Are we misusing Streveler.
a) we put him in as a receiver with no intention of throwing to him
B) any time he's in at qb we put him in a position to get hit hard
c) we don't trust him to throw a pass on second and short and inches
d) when we bring him in for a first down its basically fake to olivera or Demski and run up the middle. (again do we not trust his passing?)
Lately hes by far running off to the sides on short yardage, having missed one in each of the last two games, you wonder if hes hurting
Buck's cutsy "look how creative I am" formations with the both of them have done nothing so far.
That said, I don't think we're misusing him. He's a good short yardage guy who also came in and got us one of our three wins as a starter.
That's pretty on brand for a backup QB in the CFL.
We did throw to him once on a fake-sweep pass (IIRC) and he dropsied it. That may have put him in the doghouse in terms of future pass attempts.
I liked the game Strev started where it was about 50/50 whether it was Strev or Brady running. That was a good use of Strev. He has to hand it off 50% of the time or Ds will just key on Strev.
As for SY, Strev was never as good as Prukop or Feve. Junkie helped with the stats before. I can't recall what Strev was at but it was somewhere around 85-90% I think, whereas the other 2 guys were closer to 100% (I still dispute the pure straight-sneak stat Junkie gave for Prukop).
My point is since we can't enjoy 100% on SY, we need to make up for it by using Strev to get the explosion sometimes... so we need him to pass once in a while, take the edge around sometimes, hand off to unexpected players sometimes, and other crazy plays. Not only will it even out what he succeeds at vs the failures, but it will also loosen up Ds from the box so his sneaks should be more successful.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 05, 2024, 12:20:34 AMBuck's cutsy "look how creative I am" formations with the both of them have done nothing so far.
That said, I don't think we're misusing him. He's a good short yardage guy who also came in and got us one of our three wins as a starter.
That's pretty on brand for a backup QB in the CFL.
thats my point we are using him as a short yardage qb, but hes our number 2, we need to utilize him more than just fake handoffs and short runs (as techno pointed out)
Quote from: Pete on August 05, 2024, 01:00:11 AMthats my point we are using him as a short yardage qb, but hes our number 2, we need to utilize him more than just fake handoffs and short runs (as techno pointed out)
I feel like short runs is kinda the role. But if there's more there, what kind of more do you suggest?
Give him more free rein, fake the run around, draw in the dbs and throw the pass...he did it very successfully in one game but it was called back due to holding penalty.
When he goes in on first throw the quick out as lbs tend to focus on him running down the middle.
Giving him more passing downs will also give him more practice reading cfl defenses when we do him to go in
None issue handled internally
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 05, 2024, 01:03:16 AMI feel like short runs is kinda the role. But if there's more there, what kind of more do you suggest?
In his previous run with us, he'd make the SY play and then the offence would go into hurry-up to take advantage of the personnel mismatches (The defense obviously having their heavy set on the field).
Or faking the sneak on occasion and lob a pass up.
One day, a team will take advantage of the 2-QBs allowed on the field rule and do something cool.
These are things we did with Prukop. These are things we did with Strev the first time he was here. Haven't done it at all this season despite our offence struggling more than they ever have. It doesn't make much sense to me.
Half the season gone and Strev. has been about half as effective as I expected he would be when he signed. Don't know what this means for his future with the club, I'm sure he wants more opportunity to pass the ball, but he's not getting the chance so far. Best case scenario for him is if Zach goes down for 3-4 games and he gets to showcase what he can do. He's getting pretty close to now or never, also, we'll never get a look at Wilson with Strev. blocking his way.
He might have a nagging injury but he is just not getting the playing time I thought he would get when he signed to come back
It would also help if he didnt go out of his way to initiate contact. Taking on linebackers head on all the time is a recipe for injury. Also it gives the lineman a chance from behind to roll up on him
Hes most successful when he runs around the end and forced a db to try to take him down
Saying that we aren't paying him to be just a short ydge guy,so why use him as such
Quote from: Pete on August 05, 2024, 02:16:08 PMIt would also help if he didnt go out of his way to initiate contact. Taking on linebackers head on all the time is a recipe for injury. Also it gives the lineman a chance from behind to roll up on him
Hes most successful when he runs around the end and forced a db to try to take him down
Saying that we aren't paying him to be just a short ydge guy,so why use him as such
Yep, he's still trying to play like he did 5 years ago, as tough as he is his body won't put up with the punishment for long. He really hasn't had any significant runs of distance this season, so I question his effectiveness as a change of pace QB. I don't see any teams desperate enough to offer him the keys to the car next season, he's in danger of becoming another Dakota Prukop.
Its called the rope a dope
Set other teams up by never using him properly, and then BOOM, set him loose...
Or maybe not.
I am not convinced our offensive players are practiced and focused enough for too many wrinkles with Strev at this point. Re-watched the game from Thursday and our first quarter was a comedy of errors.
Later in the game we didn't even know how to line up properly in a basic formation.
High performing offences can add wrinkles - we are basic vanilla getting rid of the ball quickly cause our o-line is still not where it needs to be.
Zach is our best bet to throw the ball - Strev is our best bet to sneak it.
Perhaps second half of the season will see some creative plays once we get out of elementary school and start executing basic plays and scoring TD's
The game Streveler started for us set my mind at ease about his ability to QB this team. Even with a limited play set he performed admirably. He can beat a team with his arm and his legs. His struggles in SY situations speaks more to the Oline than it does to Streveler's ability to pick up the required yard(s). I absolutely loves what he brings to our game and I wouldn't switch him with Prukop or any other SY specialist.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 05, 2024, 04:30:35 PMI am not convinced our offensive players are practiced and focused enough for too many wrinkles with Strev at this point. Re-watched the game from Thursday and our first quarter was a comedy of errors.
Later in the game we didn't even know how to line up properly in a basic formation.
High performing offences can add wrinkles - we are basic vanilla getting rid of the ball quickly cause our o-line is still not where it needs to be.
Zach is our best bet to throw the ball - Strev is our best bet to sneak it.
Perhaps second half of the season will see some creative plays once we get out of elementary school and start executing basic plays and scoring TD's
Three rookies at WR and one guy in his first game on the AR. Only Demski has any decent amount of time in the system and with Collaros. Formation issues seemed to be with the rookies, not sure if Lucky mucked up or not. And a new RG in his first CFL game didn't help.
Hate being a drone, but a vet like Bailey who is familiar with our system might have settled things down a little.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 05, 2024, 04:30:35 PMI am not convinced our offensive players are practiced and focused enough for too many wrinkles with Strev at this point. Re-watched the game from Thursday and our first quarter was a comedy of errors.
Later in the game we didn't even know how to line up properly in a basic formation.
High performing offences can add wrinkles - we are basic vanilla getting rid of the ball quickly cause our o-line is still not where it needs to be.
Zach is our best bet to throw the ball - Strev is our best bet to sneak it.
Perhaps second half of the season will see some creative plays once we get out of elementary school and start executing basic plays and scoring TD's
Zach mentioned that a key part of the strategy last game was getting the play calls from Buck in early so he could get all the rookie receivers lined up properly. He was probably losing his mind having to deal with a faulty O-line as well as so many rookies who haven't got a solid grasp of the playbook.
Quote from: Pete on August 05, 2024, 02:16:08 PMSaying that we aren't paying him to be just a short ydge guy,so why use him as such
He totally is getting paid as a SY guy. I'm pretty sure he's getting the same as Prukop got, or even a little less. He's a great deal considering he'll get you over .500 as a starter if need be.
And hand it to Strev: I go down on the field after every game and Strev is down there signing jerseys for the fans every time. I checked the last game and it still holds true. No other player is out there every week, and most of them you never see (like Zach).
Quote from: The Zipp on August 05, 2024, 04:30:35 PMI am not convinced our offensive players are practiced and focused enough for too many wrinkles with Strev at this point. Re-watched the game from Thursday and our first quarter was a comedy of errors.
Later in the game we didn't even know how to line up properly in a basic formation.
High performing offences can add wrinkles - we are basic vanilla getting rid of the ball quickly cause our o-line is still not where it needs to be.
Zach is our best bet to throw the ball - Strev is our best bet to sneak it.
Perhaps second half of the season will see some creative plays once we get out of elementary school and start executing basic plays and scoring TD's
I slightly disagree with you here.
I think we had to implement these plays because Zach isn't where he needs to be. He was taking so long in the pocket and we couldn't get into a rhythm because we would run for 3 yards on first down, and then either take a sack or miss a deep target on second down.
The game scripting by Buck, really helped Bucks confidence. Collaros went for 27/33 and 295-yards.
I made the point earlier that we shouldn't be counting on him to just drop-back, go through the reads, make the decision and throw a dime.
I feel like the last three games, we've kind of restructured the offence, with more roll-outs, play action, motion in the back field and quick-hitter plays. We don't have Tom Brady anymore, but Brock Purdy can still get you to the same place with great gameplanning.
streveler I believe is making ,125k plus bonuses for starts, Id be surprised if Prukop is over 90
Quote from: DM83 on August 06, 2024, 04:23:41 PMWhen Strev got stuffed on short yardage either against Toronto or Sask Strev went right. Meanwhile on the left side between guard and tackle there was a four yard bubble where our line blew out. The opposition. Maybe Strev should run the correct hole and not adlib?
Why don't they run the RPO?
I doubt that Strevler makes adlib's on short yardage plays.
Also Strevler's package is almost exclusively RPO's when not in 3rd and 1.
Quote from: Pete on August 06, 2024, 03:15:10 PMstreveler I believe is making ,125k plus bonuses for starts, Id be surprised if Prukop is over 90
I thought the whisper number on Prukop
when he was here was $110-$120k. And I thougt the Strev whisper was $110k.
No idea what Prukop is getting now as he bounces around teams as an afterthought. If we lose Strev, I'd take Prukop back in a heartbeat. Monster on SY. Just don't start him as a #1.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 07, 2024, 02:51:42 AMI thought the whisper number on Prukop when he was here was $110-$120k. And I thougt the Strev whisper was $110k.
No idea what Prukop is getting now as he bounces around teams as an afterthought. If we lose Strev, I'd take Prukop back in a heartbeat. Monster on SY. Just don't start him as a #1.
In 2023 Dru Brown came in as the 15th highest paid QB in the CFL at $82k, Prukop came in somewhere below that total, so he's bottom dollar. He's doing alright for what he does, he can probably milk his role for another 5-6 years if he stays in shape.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2024, 03:32:38 AMIn 2023 Dru Brown came in as the 15th highest paid QB in the CFL at $82k, Prukop came in somewhere below that total, so he's bottom dollar. He's doing alright for what he does, he can probably milk his role for another 5-6 years if he stays in shape.
Dru was still on ELC, no? Year 2? Can't compare ELC to decade-long multi-team SY powerhouse... I don't see him only getting $82k-level during his time here. This year, maybe, because he couch-sat for a lot of FA. But not when he was really wanted and valued in blue & gold.