Taylor Shire @Taylor_Shire
RB A.J. Ouellette (hip) won't play Thursday as #Riders visit #Argos. Frankie Hickson is expected to start.
At WR, Mitch Picton is out for a few weeks with an ankle injury. Kian Schaffer-Baker (shoulder) has a chance to return this week. Same with Ajou Ajou (finger).
Defensively, cornerback Amari Henderson (shoulder) won't play. Deontai Williams will draw back in.
LB C.J. Avery and DL Habakkuk Baldonado also available to play this week after sitting out last week.
Justin Dunk @JDunk12
Argos' head coach Ryan Dinwiddie declares Chad Kelly his starting QB for Thursday's game against the Riders.
Wow - Oulette is basically glass for a jacked dude. He just can't stay healthy
Quote from: The Zipp on August 20, 2024, 09:31:57 PMWow - Oulette is basically glass for a jacked dude. He just can't stay healthy
He's too jacked. Probably started heavy training as a pre-teen and he's just busted already.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 20, 2024, 09:31:57 PMWow - Oulette is basically glass for a jacked dude. He just can't stay healthy
He plays an aggressive way and that takes its toll on the body, it does for all of them. Remember earl campbell, Christian okoye-the Nigerian nightmare!!, etc smashing the crap out of guys and how long did they last. Oulette is not that fast nor that big, he's done though, won't be here 2 years from now
Quote from: Jesse on August 20, 2024, 09:39:01 PMHe's too jacked. Probably started heavy training as a pre-teen and he's just busted already.
He has always been big since in this league. The blows are just catching up with him. Seems to be a bust signing for the Riders.
Should be intriguing to see how Chadley performs upon his rehab return.
Pressure is on him to perform or he'll be gone quickly.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 20, 2024, 09:01:10 PMRB A.J. Ouellette (hip) won't play Thursday as #Riders visit #Argos. Frankie Hickson is expected to start.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 20, 2024, 09:31:57 PMWow - Oulette is basically glass for a jacked dude. He just can't stay healthy
Ya, mullet guy needs to hide his injuries and just say everything is peachy keen or he isn't going to get a big payday next season.
Riderland has been frustrated and disappointed with him since week 2. They look at all that money spent and see little return. The Thor hype going into week 1 was over the top! Gonna be lots of hammers on blowout at Rider store come season end.
Hickson has had a super-breakout game already. Mullet, not so much.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2024, 10:07:40 PMShould be intriguing to see how Chadley performs upon his rehab return.
Pressure is on him to perform or he'll be gone quickly.
Let's pray he does way better than Rourke's 1st outing!! He should... in the room (in one way or another) all season, knows the book, worked with lots of the O last year, etc.
We NEED him to clobber Ridernation. He needs to be reg season 2023 Kelly, not EDF Kelly.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 20, 2024, 09:31:57 PMWow - Oulette is basically glass for a jacked dude. He just can't stay healthy
We've seen this before. I think a lot of jacked guys are fragile. Especially if the bulk of the mass is not natural. He doesn't strike me as a particularly gifted athlete. Just a jacked one.
Quote from: J5V on August 20, 2024, 10:31:58 PMWe've seen this before. I think a lot of jacked guys are fragile. Especially if the bulk of the mass is not natural. He doesn't strike me as a particularly gifted athlete. Just a jacked one.
No question he is or was gifted. He was a force with TO but the tread is worn out.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 20, 2024, 10:21:22 PMLet's pray he does way better than Rourke's 1st outing!! He should... in the room (in one way or another) all season, knows the book, worked with lots of the O last year, etc.
We NEED him to clobber Ridernation. He needs to be reg season 2023 Kelly, not EDF Kelly.
His timing will be off a bit, so he won't be 2023 Kelly but he'll be tons better than anything that's been under centre this year for the Argos. Not sure they clobber the Riders, but they'll beat them at home.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 20, 2024, 09:31:57 PMWow - Oulette is basically glass for a jacked dude. He just can't stay healthy
Sounds like Jesse Lumsden
Quote from: dd on August 20, 2024, 10:01:54 PMHe plays an aggressive way and that takes its toll on the body, it does for all of them. Remember earl campbell, Christian okoye-the Nigerian nightmare!!, etc smashing the crap out of guys and how long did they last. Oulette is not that fast nor that big, he's done though, won't be here 2 years from now
It must have been hard for Harris to backup Thor last season when he knew he had more talent in his little pinky than Oullette had in his entire body. He did well establishing himself considering he was a 3rd rate RB talent wise.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 20, 2024, 10:48:48 PMNo question he is or was gifted. He was a force with TO but the tread is worn out.
But was it Oullette or that crazy good 2022-2023 TOR OL?
He wasn't even that good.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 20, 2024, 09:03:27 PMJustin Dunk @JDunk12
Argos' head coach Ryan Dinwiddie declares Chad Kelly his starting QB for Thursday's game against the Riders.
Really looking forward to this game now.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 21, 2024, 05:32:07 AMBut was it Oullette or that crazy good 2022-2023 TOR OL?
both.
Quote from: peg_city on August 21, 2024, 01:18:28 PMReally looking forward to this game now.
here here. I am sure most want him to fall flat on his face. I sure do but with an Argo win.
So, Dinwiddie watch the Bombers obliterate Rourke in his first game back on short practices, and decides his best bet it to trot out Kelly?
Good luck with that.
Milligan is going to eat Kelly's lunch and then burp.
Ya, Kelly will be rusty and his timing will be off, but he still gives them a better chance at winning than the other 2 Qbs they got. That said, the Riders D will eat him alive and the rest of Canada will thoroughly enjoy it!!
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Official: Chad Kelly makes season debut for Toronto Argonauts vs. Saskatchewan Roughriders
By 3Down Staff -August 21, 2024
Chad Kelly makes his 2024 season debut for the Toronto Argonauts as the Double Blue host the West Division-leading Saskatchewan Roughriders.
Kelly was suspended for the first nine games of the 2024 campaign for violating the CFL's gender-based violence policy and returns to BMO Field Thursday night.
The last time the 2023 Most Outstanding Player was on the field — last year's East Division final, where the 30-year-old completed 21-of-36 passes for 246 yards with one touchdown and four interceptions in a loss to Montreal. The Alouettes went on to win the Grey Cup.
Also back in the Argos' lineup is strong-side linebacker Quincy Mauger. The 29-year-old defender returns after he suffered a leg injury in Toronto's June 28 loss to the Als. The first-year Argo has collected eight defensive tackles and two special teams tackles across three games this season.
While second-year man Mason Pierce draws out of the lineup, Mark Milton takes his place at boundary halfback.
Toronto signed the 24-year-old Milton on July 1 after he was released by the Hamilton Tiger-Cats after making one start at boundary cornerback, his CFL debut. The six-foot-one, 185-pound Baylor University product signed with the Carolina Panthers after going unselected in the 2023 NFL Draft but didn't make the team's final roster.
Canadian running back Daniel Adeboboye is listed as a game-time decision dealing with groin and ankle injuries.
Starters Wynton McManis, Darius Ciraco, Jared Brinkman, and Dejon Brissett all remain on the six-game injured list.
https://3downnation.com/2024/08/21/official-chad-kelly-makes-season-debut-for-toronto-argonauts-vs-saskatchewan-roughriders/
Official: Kian Schaffer-Baker returns for Saskatchewan Roughriders vs. Toronto Argonauts
By 3Down Staff -August 21, 2024
Canadian receiver Kian Schaffer-Baker returns to the Saskatchewan Roughriders lineup for the team's Week 12 matchup against the Toronto Argonauts.
The 26-year-old will be active for the first time since suffering a shoulder injury in the second quarter of the Riders' Week 7 matchup against the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. The Mississauga, Ont. native has made 25 catches for 352 yards and two touchdowns in six games this season.
Canadian rookie Ajou Ajou will also be in the lineup after missing last week with a finger injury, while Mitch Picton hits the six-game injured list due to an ankle injury.
Newly signed American offensive lineman Trevon Tate will start at right tackle in his debut for Saskatchewan, kicking Logan Ferland back into guard with Nick Jones coming out of the squad.
Defensive back Deontai Williams will start at boundary corner this week with Amari Henderson out with a shoulder injury.
Also ruled out is starting running back A.J. Ouellette who was placed on the six-game injured list. It would have been the two-time East Division all-star's return to BMO Field after leaving the Argos this off-season, but a hip injury will prevent that from happening. The 27-year-old returned from a three-game absence due to the same injury last week against the Montreal Alouettes.
Taking his place will be American running back Frankie Hickson who started in all three games Ouellette missed earlier this season. The 27-year-old has 41 carries for 235 yards with one touchdown while he has averaged 5.7 yards per carry during four games this season.
Linebackers American C.J. Avery and Canadian rookie Melique Straker will draw back in on the weak side, while Global defensive end Habakkuk Baldonado also returns.
The Riders (5-4-1) visit the Toronto Argonauts (5-4) with kickoff slated for 7:30 p.m. EDT on Thursday, August 22.
https://3downnation.com/2024/08/21/official-kian-schaffer-baker-returns-for-saskatchewan-roughriders-vs-toronto-argonauts/
That's a lot of changes to the roster on both teams. I do predict a Rider loss.
Oulette on the 6 game...
Quote from: The Zipp on August 21, 2024, 11:35:21 PMOulette on the 6 game...
He should have listened more when AH33 was giving him lessons in TOR on how to not get hurt. AH33 was the master of staying healthy (in BC and WPG) until the end. Oullette just tries to smash through everything with no thought about anything, and is paying for it.
Hickson in Oulette out, Baker and Ajou in Picton out, those are all upgrades for the Riders lineup. I think Kelly comes out rusty and struggles moving the ball. Riders win 25-18
"The last time the 2023 Most Outstanding Player was on the field — last year's East Division final, where the 30-year-old completed 21-of-36 passes for 246 yards with one touchdown and four interceptions in a loss to Montreal."
I think he might be a bit overrated.
Quote from: dd on August 22, 2024, 12:21:55 AMHickson in Oulette out, Baker and Ajou in Picton out, those are all upgrades for the Riders lineup. I think Kelly comes out rusty and struggles moving the ball. Riders win 25-18
I don't know, Trevor was out like 6-8 games and he looked A1 sharp as a tack the instant he returned. If you're in the room the whole time and have '23 experience with the team, I don't see a Rourke-like problem.
I hope Kelly comes out and wins every game, except when they roll into here... (and the GC). Need them to beat every W team including SSK, and beat up on MTL to soften them up for a potential GC with us.
I am expecting a rider win - Toronto has a very good defence and Grant is a game changer but Harris looked really good in his return and Chad will have his hands full with timing and game speed.
Hoping for a different outcome but Sask is also feeling the heat in the standings - they will be hungry.
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/22/cfl-ca-game-notes-janarion-grant-on-historic-pace/
I miss him. :-[
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 22, 2024, 01:57:11 PMhttps://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/22/cfl-ca-game-notes-janarion-grant-on-historic-pace/
I miss him. :-[
So much.
Go DB Kelly! Go Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgooooooooos! Cream those Greenies! Just keep the cheerleaders on the other side of the field from Kelly!
Every week the East win most games is basically a +2 for us.
Might be more sask fans than Argo fans at this game
Dinwiddie has aged 10 years this season
Quote from: The Zipp on August 22, 2024, 11:34:58 PMDinwiddie has aged 10 years this season
He was looking haggard last season too.
But today he looks like a ghost! Like he has some major illness. And he was hobbling around all stiff. Go get some rest Dinwiddie!
Looked like Lauthers kick was going out of bounds
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 22, 2024, 11:39:39 PMHe was looking haggard last season too.
But today he looks like a ghost! Like he has some major illness. And he was hobbling around all stiff. Go get some rest Dinwiddie!
I am sure this Kelly thing has stressed him out but you are right he looks like death warmed over
Good punt for lirim.
Trevor always looks very good when he's not injured. Though he does tend to blow "bad Trevor" games once in a while.
He makes the SSK substandard Rs look very good indeed. He basically puts it in their numbers every throw.
Go Lauther!!! MISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Edit: Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Shucks
with harris you need to throw him off his game early, can't let him sit in that pocket. If he gets hit he tends to be less effective after
Quote from: Pete on August 22, 2024, 11:53:36 PMwith harris you need to throw him off his game early, can't let him sit in that pocket. If he gets hit he tends to be less effective after
Ya... the old adage was: sack him early and Bad Harris will show up, right?
Timing is off for sure for ol Chad ..
Quote from: The Zipp on August 22, 2024, 11:58:21 PMTiming is off for sure for ol Chad ..
Accuracy too. And maybe even reads... ugh, he better snap out of it and dial it in or a) my pick will suck and b) Riders will +2. Both things are baaaaad
Frankie > AJ
hope Oullette gets healthy for when we play them
Since when did Metchie (METCH-ee) become Metchier(french) (METCH-ee-ay)??
Couple of weeks ago booth started saying that and it's irksome. I'm pretty sure Metchie doesn't say it that way, and if he did, put an accent on that e!!
Quote from: Pete on August 23, 2024, 12:01:08 AMhope Oullette gets healthy for when we play them
Haha, ya.
But Hickson is a speed guy, not a power guy. I think we can handle speed guys better than power guys... though the risk of explosion is higher.
Argos D protesting the playing of Chad?
Harris looking on fire
have seen Hickson break more tackles than Oullette by far
Quote from: Pete on August 23, 2024, 12:04:00 AMhave seen Hickson break more tackles than Oullette by far
Ya, but by shiftiness/speed/armtackles, not by being a massive beefy hard to stop guy. I do think Hickson is the better back, though. AJO will likely not dress in green next year.
Tuck the locks Grant!
why doesnt Grant tuck his hair into the jersey?
Double handed the hair...wasn't unintentional
Getting tough to watch this Argo team
Wow, TOR is starting to implode. This may get out of hand if they go 2 & out here.
Trevor will dissect them until they start to get to him.
Looked like a poor spot...of course no replay
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 12:05:57 AMYa, but by shiftiness/speed/armtackles, not by being a massive beefy hard to stop guy. I do think Hickson is the better back, though. AJO will likely not dress in green next year.
Sask willouette ouelette go next season
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 12:08:38 AMLooked like a poor spot...of course no replay
I checked, spot was good if you assume he didn't have full control until he got it into his stomach. If you think his hands got it on first catch then the spot was bad. In realtime you can't tell either way. My hunch is he needed to gut it, so the spot is good.
D guy was touching him basically right away so that has no impact.
Hospital ball by Chad
Head shot
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 12:14:56 AMHospital ball by Chad
receivers going to be asking for Dukes.
sask dline is very good
Can TOR really suck this bad? They've had most of this lineup for the 9 games and now they get their '23 MOP back and they suck even worse?
What is wrong with this team? And let's hope it is this team, and not that SSK is just that good... or next 2 weeks are going to be painful.
it looks like the argos have 0 intensity, so much spotlight on Kelly they forgot to prepare for a game
SSK went for zero 3rd downs last week.
This week they are going for all of them, with Patterson. And every time Patterson has gone to the C-gap or edge. TOR needs to key on that.
Doesn't TOR seem to always lose the CNE game? Fill the stadium with free tickets and then lay an egg so no one ever comes back. Makes sense!
Oooh Trevor took a hit... Can we have Bad Harris now?
good view of sask holding argo d lineman.
with trevors injury history he can get gun shy if you get to him early
Duck duck goose
We got a ball game folks
Nice interception.
Argoooooooos
argos made the adjustment to play press and not give up the out, paid off
argos can not move,the ball at all....
maybe not the best call at that spot on the field.
It's the Roland Milligan love in...
Glen can't help himself
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 12:38:23 AMIt's the Roland Milligan love in...
Glen can't help himself
had to find a replacement for Schaffer baker.
Milk man Milligan got caught on the PI.
SAD Glenn
Cooooommmmand Centre. (Not aaaaargooos)
Clear and obvious to me that the one elbow was down.
Choke
Not in by Dukes
Chad would have got it - he has no fear
Harris in full waterfowl mode
Crazy camera angle. Kind of liked it
Harris not so hot anymore
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 12:46:58 AMNot in by Dukes
Chad would have got it - he has no fear
Nah fear doesn't have anything to do with it
Duke was right choice and is good at that
D played good that is all, O didn't execute
You don't risk injury to your star
Laser by Chad
C'mon Harris, how hard is it to hand the ball off twice and kill the half?? Let's throw another pick!! I just do't understand the play call.
Kelly throws a nice ball and Coxie is sick
some foolish decisions on O by sask last few minutes.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 23, 2024, 12:50:03 AMKelly throws a nice ball and Coxie is sick
Incomplete - wow.
That other angle was clear
Dinwiddie -??? Looking for PI
Just in reference to earlier comments, I think Dinwiddie is wearing serious sun protection cream on his face, which is why he looks like a ghost.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 23, 2024, 12:54:25 AMJust in reference to earlier comments, I think Dinwiddie is wearing serious sun protection cream on his face, which is why he looks like a ghost.
You might be right...or there is some weird lighting going on.
Harris throwing up more ducks than duck hunt
Lauther not looking like he's shaken the yips yet. Hopefully the yips are in full force next week.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 12:56:54 AMYou might be right...or there is some weird lighting going on.
Pretty sure that's what's happening. If you look at his face compared to neck, he's clearly got a lot of cover.
Chad likes that fake throw
Chad makes some nice throws on the run
Shotgun ??
Wow. These guys - play calling ??
Geez the blue guys doing dumb things
Second half is usually when Riders collapse.
Nice should get a 3 now
Jealous of the sask punter
current smartest guy cfl play... need one yard, hand off to a player four yards away from the line.
bombers are doing the same thing.
Chad has a rocket arm - forgot he had that
Need to zip it
Pi but Dinwiddie had no challenge
Too much zip lol
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 23, 2024, 01:43:37 AMNeed to zip it
Maybe he didn't have the laces or it just slipped out after the flick back
3 point game...honestly argos should be up by 2 scores
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 01:45:53 AMMaybe he didn't have the laces or it just slipped out after the flick back
Looked wide open, d closed gap
Harris one hit away from season ending
Grant super beast
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 23, 2024, 12:54:25 AMJust in reference to earlier comments, I think Dinwiddie is wearing serious sun protection cream on his face, which is why he looks like a ghost.
I hope so! Otherwise he looks as pasty as someone in Louis XIV's court! If it is because he's sick, he's near death!
Holy crow - I think you take the points
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 12:46:58 AMNot in by Dukes
Chad would have got it - he has no fear
No fear lost
I can't believe TO can't get 1 yard lol
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 23, 2024, 01:55:55 AMNo fear lost
Yup. Stupid play call but my goodness take the points
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 01:56:45 AMYup. Stupid play call but my goodness take the points
Crazy Riders D good when it counts
89 rusty
Sask offence is hot garb
I want that 3 darn it
Just don't get to goal line lol
Magic man grant.
Grant one of best
I'm almost hoping they don't get close to the end zone again!
Lol can't get 1
Tie game !!
OT?
Brought the heat on Harris
Don't get hit much harder
I smell OT
Come on Chad. Don't choke now
Come on JG. Do us a favor here
Kelly airball
Terrible throw by Harris
I would run the ball here once
Terrible throw Kelly
Kelly had guys on the short routes
Wow TO killing themselves today
I would kick here
He likes the home run ball. Great conversion
Wow TO killing themselves today
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 23, 2024, 02:21:08 AMI would kick here
Aged poorly
Geez so many mistakes this game
This is a big one
Does Lirim have the leg for this ?
Lotsa time
Money OT baby
Argos should have had this one in the bag...frustrating for us Bomber fans
I think Toronto could have drained some more seconds before that FG
Wow OT for sure flag
Quote from: bomb squad on August 23, 2024, 02:25:21 AMI think Toronto could have drained some more seconds before that FG
Should have ran
Hair from safety
Huuuuuuge
Lol whistle
Timeout lol
Wow TO could get it back!
Here we go!!!!!
This punter has been money so far - let's see what he can do
Crazy ending coming up
Big injury for Sask 19 looks ok
That penalty on the punt return
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 02:29:17 AMThis punter has been money so far - let's see what he can do
Crazy ending coming up
Only in CFL baby
Here we go
Why didn't he run that down?
Love that white face lol
Game over sask sucks bad
Lirum lirum! For mayor
Rouged it !!!
Went through lol
Yeeeeessss!
Only in Canada baby sask implodes
suitor still hasn't figured out the clock doesnt start til its snapped on an incomplete pass
Have a good night everyone! I lost my pickems and I'm happy
And now watch the Rider Fans bash the CFL left, right, and center about the Rouge
Quote from: Pete on August 23, 2024, 02:32:49 AMsuitor still hasn't figured out the clock doesnt start til its snapped on an incomplete pass
Either did I lol
Bahahhaha walk off rouge!!!
Would like to see how bad that penalty was on the punt return that sent them so far back
The Argos tried so hard to lose but the Riders wouldn't let them.
Gotta wonder why SSK called a time out there from the bench, that may have been the TSN turning point.
Strangest game of the season.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 23, 2024, 02:35:06 AMGotta wonder why SSK called a time out there from the bench, that may have been the TSN turning point.
That was a mistake and a half. They had the first down and could have run the clock out and went to overtime.
What an ugly game. Neither team looked good. We should sweep the LDC and BB from the Riders, didn't score in the second half, brutal.
Thank you Argos. Riders losing gives us an excellent chance to close the gap. It will still be preferable to win the season series, but this is still an advantage.
Quote from: markf on August 23, 2024, 02:36:15 AMStrangest game of the season.
I think the tie game wins that one. There were fans on the field...both teams thought they won at different points
Thank you, Argos!
Just a terribly played game on both sides.
Either of these teams scaring anyone?
Nope.
The West is wide open now.
Quote from: Pete on August 23, 2024, 02:32:49 AMsuitor still hasn't figured out the clock doesnt start til its snapped on an incomplete pass
I thought I heard one of them also say Sask should concede the safety.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 23, 2024, 02:35:06 AMGotta wonder why SSK called a time out there from the bench, that may have been the TSN turning point.
There's the old football adage that every rookie you have will cost you one loss. Well, there's one for the rookie coach.
Quote from: bomb squad on August 23, 2024, 02:33:07 AMAnd now watch the Rider Fans bash the CFL left, right, and center about the Rouge
You called it correctly. Rider fans Reddit.... Rouge is terrible. lol.
How many times did the Argos try and punch it in from the one yard line? 5?6? Their short yardage team is awful.
You may have heard of seismic activity in the Calgary area tonight... That was just me banging my head repeatedly trying to understand how this team can find a new way to lose every week.
Quote from: GR55 on August 23, 2024, 03:33:55 AMYou may have heard of seismic activity in the Calgary area tonight... That was just me banging my head repeatedly trying to understand how this team can find a new way to lose every week.
No excuse with their defence defending the way it did.
Quote from: Jesse on August 23, 2024, 02:46:26 AMJust a terribly played game on both sides.
Either of these teams scaring anyone?
I still want to know how we lost to the Argos.
Quote from: Jesse on August 23, 2024, 03:38:03 AMNo excuse with their defence defending the way it did.
Zero excuses, TH and Mueller went into a shell after the 2nd int, Mace called an absurdly idiotic timeout, etc.
Such a frustrating loss. I would say it can't get worse but, I have no doubt it can.
Quote from: GR55 on August 23, 2024, 03:33:55 AMYou may have heard of seismic activity in the Calgary area tonight... That was just me banging my head repeatedly trying to understand how this team can find a new way to lose every week.
Yes, the close games don't seem to be going your way lately. We can relate. We went through something similar at the beginning of the year. Including one against the Riders.
Quote from: bomb squad on August 23, 2024, 03:41:50 AMYes, the close games don't seem to be going your way lately. We can relate. We went through something similar at the beginning of the year. Including one against the Riders.
Young coaching staff, etc. I get it. Just frustrating.
Luckily, next week is the LDC and that is the best game of the year, every year. Can't wait, as it's the only game I am able to get to this year. Going with my dad who hasn't been in years.
Just rewatching the last couple of minutes:
The Riders called a timeout because the play clock was very close to running out. If they got a timecount, it would have been 3rd down with 30 secs left and the clock wouldn't have started until the snap. As it turned out, I think they would have barely got the play off. But I can understand why they called the timeout from the bench. Can't really fault him for that.
It was Suitor who said they should give up the safety. There would have been 30 seconds left and you give the ball back to Toronto. Uh uh Glen.
Suitor never seems to realize he was mistaken about the clock starting after an incomplete pass and keeps babbling on about how he thinks the Riders snapped the ball to quickly on the last punt. Uh uh #2 Glen. (Rod Smith never catches on either)
TSN never shows the critical holding call the sent the Riders back to their 8 yard line on the last kickoff. Riderfans think it was a bad call. How do they know if it wasn't shown? Oh right, every call against them is bad.
The Argos just took the game over at the end. Shades of the 16 - 2 team last year. Things just keep getting more interesting in the CFL this year.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 01:47:47 AM3 point game...honestly argos should be up by 2 scores
I'm catching up on the game now...
TOR dropsies has been really bad and obvious. Daniels has had 3 in his hands and dropped all 3, including a sure TD (so far).
Coxie is the only one that seems to be able to hold on.
SSK will hit you at the point of catch, often early. Refs mostly don't care.
Get some hands, TOR! You have this game! Kelly is looking better than T.Harris after the 1Q. Funny, it really was after Harris took hits and threw INTs. His mental state hasn't changed in years.
Sayles taking weak DPI every single week. Remember in Sayles year 1-2 here with us? He was an illegal contact factory. Every game was 1-2 IC flags.
It got so bad that MOS (so the story goes) made him wear oven mitts and 2 weeks later he got almost no IC calls again.
Mace needs to oven-mitt him up again. All of these DPIs are weak or fake, but he is grasping at the Rs and thus they are flagging him. Don't grasp and you won't get DPI (well, one would hope).
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 01:56:45 AMYup. Stupid play call but my goodness take the points
No, you get SY unit that can get 90% on 1Y! If you have a 90% SY unit, botching it twice from the 1 has a probability of 1 in 100. I'll take those odds any day of the week.
The problem is TOR is wasting the first down trying the sweep-style sneak. That requires just 1 defender to get lucky, or for the math to catch up with you by 1 at the end of the line.
Maybe with 1:30 on the clock you take the points. Otherwise I go for it every time if I have WPG's SY unit.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 02:31:54 AMRouged it !!!
Remember that game Leggs was sucking and we lost the game right at the end on a missed FG when he could have hoofed it harder and just gotten the rouge to win?
Ya, this is a repeat of that.
And look, Lirim knew to hoof that sucker because the FG aspect didn't matter... what mattered was getting that 1 point. And I don't even blame Leggs... this is a coaching thing. Whoever if TOR ST coach, he did his job right there.
Good job TOR! Kelly looked pretty darn good for a guy who hasn't played in nearly 10 months. THANKS TOR!! THANKS GHOST DINWIDDIE! THANKS KELLY, keep your babysitter nearby!
Quote from: Pete on August 23, 2024, 02:32:49 AMsuitor still hasn't figured out the clock doesnt start til its snapped on an incomplete pass
To be fair, he could have meant SSK was going to run around in circles in the EZ instead of kick it... but that would probably be even stupider because that gives up a safety no matter what the clock does!
I was heavily LOLing at Suits. Either way, it's one of the silliest things he's ever said.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 23, 2024, 02:33:25 AMWould like to see how bad that penalty was on the punt return that sent them so far back
I'll look for it and get back to you. Often these things are caught in the corner of the screen.
Quote from: markf on August 23, 2024, 02:36:15 AMStrangest game of the season.
Nope, The Neverending SSK/OTT game takes the cake. This can be a close second.
Quote from: GR55 on August 23, 2024, 03:33:55 AMYou may have heard of seismic activity in the Calgary area tonight... That was just me banging my head repeatedly trying to understand how this team can find a new way to lose every week.
Haha, welcome to the club! Did you watch WPG's 1st 4 games? One we legit lost, the rest were just tossing the game away (refs didn't help either).
I guess that's just the CFL!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 05:35:35 AMTo be fair, he could have meant SSK was going to run around in circles in the EZ instead of kick it... but that would probably be even stupider because that gives up a safety no matter what the clock does!
I was heavily LOLing at Suits. Either way, it's one of the silliest things he's ever said.
No, that's not what he meant and yes that would have been really stupid. You'd think a truck assistant would have tipped him off in his headphones. Maybe they did, he just chose not to say anything.
Quote from: Jesse on August 23, 2024, 02:46:26 AMJust a terribly played game on both sides.
Either of these teams scaring anyone?
Yes, it was really pathetic ball on both sides. Trevor was amazing until he got hit & INTd and turtled. It really is what everyone has always said about him. Astounding that years later he's still the same. Can't someone coach him?
Drop the tap-dancing lessons with mom and see the shrink instead.
We absolutely need to sack & INT Trevor early, otherwise he could be 1st Q Trevor all game, and that will put us in heaps of trouble unless Zach can keep up.
Quote from: Jesse on August 23, 2024, 03:38:03 AMNo excuse with their defence defending the way it did.
Riderfans pointing out SSK stopped TOR 3 times at their 1 YL? Not 3 stops on 3 downs, 3 separate series, each with the end result of a stop.
Is this true? Was it really 3? I lost count at the pathetic display of patheticness.
Junkie: does that make it a new CFL record? I don't mean SY stopes anywhere on the field: just GL stands specifically. I certainly have never seen it.
Tip to TOR: just sneak it behind the RG or LG!! Stop this edge stuff!
Quote from: Stretch on August 23, 2024, 03:38:56 AMI still want to know how we lost to the Argos.
The league/command cheated and they admitted it. So we actually didn't lose to TOR, they just said we did.
Quote from: GR55 on August 23, 2024, 03:55:34 AMLuckily, next week is the LDC and that is the best game of the year, every year. Can't wait, as it's the only game I am able to get to this year. Going with my dad who hasn't been in years.
Enjoy the time with your dad and good luck. Of course I want WPG to win, but a hard-fought game can provide some solace to all fans... well, except my daughter, she'll cry for an hour if we lose like last year. Maybe I'll see you there!
I went with my dad to games until he was bed-ridden with illness and wouldn't trade it for the world. Get to as many as you can now if he's getting up there in years.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 05:59:39 AMRiderfans pointing out SSK stopped TOR 3 times at their 1 YL? Not 3 stops on 3 downs, 3 separate series, each with the end result of a stop.
Is this true? Was it really 3? I lost count at the pathetic display of patheticness.
Junkie: does that make it a new CFL record? I don't mean SY stopes anywhere on the field: just GL stands specifically. I certainly have never seen it.
Tip to TOR: just sneak it behind the RG or LG!! Stop this edge stuff!
They got to the one three times and got one FG out of it.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 05:36:35 AMI'll look for it and get back to you. Often these things are caught in the corner of the screen.
The holding
is in-shot, but it's a blurry motion-filled spidercam shot, so numbers and fouls are hard to make out.
In front of 28 is an illegal block back-push from SSK 26. I would pick that as the more obvious call, basically at the point of attack.
SSK 28's hold is weak sauce, but it is right at the point of attack and he does have his arm around his front and twisting the TOR guy. Then, probably the dumbest move, is he does the universal sign for "I just committed a penalty" of putting both hands up trying to pretend he's innocent. The clincher is the carrier is basically already falling down when when he does that! Double doh.
You know what's strange? I think SSK still had a challenge, and they did have a TO. They can challenge a bogus return hold/IB! Might have been worth it with 57s left. They would have gained 22Y. However, I don't think they would win -- there was enough to uphold, and command could overturn the hold and call that more obvious IB!
When Kelly took that hit with around 2:30 left and did the ref-whining looking for a RTP, he takes his helmet off nearly right away without any injury timeout or trainers come on the field. By rule that's a penalty.
I don't know what the hold was at the end, but I saw holding by both teams throughout the game... if I can see it, the refs can see it.
they were letting holding go....which is fine if even handed
So to not call it all game, then call it at that point.... Pretty stupid on the refs part.
proulx's team is not great this season.
Quote from: markf on August 23, 2024, 12:59:20 PMI don't know what the hold was at the end, but I saw holding by both teams throughout the game... if I can see it, the refs can see it.
they were letting holding go....which is fine if even handed
So to not call it all game, then call it at that point.... Pretty stupid on the refs part.
proulx's team is not great this season.
I think I see it. It happens shortly after Alford catches the ball and it's in the right lower screen. Number 26 from Saskatchewan grabs the back of Toronto number 45's left shoulder pad and throws him to the ground. So it was 26, not 28 like Proulx, and it was pretty much a hold and a tackle. 28 doesn't show up on the screen until Alford reaches the 30.
Quote from: bomb squad on August 23, 2024, 01:47:53 PMI think I see it. It happens shortly after Alford catches the ball and it's in the right lower screen. Number 26 from Saskatchewan grabs the back of Toronto number 45's left shoulder pad and throws him to the ground. So it was 26, not 28 like Proulx, and it was pretty much a hold and a tackle. 28 doesn't show up on the screen until Alford reaches the 30.
Thanks... maybe too blatant to let go I guess.
Sometimes the refs are kind of screwed no matter what they do.
Argos offence is hugely better with Kelly than either of the backups. They should have blown the Riders away. All they had to do was kick 3 short FG's from the 1 and they win easily.
Give the Riders defence their due. They stood up when it counted and almost stole the game.
The Riders offence looked great in the first quarter then almost nothing for the rest of the game. Kinda like their season.
Rider 1-5-1 in there last 7. This is why it's so important to have a great start to the season.
Harris 190 yards passing, 1TD, 2 Int. 6.6 avg. Team rushing 93 yards.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 06:32:43 AMWhen Kelly took that his with around 2:30 left and did the ref-whining looking for a RTP, he takes his helmet off nearly right away without any injury timeout or trainers come on the field. By rule that's a penalty.
Not really. Players take their helmets off often when evaluating a possible injury or inspecting / adjusting their helmet.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 05:59:39 AMRiderfans pointing out SSK stopped TOR 3 times at their 1 YL? Not 3 stops on 3 downs, 3 separate series, each with the end result of a stop.
Is this true? Was it really 3? I lost count at the pathetic display of patheticness.
Junkie: does that make it a new CFL record? I don't mean SY stopes anywhere on the field: just GL stands specifically. I certainly have never seen it.
Tip to TOR: just sneak it behind the RG or LG!! Stop this edge stuff!
The fact the Rider D-line did not get called for any offsides during 3 goal line stands is fairly impressive.
Yeah, the finally kicked a FG on the 4th effort near the goal line. I think they lost a yard or 2 and it was 3rd and 3.
Could be confused it happened so often. I don't remember that ever happening in one game to the same team. Very odd but impressive defence by the Riders. It was helped by not very good offence play calls by the Argos on short plays.
Tecno, you may be right about that (non)penalty on Kelly. But what shocks me more is that you haven't taken us through the play frame by frame, at least not as yet. I guess that falls to me with my comparatively primitive equipment.
As we see from the angle they only showed ONCE, the arm/shoulder came up and I believe did hit Kelly in the chin. The other replays they showed did not have that arm visible.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 06:00:22 AMThe league/command cheated and they admitted it. So we actually didn't lose to TOR, they just said we did.
Made up for that farce of a game of Wpg vs Sask many weeks ago....that was A TOTAL HOSE JOB! :(
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 23, 2024, 06:14:16 AMThe holding is in-shot, but it's a blurry motion-filled spidercam shot, so numbers and fouls are hard to make out.
In front of 28 is an illegal block back-push from SSK 26. I would pick that as the more obvious call, basically at the point of attack.
SSK 28's hold is weak sauce, but it is right at the point of attack and he does have his arm around his front and twisting the TOR guy. Then, probably the dumbest move, is he does the universal sign for "I just committed a penalty" of putting both hands up trying to pretend he's innocent. The clincher is the carrier is basically already falling down when when he does that! Double doh.
You know what's strange? I think SSK still had a challenge, and they did have a TO. They can challenge a bogus return hold/IB! Might have been worth it with 57s left. They would have gained 22Y. However, I don't think they would win -- there was enough to uphold, and command could overturn the hold and call that more obvious IB!
UNLESS you had your nose right along the turf, a replay can be deceiving depending on the angle. Can you be 150% sure he was out? I don't think so unless you WERE THERE with you head just above the turf when he "stepped" out. Angles can fool you a lot of times even when you ARE RIGHT THERE!
In real time, he look inbounds and I did see his foot sort of "appear" to be out of bounds, but it that split second moment I though the edge of his shoe was slightly in the air. Will I bet 100% on it, no, but this is probably why the command centre did not think it had 100% proof he did step out as I would have vetoed such a call if I was there! :)
Who is 33 for the Bombers? Is that who hit the Hamilton kick returner that coughed up the ball? Is that Jones?
Quote from: J5V on August 24, 2024, 03:52:19 PMWho is 33 for the Bombers? Is that who hit the Hamilton kick returner that coughed up the ball? Is that Jones?
Yes it's Jones and he's been a force on ST's and on defence. Great addition.
Jones is an absolute beast on the field. He gives us a much needed physical presence in the middle of the field. He knocks guys silly all the time!! Love it!!
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 24, 2024, 04:09:21 PMYes it's Jones and he's been a force on ST's and on defence. Great addition.
Could not agree more! He hits a ton!
Quote from: Waffler on August 23, 2024, 07:40:41 PMTecno, you may be right about that (non)penalty on Kelly. But what shocks me more is that you haven't taken us through the play frame by frame, at least not as yet. I guess that falls to me with my comparatively primitive equipment.
As we see from the angle they only showed ONCE, the arm/shoulder came up and I believe did hit Kelly in the chin. The other replays they showed did not have that arm visible.
I think you did a great job! Sorry for my 2 day delay... I stopped dealing with the SSK game and started getting read for the far more important WPG game! ;D
Your stills are good, and I like your 'shopped arrow!
What makes me think he got a piece of the helmet is the rapid jerking of Kelly's helmet. Like the Zach hit a few weeks ago, that's the tell that something hit the helmet... not a jerking after the next moves, but a jerking before anything else moves.
However, the Kelly hit case is even weaker than the Zach one would have been, so good non-challenge. They still miff me though! Clearly some head shots are legal as long as you lead with something else. Smart/nasty DTs will probably take advantage to take out QBs.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 23, 2024, 03:54:23 PMNot really. Players take their helmets off often when evaluating a possible injury or inspecting / adjusting their helmet.
You made me have to check:
Rule 7 Fouls & Penalties
Section 4 - Objectionable Conduct
(g)
voluntarily removing their helmet after a play while on the field, except during a timeout, or throwing it to the ground...
What Kelly did is a penalty. The proper action is to take a knee or indicate you are injured, then take off your helmet. But you are right, they do seem to let this one slide sometimes, eh?
If a team does this playing us, I hope MOS is chirping the heck out of the refs!!
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 24, 2024, 05:11:10 AMUNLESS you had your nose right along the turf, a replay can be deceiving depending on the angle. Can you be 150% sure he was out?
Yes. 150% sure Alexander was OOB.
There are only 2 possibilities from the pictures I provided:
1) I faked them
2) He was OOB
I'm not sure how you can look at those and still think he's not OOB in any manner. But that's ok! You can believe and argue whatever you want. I like conversation! No joke!
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 24, 2024, 05:11:10 AMIn real time, he look inbounds
100% correct. In realtime he looked inbounds. Thus command upholding the TD. Thus confirming my "no freezeframes" command guidelines theory.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 24, 2024, 05:11:10 AMI thought the edge of his shoe was slightly in the air.
I'm not sure how you can think that when looking at my pictures? Clearly the heel was up in the air. The front pads of his feet are flat on the ground. Thus the sharp angle in the arch of his foot/shoe: because his foot was bending severely to start his next stride.
If you're agreeing with the above but saying the front right edge of his foot was somehow in the air and only the front left edge was on the turf... then all we have to do is think about where his weight is pushing on and what kind of pushing his foot is doing to push off for the next stride. And that would all be on the right-most edge of his foot. So if anything his right-most edge would be the most firmly-planted on the turf! Maybe his left-edge could be coming up as he pushes off, but physics would dictate it cannot be the right edge.
And it's the right edge that is touching the sideline. QED
The clincher is that if this was 2023 they would have 100% overturned that TD and made him run a sneak. I have zero doubt. This would have been ideal because then no one would have felt ripped off (SSK fans), and there would be no controversy... and the result would have been the same -- a MTL win!
Riderfans has their undies in a bunch contemplating the end of this game (last week's game now).
1st & 10, SSK has the ball at the SSK 8, 55s on the clock. TOR with zero timeouts. Game is tied.
A tells Mace post-game, and many fans agree, there was a way for SSK to make sure TOR doesn't have time to kick a FG by clever clock-bleeding. Generally bleeding off clock with 2 running plays then a punt (maybe with some goofy running around first?).
Grant would get a chance to return, but even if he goes down fast within (say) the 45YL, it's 0:00 and game over.
Is this tenable?
P.S. Mace gave a rude snide answer & look at being questioned by the mere plebe. It was a weird presser done by video-call where he looked everywhere except at the camera.