Is Parker ever coming back this season? I was under the impression it wasn't a season-ender, whatever it was. Now we're running out of season...
If he does come back, does he get a spot? The current DBs are doing so well, might he lose his spot until an injury? I guess Bonds would be the most likely to lose his spot to a returning Parker? Bonds isn't flashy, but he seems to be holding his own and not losing us games.
The last thing I remember about Parker is on that last MTL drive in the GC (maybe on that 3rd & 3 play?) he was completely turned around and lost giving up a critical reception. The whole D was messed up on that drive, except maybe Houston who almost batted down that TD...
Not much talk about Parker but he is in town rehabbing.
This is from Derek Taylor a couple of days ago:
During push-ups observers Dalton Schoen and Jamal Parker both testing their knees with some squats.
What could have been...
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 31, 2024, 06:52:20 AMDuring push-ups observers Dalton Schoen and Jamal Parker both testing their knees with some squats.
What could have been...
That's a timely comment from DT! Thanks for sharing.
Was Parker's thing a knee issue? ACL? I guess if it's anything like Schoen's issue, we won't see either until the new year.
I don't think Parker would regain his spot in the secondary unless there was an injury. All the DB's are playing too well.
EDIT: Even if he's capable of returning there is no current need to rush his return. He's potentially a free agent going into 2025. He isn't a big SMS salary player but his actual ability to return is not really known.
I don't think Parker's back this season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 31, 2024, 05:31:19 AMIs Parker ever coming back this season? I was under the impression it wasn't a season-ender, whatever it was. Now we're running out of season...
If he does come back, does he get a spot? The current DBs are doing so well, might he lose his spot until an injury? I guess Bonds would be the most likely to lose his spot to a returning Parker? Bonds isn't flashy, but he seems to be holding his own and not losing us games.
The last thing I remember about Parker is on that last MTL drive in the GC (maybe on that 3rd & 3 play?) he was completely turned around and lost giving up a critical reception. The whole D was messed up on that drive, except maybe Houston who almost batted down that TD...
If Parker makes that play the Bombers win the Grey Cup. I am not blaming the whole game on Parker but he contributed to the loss.
Quote from: bwiser on August 31, 2024, 02:39:10 PMIf Parker makes that play the Bombers win the Grey Cup. I am not blaming the whole game on Parker but he contributed to the loss.
I think that was Houston.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 01:50:45 PMI don't think Parker would regain his spot in the secondary unless there was an injury. All the DB's are playing too well.
EDIT: Even if he's capable of returning there is no current need to rush his return. He's potentially a free agent going into 2025. He isn't a big SMS salary player but his actual ability to return is not really known.
Have to keep Parker around for next year, he's a good player, he'll still be relatively cheap and can fill in for whoever they might lose in the off-season, most likely candidates Ford or Holm.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 31, 2024, 03:35:30 PMHave to keep Parker around for next year, he's a good player, he'll still be relatively cheap and can fill in for whoever they might lose in the off-season, most likely candidates Ford or Holms.
I'm all in favour of seeing him return in 2025. We can't predict whether we lose a DB in free agency of whether we have injuries in TC.
As you suggested his SMS hit shouldn't be that much, but he may choose to explore free agency. That's beyond our control.
Watching Parker and Schoen in practice this week. They are both awhile away from returning. They were both climbing stairs, but at a very slow rate. When and if they start running in the end zone, that's when we can start to get excited about a return.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 31, 2024, 06:15:57 PMWatching parker and Schoen in practice this week. They are both awhile away from returning. They were both climbing stairs, but at a very slow rate. When and if they start running in the end zone, that's when we can start to get excited about a return.
Yeah, it doesn't appear either will be back in 2023. That's unfortunate for both players trying to re-hab.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 02:41:51 PMI think that was Houston.
I just double-checked and it was indeed Parker on Spieker and it was 3rd & 5 with 33s on the clock. Make that stop and we win the game. Parker bit on the short feint and was out of position to stop the mid jump ball.
Houston was the final TD.
Definitely the loss isn't all on Parker: the whole team took turns screwing up, on both sides. I'd say the only "great" player that night was Castillo.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 01:50:45 PMEDIT: Even if he's capable of returning there is no current need to rush his return. He's potentially a free agent going into 2025. He isn't a big SMS salary player but his actual ability to return is not really known.
Keep in mind that after Nichols, Parker was the #2 vet DB. Whatever Nichols was $getting$, Parker couldn't have been far behind.
The loss of Houston moved Parker up. Holm was still on ELC (I believe).
I think Parker, if in 2023 form immediately, beats out Bonds. However, you don't always want to mess with a clicking corps...
Based on past years I think it's 50/50 Parker would instantly draw back in if healthy. Our DB corps is probably the most flexible and fluid roster-wise and we are never hesitant to field best-available-player. It seems to be very plug & play.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 31, 2024, 06:15:57 PMWatching Parker and Schoen in practice this week. They are both awhile away from returning. They were both climbing stairs, but at a very slow rate. When and if they start running in the end zone, that's when we can start to get excited about a return.
Knees are like that. You can feel like you can do everything, but push it too hard too soon and "SNAP", "doh".
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 12:12:21 AMKnees are like that. You can feel like you can do everything, but push it too hard too soon and "SNAP", "doh".
Don't mean to be a downer but knee injuries can be career ending. Most of the athletes I've known, some personally, in this group were goalies but I imagine it applies to football players too. I remember Arceneaux for BC blowing out his knee and he was never the same. I never get my hopes up too high.
Quote from: J5V on September 01, 2024, 01:03:56 AMDon't mean to be a downer but knee injuries can be career ending.
Ya, but on the other side many R's have year 2 or 3 knee/achilles injuries and return to have massive careers. Probably more than the ones that are ruined(?).
Bit of luck involved. Cross your fingers for Schoen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 12:10:48 AMKeep in mind that after Nichols, Parker was the #2 vet DB. Whatever Nichols was $getting$, Parker couldn't have been far behind.
The loss of Houston moved Parker up. Holm was still on ELC (I believe).
I think Parker, if in 2023 form immediately, beats out Bonds. However, you don't always want to mess with a clicking corps...
Based on past years I think it's 50/50 Parker would instantly draw back in if healthy. Our DB corps is probably the most flexible and fluid roster-wise and we are never hesitant to field best-available-player. It seems to be very plug & play.
Parker hasn't played long enough to ask for much above DB base nor likely to receive offers from other teams in FA. None of these DB's will ever get cut, they'll all play on the merry-go-round until one falls off and gets hurt, the next man up steps into his place and takes over while he's in recovery.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 01, 2024, 02:33:25 AMParker hasn't played long enough to ask for much above base or receive offers from other teams in FA. None of these DB's will ever get cut, they'll all play on the merry-go-round until one falls off and the next man up steps into his place while he's in recovery.
But with 2 full seasons (22 and 23) with us under his belt, he was the next-most-vettiest DB we had (after Nichols, and excluding FS) and definitely earned a bump on his first non-ELC contract.
Parker was 100% shoe-in to start for us in week 1 if not for injury.
We really got lucky Ford got up to speed by week 4ish and the rookies Bonds/Bridges have both looked like possible keepers. Unlike OL, our DB situation is very strong with a bright future.
Yup knee injuries are carer Enders.
I have known too many guys who don't come back from them , regarding their professional careers. Yes non professional abilities and functionality do come back....just not to a pro athlete level, regarding the ability to run at that level.
Good luck! Shoen appeared to be out of shape before he got injured again?. I don't think he is coming back. Loved him though.
Schoen was definitely NOT out of shape.
Quote from: ModAdmin on September 01, 2024, 04:31:47 PMSchoen was definitely NOT out of shape.
Yes, I agree. And since his knee injury Dalton has put on some upper body muscle.
I expect Parker to be back next year, sign at a reasonable price and should be a reliable player for us.
Quote from: DM83 on September 01, 2024, 12:23:26 PMYup knee injuries are carer Enders.
I have known too many guys who don't come back from them , regarding their professional careers. Yes non professional abilities and functionality do come back....just not to a pro athlete level, regarding the ability to run at that level.
Good luck! Shoen appeared to be out of shape before he got injured again?. I don't think he is coming back. Loved him though.
If you had to put a number on it, would you say 50% don't come back? 75% don't come back? From my memory of CFL players that were good enough for me to notice, it would seem a good number do come back. However, maybe they tail off after 1-2 more seasons and disappear?
Name some recent WPG players with ACL that did and/or didn't come back... let's do a case study.
Is Schoen on just a 1 year or did we get him on 2 year with that big payday signing in FA24?
If he's on 2 year, any guaranteed $$? If he can't get back into form, does this cost us above and beyond losing an allstar player?
My hunch is he'll be back and better than ever. He's a super young'n.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 02, 2024, 07:39:10 AMIs Schoen on just a 1 year or did we get him on 2 year with that big payday signing in FA24?
If he's on 2 year, any guaranteed $$? If he can't get back into form, does this cost us above and beyond losing an allstar player?
My hunch is he'll be back and better than ever. He's a super young'n.
Just a one year.
Have to renegotiate with him and Kenny.
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 02:28:26 PMJust a one year.
Have to renegotiate with him and Kenny.
Sign Kenny, let Dalton walk. He's a good player but we are spending too much at receiver.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 02:33:55 PMSign Kenny, let Dalton walk. He's a good player but we are spending too much at receiver.
I think it might be the other way around. Schoen gets more targets / receptions and is a key 2nd down conversion receiver.
Lawler is the big strike and 50/50 ball guy. Wilson might be the one taking on that role in 2025 if we are unable to afford both.
Key question is will Schoen be available to start the season after his re-hab?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 01, 2024, 02:43:41 AMBut with 2 full seasons (22 and 23) with us under his belt, he was the next-most-vettiest DB we had (after Nichols, and excluding FS) and definitely earned a bump on his first non-ELC contract.
Parker was 100% shoe-in to start for us in week 1 if not for injury.
We really got lucky Ford got up to speed by week 4ish and the rookies Bonds/Bridges have both looked like possible keepers. Unlike OL, our DB situation is very strong with a bright future.
A bump for a DB is like $10-20k, the secondary as a whole is a low budget congregation. Nichols is their top earner at $140k, BA comes in around $125k.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 02, 2024, 04:26:49 PMI think it might be the other way around. Schoen gets more targets / receptions and is a key 2nd down conversion receiver.
Lawler is the big strike and 50/50 ball guy. Wilson might be the one taking on that role in 2025 if we are unable to afford both.
Key question is will Schoen be available to start the season after his re-hab?
Schoen's skill set is more easily replaceable. Kenny Lawler remains a true 50-50 ball guy and draws a lot of under over.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 05:32:19 PMSchoen's skill set is more easily replaceable. Kenny Lawler remains a true 50-50 ball guy and draws a lot of under over.
I see your point but disagree that Schoen's skill set is more easily replaceable. We got Lawler back but our offence has still struggled without that replacement of Schoen's toughness on 2nd down in particular.
26 TD's in his 1st 2 seasons. O. Wilson has 2 TD's so far.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on September 02, 2024, 02:33:55 PMSign Kenny, let Dalton walk. He's a good player but we are spending too much at receiver.
If it came down to it, I'd probably keep Schoen. But I can see both guys taking a haircut next year. They haven't exactly earned their pay checked this year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 31, 2024, 02:41:51 PMI think that was Houston.
Houston gave up the winning touchdown. Parker gave up the first down that would have won the Bombers the Grey Cup
Quote from: Jesse on September 02, 2024, 10:50:02 PMIf it came down to it, I'd probably keep Schoen. But I can see both guys taking a haircut next year. They haven't exactly earned their pay checked this year.
Schoen got to where he is via his work ethic and intelligence, Lawler got there on his raw talent.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 05, 2024, 03:04:23 PMSchoen got to where he is via his work ethic and intelligence, Lawler got there on his raw talent.
Well, I feel that's completely made up in your head.
I'd pick Schoen simply because Lawler has never been available over a whole season.
Of course, DS's injury this year makes in a difficult job for Walters. A lot of unknowns.
Both are exceptional and need to remain Bombers for life imo.
Quote from: Jesse on September 05, 2024, 03:59:24 PMWell, I feel that's completely made up in your head.
I'd pick Schoen simply because Lawler has never been available over a whole season.
Of course, DS's injury this year makes in a difficult job for Walters. A lot of unknowns.
I thought it was pretty obvious, Dalton isn't that fast and he doesn't make circus catches. His skill set lies in knowing the playbook inside out and backwards and putting out max effort by going 100% on every route, which DB's are not used to and don't expect. Watch him closely and that's exactly what you'll see.
Quote from: bwiser on September 05, 2024, 02:21:12 PMHouston gave up the winning touchdown. Parker gave up the first down that would have won the Bombers the Grey Cup
Can't fault Houston for that one. Perfect throw to a diving Philpot just beyond the reach of (in front!) Houston's fingers. That's basically impossible to defend and it's amazing Houston even got that close to stopping it.
I've always wondered if they called a diving catch on purpose or if Philpot just did what needed to be done at the moment... If he kept running instead (say the ball was thrown a little more left) I bet Houston dives and bats it down.
Yes, the Parker 3rd down was the one that could have / should have been defended. But we were confused because who calls a 15Y out on a 3rd & 3 to win a GC?? Parker was all out of sorts on that play. He was still in front, so if he had any sense of where that ball was going he could have high-pointed it and knocked it down. And we still had to honor the Stanback explosion run at that point. Great plan + good execution meant our doom.