's all just a nothingburger by next week. But hey, play up the injury until then to hopefully get more pressure for a suspension!
P.S. SSK won't care if Brown is suspended as I think they have Lanier coming back real soon now? And like someone said, Brown can appeal in order to play BB if he has to.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 03, 2024, 07:26:59 AMSee the MOS post-gamer: he said Zach got hit in the chin and was taken out for precautions because of that.
Hopefully it's all just a nothingburger by next week. But hey, play up the injury until then to hopefully get more pressure for a suspension!
P.S. SSK won't care if Brown is suspended as I think they have Lanier coming back real soon now? And like someone said, Brown can appeal in order to play BB if he has to.
Oh, I am sure the Bombers want him to play. ;-)
How about those standings this morning? ;D
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 02, 2024, 11:40:43 PMThe TSN panel has lost IQ at an alarming rate lately.
It's gotten unbelievably bad and has become nothing more than a Gong Show, with each trying to outdo each other, there's very little analytical discussion. I guess they think it's entertaining but, I can't see many football fans enjoying it.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 03, 2024, 02:31:01 PMIt's gotten unbelievably bad and has become nothing more than a Gong Show, with each trying to outdo each other, there's very little analytical discussion. I guess they think it's entertaining but, I can't see many football fans enjoying it.
Its a fine line between talking nonsense and then talking way over peoples heads football wise. The panel has gotten a bit cheezie, but I was not a fan of Lapo doing play by play.
Re: Collaros hit. Dirty shot. Likely payback for the dirty shot by Bighill on their QB at the end of our last game with them. Players remember.
Quote from: TBURGESS on September 03, 2024, 02:46:26 PMRe: Collaros hit. Dirty shot. Likely payback for the dirty shot by Bighill on their QB at the end of our last game with them. Players remember.
Bighill's "dirty" shot on Paterson was acccepted by Paterson as a legit tackle / football play that he could have avoided by not being a hotdog. He f'd around and found out.
This wasn't in any way, payback for that. It was a simple and blatant attempt to injure a concussion prone QB whose team was laying a mollywhomping on you.
3 Riders bearing down on on a QB that has already thrown the ball. If not the head hit, there was UR/RTP there as well.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 10:52:29 PMI doubt he'll be suspended. It wasn't that bad of a hit (in terms of force).
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I hate to say it, I might tell Zach to start wearing the gazoo padding.
You need to look at it again. He really leaned into the head. There was plenty of force. It was an "oops" on purpose. Obvious intent to injure and remove our QB from the field. MOS was backwards cap mad about it.
As far as the guardian cap, Zach did recently change helmets from Riddell to Schutt, which is becoming very popular in the league. Anyway, that didn't help I guess. The NFL does have a QB specific helmet (choice of 3) and I would hope he could get one of these. At least in the lab they saw better results. But, "the lab" also said chipped balls are ok to kick. I still would try it if I was him.
Quote from: Waffler on September 03, 2024, 04:05:43 PMYou need to look at it again. He really leaned into the head. There was plenty of force. It was an "oops" on purpose. Obvious intent to injure and remove our QB from the field. MOS was backwards cap mad about it.
As far as the guardian cap, Zach did recently change helmets from Riddell to Schutt, which is becoming very popular in the league. Anyway, that didn't help I guess. The NFL does have a QB specific helmet (choice of 3) and I would hope he could get one of these. At least in the lab they saw better results. But, "the lab" also said chipped balls are ok to kick. I still would try it if I was him.
The hit he took wasn't one I think a helmet change or guardian cap would have prevented. It was helmet to chin area, a very vulnerable spot.
Quote from: Waffler on September 03, 2024, 04:05:43 PMYou need to look at it again. He really leaned into the head. There was plenty of force. It was an "oops" on purpose. Obvious intent to injure and remove our QB from the field. MOS was backwards cap mad about it.
As far as the guardian cap, Zach did recently change helmets from Riddell to Schutt, which is becoming very popular in the league. Anyway, that didn't help I guess. The NFL does have a QB specific helmet (choice of 3) and I would hope he could get one of these. At least in the lab they saw better results. But, "the lab" also said chipped balls are ok to kick. I still would try it if I was him.
Brown intentionally rotated his armoured shoulder pad towards Zach immediately before contact, much like a hockey player turns his body to deliver a shoulder check to another player. Due to the size difference can't say he intended head contact, but it's clear his intention was to lay a semi-punishing blow on a QB after the ball was released. If he remained square decreased his momentum he would have bumped Zach with his chest and maybe knocked him down, but he wouldn't have drawn a penalty.
Quote from: theaardvark on September 03, 2024, 04:23:42 PMThe hit he took wasn't one I think a helmet change or guardian cap would have prevented. It was helmet to chin area, a very vulnerable spot.
Are you suggesting we need guardian chin straps?! ;D
I was completely wrong about the Oline. They were pretty good. Not great, but better than I was expecting.
I don't see it as a hit on the chin. It was helmet to helmet, you can clearly see Zach's head snapping backwards. Note the difference in head position. Also note that Sask player is leaning into him to make sure he got the head but trying not to make it obvious. He used the side of his helmet, not the crown.
Quote from: Waffler on September 03, 2024, 04:05:43 PMYou need to look at it again. He really leaned into the head. There was plenty of force. It was an "oops" on purpose. Obvious intent to injure and remove our QB from the field. MOS was backwards cap mad about it.
But this is almost the same thing as the game a few weeks ago where Zach was unconscious. The player then hid by using his hands to look like he was pushing instead of H2H, but it was still H2H, and like this one it was more a twisting motion of Zach's head that is doing the damage.
Not only was there no flag on the last one, but also no fine mid-week. Everyone just acted like it didn't happen. Many here still believe Zach was faking being out.
League is setting bad precedent by not heavily analyzing and penalizing all of these!
Zach would probably do much better with direct H2H head on where his head snaps straight back than all of these side/twisting motions. The rotation motions are really bad in terms of brain movement within the skull. His ability to withstand these things is starting to reach Ricky Ray territory. We have to keep him clean!
Quote from: theaardvark on September 03, 2024, 03:29:19 PM3 Riders bearing down on on a QB that has already thrown the ball. If not the head hit, there was UR/RTP there as well.
This one got flagged (and probably will be fined) mostly for it being
late. I don't think the league is analyzing the twisting motion Zach's head is taking on these. I don't think the league is taking the non-"point of first contact" headshots seriously.
The one the other week wasn't late, and no penalty, no fine.
There are rules protecting the QBs head in every situation, but the league doesn't seem to care much. It's like their stance is "get a QB who's brain hasn't been turned to mush by hits (yet)".
Rewatched the Zach hit and it's worse than I first thought. Caught all the frames (there's a lot this time) and watched the helmet movement. Definitely a "lead with the helmet" hit, even if the shoulder touched around the same time, the main force impacted his head first. I swear it's a near carbon copy of the knock-out hit where Ds are trying to act like they are leading with a hand or arm, but it's just an obfuscation ploy to get away with the H2H hit.
It's another side-to-side and slight twist motion, which are worse than the head-on H2H hits.
I'm not sure where MOS gets the "jaw" stuff from. Maybe you could say Zach got hit in the facemask, but he had his chin ducked on the initial impact.
It may not look like much but the impact here is probably like 10G instantaneous. And being hit from all these different, funny angles isn't helping him over time.
I will now not be surprised to see Zach sit the BB. WFC is always very "precautionary", and this week should be no different. The past has shown us bell-run Zachs get benched.
The league should install those blow-out / unpowered G meters (or even fancy electronics, if they are light/small enough) on QB helmets and when QBs are hit take a look at the Gs. Start instituting penalties and fines based on Gs imparted.
You would be shocked at the force that is happening here.
Not sure if that has been mentioned, but the short kick that was recovered by SSK, that was Gauthier's guy (Bighill).
Quote from: peg_city on September 04, 2024, 04:07:32 PMNot sure if that has been mentioned, but the short kick that was recovered by SSK, that was Gauthier's guy (Bighill).
On the coaches show he mentioned that Willie didn't jump and our guy (Gauthier, but not named by MOS) missed his block, so it was 2 things done wrong and result was losing the ball.
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2024, 04:29:51 PMOn the coaches show he mentioned that Willie didn't jump and our guy (Gauthier, but not named by MOS) missed his block, so it was 2 things done wrong and result was losing the ball.
There were some opportunities to run the game clock down a little more. I remember Sheahan punting with about 13 seconds left on the clock when we were trying to kill the clock.
That was poor time management by player and coaches. You only need to mess that up a couple of times late in a game to cause other problems.
We were lucky that we escaped with the win.
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2024, 04:29:51 PMOn the coaches show he mentioned that Willie didn't jump and our guy (Gauthier, but not named by MOS) missed his block, so it was 2 things done wrong and result was losing the ball.
Giving up the ball at a critical time was the biggest error of the day, it can't happen again this season.
Yes, Gauthier missing his block was a very big part of that play.
Quote from: Pigskin on September 04, 2024, 07:56:17 PMYes, Gauthier missing his block was a very big part of that play.
What MOS says is that they had a guy assigned to block Milligan but he was bumped off target on his way over to do so. Also that Willie knows he is supposed to jump and that he used to be a receiver at one time.
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2024, 08:26:23 PMWhat MOS says is that they had a guy assigned to block Milligan but he was bumped off target on his way over to do so. Also that Willie knows he is supposed to jump and that he used to be a receiver at one time.
Remember the play that ended Mo Leggett's career??? Willy probably does.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 04, 2024, 09:02:18 PMRemember the play that ended Mo Leggett's career??? Willy probably does.
What a great Bomber he was. I really hoped he could come back from that achilles injury but alas, achilles injuries are often career enders. So hard to get a good flow of blood to tendons like that. Real shame.
Demski on the Bomber Fans (https://twitter.com/i/status/1831439106133651656)
Quote from: Waffler on September 04, 2024, 08:26:23 PMWhat MOS says is that they had a guy assigned to block Milligan but he was bumped off target on his way over to do so. Also that Willie knows he is supposed to jump and that he used to be a receiver at one time.
The thing is if you do the math, shouldn't Willie's height + arm length be higher than Milligan's height + arm + highest vertical? Someone run the math.
And it wasn't so much that Willie wasn't going to touch it first as Milligan pushed Willie out of the way because he was coming in with speed. If Willie jumps there, he likely is in even worse position because Milligan hitting a launched Willie would just fling Willie out of the way.
If we had a couple of guys orbiting Willie, we probably would have been ok, as it's easier to recover the ball while facing it. Remember, Milligan didn't get it, he just got it down on the turf.
I would hope we use some practice time this week to practice all of this. We can't allow teams to think this is a 50/50 ball when it should be 10/90.
Just stating the obvious but...
- We started the season with a dismal record,
- We have improved dramatically in the standings, for various reasons,
- We have found a way to overcome mistakes and still come up with wins,
- We are in 1st place and control our destiny.
- Key players seem to be on the verge of returning to the lineup.
What our future holds nobody knows but the trajectory looks positive.