Well, no one else has put it up:
Good
- Defence, Jesus ****** on a bicycle they've been fantastic
- Tyrell Ford, officially scared we're going to lose him next season
- Dropping Rourke on his butt, if he had a good game, that's all we would have heard of next week. We took control of that narrative.
- Demski cool
- Lawler back. Not dominating, but good start.
- Brady took advantage of limited opportunities. 100+ all purpose yards.
Bad
- some injuries
Ugly
- Only Rourke's stat line 8)
Good
Quick start
Zach
D
BO
Lawler
Bad
Bc
3 and 2 gamble
Doink
Ugly
Rourke
Good- Colleros efficient game
-special teams kick coverage
-Lawler back and making plays
-secondary is shutting down everyone
-Olivera outstanding
Bad-dumb penalty I'm looking at you Lawler
uncustomary doink
Ugly- injury to Bighill Demski???
Ugly: Rourke (Cuck-ahhhh!!!)
I will add Lucky to the good. Thought he had a strong game on punt returns other than the initial bobble, and was good on the plays they gave him on offence. Runs hard for a smaller guy.
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2024, 03:51:08 AMI will add Lucky to the good. Thought he had a strong game on punt returns other than the initial bobble, and was good on the plays they gave him on offence. Runs hard for a smaller guy.
If we could just keep him on instead on Johnson, that would be great.
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2024, 03:51:08 AMI will add Lucky to the good. Thought he had a strong game on punt returns other than the initial bobble, and was good on the plays they gave him on offence. Runs hard for a smaller guy.
Yes, he is 10/10 as a receiver, and has added a really spark for this team.
Quote from: bwiser on August 19, 2024, 03:40:16 AMGood- Colleros efficient game
-special teams kick coverage
-Lawler back and making plays
-secondary is shutting down everyone
-Olivera outstanding
Bad-dumb penalty I'm looking at you Lawler
uncustomary doink
Ugly- injury to Bighill Demski???
It turns out that Lucky Whitehead is actually a good receiver. Whoulda thunk.
Quote from: blue_or_die on August 19, 2024, 04:11:52 AMIt turns out that Lucky Whitehead is actually a good receiver. Whoulda thunk.
Watched the Handled Internally Podcast last night on YouTube featuring Lucky with Ed Tait and Darren Cameron. I think he's often misconstrued as a happy go lucky guy, but you get the sense that he's super competitive and he comes from a very tough background. Of course none of these topics are explored in depth, the discussion is mostly pretty trivial.
Quote from: Jesse on August 19, 2024, 03:52:23 AMIf we could just keep him on instead on Johnson, that would be great.
Someone (thanks!) pointed out in the GDT how it was Johnson that made a superb edge contain block on the DL for a huge Brady run. I saw it live but didn't know who it was, so I'll take their word for it for now. But it was an awesome and critical block or Brady probably only gets 2Y there.
At the rate both SBs are going, vying for that single spot, Lucky will win it "the MOS way". He's looking much better for us than he did his last year in BC. Maybe we are using him more to his strengths (not going for the 60Y hands 50/50).
GOOD
Off the away-game schneid baby!!
Quote from: bwiser on August 19, 2024, 03:40:16 AMBad-dumb penalty I'm looking at you Lawler
Yeah, WHAT WAS HE THINKING?! You know it's a run play 100% and he jumps the gun? Not thinking obviously at that moment.
This team looks fired up now. They can smell they are back in the groove and letting all the doubters know they are BACK BABY!! ;)
the good
Collaros ball control offence allowing the d to be fresh
Jones stepping up
Bonds is a gamer..they aren't even throwing to his area
NIchols and Ford both allstars
Willie continues to create havoc
Demski returning to form
oline giving Zac more time
the bad
we are leaving too many points on the board.. penalty on fords interception, missed fg, 3rd and 1 failure
Biggys injury
the ugly
roarke
strevelers 3rd and short miss ( 3rd in 3 games i think)
Miscellaneous good. Lucky is playing with an edge.
Quote from: markf on August 19, 2024, 07:51:00 PMMiscellaneous good. Lucky is playing with an edge.
a) I think Lucky has beefed up; he's looking much bigger
b) But still fast
c) He's punishing tacklers and running through guys: no longer the featherweight
d) He's one stoic dog: he took crazy punishment and refused to show any effect when they zoomed in on his face. That flying hit OOB on a return? The demolishing of that DB? Ouch.
All props to Lucky. I think he's trying to reinvent himself away from the Speedy B type into more a McCrae WR/RB/returner versatility guy. If he keeps showing this new ability and improvement, we may have to find a way to keep him beyond '24. There are ways to work around his hands problem.
another to the good...
Rourke had no luck whatsoever scrambling. which he was good at last time round.
not sure how they managed that, but I think one or two of the D linemen are very speedy.
Good
Almost everything
Bad
Run D
Ugly
too many points left on the board
Every Lawler play where he didn't catch the ball. Looked disengaged as a blocker, the offsides on third and inches was rough.
Quote from: kkc60 on August 20, 2024, 10:21:17 PMGood
Almost everything
Bad
Run D
Ugly
too many points left on the board
Every Lawler play where he didn't catch the ball. Looked disengaged as a blocker, the offsides on third and inches was rough.
Yeah, that was bad. So bad Osh made a point of saying something to him about it that everyone heard right then and there.
Kenny's not perfect. But what Kenny is, is very very good. I'm happy to have him back and available. I can't wait to see Zach and him re-establish their chemistry. Gonna be fun!
Quote from: J5V on August 20, 2024, 10:42:22 PMYeah, that was bad. So bad Osh made a point of saying something to him about it that everyone heard right then and there.
Kenny's not perfect. But what Kenny is, is very very good. I'm happy to have him back and available. I can't wait to see Zach and him re-establish their chemistry. Gonna be fun!
I missed the OShea tongue lashing, what did he say?.
Quote from: dd on August 21, 2024, 12:20:34 AMI missed the OShea tongue lashing, what did he say?.
Paraphrasing, and if someone else remembers it better please chime in, but it went something like "gotta freeze right there (at the line), come to a full stop". He wasn't gentle about it. :)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 20, 2024, 01:12:48 AMa) I think Lucky has beefed up; he's looking much bigger
b) But still fast
c) He's punishing tacklers and running through guys: no longer the featherweight
d) He's one stoic dog: he took crazy punishment and refused to show any effect when they zoomed in on his face. That flying hit OOB on a return? The demolishing of that DB? Ouch.
All props to Lucky. I think he's trying to reinvent himself away from the Speedy B type into more a McCrae WR/RB/returner versatility guy. If he keeps showing this new ability and improvement, we may have to find a way to keep him beyond '24. There are ways to work around his hands problem.
Well....so far he's 10 for 10 on receiving and most of his net yards gained are YAC.....so I think they've utilized his abilities quite effectively. Add to this his potential to break one off a punt return or KO return and he gives us that X-factor we've missed since losing Grant. I'd like to see him on a few more jet sweeps as well.....he could just break one! Love the signing!!
Quote from: dd on August 21, 2024, 12:20:34 AMI missed the OShea tongue lashing, what did he say?.
One of the only times I've heard MOS dropping bombs on TV!
He wasn't so much mad as exasperated and trying to coach him for the future. Basically: do X instead, and don't do Y again.
Now keeping Johnson on the roster makes sense. Use him as a blocking WR and Whitehead as the receiving target.
Both of them can manage either role, but Johnson is the better blocker and Whitehead is better and making plays after the catch!
Quote from: LXTSN on August 21, 2024, 02:20:49 PMNow keeping Johnson on the roster makes sense. Use him as a blocking WR and Whitehead as the receiving target.
Both of them can manage either role, but Johnson is the better blocker and Whitehead is better and making plays after the catch!
Is Johnson a better choice than Wheatfall? I don't know but he'd be the next man up choice in theory. Regardless they should throw him a pass every now and then.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 21, 2024, 02:27:26 PMIs Johnson a better choice than Wheatfall? I don't know but he'd be the next man up choice in theory. Regardless they should throw him a pass every now and then.
Maybe not, but at this point he's much more experienced and knows the playsheet better than Wheatfall who has only played one game. Wheatfall may be doomed to spending the season on the PR waiting for another opportunity to perform, with Lucky in the mix he's not even the next up.
Clercius looks to be the future replacement of Woli. if he stays in Wpg. after his ELC ends, the timing is right.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 21, 2024, 02:27:26 PMIs Johnson a better choice than Wheatfall? I don't know but he'd be the next man up choice in theory. Regardless they should throw him a pass every now and then.
Wheatfall hasn't proven anything either. At least Johnson has stayed healthy.
Good
Dominating the Lions on the road with the most widely watched game so far this year!
Willie is in true form once again
Supreme secondary
Great kick coverage especially Benson shoe string tackle
Bad
Zach taking a few nasty shots
Sergio bad miss
Sheehan below average yet again
Ugly
Can't think of much
Quote from: Jesse on August 21, 2024, 03:57:50 PMWheatfall hasn't proven anything either. At least Johnson has stayed healthy.
Wheatfall only played in 2 games. 3 catches for 111 yards. Johnson 7 games and only 117 yards. I'd say Wheatfall proved more than Johnson.
Wheatfall was added to the roster before Johnson. Hard to say what would have happened if he had not gotten injured in his 2nd game. However we also lost Schoen and then Woli as well.
So the combination of receiver needs may have changed. Lots of comments about Johnson being valuable as a blocker. Getting Lawler back and adding Whitehead also changed the skill level of our receiving group and Wheatfall was not added.
That may not change this week either. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with a longer look but don't want to rock the boat either.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 21, 2024, 04:40:30 PMWheatfall only played in 2 games. 3 catches for 111 yards. Johnson 7 games and only 117 yards. I'd say Wheatfall proved more than Johnson.
If stats are your only metric, fill your boots.
If you're looking for the Bailey replacement, stats are not the metric.
4th or 5th WR on the tree is expected to not have to make 100yds in a game, he shouldn't be in that position.
But he is expected to do the muck work in the trenches, and make other players jobs easier.
I haven't watched Johnson personally, but it seems other have (including our coaches), and the consensus seems to be that he has made signing Bailey redundant.
Wheatfall is a completely different player, and fills a different role, which affords the opportunity for big plays, hence production.
They are not directly comparable. Stats aside.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 21, 2024, 04:40:30 PMWheatfall only played in 2 games. 3 catches for 111 yards. Johnson 7 games and only 117 yards. I'd say Wheatfall proved more than Johnson.
Wheatfall was added to the roster before Johnson. Hard to say what would have happened if he had not gotten injured in his 2nd game. However we also lost Schoen and then Woli as well.
So the combination of receiver needs may have changed. Lots of comments about Johnson being valuable as a blocker. Getting Lawler back and adding Whitehead also changed the skill level of our receiving group and Wheatfall was not added.
That may not change this week either. I wouldn't mind seeing what he could do with a longer look but don't want to rock the boat either.
Wheatfall has a single catch on his resume that Johnson doesn't. It was a 77 yard broken play where he was wide open. He then took a terrible angle and was chased down instead of getting what looked to be an easy TD.
Wheatfall may still turn out to be a good player, but his "100 yard game" followed immediately by getting injured doesn't mean much to me, personally.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 21, 2024, 05:07:50 PMIf stats are your only metric, fill your boots.
If you're looking for the Bailey replacement, stats are not the metric.
4th or 5th WR on the tree is expected to not have to make 100yds in a game, he shouldn't be in that position.
But he is expected to do the muck work in the trenches, and make other players jobs easier.
I haven't watched Johnson personally, but it seems other have (including our coaches), and the consensus seems to be that he has made signing Bailey redundant.
Wheatfall is a completely different player, and fills a different role, which affords the opportunity for big plays, hence production.
They are not directly comparable. Stats aside.
You can say they're using him for blocking, or you can say he's blocking because he can't do anything else. He's on the field, we can directly compare him to any other receiver, imo.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 21, 2024, 05:07:50 PMIf stats are your only metric, fill your boots.
If you're looking for the Bailey replacement, stats are not the metric.
4th or 5th WR on the tree is expected to not have to make 100yds in a game, he shouldn't be in that position.
But he is expected to do the muck work in the trenches, and make other players jobs easier.
I haven't watched Johnson personally, but it seems other have (including our coaches), and the consensus seems to be that he has made signing Bailey redundant.
Wheatfall is a completely different player, and fills a different role, which affords the opportunity for big plays, hence production.
They are not directly comparable. Stats aside.
Did you even read my post?
Quote from: Jesse on August 21, 2024, 06:17:55 PMWheatfall has a single catch on his resume that Johnson doesn't. It was a 77 yard broken play where he was wide open. He then took a terrible angle and was chased down instead of getting what looked to be an easy TD.
Wheatfall may still turn out to be a good player, but his "100 yard game" followed immediately by getting injured doesn't mean much to me, personally.
You can say they're using him for blocking, or you can say he's blocking because he can't do anything else. He's on the field, we can directly compare him to any other receiver, imo.
That means he had 34 yards on the other 2 catches so he made an impressive debut with only 3 catches. As to getting injured, Lawler didn't last to the end of game 1 and Schoen didn't last 3 full games.
I posted that our situation has changed, so we may need a different skill set that we get from Johnson. Or it may have been that Wheatfall wasn't game ready after coming off the 6 game IR.
We'll see if they make a change this week. I won't be upset if they do and I won't be upset if they don't. It was a rhetorical statement.
Johnson isn't a Bailey replacement, he's 5 ft 11 181lbs, he's a different type of receiver, relying more on speed, that's why Buck has mainly used him on quick out patterns , unsuccessfully, unfortunately.
He's in the line up because O'Shea is once again enamored with his attitude and effort not talent or results, we've seen that act before. It's often frustrating to us as fans, and maybe it's fine if he's only utilized as a 4th receiver but if there's an injury and he has to step up I don't think he's got as much potential as Wheatfall especially based on his body of work so far.
Id much rather keep Lucky as a full time receiver and continue to utilize Case as a returner or find another returner.
If Wheatfall isn't the answer then bring in another receiver. I wonder who Mtrl will bench with Mack returning
Quote from: Pete on August 21, 2024, 08:16:29 PMHe's in the line up because O'Shea is once again enamored with his attitude and effort not talent or results
[CITATION MISSING, NONEXISTENT]
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 21, 2024, 08:18:52 PM[CITATION MISSING, NONEXISTENT]
MOS has said it a couple of times in pressers (like the in-week practice ones). It's his main point when asked about Johnson. So Pete isn't lying.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 21, 2024, 05:07:50 PMI haven't watched Johnson personally, but it seems other have (including our coaches), and the consensus seems to be that he has made signing Bailey redundant.
Wheatfall is a completely different player, and fills a different role, which affords the opportunity for big plays, hence production.
No idea about the Bailey tie-in, but Aards is 100% right you have to look at the total mix of receivers. Wheatfall definitely is intended to be the Lawler out-open home-run type.
Johnson is definitely supposed to be the clutch and YAC guy, which, yes, is much more like a Bailey. He may not be as beefy as Bailey, but it's still his role.
Forget Bailey, though, the better question is who fills in Schoen's role. Johnson and Clercius migth be that. Wheatfall, not so much.
If we start Lawler, Pokey, Wheatfall, Lucky, then we have an overload of speed/homerun guys, and a shortage of Woli/Schoen/Bailey punishment/clutch guys. Therefore we can expect never to start Lawler, Wheatfall, Lucky, Demski. Heck, even starting any 3 of that same type might be a stretch (as we've seen with making Lucky the backup).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 21, 2024, 11:56:01 PMIf we start Lawler, Pokey, Wheatfall, Lucky, then we have an overload of speed/homerun guys, and a shortage of Woli/Schoen/Bailey punishment/clutch guys. Therefore we can expect never to start Lawler, Wheatfall, Lucky, Demski. Heck, even starting any 3 of that same type might be a stretch (as we've seen with making Lucky the backup).
I couldn't agree more. The best combo I recall was Lawler, Demski, Bailey, Woli with a mix of AH33/BO. I think either of Pokey or Lucky are durable/flexible enough to fill in for the loss of Bailey.
We've had some pretty good combo's.
2021: Lawler, Demski, Bailey, Woli, Adams, AH33/BO20.
2022: Schoen, Demski, Bailey, Woli, BO20.
2023: Lawler, Schoen, Demski, Bailey, Woli, B020