Can we replicate the effort of our last game?
BC is not the same team without VA...can we come out not sleepy and full of mistakes to start the game ?
Focus has still been an issue and usually bye weeks can cause some slumber first game back.
The road to the playoffs starts Sunday night.
BC secondary also banged up after this one. We'll see who can go and what they're going to do at safety. Back to an import?
Agree road to playoffs start now. Bombers know there is no more room for error. They must win this game to close the gap
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2024, 01:29:07 AMCan we replicate the effort of our last game?
BC is not the same team without VA...can we come out not sleepy and full of mistakes to start the game ?
Focus has still been an issue and usually bye weeks can cause some slumber first game back.
The road to the playoffs starts Sunday night.
Hell yes. For the most part the Bombers got the results they wanted over the last 2 weeks to do some good damage in the West if they can continue to win.
Hey how about a road victory!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 12, 2024, 02:02:19 AMHell yes. For the most part the Bombers got the results they wanted over the last 2 weeks to do some good damage in the West if they can continue to win.
Hey how about a road victory!
I think this bye week is exactly what the Bombers needed. The team will be rested and is getting healthy, Lawler could be back, D is playing great. MOS will have them ready. One game at a time. Just win, baby.
BC opened the upper deck
Our D and O are better, especially considering injuries on their end
Will be an excellent game
Tomorrow we should get some some injury and roster updates. Never know, might see a couple of new faces added to the roster.
Surprisingly no practice tomorrow according to the pinned post.
BC suffered at least 4 starter injuries in today's game vs the Elks. 3 on defence and one on offence if I recall correctly (only saw the second half of that game on the tube). Now if it's just for this game they were sat or going forward for a few games, but in any case they are running into the injury troubles the Bombers had to start the season.
Calgary can't win on the road at all (Bombers need to solve that too), Sask I still think is a mirage and have just flukily run into teams with the starting qb down or not playing to potential. The wake up call for Sask comes over this second half of the season if they are legit or pretenders.
Elks even in the playoff mix too. One of the craziest western playoff races in decades probably where everyone could either finish first or last place in the western division!! :)
Quote from: Pigskin on August 12, 2024, 03:46:11 AMTomorrow we should get some some injury and roster updates. Never know, might see a couple of new faces added to the roster.
We probably dont hear any Bomber news until Tuesday morning unless they announce Bailey is signed.
I expect the Bombers will have an extra day of practice coming off the bye so they should be on the field on Tuesday.
The Lions have a regular week between games so their practice week will probably start Wednesday.
The Bombers need to win a road game. They're coming off a bye and should be healthier.
The Lions are banged up but they'll be fired up to right the ship after back-to-back losses.
Should be a gooder this week!
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 12, 2024, 01:53:42 PMThe Bombers need to win a road game. They're coming off a bye and should be healthier.
The Lions are banged up but they'll be fired up to right the ship after back-to-back losses.
Should be a gooder this week!
I agree with this. But, we all saw how flat BC was coming off there bye week, playing a beat up tired Bomber team. Will see what the boys look like tomorrow at practice.
BC fans are upset. They're crying for Rourke back.
Quote from: J5V on August 12, 2024, 03:43:47 PMBC fans are upset. They're crying for Rourke back.
:D
Quote from: J5V on August 12, 2024, 03:43:47 PMBC fans are upset. They're crying for Rourke back.
turning on the predicted MOP of 2024 already?? Poor VAJ - gets hurt and they are out to replace him.
Man, what a boost it would be to see Lawler practicing this week (not that I want to put a bunch of expectations on him too early after coming back). Hopefully he can just stay healthy the rest of the year.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2024, 04:10:54 PMturning on the predicted MOP of 2024 already?? Poor VAJ - gets hurt and they are out to replace him.
No different than how some turned on Zach on here. I like the long game on both.
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Quote from: The Zipp on August 12, 2024, 04:10:54 PMturning on the predicted MOP of 2024 already?? Poor VAJ - gets hurt and they are out to replace him.
There are calls for Rick Campbells head too.
From the Bombers:
The team will return to practice tomorrow morning, 11:30am-12:45pm, at Princess Auto Stadium. Tomorrow's practice is open to the public.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 12, 2024, 05:19:57 PMNo different than how some turned on Zach on here. I like the long game on both.
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So arrive after kick off? :D
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-blue-bombers-ontaria-wilson-1.7292594
We maybe facing Rourke next game.
https://3downnation.com/2024/08/13/hes-back-nathan-rourke-returns-to-b-c-lions/
Way too soon but never say never I guess.
Sounds like he will practice today with the team...guess ol VAJ is odd man out once he returns from injury.
Willie you are up - crush this bum!! I was cheering for the guy in the NFL but that is over now...
BC practices Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. He'll get a full week in. My guess is he plays Sunday.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2024, 03:44:52 PMBC practices Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. He'll get a full week in. My guess is he plays Sunday.
He should be in game shape, playbook and timing might be a challenge but honestly he will be way better than Dolegala.
VAJ take a backup role or gets traded to Hamilton?
Quote from: The Zipp on August 13, 2024, 03:48:40 PMHe should be in game shape, playbook and timing might be a challenge but honestly he will be way better than Dolegala.
VAJ take a backup role or gets traded to Hamilton?
I assume they'll have to release Vernon Adams when healthy. Rourke probably set the ceiling for QBs in the CFL with the deal he just signed. Maybe he gets traded I suppose but if he does it won't be for the haul anyone thinks.
According to Farhan Lalji, Rourke signed a 3 year deal through the 2026 season.
Several sources stating that deal was structured to allow VA to remain with Lions - don't expect him to be traded.
VA will want to be a starter, no chance he sits around on the bench.
Blue Bombers Transactions - August 13, 2024
WINNIPEG, MB., August 13, 2024 – The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the following transactions:
Released from practice roster:
American receiver Ravi Alston
Quote from: DCM on August 13, 2024, 04:04:11 PMVA will want to be a starter, no chance he sits around on the bench.
He has no choice while he's under contract. Probably an off season discussion.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 13, 2024, 04:02:18 PMAccording to Farhan Lalji, Rourke signed a 3 year deal through the 2026 season.
Several sources stating that deal was structured to allow VA to remain with Lions - don't expect him to be traded.
I suppose he could have taken a lower and pro-rated salary for 2024. Regardless this is likely to have some trickle down effect on their roster in 2025 if not this year.
Lions say Adams won't be traded but that may be smoke and mirrors that could change in 2025?
Only 2 practices this week? What the heck?
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 13, 2024, 04:04:39 PMBlue Bombers Transactions - August 13, 2024
WINNIPEG, MB., August 13, 2024 – The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announce the following transactions:
Released from practice roster:
American receiver Ravi Alston
The first domino to fall if we think Lawler might be back?
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 04:22:06 PMOnly 2 practices this week? What the heck?
MOS talked about this a bit in one of the coaches shows. They handle bye weeks differently depending on when they occur in the season.
Because our bye weeks are later in the season, the guys probably wont be "allowed" to travel in later byes. They'll be expected to be pretty dialed in to prepare for play-offs. So the team probably gave them the maximum amount of time possible this time around because it'll be their only opportunity.
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 13, 2024, 04:33:58 PMThe first domino to fall if we think Lawler might be back?
Lawler is back. It's just about how fast he gets into game shape to make the active roster.
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 13, 2024, 04:33:58 PMThe first domino to fall if we think Lawler might be back?
Even as a decoy he will be a valuable asset added to the roster. Also expecting Haba to be added but I'm not sure what decision they will make to delete someone. If Ayers is injured, that's a short term solution for this week.
We don't have another import LB on the PR or available from the IR at the moment.
Quote from: Jesse on August 13, 2024, 04:36:20 PMMOS talked about this a bit in one of the coaches shows. They handle bye weeks differently depending on when they occur in the season.
Because our bye weeks are later in the season, the guys probably wont be "allowed" to travel in later byes. They'll be expected to be pretty dialed in to prepare for play-offs. So the team probably gave them the maximum amount of time possible this time around because it'll be their only opportunity.
That's just word salad from MOS. They need to win this game and the season series. Potentially they may now be facing Rourke as the starter or as # 2 QB.
If they do lose, playoffs may be a pipe dream.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 04:40:37 PMThat's just word salad from MOS. They need to win this game and the season series. Potentially they may now be facing Rourke as the starter or as # 2 QB.
If they do lose, playoffs may be a pipe dream.
I don't even know that you mean by word salad in this context. He wasn't talking around the issue without answering the question; he gave us insight into how the team always handles the bye weeks and when they allow players to have more or less personal time beyond the league mandated minimum.
Quote from: Jesse on August 13, 2024, 04:15:30 PMHe has no choice while he's under contract. Probably an off season discussion.
Players have forced their way out of teams before and will continue again.
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The @Wpg_BlueBombers return after the bye week. WR Kenny Lawler, DE Celestin Haba, WR Keric Wheatfall all back in gear for practice
Quote from: DCM on August 13, 2024, 04:45:23 PMPlayers have forced their way out of teams before and will continue again.
He has no leverage. They can't afford him next year and he will have to be moved. But no reason they can't keep him around for the rest of this season.
It is really ***** for him though.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 04:40:37 PMThat's just word salad from MOS. They need to win this game and the season series. Potentially they may now be facing Rourke as the starter or as # 2 QB.
If they do lose, playoffs may be a pipe dream.
I would have thought the home and home with Regina and Edmonton might have something to do with it but it's good to know it all comes down to Sunday.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 04:22:06 PMOnly 2 practices this week? What the heck?
O'Shea will get them to run the stairs at BC Place prior to the game to make up for it.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2024, 05:17:12 PMI would have thought the home and home with Regina and Edmonton might have something to do with it but it's good to know it all comes down to Sunday.
It doesn't all come down to the game against the Lions but it's fairly clear the margin for error is not good. We can't continue to lose ground.
Beating the Riders twice is not a given. So we need to win the series against more than just the Stamps to improve our odds.
Quote from: Jesse on August 13, 2024, 04:44:31 PMI don't even know that you mean by word salad in this context. He wasn't talking around the issue without answering the question; he gave us insight into how the team always handles the bye weeks and when they allow players to have more or less personal time beyond the league mandated minimum.
He's just being politically correct.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 05:21:08 PMHe's just being politically correct.
How is he being "politically" correct? Are you suggesting that he's prioritizing a nice vacation for the players over winning on Sunday and then selling it as sunshine? Or what?
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2024, 05:34:23 PMHow is he being "politically" correct? Are you suggesting that he's prioritizing a nice vacation for the players over winning on Sunday and then selling it as sunshine? Or what?
I'm saying you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt. A big grain of salt. 16 days was a nice vacation. 17 is nicer but was it really necessary to shorten the practice week by an extra day?
We played on Aug 1 and the game this week on the 18th.
If anybody asks him about whether Lawler or Haba will play this week, we'll we expect to get anything besides " we'll see ".
He's evasive and not transparent.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 05:40:41 PMI'm saying you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt. A big grain of salt. 16 days was a nice vacation. 17 is nicer but was it really necessary to shorten the practice week by an extra day?
We played on Aug 1 and the game this week on the 18th.
If anybody asks him about whether Lawler or Haba will play this week, we'll we expect to get anything besides " we'll see ".
He's evasive and not transparent.
Hahah the nerve of him! -- is it the horror of not knowing that consumes you? Or you think good coaches tell the fans their lineup choices a week before the game? It would be an excellent coaching move for the Lions to announce their QB starter today, if asked by the media, or do I have that wrong?
Start a thread about the weather if you want to complain about nonsense.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 05:40:41 PMI'm saying you have to take anything he says with a grain of salt. A big grain of salt. 16 days was a nice vacation. 17 is nicer but was it really necessary to shorten the practice week by an extra day?
We played on Aug 1 and the game this week on the 18th.
If anybody asks him about whether Lawler or Haba will play this week, we'll we expect to get anything besides " we'll see ".
He's evasive and not transparent.
Kind of goes against what they were promoting before the bye, which was for players to remain tuned in during the break.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 13, 2024, 05:53:51 PMHahah the nerve of him! -- is it the horror of not knowing that consumes you? Or you think good coaches tell the fans their lineup choices a week before the game? It would be an excellent coaching move for the Lions to announce their QB starter today, if asked by the media, or do I have that wrong?
Start a thread about the weather if you want to complain about nonsense.
He's more evasive about that than other coaches. Example: Redblacks announced Masoli would start this week. They didn't wait until the day before the game. It's not like anybody expected Brown to be ready to play this week.
Riders announced that Harris is back practising. No expectation he will start but a specific statement.
That's not what we hear from MOS.
If you're good with that, fine. I'd like a little more transparency.
Until the CFL mandates that coaches have to reveal a lot more information, MOS being as close to the chest as he is, is his choice and has been for pretty much his whole tenure and he isn't going to change that any time soon, if ever.
At the end of the day, the very little amount of information that your opponent has about anything is better, regardless whether small or big.
So who sits for Lawler?...talk on twitter is Whitehead which I don't agree with at all...should be Johnson getting the bench.
Lawler back on the active roster and Lucky has been removed.
As per Doug Brown and Derek Taylor reports.
Will Rourke be ready to play on Sunday? Sounds like he's taking 1st. team reps.
https://3downnation.com/2024/08/13/winnipeg-blue-bombers-release-receiver-ravi-alston/
Quote from: The Zipp on August 13, 2024, 06:36:07 PMSo who sits for Lawler?...talk on twitter is Whitehead which I don't agree with at all...should be Johnson getting the bench.
I also agree, Johnson to the PR. Lucky gave our O a big spark last game.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 13, 2024, 06:47:38 PMWill Rourke be ready to play on Sunday? Sounds like he's taking 1st. team reps.
Campbell has already admitted that it's likely going to be Rourke. His first practice will be tomorrow.
Quote from: Jesse on August 13, 2024, 07:12:34 PMCampbell has already admitted that it's likely going to be Rourke. His first practice will be tomorrow.
Rick Campbell to Global News: "Knowing Nathan Rourke, I think he'll be playing Sunday."
Stated once again that VA will remain a big part of the team and the club wants to make 2024 the best that it can be. Future bridges will be crossed when it's over.
Nice of Campbell to tell us but we would have prepared for Rourke anyway. Bring it on!
My predication is that we will feast, Hall knows how to beat Rourke
Quote from: Ridermania on August 13, 2024, 06:36:15 PMLawler back on the active roster and Lucky has been removed.
As per Doug Brown and Derek Taylor reports.
this makes no sense. last game whitehead not only made plays but opened up things for other receivers. We saw what speed does against BC in the elks game with Leake. Once again this is O'Shea having a mancrush on a player (Johnson)
99% of the fans feel that Johnson isn't the answer, but I guess O'Shea has to show he's smarter than everyone.
Quote from: Ridermania on August 13, 2024, 06:36:15 PMLawler back on the active roster and Lucky has been removed.
As per Doug Brown and Derek Taylor reports.
That's a bit surprising. OTOH, Johnson has been on the roster and in camp much longer.
Lawler will be another speed guy and will stretch the defence for other receivers.
Quote from: Pete on August 13, 2024, 09:37:11 PMthis makes no sense. last game whitehead not only made plays but opened up things for other receivers. We saw what speed does against BC in the elks game with Leake. Once again this is O'Shea having a mancrush on a player (Johnson)
99% of the fans feel that Johnson isn't the answer, but I guess O'Shea has to show he's smarter than everyone.
Interesting decision from the Bombers if that's true. Which is it then:
1) The Bombers think Johnson is better straight up than Lucky Whitehead (I find that a little hard to believe).
2) The Bombers are thinking longer term and believe playing Johnson this year is important for his development.
On point 2,
Except that we are currently in a nonplayoff spot, and based on what I've seen Johnson hasn't shown much potential. Its unlikely he would make our roster even next year
Quote from: Ridermania on August 13, 2024, 06:36:15 PMLawler back on the active roster and Lucky has been removed.
As per Doug Brown and Derek Taylor reports.
That was just spectulation on Brown's part.
Case is the odd man out as he's been moved to the practice roster. Looks like Lucky will be returning kicks.
Adams has also been moved to the practice roster to make room for Haba.
Quote from: Pete on August 13, 2024, 09:59:15 PMOn point 2,
Except that we are currently in a nonplayoff spot, and based on what I've seen Johnson hasn't shown much potential. Its unlikely he would make our roster even next year
I think the opposite. He has a ton of potential. He just hasn't realized much of it yet. The Bombers obviously are betting he will.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 13, 2024, 10:00:45 PMThat was just spectulation on Brown's part.
Case is the odd man out as he's been moved to the practice roster. Looks like Lucky will be returning kicks.
Adams has also been moved to the practice roster to make room for Haba.
All of that makes sense.
Whitehead as the fulltime returner? Most of his work has been on K/O's not punt returns IIRC. He does have speed but we'll see how that goes.
Sorry to see Adams getting bumped but something had to happen in order to get him on the AR.
In theory that means Ayers won't be moved to IR this week and we have that depth at LB. He's quite good on ST's.
I would have thought preferred Johnson to be bumped instead of Case. That said, with Lawler back that may open him up more and he may be more effective. I thought he hasn't played that badly but he's no Lawler or Schoen.
It does make more sense, I should know by now that early speculation is just that
But to be honest I still don't get Johnson in the lineup
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 13, 2024, 09:43:11 PMThat's a bit surprising. OTOH, Johnson has been on the roster and in camp much longer.
Lawler will be another speed guy and will stretch the defence for other receivers.
I hope that Lawler is so hungry that he just feasts on BC's D-backs. They are likely to double cover him so the rest of the guys better be ready.
Quote from: J5V on August 13, 2024, 10:15:24 PMI hope that Lawler is so hungry that he just feasts on BC's D-backs. They are likely to double cover him so the rest of the guys better be ready.
Lions had some injuries on defence in their last game. A couple in their secondary that may be limited if they can play at all.
Regardless I think we win this game whether Rourke plays or not. At best he's going to be rusty. Wider CFL field will take adjusting to for a few games. He has the arm strength but timing and extra width may hurt him in a short week.
Bombers talk about Rourke (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHDtk06UhBY)
Johnson has shown flashes and has earned his right to keep a spot
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 14, 2024, 12:00:30 AMJohnson has shown flashes and has earned his right to keep a spot
yeah there are only 56 receivers that have more yards than him in the league
Quote from: Pete on August 14, 2024, 12:08:07 AMyeah there are only 56 receivers that have more yards than him in the league
Johnson has shown flashes and has earned his position on this team.
From the Bombers:
Tomorrow's practice runs 11:30am-12:50pm at Princess Auto Stadium. Open to the public.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 14, 2024, 12:22:55 AMJohnson has shown flashes and has earned his position on this team.
And Whitehead hasn't?? Lucky strikes fear in the defenses eyes, Johnson trips over his own 2 feet on a jet sweep!! Did so last game. Lucky can also return punts and kicks better than anyone in our lineup. Absolutely no comparison who should be in and who should be out.
But that's ok, we'll have time to go to the fridge when it's Cases's turn to return punts now.
I still think we can beat the Lions even with Rourke potentially starting this week. I'd rather face Dolegala but if we have to face Rourke so be it.
Quote from: dd on August 14, 2024, 01:26:11 AMAnd Whitehead hasn't?? Lucky strikes fear in the defenses eyes, Johnson trips over his own 2 feet on a jet sweep!! Did so last game. Lucky can also return punts and kicks better than anyone in our lineup. Absolutely no comparison who should be in and who should be out.
But that's ok, we'll have time to go to the fridge when it's Cases's turn to return punts now.
Lucky is in, Case is out sounds like.
I think Case gives us our best chance to win the special teams battle, but let's see how Whitehead does there. He is getting a little old to return punts...
Devin Adams should be on the active roster over Woods in my opinion. He's shown more so far this season, and is one of our top guys at pressuring the QB.
Well, according to the CFL pundits, with the news of Nathan Rourke's return, we are the underdogs for the Lions game. I guess, as the saying goes, "We have the Lions right where we want them"...
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/13/prediction-time-cfl-ca-writers-week-11-picks-3/
....and then there is this...
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/lalji-i-think-the-lions-locker-room-is-conflicted-but-not-divided-1.2161953
Quote from: Pete on August 13, 2024, 09:59:15 PMOn point 2,
Except that we are currently in a nonplayoff spot, and based on what I've seen Johnson hasn't shown much potential. Its unlikely he would make our roster even next year
Exactly, things certainly haven't gone according to plan this year and Lucky provided a great kick start to the offence last game and even got them into the endzone which has been a rare occurrence. Reward Lucky and reward the fans, who have once again embraced him. Josh Johnson is welcome to try again next year.
If lucky is on the roster even as a returner he can still rotate into the game as a receiver. It would be a huge mistake to PR him - glad they aren't doing that
I'm fine with it because I think we are improved in two areas. Lucky as returner and Lawler at receiver. Has Case done more than Johnson? It's got to be one of the two staying.
Having needed to add an import OL at RG changed our ratio a bit. If not for that we could have kept both of Case and Whitehead.
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 14, 2024, 05:35:04 AM....and then there is this...
https://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/lalji-i-think-the-lions-locker-room-is-conflicted-but-not-divided-1.2161953
That's fair. VAJ has been good for them.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 14, 2024, 12:22:55 AMJohnson has shown flashes and has earned his position on this team.
So, Johnson or Lawler? Kinda think Lawler has earned the spot if healthy.
Case is the returner, Lucky might be more explosive, but Case "has earned his position on this team".
No did to Johnson, and he could be the next Washington, he's here for a reason. But he's not on the roster except for injuries, and when those injuries heal, well...
Case may have been a slight improvement over Smith, et al, but he hasn't looked at all dangerous. At best, he catches the ball cleanly and does what he can. Perhaps that's more important than the ability to take it to the house. But I'd have no problem trying Lucky out to see if he's lost a step. We're at the bottom of the league for both KR and PR average, so it can't get much worse (assuming we don't fumble). So I don't think Case has "earned a spot".
Johnson hasn't lit it up. But every time I watch him, he looks like he's a pretty tenacious blocker. So there's that. He could be a poor-man's Rasheed Bailey.
When we activate Lawler, both of them would be a prime candidate for the PR in my opinion.
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 14, 2024, 03:00:06 PMCase may have been a slight improvement over Smith, et al, but he hasn't looked at all dangerous. At best, he catches the ball cleanly and does what he can. Perhaps that's more important than the ability to take it to the house. But I'd have no problem trying Lucky out to see if he's lost a step. We're at the bottom of the league for both KR and PR average, so it can't get much worse (assuming we don't fumble). So I don't think Case has "earned a spot".
Johnson hasn't lit it up. But every time I watch him, he looks like he's a pretty tenacious blocker. So there's that. He could be a poor-man's Rasheed Bailey.
When we activate Lawler, both of them would be a prime candidate for the PR in my opinion.
That's why Johnson is on the roster rather than Case.
I think if they had given Case the opportunity that they gave Johnson, he would have done a better job of making a play on those screens and short routes. But maybe he just isn't as good of a blocker. They do have the same measurables so it's not like Johnson is the big body that can run guys over. I think he's just a really skilled blocker.
Hopefully his receiving reps can go to Whitehead though...
Quote from: theaardvark on August 14, 2024, 02:34:57 PMSo, Johnson or Lawler? Kinda think Lawler has earned the spot if healthy.
Case is the returner, Lucky might be more explosive, but Case "has earned his position on this team".
No did to Johnson, and he could be the next Washington, he's here for a reason. But he's not on the roster except for injuries, and when those injuries heal, well...
Lawler is on
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 14, 2024, 03:00:06 PMCase may have been a slight improvement over Smith, et al, but he hasn't looked at all dangerous. At best, he catches the ball cleanly and does what he can. Perhaps that's more important than the ability to take it to the house. But I'd have no problem trying Lucky out to see if he's lost a step. We're at the bottom of the league for both KR and PR average, so it can't get much worse (assuming we don't fumble). So I don't think Case has "earned a spot".
Johnson hasn't lit it up. But every time I watch him, he looks like he's a pretty tenacious blocker. So there's that. He could be a poor-man's Rasheed Bailey.
When we activate Lawler, both of them would be a prime candidate for the PR in my opinion.
awesome didn't notice his blocking! :)
Quote from: LXTSN on August 14, 2024, 03:28:28 PMThat's why Johnson is on the roster rather than Case.
I think if they had given Case the opportunity that they gave Johnson, he would have done a better job of making a play on those screens and short routes. But maybe he just isn't as good of a blocker. They do have the same measurables so it's not like Johnson is the big body that can run guys over. I think he's just a really skilled blocker.
Hopefully his receiving reps can go to Whitehead though...
I bet we see Johnson and Whitehead rotate, can't wear out Lucky with too many reps and we need to keep the old man healthy ;)
It sounded like the Bombers did practice yesterday from the MOS news conference. I thought they were only practising starting today.
As usual no specific statement on whether Lawler or Haba will play. OTOH, I think there is a good chance based on the earlier movements of players to the PR.
Adams being moved clears room for Haba on the AR and he practices last week. OTOH, Lawler will just start practising this week. So expected but not definitive yet.
Taking Case out and moving Whitehead to returner and not full time receiver does " suggest" we're adding Lawler IMO.
This is not really a concern, but what happens when Wheatfall is back healthy? Does Whitehead or Johnson come out for him? He played really well in his only showing.
BC Lions:
We have released American quarterbacks Brennan Armstrong and Jake Dolegala from the roster.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 14, 2024, 04:38:11 PMBC Lions:
We have released American quarterbacks Brennan Armstrong and Jake Dolegala from the roster.
Wow. Harsh.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 14, 2024, 04:40:13 PMWow. Harsh.
Well that certainly means Rourke will be starting. Adams is # 3 this week. There is no chance we see their previously # 3 ( Brice ) starting.
Cutting Dolegala saves some SMS although I don't think he was getting more than maybe $110K-$120K?
From 3DownNation:
13) Jake Dolegala, B.C. Lions (A)
Hard money: $110,800
Maximum value: $172,800
The 27-year-old earned a $15,000 signing bonus when he joined the Lions in free agency along with $82,000 in base salary and $13,800 in housing. He can earn $3,055.55 each time he takes more than half B.C.'s offensive snaps in a regular season game along with $3,000 if he's named a West Division all-star and $4,000 if he's named a CFL all-star.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 14, 2024, 04:58:10 PMFrom 3DownNation:
13) Jake Dolegala, B.C. Lions (A)
Hard money: $110,800
Maximum value: $172,800
The 27-year-old earned a $15,000 signing bonus when he joined the Lions in free agency along with $82,000 in base salary and $13,800 in housing. He can earn $3,055.55 each time he takes more than half B.C.'s offensive snaps in a regular season game along with $3,000 if he's named a West Division all-star and $4,000 if he's named a CFL all-star.
So he was earning about $25K more than on an ELC as his base salary. With 9 games left the Lions save about $10K for the balance of the season. Not a lot but the signing bonus was already a hit to the SMS cap.
At least he gets a chance to sign elsewhere if a team needs another QB with a little experience. Lots of QB injuries this season with no clear answer on how long a few will be gone ( Brown and Ford to name a couple ).
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 14, 2024, 05:20:42 PMSo he was earning about $25K more than on an ELC as his base salary. With 9 games left the Lions save about $10K for the balance of the season. Not a lot but the signing bonus was already a hit to the SMS cap.
At least he gets a chance to sign elsewhere if a team needs another QB with a little experience. Lots of QB injuries this season with no clear answer on how long a few will be gone ( Brown and Ford to name a couple ).
We knew they had to make a couple moves to fit Rourke's salary into there cap space.
Quote from: DM83 on August 14, 2024, 07:01:39 PMWho cares?
So they are over?
The loss of a first round draft pick?
What happened to the Bombers pick from last year? Is he even on the PR?
So they are over the cap? Not much to sign a future star
Every fan should care if they are over by a large amount. The purpose of the SMS is to create a level playing field. Having a billionaire owner that could abuse that is not a good situation.
Not every team has the financial ability to spend more the than the cap in a substantive way and just pay the fines.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 14, 2024, 03:44:50 PMIt sounded like the Bombers did practice yesterday from the MOS news conference. I thought they were only practising starting today.
As usual no specific statement on whether Lawler or Haba will play. OTOH, I think there is a good chance based on the earlier movements of players to the PR.
Adams being moved clears room for Haba on the AR and he practices last week. OTOH, Lawler will just start practising this week. So expected but not definitive yet.
Taking Case out and moving Whitehead to returner and not full time receiver does " suggest" we're adding Lawler IMO.
Short practice yesterday and today also. Lawler WILL start. He looked very good. Hungry and healthy. And anyone who thinks Lucky cannot return kicks anymore is in for a surprise. He has not one but two gears more than what Case has shown me so far. On his second step he's full speed, like a cannon when he sees his opening.
Also where was Sergio? Not at practice. Sheahan did a few field goals, poorly I might add. We know his limit now is 35 and trajectory just seemed too low. Didn't seem to take it seriously, clowning after a miss. Strev was the holder.
Bye week really seems to have helped Brandon Alexander, he ran better than I have seen all year. Jefferson seemed better too. Overall we are getting healthy at the right time. The secondary had picks and knockdowns galore.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 14, 2024, 05:20:42 PMSo he was earning about $25K more than on an ELC as his base salary. With 9 games left the Lions save about $10K for the balance of the season. Not a lot but the signing bonus was already a hit to the SMS cap.
At least he gets a chance to sign elsewhere if a team needs another QB with a little experience. Lots of QB injuries this season with no clear answer on how long a few will be gone ( Brown and Ford to name a couple ).
As I see the numbers:
110,800 - Salary
- 15,000 - Bonus (Already Paid)
= 95,800
1/2 of the season's gone, so they'll save 1/2 * $95,800 or $47,900 for the rest of the year.
He won't be replaced by anyone other than Rourke, so the amount over the ELC doesn't mean anything.
Man, how would you feel if you're VA jr? On top of the world one minute after lighting it up and leading your team to first place in the West, then you get injured and the backup, Dolegala gets your reps, then you find out the club has gone out and signed a superstar QB and suddenly you're the backup.
Maybe VA isn't like this but me? I'd be pissed! I'd be demanding a trade.
He's a proven starting QB who arguably is one of the best in the league. Can't imagine he would settle for a #2 job indefinitely. If he doesn't ask for a trade I'd be shocked.
Quote from: J5V on August 14, 2024, 10:29:34 PMMan, how would you feel if you're VA jr? On top of the world one minute after lighting it up and leading your team to first place in the West, then you get injured and the backup, Dolegala gets your reps, then you find out the club has gone out and signed a superstar QB and suddenly you're the backup.
Maybe VA isn't like this but me? I'd be pissed! I'd be demanding a trade.
V.A. may have led teams towards first place but he's never maintained it or accomplished the goal. I see 2 maybe 3 teams having an interest in him as a starter, he's highly skilled but in the end he's more flash than substance.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GU9-VyIXIAAIRtY?format=jpg&name=small)
CFL Injury Reports, Week 11:
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/11/cfl-injury-reports-week-11/
Quote from: J5V on August 14, 2024, 10:29:34 PMMan, how would you feel if you're VA jr? On top of the world one minute after lighting it up and leading your team to first place in the West, then you get injured and the backup, Dolegala gets your reps, then you find out the club has gone out and signed a superstar QB and suddenly you're the backup.
Maybe VA isn't like this but me? I'd be pissed! I'd be demanding a trade.
How would you feel if your Dolegala, he was the backup, thrust into the #1 job while Adams was hurt, and now he's cut!! Cold business...
Quote from: dd on August 14, 2024, 11:05:11 PMHow would you feel if your Dolegala, he was the backup, thrust into the #1 job while Adams was hurt, and now he's cut!! Cold business...
Dang!
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 14, 2024, 10:19:08 PMAs I see the numbers:
110,800 - Salary
- 15,000 - Bonus (Already Paid)
= 95,800
1/2 of the season's gone, so they'll save 1/2 * $95,800 or $47,900 for the rest of the year.
He won't be replaced by anyone other than Rourke, so the amount over the ELC doesn't mean anything.
They cut him instead of their # 3 QB that would have been on an ELC. So that's where the savings come from. Obviously the cost for their QB group has gone up.
Quote from: gobombersgo on August 14, 2024, 10:57:07 PMCFL Injury Reports, Week 11:
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/11/cfl-injury-reports-week-11/
It's early but the Lions have a bunch of injuries from their last game. Some may not be able to play this week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 14, 2024, 11:21:05 PMThey cut him instead of their # 3 QB that would have been on an ELC. So that's where the savings come from. Obviously the cost for their QB group has gone up.
They're still saving $47,900.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 14, 2024, 11:22:30 PMIt's early but the Lions have a bunch of injuries from their last game. Some may not be able to play this week.
Yes and even with Rourke losing Hollins is going to hurt. That's like us losing Lawler.
I thought I saw that Keric Wheatfall was back at full practice. Does anyone know if he is also back? If he is, this receiving corps is starting to look very nasty with Lawler, Demski, Wilson, Wheatfall, Clercius, Johnson, Whitehead, etc. I bet Zach likes it!
Quote from: J5V on August 14, 2024, 11:35:38 PMI thought I saw that Keric Wheatfall was back at full practice. Does anyone know if he is also back? If he is, this receiving corps is starting to look very nasty with Lawler, Demski, Wilson, Wheatfall, Clercius, Johnson, Whitehead, etc. I bet Zach likes it!
Doesnt sound like he will be back this week.
From Derek Taylor yesterday:
WR
Keric Wheatfall is doing some running at practice. His 6 games on the injured list are up.
With two practice roster spots available (possibly Wheatfall and whoever comes off for Haba, if he's ready).
Quote from: J5V on August 14, 2024, 11:25:23 PMYes and even with Rourke losing Hollins is going to hurt. That's like us losing Lawler.
Hollins might be hot and cold.
Saw him drop one right to him, nobody near him. Kind of disappeared after some big games.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 14, 2024, 11:22:30 PMIt's early but the Lions have a bunch of injuries from their last game. Some may not be able to play this week.
they played edmonton last week who have impressed me with the physicality they show.
Quote from: J5V on August 13, 2024, 10:15:24 PMI hope that Lawler is so hungry that he just feasts on BC's D-backs. They are likely to double cover him so the rest of the guys better be ready.
BC won't double-cover anyone until Zach shows he can reliably make them pay with the deep ball. So this is as much a function of our OL and QB.
Quote from: markf on August 15, 2024, 12:00:04 AMHollins might be hot and cold.
Saw him drop one right to him, nobody near him. Kind of disappeared after some big games.
Hollins has been useless the last few games, after a hot start to the season. Just like E.Lewis in EDM. Total disappointments from guys making top-5 $$$. Fantasy players will know what I'm talking about...
Aug 14 MOS presser on bb.com: he's still got that sniffles that was clobbering him in the last game 1.5 weeks ago. Weird.
Hladik is another player injured that the Lions hope can play. We'll have to see which of the DNP's start to participate in practice as the week progresses.
That said we're getting healthy and the Lions are starting to have injuries rack up.
Lot's of discussions since TC about short practice and lack of play in pre season. I expect that to be evident with Rourke on Sunday. A few practices after nearly 2 years off and will show the rust.
I predict he throws up 2 int's and Willie has 2 knockdowns. Bonds and Holm get the pics.
Man games lost due to injury.
B.C. Lions — 64 man games lost (7.1 per game)Ottawa Redblacks — 69 man games lost (8.6 per game)Edmonton Elks — 81 man games lost (9.0 per game)Saskatchewan Roughriders — 86 man games lost (9.6 per game)
Winnipeg Blue Bombers — 87 man games lost (9.7 per game)
Montreal Alouettes — 91 man games lost (10.1 per game)
Hamilton Tiger-Cats — 92 man games lost (10.2 per game)
Calgary Stampeders — 100 man games lost (11.1 per game)
Toronto Argonauts — 100 man games lost (11.1 per game)
I'm surprised that we're in the middle of the pack.From: https://3downnation.com/2024/08/15/which-cfl-team-has-had-the-most-injuries-so-far-in-2024/
I'm surprised you used four different font formats for that post.
OK, now do the same chart only counting starters/projected staters... I bet it changes quite a bit.
Just play D like we played them last game....Shut out ball is rare but I know we have their no. and expect to limit them and play our game...Rourke or no Rourke...Lawler being back will give them all kinds of fits and I'm really liking our receiving corps and IF Zack can play like we know he can, we'll be in good shape
Quote from: blueraid on August 15, 2024, 04:56:11 PMJust play D like we played them last game....Shut out ball is rare but I know we have their no. and expect to limit them and play our game...Rourke or no Rourke...Lawler being back will give them all kinds of fits and I'm really liking our receiving corps and IF Zack can play like we know he can, we'll be in good shape
Agree, the way to beat BC is to keep Rourke off the field by chewing up the clock with our running game and getting into the end zone instead of kicking FGs. I believe our defense can hang with any other teams offense. That shutout was no fluke.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 15, 2024, 04:37:25 PMOK, now do the same chart only counting starters/projected staters... I bet it changes quite a bit.
I didn't do it, it's from: https://3downnation.com/2024/08/15/which-cfl-team-has-had-the-most-injuries-so-far-in-2024/
In the last game both the defence and offence played a big part in the victory.
Obviously holding a team to 4 1st downs is going to win the game.
Although the Bombers didn't score a lot, when the defence got the Lions off the field, our offence held onto the ball and had long time consuming marches. I'd like to see more TD's than FG's this week, but the previous formula works as well.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 15, 2024, 04:34:29 PMI'm surprised you used four different font formats for that post.
If you got the Font! Use Em! :D
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 15, 2024, 04:12:59 PMMan games lost due to injury.
I'm surprised that we're in the middle of the pack.
From: https://3downnation.com/2024/08/15/which-cfl-team-has-had-the-most-injuries-so-far-in-2024/
It doesn't measure how many we had playing at noticeably less than 100% at the same time we had injury replacements. I am sure we were the most beat up team in the league for first half. Stats are fine but as Yogi says "you can observe a lot just by watching".
2nd day of practice for the Lions and still lots of starters listed as DNP.
Lions Injury Report:
https://www.bclions.com/injuryreport/
Quote from: Jesse on August 15, 2024, 09:58:43 PMLions Injury Report:
https://www.bclions.com/injuryreport/
3 starters on defence, 2 starting receivers and their FB. No depth at QB. It's going to be really interesting to see who can dress.
TJ Lee was out due to personal issue. He doesn't need to practice but could miss the game. Could be any of the usual issues, family issue, may a birth in the family or wedding. I'd guess he'll be back for the game but that's just a guess.
If a bunch of these players can't play, they're going to need to activate a bunch of their PR.
Two of the Lions best receivers ( McInnis and Hollins ) not able to practice. Even if they can play, they will not have had many reps with Rourke as the week progresses.
I'm looking for an Ottawa, Montreal, and Hamilton victory along with a Bomber win. If that happens we're right in the Western playoff mix. Go RBs, Als, and Ticats. Beat those Stamps, Riders, and Elks, respectively.
not sure if this was posted anywhere
"After joining Winnipeg in 2014, the duo of GM Kyle Walters and Head Coach Mike O'Shea have amassed a record of 99-68 (.596).
No GM/HC duo has 100 wins together. Their time with the team includes:
Seven playoff appearances
Seven double-digit win seasons
Three division titles
Four Grey Cup appearances
Two championships
Notable past duos:
John Hufnagel and Dave Dickenson | 73-29-2
Jim Popp and Marc Trestman | 72-54
Norm Kimball and Hugh Campbell | 70-21-5"
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/15/cfl-ca-game-notes-oshea-walters-looking-for-100th-win/
I guess Dickensen and Huff are a past duo. maybe.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 15, 2024, 04:12:59 PMMan games lost due to injury.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 15, 2024, 04:37:25 PMOK, now do the same chart only counting starters/projected staters... I bet it changes quite a bit.
Better yet, add in SMS salary weighting. So Lawler gone for 6 with $275k salary gives us more "injury points" than Hallett The Injured gone for 6.
I guarantee WPG wins that ranking, even with many other teams having franchise QBs going down. 4 of 5 desired Rs going down, many in weeks 1-3, including 2 of the top-5 paid CFL Rs and Schoen for the whole season... it doesn't get worse than that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 16, 2024, 12:40:29 AMBetter yet, add in SMS salary weighting. So Lawler gone for 6 with $275k salary gives us more "injury points" than Hallett The Injured gone for 6.
I guarantee WPG wins that ranking, even with many other teams having franchise QBs going down. 4 of 5 desired Rs going down, many in weeks 1-3, including 2 of the top-5 paid CFL Rs and Schoen for the whole season... it doesn't get worse than that.
Toronto, Montreal, Regina, & BC all lost their starting QB's. They would have the biggest weight in your system.
We had more injuries than average to start the year but it's pretty clear we don't now and probably won't end up near the worst off by season's end. Time to do some winning.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 16, 2024, 02:55:13 PMWe had more injuries than average to start the year but it's pretty clear we don't now and probably won't end up near the worst off by season's end. Time to do some winning.
This right here.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 16, 2024, 02:51:42 PMToronto, Montreal, Regina, & BC all lost their starting QB's. They would have the biggest weight in your system.
Is losing Chad Kelly a loss though? I bet the locker room improved.
Quote from: tlf on August 16, 2024, 08:23:02 PMIs losing Chad Kelly a loss though? I bet the locker room improved.
and may deteriorate when he returns.
Injury Report - August 16, 2024
Kenny Lawler Full Practice Status Questionable
Michael Ayers Full Practice Status Available
Celestin Haba Full Practice Status Available
Keric Wheatfall Full Practice Status Questionable
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 16, 2024, 08:37:23 PMInjury Report - August 16, 2024
Kenny Lawler Full Practice Status Questionable
Michael Ayers Full Practice Status Available
Celestin Haba Full Practice Status Available
Keric Wheatfall Full Practice Status Questionable
Top 3 very likely to play IMO. Wheatfall will stay on IR or be moved to PR?
BC's injury report has been updated. Hollins and McInnis both practiced in full and are available. Beaulieu is the only player officially "out".
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/11/cfl-injury-reports-week-11/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/11/cfl-injury-reports-week-11/)
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 16, 2024, 09:20:36 PMBC's injury report has been updated. Hollins and McInnis both practiced in full and are available. Beaulieu is the only player officially "out".
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/11/cfl-injury-reports-week-11/ (https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/11/cfl-injury-reports-week-11/)
Interesting. BC sure looks like it has called all hands on deck for this one. I expect them to be a very intense, motivated bunch for this home game. They have every intention of winning this game and no intention of losing it. We are going to have to be extremely sharp and ready for this game or we'll get mowed down. The Bombers are going to have to match BC's intensity from the opening kickoff and stay sharp until the end of the game. We need 60 minutes of Bomber, smash mouth, bully ball if we're to take this game. Our season may depend on it.
Quote from: J5V on August 16, 2024, 11:03:21 PMInteresting. BC sure looks like it has called all hands on deck for this one. I expect them to be a very intense, motivated bunch for this home game. They have every intention of winning this game and no intention of losing it. We are going to have to be extremely sharp and ready for this game or we'll get mowed down. The Bombers are going to have to match BC's intensity from the opening kickoff and stay sharp until the end of the game. We need 60 minutes of Bomber, smash mouth, bully ball if we're to take this game. Our season may depend on it.
It has all the makings of "the game of the year". BUCKLE UP EVERYONE.
It's not that unusual for veteran players to not completely practice every day in order to rest up from nicks and bruises.
However two top receivers only having 1 day with Rourke is bound to lead to errors. Timing between them won't be up to speed for several weeks.
That can't hurt the Bombers.
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 16, 2024, 11:27:03 PMIt has all the makings of "the game of the year". BUCKLE UP EVERYONE.
I agree and being a Sunday game, we're going to know the results of the other games this weekend. This game may be huge to more teams than just BC and Wpg. No other team in the West want to see Winnipeg get on a roll now that they're finally starting to get healthy. Calgary for example could very well lose their playoff seed and be on the outside looking in. It's possible that with a Bomber win we'll be just 2 points back of BC and 3 points back of the Riders for first and trending in the right direction.
Quote from: J5V on August 16, 2024, 11:03:21 PMInteresting. BC sure looks like it has called all hands on deck for this one. I expect them to be a very intense, motivated bunch for this home game. They have every intention of winning this game and no intention of losing it. We are going to have to be extremely sharp and ready for this game or we'll get mowed down. The Bombers are going to have to match BC's intensity from the opening kickoff and stay sharp until the end of the game. We need 60 minutes of Bomber, smash mouth, bully ball if we're to take this game. Our season may depend on it.
We need this game to make the playoffs. BC needs this game to secure the #1-in-West. Different goals, equal intensity.
I think BC realizes now that the last reg season game in '23 really
was the cup, even though they swore otherwise. They simply cannot play in the cold. They
need that home WDF spot. I wouldn't be surprised if they put months of effort into coming up with a killer gameplan for this Sunday.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 16, 2024, 11:41:19 PMHowever two top receivers only having 1 day with Rourke is bound to lead to errors. Timing between them won't be up to speed for several weeks.
How many of BC's current receivers were on that BC roster in '22 with Rourke? A couple? Cottoy? There's little residual "freebie" chemistry to tap into.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 17, 2024, 08:00:15 AMWe need this game to make the playoffs. BC needs this game to secure the #1-in-West. Different goals, equal intensity.
I think BC realizes now that the last reg season game in '23 really was the cup, even though they swore otherwise. They simply cannot play in the cold. They need that home WDF spot. I wouldn't be surprised if they put months of effort into coming up with a killer gameplan for this Sunday.
I agree with you 100% but I was thinking today that where I absolutely do not want to be playing the WDF is in Regina. It is so hard to get a fair shake in that place.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 17, 2024, 08:02:21 AMHow many of BC's current receivers were on that BC roster in '22 with Rourke? A couple? Cottoy? There's little residual "freebie" chemistry to tap into.
The chemistry has got to be a bit stale, I'm sure. But Hatcher, Hollins, and Cottoy were all there in 2022.
https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Western-Final-Roster-and-Depth-WPF.pdf (https://static.cfl.ca/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/11/Western-Final-Roster-and-Depth-WPF.pdf)
I don't think Rourke will be as rusty as some hope. See Masoli. Rourke has been in NFL camps, coming in 100% healthy as far as I know. He'll make the passes he can and run otherwise.
Quote from: J5V on August 16, 2024, 11:03:21 PMInteresting. BC sure looks like it has called all hands on deck for this one. I expect them to be a very intense, motivated bunch for this home game. They have every intention of winning this game and no intention of losing it. We are going to have to be extremely sharp and ready for this game or we'll get mowed down. The Bombers are going to have to match BC's intensity from the opening kickoff and stay sharp until the end of the game. We need 60 minutes of Bomber, smash mouth, bully ball if we're to take this game. Our season may depend on it.
Bravo
I could not have said it better myself!
Quote from: J5V on August 17, 2024, 08:03:50 AMI agree with you 100% but I was thinking today that where I absolutely do not want to be playing the WDF is in Regina. It is so hard to get a fair shake in that place.
why not? We kicked there *** last time they played the western final at the old toilet seat.
Quote from: Waffler on August 17, 2024, 09:06:36 PMI don't think Rourke will be as rusty as some hope. See Masoli. Rourke has been in NFL camps, coming in 100% healthy as far as I know. He'll make the passes he can and run otherwise.
Big difference. Masoli has been with the Redblacks and knows their playbook inside and out. He's didn't have to re learn it in a week.
He's been in meetings and helping Brown from the sidelines with play calls and tutoring.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 17, 2024, 09:28:12 PMBig difference. Masoli has been with the Redblacks and knows their playbook inside and out. He's didn't have to re learn it in a week.
He's been in meetings and helping Brown from the sidelines with play calls and tutoring.
yup no question Masoli has a massive advantage. No comparison really.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 17, 2024, 09:34:27 PMyup no question Masoli has a massive advantage. No comparison really.
Yah - barring injury to Rourke this will be his "weakest" game as he hasn't read a CFl defence at game speed for a while. We have tape on him so we should know what he is going to do...scramble when needed and deliver a very accurate ball (unless the NFL has spoiled him somehow). He is susceptible to pressure like any qb.
What I don't know is if the Lions o-line is better or worse than when Rourke was here last.
Quote from: Waffler on August 17, 2024, 09:06:36 PMI don't think Rourke will be as rusty as some hope. See Masoli. Rourke has been in NFL camps, coming in 100% healthy as far as I know. He'll make the passes he can and run otherwise.
Maybe he's not personally rusty, but he's not going to be familiar with the play book or be in sync with his teammates. He hasn't been watching CFL film to know what the defences are doing.
He's just going to be a little out of touch. It's an extra layer of difficulty he'll have to fight through.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 17, 2024, 09:45:51 PMYah - barring injury to Rourke this will be his "weakest" game as he hasn't read a CFl defence at game speed for a while. We have tape on him so we should know what he is going to do...scramble when needed and deliver a very accurate ball (unless the NFL has spoiled him somehow). He is susceptible to pressure like any qb.
What I don't know is if the Lions o-line is better or worse than when Rourke was here last.
Or if he never "fully" recovered from his injury.
Rourke will get better week to week and will be an outstanding CFL QB. He may even do some really good things tomorrow.
It's just that he's essentially on page one. Two of the Lions best receivers didn't even practice until the last day. We all know one slight miscommunication can lead to an int, knockdown or a receiver just an not making a reception.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 17, 2024, 10:42:38 PMRourke will get better week to week and will be an outstanding CFL QB. He may even do some really good things tomorrow.
It's just that he's essentially on page one. Two of the Lions best receivers didn't even practice until the last day. We all know one slight miscommunication can lead to an int, knockdown or a receiver just a not making a reception.
From all the press coverage it certainly seems like Rourke is the greatest quarterback that ever lived! Maybe the Bombers should just stay home and surrender this one.
Zach talks about Kenny Lawler and some of our other prospects.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1824962988501053693 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1824962988501053693)
Quote from: pdirks67 on August 17, 2024, 05:02:26 PMThe chemistry has got to be a bit stale, I'm sure. But Hatcher, Hollins, and Cottoy were all there in 2022.
Thanks for that. So the "2 H's" were here with him before. It's Rhymes & Burnham that are gone. The H's may still have chemistry with him. Bummer.
On the bright side, Hollins has been near useless for many weeks. Hatcher still hasn't gotten up to speed. McInnis is probably still the main threat.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 17, 2024, 09:45:51 PMWhat I don't know is if the Lions o-line is better or worse than when Rourke was here last.
Great question. From pdirks's depth chart we can compare:
2022 Figueroa Broxton Goodber Chungh Perkins
2024 Broxton Packer Couture Chungh Perkins
I think it's a wash or 2024 is slightly better. Couture is better but Packer might be weaker. What do you think?
As in 2022, BC only dresses 1 extra OL. Most of their (somewhat rare) jumbo sets are done with FB/TE. If they have a single OL injury they might be in for some trouble.
Crush them tomorrow and take the season series. Maybe don't have to see BC or Mr. Rourke from Fantasy Island until the playoffs in the Bombers barn! :) That is where his last CFL season ended in 2022 in the Bombers barn in the CFL West final.
Quote from: J5V on August 18, 2024, 05:01:33 AMZach talks about Kenny Lawler and some of our other prospects.
Kenny sliding into the slot instead of out at WR is the smart move, IMHO. Boundary slot will make him the #1 target. Hope we get creative, and hope we don't give him any injury-inducing crossers in traffic.
Pokey can go for the TD home runs from the wide spot... he's proven he can do the circus diving Dressler catches.
Zach might not even have to look to the field side the entire game! :D :D :D
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 18, 2024, 05:08:31 AMCrush them tomorrow and take the season series. Maybe don't have to see BC or Mr. Rourke from Fantasy Island until the playoffs in the Bombers barn! :) That is where his last CFL season ended in 2022 in the Bombers barn in the CFL West final.
We have Mr Rourke... so who is Tattoo?
O'Shea on Lawler
https://twitter.com/i/status/1824963199973703856 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1824963199973703856)
Game Preview: Winnipeg at BC
...(Kenny) Lawler, the game-breaking star receiver, and (Celestin) Haba, an emerging force at end, are back Sunday to bolster the lineup.
"I worked really hard coming into the season to come in here and kill it," Lawler said. "Having the arm injury set me back but with where we are in the season now it's more than ever about whatever the team needs from me.
"I'm not worried about accolades, I'm not worried about statistics. It really is about going 1-0 and giving the guys whatever they need. That's all that really matters. And when we're kicking *** all that other stuff comes with it. You've got to let those things coming to you. I just know when I'm on the field, the plays are going to come..."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/08/17/game-preview-wpg-at-b-c/
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 18, 2024, 05:11:32 AMWe have Mr Rourke... so who is Tattoo?
Is Trevor Kennerd still around?! :D Was there not some returner they called "Itty Bitty" some years ago on another team?! :D
The brain still functions! :D ....found this on a google search:
Ezra Landry, nicknamed "itty bitty" due to his five-foot-four-inch stature...played for the Als in the 2000's.
BOSS...DA PLANE DA PLANE!! :D The Man with the Golden Gun has come to Fantasy Island! ;)
Even more funnier is the SCTV spoof of Fantasy Island with John Candy as PATOO! ;) Eugene Levy as Mr. Roarke....FINE CORRINTHIAN LEATHER! :D WHEN YOU DRIVE A CORDOBA! ;) Youngins would have no clue what I'm talking about, but those are exaggerations on some Cordoba car commercials Ricardo Montalban did in the late 70's, early 80's! :) Probably more famously known as KHAN in the Star Trek original series and Star Trek II movie. Star Trek II-The Wrath of Khan arguably the best Star Trek movie ever made! :) Similar to Star Wars-The Empire Strikes Back being the best Star Wars movie ever...notice a pattern...second movie of these classic series! ;) Ricardo also did some latter Planet of the Apes original movie series too. Former Elks QB Taylor Cornelius missing his calling not promoting these new POA movies!! :D
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 18, 2024, 08:00:33 AMIs Trevor Kennerd still around?! :D Was there not some returner they called "Itty Bitty" some years ago on another team?! :D
The brain still functions! :D ....found this on a google search: Ezra Landry, nicknamed "itty bitty" due to his five-foot-four-inch stature...played for the Als in the 2000's.
BOSS...DA PLANE DA PLANE!! :D The Man with the Golden Gun has come to Fantasy Island! ;)
Even more funnier is the SCTV spoof of Fantasy Island with John Candy as PATOO! ;) Eugene Levy as Mr. Roarke....FINE CORRINTHIAN LEATHER! :D WHEN YOU DRIVE A CORDOBA! ;) Youngins would have no clue what I'm talking about, but those are exaggerations on some Cordoba car commercials Ricardo Montalban did in the late 70's, early 80's! :) Probably more famously known as KHAN in the Star Trek original series and Star Trek II movie. Star Trek II-The Wrath of Khan arguably the best Star Trek movie ever made! :) Similar to Star Wars-The Empire Strikes Back being the best Star Wars movie ever...notice a pattern...second movie of these classic series! ;) Ricardo also did some latter Planet of the Apes original movie series too. Former Elks QB Taylor Cornelius missing his calling not promoting these new POA movies!! :D
Wow that was some serious Virginia Woolf "stream-of-consciousness" going there Ichabod.
And I followed it all the way through.
I guess that makes me old...
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 17, 2024, 09:28:12 PMBig difference. Masoli has been with the Redblacks and knows their playbook inside and out. He's didn't have to re learn it in a week.
He's been in meetings and helping Brown from the sidelines with play calls and tutoring.
Rourke hasn't been in meetings, but he knows that offence, because it's the same one he played in before.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 18, 2024, 02:28:22 PMRourke hasn't been in meetings, but he knows that offence, because it's the same one he played in before.
Still not close to the same thing. The timing issue between a QB and his receivers takes more than 3 practices. Two of those receivers didn't even practice until the 3rd day. Different OL configuration, different RB as well. OC develops the game plan as time goes by. What they call, when they call it, is different.
We saw how rusty many teams were to start the season after so many vets didn't play much in pre season.
Rourke is and will be a very good QB. To think he can just step onto the field after nearly 2 years and have everything run smoothly is a lot to expect. He may make 30+ pass attempts today. When was the last time he did that in a live game?
He's a good QB. I'm not going to be surprised if he looks good.
Like I said before, there are just some extra layers of difficulty for him that he wouldn't normally have if he'd been on the team since that start.
Same offence is conceptual. It's not going to be the same plays, calls, receivers, protections as his last time around. Not to mentioned he's had to learn 4 different offences since the last time he played in B.C.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 18, 2024, 02:39:48 PMStill not close to the same thing. The timing issue between a QB and his receivers takes more than 3 practices. Two of those receivers didn't even practice until the 3rd day. Different OL configuration, different RB as well. OC develops the game plan as time goes by. What they call, when they call it, is different.
We saw how rusty many teams were to start the season after so many vets didn't play much in pre season.
Rourke is and will be a very good QB. To think he can just step onto the field after nearly 2 years and have everything run smoothly is a lot to expect. He may make 30+ pass attempts today. When was the last time he did that in a live game?
Timing doesn't come from the meetings. It comes from practice.
I doubt that Rourke will be the Rourke of old this week, but that's not cuz of missing meetings or not knowing the offence.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 18, 2024, 02:53:26 PMTiming doesn't come from the meetings. It comes from practice.
I doubt that Rourke will be the Rourke of old this week, but that's not cuz of missing meetings or not knowing the offence.
It's obviously because of all of the factors. Not one or the other.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 18, 2024, 02:53:26 PMTiming doesn't come from the meetings. It comes from practice.
I doubt that Rourke will be the Rourke of old this week, but that's not cuz of missing meetings or not knowing the offence.
Understanding the game plan comes from meetings. How many times do I have to say timing issues takes more than 3 practices? He's barely past the stage of introducing himself to new teammates.
You learn the game plan and playbook from meetings. Watching and discussing game film. What works best under what situation is not something you learn by just reading the play book.
I think it's a given that Rourke will have some miscues, hopefully many.
But it's also a given he will give the team a bump in confidence.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on August 18, 2024, 03:09:21 PMI think it's a given that Rourke will have some miscues, hopefully many.
But it's also a given he will give the team a bump in confidence.
Absolutely. I'd rather have been playing against Dolegala. At this point I'm wondering about how healthy several of their players are at this point. They had a long list of non or low participation at practice on both sides of the ball.
Lions D line three of them, under 260.
should be able to open some nice holes for Brady.
Please do not give up on the run Buckzach.
Quote from: markf on August 18, 2024, 03:37:41 PMLions D line three of them, under 260.
should be able to open some nice holes for Brady.
Please do not give up on the run Buckzach.
For sure - please don't abandon the run. BO is the best Bomber - stay with it and we will have success
Not too worried about Rourke, the D should be able to handle him. More interested to see which version of the Bomber's offence shows up, the butt kickers that light it up or the sad sacks that can't score a TD.
I AM worried about Rourke. He's an unknown quantity until we see him but the potential is there.
"Lions head coach Rick Campbell said Rourke has looked good and
understands the offence, which has only changed slightly since the
26-year-old left B.C. following a stellar 2022 campaign"
-Free Press
Add in the 3 receivers still there that he has worked with before.
Quote from: Jesse on August 18, 2024, 02:44:04 PMHe's a good QB. I'm not going to be surprised if he looks good.
Like I said before, there are just some extra layers of difficulty for him that he wouldn't normally have if he'd been on the team since that start.
Same offence is conceptual. It's not going to be the same plays, calls, receivers, protections as his last time around. Not to mentioned he's had to learn 4 different offences since the last time he played in B.C.
Agree. In his interview with Farhan he refers to us as a "very good football team" and he still hurts from that WDF game we beat him in. He looks at us as unfinished business and he is motivated to beat us. He also says there should be reduced expectations as it has been a while since he played CFL ball.
Rourke gives the Lions a massive boost in confidence that they can beat the bombers vs going in with dolegala. Bombers on the other hand are playing for their playoff lives. West division is only 2 wins from top to bottom teams. Very important game for both teams
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/lawler-returns-as-bombers-look-to-snag-win-no-100-for-oshea~2966481 (https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/video/lawler-returns-as-bombers-look-to-snag-win-no-100-for-oshea~2966481)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GVQ3Xw7WwAAxny-?format=png&name=4096x4096)
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 18, 2024, 01:38:28 PMWow that was some serious Virginia Woolf "stream-of-consciousness" going there Ichabod.
Any SCTV reference gets a +1 from me! Best comedy show ever, for you young'ns to go look up. (I still miss Candy...)
Quote from: BomberFan73 on August 18, 2024, 03:09:21 PMI think it's a given that Rourke will have some miscues, hopefully many.
But it's also a given he will give the team a bump in confidence.
I think he gave them a bump for 2 series and then he made them even more demoralized!! He was supposed to be their savior! Being let down by your savior is never "bumping".
After the BC INT failed to get them anything they were completely done. The whole team quit.
From a Rider fan's attempt to be unbiased... Winnipeg's secondary is phenomenal. Throwing boundary side leaves you with Deatrick Nichols, and Field side leaves you with Tyrell Ford.
Rourke looked so uncomfortable tonight for many reasons, and probably shouldn't have been dressed let alone starting.
He will inevitably get better as the season goes on, but still full marks to the Winnipeg D for making him uncomfortable.