From Twitter (Dan Ralph)
Hearing there was a Chris Jones sighting in Hamilton last night and that could mean he's returning to the #CFL as the Ticats DC. Jones and Ticats HC Scott Milanovich worked previously together as assistants in Mtl and Jones was Milanovich's DC when he was Toronto's HC.
I think Jones time in the CFL is done. Hamilton is a tire fire and the fans are falling by the wayside. Do they really need what Jones brings to the table?
No Hammy No
It will be your demise!
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 18, 2024, 05:32:33 PMI think Jones time in the CFL is done. Hamilton is a tire fire and the fans are falling by the wayside. Do they really need what Jones brings to the table?
I love Chris Jones and want him back in the league asap, every other coach is boring in comparison, especially Milanovich. With Ed Hervey working behind the curtain, I can believe this is going to happen.
He used to be a great defensive coordinator and was a really good X's and O's guy. Had a lot of success with with match zone defense and all those creative pressure looks.
No idea what happened. If he can get back to that he could probably be a really successful defensive coordinator but I wouldn't let him near the controls of a franchise again.
I hope this comes to be. Hamilton's defense is brutal, he'd turn that around
In wrestling terms, he's a great "heel".
Quote from: dd on August 18, 2024, 07:16:55 PMI hope this comes to be. Hamilton's defense is brutal, he'd turn that around
would he? Like the Elks D was so great right? :D
Jeff Hamilton makes a good point:
It's so 2024 Hamilton Tiger-Cats to try and improve your league-worst defence by adding the man responsible for the CFL's second-worst defence. This whole Scott Milanovich experiment is a disaster.
Confirmed by Farhan:
Hearing that Mark Washington has been relieved of his duties as #TiCats DC. Chris Jones will take over, per sources. @SportsCentre
Wow, Washington has been around a long time, and through the good years....all of a sudden he forgot how to coach???!!!They need a whole house cleaning in Hamilton and that includes their scouting department.
Their overall talent level is brutal. Gone are the speedy B days and Bralon Addison days, and they've replaced them with nothing noteworthy. Their secondary is horrible. I see them bringing in NFL cuts and overhauling this roster, and that may well include Milanovich himself. Trouble is, that would mean Jones is the heir apparent, and just look at Edmonton to see how that one plays out!!! Trouble in steel town for sure.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 18, 2024, 11:06:40 PMConfirmed by Farhan:
Hearing that Mark Washington has been relieved of his duties as #TiCats DC. Chris Jones will take over, per sources. @SportsCentre
Chris Jones immediately upon entering the locker room, "How many of you played in the NFL? Alright. Meet your new starting defense. We're going with three guys to start and the rest of you can rotate."
I m thinking after last game the ticat players were saying this is rock bottom, how much worse can it get, and then this happens and there's a collective 'ah sh*t' from the locker room!!
How come these teams always pick the week right before WPG plays them to make these drastic changes?
Chris Jones was a great DC, but I didn't think he'd get another CFL gig, especially this soon.
Whoever approved of this hire in Steeltown needs to commit himself.
Jones is trash.
Do we see the old defensive genius CJ or the more modern "genius"?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2024, 10:15:41 AMHow come these teams always pick the week right before WPG plays them to make these drastic changes?
Hoping this Friday doesn't become a trap game for that very reason.
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2024, 12:41:10 AMWow, Washington has been around a long time, and through the good years....all of a sudden he forgot how to coach???!!!They need a whole house cleaning in Hamilton and that includes their scouting department.
Their overall talent level is brutal. Gone are the speedy B days and Bralon Addison days, and they've replaced them with nothing noteworthy. Their secondary is horrible. I see them bringing in NFL cuts and overhauling this roster, and that may well include Milanovich himself. Trouble is, that would mean Jones is the heir apparent, and just look at Edmonton to see how that one plays out!!! Trouble in steel town for sure.
Chris Jones solution is almost always to find better players, I don't know if the Ti-Cats have the money left in their budget to take that approach. One thing I noticed their D lacks physicality, maybe Washington's approach was to recruit speed and play fast but it doesn't work well if players can't tackle or compete.
Quote from: Stretch on August 19, 2024, 03:18:22 PMHoping this Friday doesn't become a trap game for that very reason.
I'm more hopeful Jones will create more problems for an already beleaguered Ti-Cats team.
If Jones wears one hat, he can be very very good.
Wonder if the Esks get any releif on what they owe him.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 19, 2024, 04:32:11 PMIf Jones wears one hat, he can be very very good.
Yes, that's true. I just can't see that materializing over the next few days, especially against an offense that's ostensibly found its way.
No worries, he will bolt for the Useless Football League next week as he has done in the past! :D A strange character.
He may bolt, but then if you were trying to play in Hamilton, wouldn't you.
If I recall; Chris Jones was a very good Defensive Coordinator. He just isn't good once he starts getting into the upper levels of management. Hopefully this doesn't wake up a sleeping Hamilton defense just before we get to play them. Would really like some easy wins going into this next portion of our schedule.
Hamilton continues to bring in players/coaches from other teams yet doesn't improve in fact they look worse. No continuity at all.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFL/s/5Ngn0LLp9s (https://www.reddit.com/r/CFL/s/5Ngn0LLp9s)
Hamilton's problem is they lack talent and the skill positions-other than Tim white, They don't have any playmakers on O and their secondary is the worst in the league.
Chris Jones doesn't have a magic wand, he sure as heck didn't have one in Edmonton, why and how could he turn this team around in less than a week.
Our offense has struggled, but I don't see their offense scoring st all and our secondary will eat up whomever they throw under centre. 30-10 bombers
Quote from: Tehedra on August 19, 2024, 09:09:40 PMIf I recall; Chris Jones was a very good Defensive Coordinator. He just isn't good once he starts getting into the upper levels of management.
He's the D version of Lapo (sort of). A good thing about the CFL is it tends to correct Peter Principle promotion mistakes. Jones might once again be a very good DC, just like Lapo would almost certainly once again be a very good OC. Just never promote them again!
Any word on his pat in Hamilton, or how much Edm is saving with him now under contract in Ham?
He is a "senior defensive assistant", but that's still under the front office SMS right?
Quote from: theaardvark on August 20, 2024, 06:17:02 PMAny word on his pat in Hamilton, or how much Edm is saving with him now under contract in Ham?
He is a "senior defensive assistant", but that's still under the front office SMS right?
Farhan Lalji @FarhanLaljiTSN - Aug 19
Jones will be calling the defensive plays & my understanding is
he won't be getting paid by the #TiCats for the balance of the season, hence the title.
Meanwhile, he was bought out by #Elks, receiving approx 12 months pay following his dismissal. So he's doing just fine 💵
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 20, 2024, 06:37:25 PMFarhan Lalji @FarhanLaljiTSN - Aug 19
Jones will be calling the defensive plays & my understanding is he won't be getting paid by the #TiCats for the balance of the season, hence the title.
Meanwhile, he was bought out by #Elks, receiving approx 12 months pay following his dismissal. So he's doing just fine 💵
If ANYONE thinks that Jones is volunteering his time for free, I have some ocean front property near Brandon for sale.
He is getting, at minimum, all his expenses paid (room, meals, transportation), all of which are $SMS attributable.
Bob Young will find a way to pay him under the table.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 20, 2024, 07:09:37 PMIf ANYONE thinks that Jones is volunteering his time for free, I have some ocean front property near Brandon for sale.
He is getting, at minimum, all his expenses paid (room, meals, transportation), all of which are $SMS attributable.
Bob Young will find a way to pay him under the table.
The Ti-Cats pull this stunt almost every year, they bring them in as consultants and pay them outside the coaching cap. Milanovich may have even followed this path.
The Ticats could bring in bill bellichek,it wouldn't make a difference. Their roster needs talent, they need someone like, gulp, Danny Mac to help them turn this sinking ship around. I am hoping they don't make him an offer he can't refus in the off season, but quit spending it on coaches you need a decent talent pipeline
Quote from: dd on August 20, 2024, 08:38:48 PMThe Ticats could bring in bill bellichek,it wouldn't make a difference. Their roster needs talent, they need someone like, gulp, Danny Mac to help them turn this sinking ship around. I am hoping they don't make him an offer he can't refus in the off season, but quit spending it on coaches you need a decent talent pipeline
Danny Mac isn't going anywhere. The guy doesn't want to move back up to Canada and he can't GM remotely like he does for us.
The Ticats are not paying him?
Elks new owner going to love this. Nice way to welcome him to the league.
Quote from: Jesse on August 20, 2024, 08:54:36 PMDanny Mac isn't going anywhere. The guy doesn't want to move back up to Canada and he can't GM remotely like he does for us.
No but there's nothing stopping them from paying him more dollars to do what he does for us for his former team in steeltown that gave him the opportunity to me a starter and star in this league.
What would Hamilton look like with dalton schoen, tyrell ford, and Evan holm in their lineup?? Significantly better. They need to improve their talent pipeline. I wouldn't rule this out
Watch the TiCats D suffer profusely under Joke or I mean Derp Jones.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 20, 2024, 06:17:02 PMAny word on his pat in Hamilton, or how much Edm is saving with him now under contract in Ham?
He is a "senior defensive assistant", but that's still under the front office SMS right?
That's a great question. It might put him in the same grey area as Hall. I think we changed Hall titles to squeak by some coach SMS issues... HAM might be doing the same.
Still need to explain how the money owed from EDM works... If you had guaranteed $600k+ for no-show from your old job, why would you take $200k to work and lose the $600? Something isn't adding up.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 20, 2024, 10:23:29 PMThat's a great question. It might put him in the same grey area as Hall. I think we changed Hall titles to squeak by some coach SMS issues... HAM might be doing the same.
Still need to explain how the money owed from EDM works... If you had guaranteed $600k+ for no-show from your old job, why would you take $200k to work and lose the $600? Something isn't adding up.
Apparently, he's working for free for Hammy because the HC money is more than the DC money. That's why his title isn't DC.
Maybe we should hire an additional coach we could call him an intern
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 20, 2024, 10:23:29 PMThat's a great question. It might put him in the same grey area as Hall. I think we changed Hall titles to squeak by some coach SMS issues... HAM might be doing the same.
Still need to explain how the money owed from EDM works... If you had guaranteed $600k+ for no-show from your old job, why would you take $200k to work and lose the $600? Something isn't adding up.
Pretty hard to disguise it when he's directly replacing the guy they fired to hire him. Mark Washington may have been an experienced DC, but it was mostly bad results in BC from 2013-19 and in Hammytown afterward.
Thinking about it, I;m pretty sure the EDM buyout closed the books on Jones/Edm. They eat the $SMS regardless what he gets paid elsewhere. If the contract was being paid out, different story, but IIRC, he was bought out.
Him "working for free" in Ham is bogus. If they can flagrantly abuse the front office $SMS cap, why have one t all?
Quote from: theaardvark on August 21, 2024, 03:50:18 PMThinking about it, I;m pretty sure the EDM buyout closed the books on Jones/Edm. They eat the $SMS regardless what he gets paid elsewhere. If the contract was being paid out, different story, but IIRC, he was bought out.
Him "working for free" in Ham is bogus. If they can flagrantly abuse the front office $SMS cap, why have one t all?
If you can convince someone to work for free how could that be 'flagrant abuse' of the cap?
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 21, 2024, 02:58:52 PMApparently, he's working for free for Hammy because the HC money is more than the DC money. That's why his title isn't DC.
Wow!! Holy rule circumvention and reaming of EDM batman!
Quote from: theaardvark on August 21, 2024, 03:50:18 PMHim "working for free" in Ham is bogus. If they can flagrantly abuse the front office $SMS cap, why have one t all?
Ya, one would think the league would want to close this loophole. I guess they never envisioned a high-up taking a demotion job somewhere else? Not many GM/HC people go back to being DC. The only one I can think of recently is Benevides (HC->DC). I guess Reinbold too?
It must doubly-sting in EDM that they are paying, what, $750k to give HAM a "D assistant" for free?! Since I'm not an EDM fan, I can laugh a bit at it, but if I was an EDM fan I'd be livid.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 21, 2024, 11:46:00 PMIt must doubly-sting in EDM that they are paying, what, $750k to give HAM a "D assistant" for free?! Since I'm not an EDM fan, I can laugh a bit at it, but if I was an EDM fan I'd be livid.
Nah. The good folks of Alberta are used to paying for the benefit of the East. SMH