VA injured his knee in the game against the Bombers. Initial reports were, it's not too bad, may only be a few weeks but not months. Campbell was quick to also state that we won't know for sure until he is properly evaluated. He spent ten minutes in the tent and when he came out he had an ice pack taped to his knee and he was not moving well. I think that knee is bad.
He's played two poor games in a row now. Milt was saying VA may be worrying about Rourke coming back after Rourke stated if things don't work out down South he'd like to come back to the Lions.
So VA may have a bad knee and a worried mind.
BC's next game is against the Elks and I think we'll see Dolegala at QB. Can the Elks finally win one against BC?
Does anyone think VA will be back the following week for the game against us?
Does anyone think VA is all messed up by the talk of a possible return by Rourke?
Rourke isn't returning this season so I don't buy that VA would be mentally twisted over him possibly returning.
What happened was the game was out of reach and Campbell decided to leave his quarterback in there and the result was expected. I cringed watching Zach hand off to Oliveira as well.
No, we re just seeing the real Adams. He was over achieving and now has come down to his mentally unstable world of inconsistency.
There is no doubt in my mind that when Lawler gets back, we ll be the best team in the cfl. This adversity we went through was good for us, made us stronger. We are still an injured team, but we battle with those who we got and after a coupe of games, have worked the kinks out and now we got back to kicking butt!!
Just saw this update on VA's injury on X ...
https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/1819458018830155827/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/CFL_News/status/1819458018830155827/photo/1)
It's. Funny DD summed up Vernon Adams the way I would.
I am happy he has found some success, but he personally IMHO seems like a phony. His playing history always seems like this year schedule. Reckless play, then Seemingly injured at some point, very dramatic being "injured" but then miraculously healed a week later.
I don't expect him out beyond this week., if that.
He may get the. League MOP. And then get cut when Rourke IS back next season.
I guess he can always go to Edmonton, after the Esks realize Ford can't read.......by then nit sure Adams can either.( talk about happy feet)
VAJ isn't a phonie, that's ridiculous. But he does go through periods of inconsistency, which he has very much minimized in recent years. He is still prone to it, however.
I have no doubt he'll find his touch again when he comes back. I'll never bet on them in the playoffs though.
Adams doesn't have the mental toughness to succeed when the pressure is on and the going gets tough. He would have never weathered the storm Collaros just did.
With him under centre I just don't see the lions winning anything and for sure they'll drop him like a bad habit for rourke
Lions need to finish first...I am not convinced their one dimensional team can go on the road in the cold and win.
Their defense isn't spectacular at this point in the season. Honestly I think sask and Toronto have better defenses than BC.
Doug brown said on the post game show that VA "pulls himself from tough games by getting injured"
VAJ is very good, isn't consistent enough to be called great. Some posters are pilling on when he is down imo.
Has had some injury issues. I have seen him improve each year.
His play has nothing to do with Rourke.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 03, 2024, 04:03:41 AMLions need to finish first...I am not convinced their one dimensional team can go on the road in the cold and win.
Their defense isn't spectacular at this point in the season. Honestly I think sask and Toronto have better defenses than BC.
Doug brown said on the post game show that VA "pulls himself from tough games by getting injured"
I agree with brown as Adams is emotionally very weak. When the going gets tough, Adams is the first to bail on his team. Lions are going nowhere with him under centre
We need to be careful about attempting to draw conclusions about Adams Jr. or any player without definitive knowledge. If he is "week to week" that indicates there is some legitimate concern about his physical condition. Tests should indicate if there is any damage and if not, why would they hold him out of games when he is clearly the Lions' best opportunity to win games and get them to the playoffs.
Yes, he had a terrible game against the Bombers. But so did other Lion players who couldn't produce, i.e., ,Stanbach, the corp of Lion receivers, their defence who could not limit the Bomber offence (TOP). The August 17 game will be a test for both the Lions and the Bombers.
Will Adams Jr. play? Who knows except the Lions and Adams Jr. himself. I doubt however the Adams Jr. or the Lions are concerning themselves much with Rourke right now. This year is Grey Cup in Vancouver and I cannot imagine either Adams Jr. or the Lions not doing anything in their power to get to that game.
Quote from: dd on August 03, 2024, 03:24:41 AMNo, we re just seeing the real Adams. He was over achieving and now has come down to his mentally unstable world of inconsistency.
There is no doubt in my mind that when Lawler gets back, we ll be the best team in the cfl. This adversity we went through was good for us, made us stronger. We are still an injured team, but we battle with those who we got and after a coupe of games, have worked the kinks out and now we got back to kicking butt!!
Better...YES. Could still win the west for GC berth? Yes if they keep up what they did last game. BEST...I think Montreal when a healthy Fajardo comes back still top dog. Handled the Cats easily today without CF....so I am not ready to predict Bombers will be better than Als quite yet. They have one game left with Montreal at their turf on the very last regular season weekend. That could tell us if the Blue guys are ready to re-claim their crown in the following playoffs! :)
HAVE FAITH IN THE MANITOBA MAFIA!! VITO CORLEONE SAYS TO MICHAEL "MAKE THEM AN OFFER THEY CAN'T REFUSE!!" :D ;)
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 03, 2024, 06:53:24 AMBetter...YES. Could still win the west for GC berth? Yes if they keep up what they did last game. BEST...I think Montreal when a healthy Fajardo comes back still top dog. Handled the Cats easily today without CF....so I am not ready to predict Bombers will be better than Als quite yet. They have one game left with Montreal at their turf on the very last regular season weekend. That could tell us if the Blue guys are ready to re-claim their crown in the following playoffs! :)
HAVE FAITH IN THE MANITOBA MAFIA!! VITO CORLEONE SAYS TO MICHAEL "MAKE THEM AN OFFER THEY CAN'T REFUSE!!" :D ;)
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 03, 2024, 06:01:40 AMWe need to be careful about attempting to draw conclusions about Adams Jr. or any player without definitive knowledge. If he is "week to week" that indicates there is some legitimate concern about his physical condition. Tests should indicate if there is any damage and if not, why would they hold him out of games when he is clearly the Lions' best opportunity to win games and get them to the playoffs.
Yes, he had a terrible game against the Bombers. But so did other Lion players who couldn't produce, i.e., ,Stanbach, the corp of Lion receivers, their defence who could not limit the Bomber offence (TOP). The August 17 game will be a test for both the Lions and the Bombers.
Will Adams Jr. play? Who knows except the Lions and Adams Jr. himself. I doubt however the Adams Jr. or the Lions are concerning themselves much with Rourke right now. This year is Grey Cup in Vancouver and I cannot imagine either Adams Jr. or the Lions not doing anything in their power to get to that game.
I think V.A.'s mental toughness has improved some in the last 2 season but not sure he'll ever lead the Lions to a Cup, as he's always one hit away from the 6 game and is almost always hobbling around. He's a slim guy so bulking up would probably adversely effect his passing ability and throw him off. Maybe the only thing that could get him to the promised land is an excellent O-line that is able to protect him completely as Matt Nichol experienced for a few years.
The fact that he stayed on the bench in uniform tells me it is not a long term injury and they knew that right away. It still could be a few weeks to get his full mobility back. He needs to have that to be effective.
Quote from: Waffler on August 03, 2024, 03:10:09 PMThe fact that he stayed on the bench in uniform tells me it is not a long term injury and they knew that right away. It still could be a few weeks to get his full mobility back. He needs to have that to be effective.
I could see him back wearing a brace in a couple of weeks although he was hobbling badly on the sidelines. I'm not sure something like that will heal quickly. Looked like an MCL/ACL strain, maybe both. If there has been any tearing of either ligament it's going to be more than a couple of weeks.
BC says bone bruise & no ligament damage. I thought it was a hyper extended knee from the replay. Both take a couple of weeks so he could be back to play us.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 03, 2024, 04:15:34 PMBC says bone bruise & no ligament damage. I thought it was a hyper extended knee from the replay. Both take a couple of weeks so he could be back to play us.
This time the roles will be reversed. We will be coming off the bye and they will have had another game against the Elks. It'll be interesting to see how they perform. The Elks will no doubt try to take a page or two from our defensive playbook.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 03, 2024, 04:15:34 PMBC says bone bruise & no ligament damage. I thought it was a hyper extended knee from the replay. Both take a couple of weeks so he could be back to play us.
oh ya? Is that a medical opinion? Maybe so, but what shape would he be in for that game if he was to play?
Quote from: dd on August 03, 2024, 04:50:22 AMI agree with brown as Adams is emotionally very weak. When the going gets tough, Adams is the first to bail on his team. Lions are going nowhere with him under centre
Overstated on the negative imo
He has shown he has improved and evolved
I believe he is a good qb. Certainly not my favorite but he is a winner. Need to win in playoffs to take next step.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 03, 2024, 05:20:37 PMOverstated on the negative imo
He has shown he has improved and evolved
I believe he is a good qb. Certainly not my favorite but he is a winner. Need to win in playoffs to take next step.
That is why I'm so very happy to have Zach taking snaps for us. Yes he has struggled at times this year but he has proven that he is a winner that can win on the biggest stage unlike VA, Harris, MBT, Maier, etc.
Quote from: J5V on August 03, 2024, 04:14:13 PMI could see him back wearing a brace in a couple of weeks although he was hobbling badly on the sidelines. I'm not sure something like that will heal quickly. Looked like an MCL/ACL strain, maybe both. If there has been any tearing of either ligament it's going to be more than a couple of weeks.
In the end I think V.A. will not be able to play the full season, that's means Dolegala is their starter, hard to say how directly that will lead to wins or losses. I wouldn't predict anything this season but with so many starting QB's going down, Zach may be one of the few that survives to the end, which should be an advantage.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 03, 2024, 04:30:12 PMoh ya? Is that a medical opinion? Maybe so, but what shape would he be in for that game if he was to play?
I still say this looks bad. Certainly more than a couple of weeks.
Vernon Adams Knee (https://twitter.com/i/status/1819211558528208945)
Bomber players showing a lot of class to VA by wishing him a speedy recovery. Good sportsmanship. Hate to see anyone hurting.
Quote from: J5V on August 03, 2024, 05:26:54 PMThat is why I'm so very happy to have Zach taking snaps for us. Yes he has struggled at times this year but he has proven that he is a winner that can win on the biggest stage unlike VA, Harris, MBT, Maier, etc.
The fact that so many said he was done was telling in how some posters approach the way they post. A few wrinkles and they throw out the ironing board lol.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 03, 2024, 08:24:33 PMThe fact that so many said he was done was telling in how some posters approach the way they post. A few wrinkles and they throw out the ironing board lol.
Very true and as we've seen with many players that go through struggles it doesn't mean they are finished. BLM doesn't have the arm he once did but is getting by with smarts and experience and can still play well enough to attain a personal high of five TDs against the Elks. I believe Zach has many good games left in his tank also and I would never bet against him. That man has pulled himself up off the mat too many times for this fan to ever doubt him.
Nathan Rourke signs with the Atlanta Falcons ... (https://3downnation.com/2024/08/01/canadian-qb-nathan-rourke-signs-with-atlanta-falcons/)
If VA goes to the 1 game, do they just dress Dolegala and Brice? Are there any FA QB's on the couch?
Quote from: theaardvark on August 04, 2024, 08:23:28 PMIf VA goes to the 1 game, do they just dress Dolegala and Brice? Are there any FA QB's on the couch?
He'll stay on the roster but not dress for the game. Same as Collaros did for a game. If they feel he'll only miss a game or two, there is no advantage in finding another QB as a # 3.
OTOH, if they do bring in another QB, that may be evidence they are not sure when Adams will be back.
Harsh assessments of Adams. you may recall we lost the Grey Cup to Cody 5- yardo.
VA's issue is consistency, when hes on hes been the mop so far this year. Based on info coming out of bc his injury week to week so they are not gonna panic into another trade.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 03, 2024, 06:20:32 PMIn the end I think V.A. will not be able to play the full season, that's means Dolegala is their starter, hard to say how directly that will lead to wins or losses. I wouldn't predict anything this season but with so many starting QB's going down, Zach may be one of the few that survives to the end, which should be an advantage.
No way does BC roll into the playoffs with Dolegala starting, if VAJ can't make it that long.
They will have to somehow get Masoli or MBT or something. They need a slinger. MBT would be perfect, he's good behind a top OL. If there's any whiff of VAJ having anything lingering (or even if he doesn't), expect some fireworks at/before the trade deadline.
BC cannot afford to not have a viable backup in their home GC year. Their QB is a mobile scrawn, and those guys are the ones who get hurt.
Quote from: Tiger on August 04, 2024, 08:48:37 PMHarsh assessments of Adams. you may recall we lost the Grey Cup to Cody 5- yardo.
Yes we did. Cody picked the absolute worst time to peak in his career.
But also give a ton of credit to quiet genius Calvillo and even Mr Headset Maas. Those guys figured out what Cody can do and planned everything around it. 10 hitch screens we couldn't ever stop is what won that cup (and a Hail Mary 20Y 3rd down miracle). Kind of embarrassing.
Fine and Pipkin are still out there on couches...
What does harsh, albeit valid criticism of Vernon Adams have to do with Cody Fajardo or last year's GC?
Techno right on. I assume that why Hall was talked into relinquishing his post as DC.
What's infuriating is that we had the guys to take away Fajardo only consistent pass. Maybe this year.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 06, 2024, 07:51:35 AMNo way does BC roll into the playoffs with Dolegala starting, if VAJ can't make it that long.
They will have to somehow get Masoli or MBT or something. They need a slinger. MBT would be perfect, he's good behind a top OL. If there's any whiff of VAJ having anything lingering (or even if he doesn't), expect some fireworks at/before the trade deadline.
BC cannot afford to not have a viable backup in their home GC year. Their QB is a mobile scrawn, and those guys are the ones who get hurt.
Just saying if V.A.'s health is iffy, they'll manage him so he's ready for the playoffs, it may be a trick holding onto first place in the process but no other Western team seems to want it very much.
BC relies too much on the long pass/big play. Teams with good secondaries--like ours, they struggle with. In the cold temps of October and November, the long pass is not a high percentage play...they need to rethink their playbook or they ain't getting out of the west this year...we will!!
Quote from: dd on August 06, 2024, 10:23:39 PMBC relies too much on the long pass/big play. Teams with good secondaries--like ours, they struggle with. In the cold temps of October and November, the long pass is not a high percentage play...they need to rethink their playbook or they ain't getting out of the west this year...we will!!
If they need to head outside in the playoffs it will be tough for them.
Dolegala is starting the next game. Adams might still miss the game against us though. He's shell shocked and may not want to see us again. lol
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 06, 2024, 11:08:29 PMDolegala is starting the next game. Adams might still miss the game against us though. He's shell shocked and may not want to see us again. lol
Wonder wonder wonder if the reasons Adams took so long to develop into a starter are the same mental hurdles he's struggling to overcome to this day. Same applies to Dom Davis and Dakota Prukop, some horses just shouldn't be bet on.
Bc is still 5 & 3, and Adams stats are pretty decent, every qb has a team they seem to consistently struggle against (ie Zac vs argos,)
On a side note when I looked at stats Bo levi is leading the league in passing yds and tds. A lot of people myself included had written him off
Like many Adams appears to not know where his second read is. He then starts dancing. And. O one knows what he is going to do. Some of the other guys Collaros, Fajardo, Maier Mitchell, the Toronto guy, roll out right away. Ow everyone knows the QB is likely going right. Blocking can adjust, receivers know the scramble rule, and people get re-organized.
But Adams seems to jump around the pocket, and when he does that, who do the line, block. He sure ain't looking for receivers trying to seek four or five rushers. And pppfffft, sack, or oooooh hurt his leg, "what?, I am hurt" out ofr a game, and then returns injured sucking it up, what a hero........happens every year.. then the classic he might even beat Edmonton, and then says all the glory goes to God!
Pete, Stats are for losers.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 06, 2024, 06:58:43 PMJust saying if V.A.'s health is iffy, they'll manage him so he's ready for the playoffs, it may be a trick holding onto first place in the process but no other Western team seems to want it very much.
Even if they do that, and make him #2 in a few reg seasons games, do they really want to play a WDF (or even a WSF!) and a GC with no real QB to back him up? If VAJ goes down in a WDF or GC and they put Dolegala in, it's game over. It's not like they can suddenly switch to a run-heavy game. They have no run game!
Of course, the braintrust in BC might be fine rolling those dice. It's a reasonable gamble, as all that money on a legit #2 can be spent on every other position. The only problem is VAJ is prone to injury and I think he's been nursing things for a few weeks now.
I guess in the end (trade deadline) it'll come down to whether BC has any SMS left or not, and how badly they want to put all of their eggs in one VAJ.
I wouldn't be surprised when wdmp Tom gets mathematically eliminated from the playoffs that they trade MBT to Lions for a draft pick. He's clearly not the answer in Edmonton and they ll be moving on next year so why no get a draft pick for him
Lions are now reporting that Adams Jr. is out for the "foreseeable future". What that exactly means is uncertain but it sounds more serious than initially stated.
Quote from: Pete on August 07, 2024, 02:31:23 AMBc is still 5 & 3, and Adams stats are pretty decent, every qb has a team they seem to consistently struggle against (ie Zac vs argos,)
On a side note when I looked at stats Bo levi is leading the league in passing yds and tds. A lot of people myself included had written him off
A lot of those stats courtesy two Elks games when they were playing some pretty bad football. He threw five TDs in the last one and was bragging and showboating about it. The guy is still a major headcase. I can't wait to see how he does against us.
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 07, 2024, 05:46:06 AMLions are now reporting that Adams Jr. is out for the "foreseeable future". What that exactly means is uncertain but it sounds more serious than initially stated.
The West is wide open.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2024, 02:07:55 AMWonder if the reasons Adams took so long to develop into a starter are the same mental hurdles he's struggling to overcome to this day. Same applies to Dom Davis and Dakota Prukop, some horses just shouldn't be bet on.
Adams was given a pretty raw deal early is his career. Always being traded around, coaches getting fired. New coordinators, playbooks multiple times per year. Not really the consistency you'd want when your supposedly being developed.
I was really surprised when they said it was short term. It looked and felt bad and they had to cart him out of there.
I'm just guessing, but maybe they discovered an ACL injury and initially he wanted to play though it but changed his mind.
Strange cause in the Province article from yesterday this was Adams:
I'm feeling much better. We got better news than we expected," said Adams, who was wearing brace on his knee Tuesday. "It's not ligaments (damaged) or anything.
"So I'm just ready to attack rehab and get back better and stronger than ever. I need to stayed locked in mentally and do what I can for Jake, Brice and the team.
"The swelling has gone down. I'm just taking it day by day. You can't rush into it too much. You've got to take baby steps and slowly build that strength."
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 07, 2024, 05:46:06 AMLions are now reporting that Adams Jr. is out for the "foreseeable future". What that exactly means is uncertain but it sounds more serious than initially stated.
Yeah, seeing him hobbling around on the sidelines it definitely looked worse than Campbell and the club was reporting. I'm not surprised. Looks like our luck is improving.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 07, 2024, 01:31:08 PMI was really surprised when they said it was short term. It looked and felt bad and they had to cart him out of there.
I'm just guessing, but maybe they discovered an ACL injury and initially he wanted to play though it but changed his mind.
They kept saying "bone bruise". Well, a bone bruise almost always accompanies some type of fracture and depending on where it is, he could be out for a while. Remember when Drew Willie hurt his knee? He was never the same.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 07, 2024, 01:46:38 PMStrange cause in the Province article from yesterday this was Adams:
I'm feeling much better. We got better news than we expected," said Adams, who was wearing brace on his knee Tuesday. "It's not ligaments (damaged) or anything.
"So I'm just ready to attack rehab and get back better and stronger than ever. I need to stayed locked in mentally and do what I can for Jake, Brice and the team.
"The swelling has gone down. I'm just taking it day by day. You can't rush into it too much. You've got to take baby steps and slowly build that strength."
They don't want to say it but that sounds like a fracture to me. Minimum six weeks. Maybe sooner if he can tolerate the pain.
Quote from: Jesse on August 07, 2024, 01:24:18 PMAdams was given a pretty raw deal early is his career. Always being traded around, coaches getting fired. New coordinators, playbooks multiple times per year. Not really the consistency you'd want when your supposedly being developed.
Hard to say if that is true or not, coaches evaluated him at every stop along the way and decided not to invest in him long-term. Could be he's physically gifted like many QB's but not all that smart, which has always been a recipe for failure.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 07, 2024, 03:40:14 AMEven if they do that, and make him #2 in a few reg seasons games, do they really want to play a WDF (or even a WSF!) and a GC with no real QB to back him up? If VAJ goes down in a WDF or GC and they put Dolegala in, it's game over. It's not like they can suddenly switch to a run-heavy game. They have no run game!
Of course, the braintrust in BC might be fine rolling those dice. It's a reasonable gamble, as all that money on a legit #2 can be spent on every other position. The only problem is VAJ is prone to injury and I think he's been nursing things for a few weeks now.
I guess in the end (trade deadline) it'll come down to whether BC has any SMS left or not, and how badly they want to put all of their eggs in one VAJ.
Not sure the Lions situation is different than any other team, lose your starter in the playoffs and you're probably not going to win. They should swing a blockbuster trade for MBT with the Elks, although they would have to dump an equal amount of salary to accommodate him, he would be the perfect backup for almost any team.
Quote from: DM83 on August 07, 2024, 02:34:12 AMPete, Stats are for losers.
Not what they were saying for the oast two years about zac. And until last game Adams was the favorite and still is for mop. (In his first game against us he looked like just that. ) Im not saying hes the best qb but hes top 3 in the league this year)
Saying stats is for losers is another way of stating "don't let the facts get in the way of a good story'"
Quote from: Pete on August 07, 2024, 03:17:46 PMNot what they were saying for the oast two years about zac. And until last game Adams was the favorite and still is for mop. (In his first game against us he looked like just that. ) Im not saying hes the best qb but hes top 3 in the league this year)
Saying stats is for losers is another way of stating "don't let the facts get in the way of my opinion"
The knock on VA has always been his mental state vs his physical ability. He throws a nice ball, is mobile when healthy, but he can be frustrated fairly easily. When he's at his best is when he gets the ball out quickly to his primary receiver. Take that away and force him to read the D to find the open receiver and he struggles, gets the happy feet, and makes a bad throw, gets picked off, or runs with it and gets hurt (he's not a big man). He reminds me of Speedy B, Brandon Banks. Talented but easily frustrated and often hurt. If Banks was a QB he'd be VA.
Lot of truth to that, generally hes pretty accurate on his first read. And with the receivers hes had often they will be open, or will make the disputed catch (ie Mcinnis)
We took that away last game and he struggled.
Especially when he couldn't run away from the pressure as we kept him in the pocket
My question is if your bc who would you rather have as your qb right now? Thats playing in the cfl)
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 07, 2024, 05:46:06 AMLions are now reporting that Adams Jr. is out for the "foreseeable future". What that exactly means is uncertain but it sounds more serious than initially stated.
I looked on social and the usual places, where did they report that? TSN published an article today at 8:17 AM EST and made no mention.
The Lions don't have any other QBs on their roster so I expect Adams will be listed as the #3 QB on the depth chart. Whether he dresses or not is the question.
Masoli here they come or MBT
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2024, 03:02:26 PMHard to say if that is true or not, coaches evaluated him at every stop along the way and decided not to invest in him long-term. Could be he's physically gifted like many QB's but not all that smart, which has always been a recipe for failure.
VAJ having many different coaches and playbooks happened. And that makes it more difficult to develop.
That's true.
Trying to claim he's not smart, especially after all his success in recent years, is simply disingenuous.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 07, 2024, 01:46:38 PMStrange cause in the Province article from yesterday this was Adams:
I'm feeling much better. We got better news than we expected," said Adams, who was wearing brace on his knee Tuesday. "It's not ligaments (damaged) or anything.
"So I'm just ready to attack rehab and get back better and stronger than ever. I need to stayed locked in mentally and do what I can for Jake, Brice and the team.
"The swelling has gone down. I'm just taking it day by day. You can't rush into it too much. You've got to take baby steps and slowly build that strength."
All of these things can mean the same thing.
Campbell's initial "weeks not months"; Adams' "good news"; the Lions' "foreseeable future" can all be under the exact same timeline.
We are obviously not privy to details and people are taking the same information and projecting positive or negative takes based on their interpretations.
Quote from: Pete on August 07, 2024, 03:39:37 PMLot of truth to that, generally hes pretty accurate on his first read. And with the receivers hes had often they will be open, or will make the disputed catch (ie Mcinnis)
We took that away last game and he struggled.
Especially when he couldn't run away from the pressure as we kept him in the pocket
My question is if your bc who would you rather have as your qb right now? Thats playing in the cfl)
Y'mean other than Zach? :-)
Quote from: Jesse on August 07, 2024, 04:03:55 PMVAJ having many different coaches and playbooks happened. And that makes it more difficult to develop.
That's true.
Trying to claim he's not smart, especially after all his success in recent years, is simply disingenuous.
Depends how you mark success, he's won a few games but that's what he's well paid to do. Like Fajardo, until he wins playoff games he'll always be questioned.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2024, 04:12:07 PMDepends how you mark success, he's won a few games but that's what he's well paid to do.
Since joining the Lions, he's posted a 20-10 record as the starting QB. That's more than a few games.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 07, 2024, 04:12:07 PMLike Fajardo, until he wins playoff games he'll always be questioned.
The same could be said for any QB. That doesn't negate regular season achievements, though.
It's tough to measure. The knee is such a complicated joint. But rest does work. Hopefully he will take coaching to eat the ball, throw more swing or screens to the backs, and stop standing in the pocket taking hits. This isn't the NFL.
Quote from: Jesse on August 07, 2024, 04:03:55 PMVAJ having many different coaches and playbooks happened. And that makes it more difficult to develop.
That's true.
Trying to claim he's not smart, especially after all his success in recent years, is simply disingenuous.
Got dumped once, or maybe twice, for Johnny manziel. lol. Great decision making there.
I like VA but I think he puts himself in bad spots trying to do too much, and, I agree, he does not have the build for that.
I wonder if this injury is in any way similar (or related) to his knee injury last year: https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/bc-lions-qb-vernon-adams-jr-suffers-knee-injury-will-undergo-further-evaluation-1.1987142
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 07, 2024, 04:53:36 PMI wonder if this injury is in any way similar (or related) to his knee injury last year: https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/bc-lions-qb-vernon-adams-jr-suffers-knee-injury-will-undergo-further-evaluation-1.1987142
It could very well be and like last year it'll affect his effectiveness.
Did anyone ever find a source for this Vernon Adams health claim? I cannot see it.
i think it was taken out of context..in the article it says foreseeable future but goes on to say a few weeks https://www.cfl.ca/2024/08/06/rick-campbell-on-lions-starting-qb-jakes-going-to-be-the-guy/
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 07, 2024, 03:59:57 PMThe Lions don't have any other QBs on their roster so I expect Adams will be listed as the #3 QB on the depth chart. Whether he dresses or not is the question.
If it's remotely medium-term you have to place him on the 6G pronto to get the relief you need to bring in a capable backup. Haven't they place him on the 6G yet?
If they put him on the 1G for 4-5 weeks, how does that make any sense?
Rest him for 6+ and be ready for playoffs. They're virtually assured 1st or 2nd already.
Quote from: Pete on August 07, 2024, 04:03:18 PMMasoli here they come or MBT
Masoli would be the far cheaper option. And he's a high-risk high-reward choice, and BC braintrust seems to like that M.O..
Quote from: Jesse on August 07, 2024, 04:03:55 PMVAJ having many different coaches and playbooks happened. And that makes it more difficult to develop.
That's true.
Trying to claim he's not smart, especially after all his success in recent years, is simply disingenuous.
He's not. He's not cerebral. He's impulsive. That's part of what makes him good, is he sees something and he slings it fast. But it can work against him if DCs figure out how to trick him.
No doubt VAJ is athletically gifted, and he has a great fast release and arm, and no doubt he has high football IQ. But he's about as smart as Cody... they aren't winning any mensa awards.
But do the best QBs ever have to be geniuses? If there's a scale of brains to athleticism, which area makes the best QBs? The middle? I don't know. The top CFL QBs of the last decade have been on the brainier side of the scale (Calvillo, BLM, Zach, Ray, Reilly, maybe Burris). But Durant, Kelly and Cody aren't mental giants and they also won cups. (I'd argue you have to win more than one lucky one to count as a "top CFL QB" though.)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 08, 2024, 12:31:05 AMIf it's remotely medium-term you have to place him on the 6G pronto to get the relief you need to bring in a capable backup. Haven't they place him on the 6G yet?
Nope. They're still saying game to game.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 08, 2024, 12:31:05 AMIf they put him on the 1G for 4-5 weeks, how does that make any sense?
Rest him for 6+ and be ready for playoffs. They're virtually assured 1st or 2nd already.
I dunno about that. A 25-0 drubbing
with there No. 1 QB playing almost the whole game doesn't bode well moving forward. We could see an extended slump.
Quote from: J5V on August 08, 2024, 12:49:47 AMNope. They're still saying game to game.I dunno about that. A 25-0 drubbing with there No. 1 QB playing almost the whole game doesn't bode well moving forward. We could see an extended slump.
And EDM beat SSK in SSK. You can't read too much into one week of games. EDM may go back to sucking, and BC could go back to being king of the hill. Who knows.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 08, 2024, 12:52:04 AMAnd EDM beat SSK in SSK. You can't read too much into one week of games. EDM may go back to sucking, and BC could go back to being king of the hill. Who knows.
True. This upcoming game with the Elks and BC is going to be interesting. If the Elks take a page out of our playbook and lay another drubbing on the Lions they could go into a bit of a slide. Are they good enough to win with Dolegala?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 08, 2024, 12:52:04 AMAnd EDM beat SSK in SSK. You can't read too much into one week of games. EDM may go back to sucking, and BC could go back to being king of the hill. Who knows.
Edmonton won't suck with Ford under centre, they will be competitive with anyone. Ford gives them the elusive scramble option that changes defenses dramatically. And didn't BC lose to Calgary at home the week before they played us?? I don't think they're going to the top of any hill anytime soon with VA out and even when he comes back, they'll be middle of the road
Quote from: dd on August 08, 2024, 01:57:13 AMEdmonton won't suck with Ford under centre, they will be competitive with anyone. Ford gives them the elusive scramble option that changes defenses dramatically. And didn't BC lose to Calgary at home the week before they played us?? I don't think they're going to the top of any hill anytime soon with VA out and even when he comes back, they'll be middle of the road
I thought DC's figured out Ford late last season, let him run around the backfield all he wants, just stick to the receivers like glue until someone catches him or he throws it up for grabs.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 08, 2024, 02:42:47 AMI thought DC's figured out Ford late last season, let him run around the backfield all he wants, just stick to the receivers like glue until someone catches him or he throws it up for grabs.
Sure, but it's very hard to do in practice. No one can play man coverage forever. Keeping him in the pocket requires a very athletic but controlled pass rush.
With Tre Ford back behind centre, the Elks running game suddenly becomes a dual threat and look what Leake did to Sasks vaunted run defence! Tre Ford can also break one for a huge gain at any time and he also can throw on the run. He is simply difficult to contain due to his athleticism and ability to escape the pass rush. He simply can do things that MBT could not do and he makes his offence multidimensional. The West just got more competitive with the addition of Tre Ford.....it won't be easy making 3rd place and the playoffs in the west and the Bombers are still a long way off from being a .500 team.
Was our last blowout win a one of or are the 2024 Bombers, a team we've enjoyed watching the past 4 seasons, back? We shall soon see
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on August 08, 2024, 04:47:19 AMWith Tre Ford back behind centre, the Elks running game suddenly becomes a dual threat and look what Leake did to Sasks vaunted run defence! Tre Ford can also break one for a huge gain at any time and he also can throw on the run. He is simply difficult to contain due to his athleticism and ability to escape the pass rush. He simply can do things that MBT could not do and he makes his offence multidimensional. The West just got more competitive with the addition of Tre Ford.....it won't be easy making 3rd place and the playoffs in the west and the Bombers are still a long way off from being a .500 team.
Was our last blowout win a one of or are the 2024 Bombers, a team we've enjoyed watching the past 4 seasons, back? We shall soon see
I agree with you completely. What gives a Bomber fan a lot of hope is our defense and special teams play. They have been consistently good. There is also hope now that our offense is rounding into shape and with the imminent return of many of our injured vets we have a good chance of making a run in the second half of the season.
Also, the front runners in the West have run into their own injury issues and starting to fall back to the pack. Us beating BC and the Elks beating Sask is the evidence of that. The West truly is wide open.
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on August 08, 2024, 04:47:19 AMWith Tre Ford back behind centre, the Elks running game suddenly becomes a dual threat and look what Leake did to Sasks vaunted run defence! Tre Ford can also break one for a huge gain at any time and he also can throw on the run. He is simply difficult to contain due to his athleticism and ability to escape the pass rush. He simply can do things that MBT could not do and he makes his offence multidimensional. The West just got more competitive with the addition of Tre Ford.....it won't be easy making 3rd place and the playoffs in the west and the Bombers are still a long way off from being a .500 team.
Was our last blowout win a one of or are the 2024 Bombers, a team we've enjoyed watching the past 4 seasons, back? We shall soon see
Tre Ford got off to a good start last season when he replaced Cornelius, he went 5-6 overall but lost his last 4 games in a row, so I think DC's pretty much know how to shut him down. He does open things up for other players and the Elks have nothing to lose at this point, but scramble ball can only take a team so far.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 08, 2024, 04:46:44 PMTre Ford got off to a good start last season when he replaced Cornelius, he went 5-6 overall but lost his last 4 games in a row, so I think DC's pretty much know how to shut him down. He does open things up for other players and the Elks have nothing to lose at this point, but scramble ball can only take a team so far.
The question is how far he has progressed as a passer and how much better he is at reading defenses than he was at the end of last year. Because if (and that's a big if) he can figure that out he's going to be a big problem. Even if he's marginally better it's not going to be easy assignment.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 08, 2024, 04:48:06 PMThe question is how far he has progressed as a passer and how much better he is at reading defenses than he was at the end of last year. Because if (and that's a big if) he can figure that out he's going to be a big problem. Even if he's marginally better it's not going to be easy assignment.
He is electric - I think he is going to get better and if he and his OC and HC can embrace what he brings to the table it will be great for the CFL.
In 2-3 years the CFL will belong to Trey Ford!
Lions just brought in another QB to their PR. That could be a suggestion that Adams will be gone longer than claimed to this point.
Quote from: J5V on August 08, 2024, 01:35:45 AMTrue. This upcoming game with the Elks and BC is going to be interesting. If the Elks take a page out of our playbook and lay another drubbing on the Lions they could go into a bit of a slide. Are they good enough to win with Dolegala?
Dolegala? :D Was a joke in Sask! Don't expect much better in BC. Will be running for his life.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 08, 2024, 04:46:44 PMTre Ford got off to a good start last season when he replaced Cornelius, he went 5-6 overall but lost his last 4 games in a row, so I think DC's pretty much know how to shut him down. He does open things up for other players and the Elks have nothing to lose at this point, but scramble ball can only take a team so far.
New head coach now, new OC too I think? Getting that clown Chris Jones out of town probably made the entire locker room celebrate! :) Ford is a specific for certain....he just needs a legitimate chance and grow into the full time starting QB role. Edmonton is not really playing much for this year (Although they still have a chance to get into the playoffs). The mentality has to be for building toward next year and NO TEAM is building with Macleod Bethel Thompson. A good veteran backup for sure, but he lost EVERY GAME this year so nobody can say he deserves the starting role. Maybe not all his fault, but DEM'S DA BREAKS in football! ;)
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 08, 2024, 05:47:11 PMNew head coach now, new OC too I think? Getting that clown Chris Jones out of town probably made the entire locker room celebrate! :) Ford is a specific for certain....he just needs a legitimate chance and grow into the full time starting QB role. Edmonton is not really playing much for this year (Although they still have a chance to get into the playoffs). The mentality has to be for building toward next year and NO TEAM is building with Macleod Bethel Thompson. A good veteran backup for sure, but he lost EVERY GAME this year so nobody can say he deserves the starting role. Maybe not all his fault, but DEM'S DA BREAKS in football! ;)
Ford has the natural physical ability to become a good to great QB. The problem is that many good runners use that skill too often and don't develop their passing skills. Part of the issue is that " runners " often get injured early and often.
Others like Flutie of D. Allen became good passers while being dangerous runners.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on August 08, 2024, 05:47:11 PMNew head coach now, new OC too I think? Getting that clown Chris Jones out of town probably made the entire locker room celebrate! :) Ford is a specific for certain....he just needs a legitimate chance and grow into the full time starting QB role. Edmonton is not really playing much for this year (Although they still have a chance to get into the playoffs). The mentality has to be for building toward next year and NO TEAM is building with Macleod Bethel Thompson. A good veteran backup for sure, but he lost EVERY GAME this year so nobody can say he deserves the starting role. Maybe not all his fault, but DEM'S DA BREAKS in football! ;)
Dumb to blame MBT for what's happened in Edmonton, he's a no nonsense competitor that would be a good addition for any team in the league. Jarious Jackson is still the OC as he was under Jones.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 08, 2024, 06:39:21 PMDumb to blame MBT for what's happened in Edmonton, he's a no nonsense competitor that would be a good addition for any team in the league. Jarious Jackson is still the OC as he was under Jones.
I'm not blaming MBT at all. He was mainly caught up in a hail storm in Edmonton earlier. I will say though if you are a BUILDING team like Edmonton is, then you need a QB to build around. You are not contenders on the brink of a GC. MBT is soon getting long in the tooth to be honest, so you can't bank on him long term. A great backup and mentor maybe, but if Edmonton is going to swing fan interest around, he is not really the guy to do that.
Heck people on this forum were asking to run Zach out of town just a few games ago!! 🤔 I never advocated for that.
I think the Bombers can go at least 6-3 over the second half of the season with what is shaping up with returning vets and how very well our defence is playing and special teams is good as well (especially kicking game)...we just need a return man, but as long as you don't fumble or do stupid plays on returns that is acceptable. Turning the ball over is ALWAYS a bugaboo for a returner.
I hope Zach has found his groove finally. Getting better protection and rumbling on the ground certainly helps the overall offence.
BC in major trouble for a few games at least. Sask on a downward slide EVEN IF Trevor Harris comes back. Calgary is middle of the road. Edmonton maybe recovering, but could be too little too late. Like I have said the past few weeks, the WEST is wide open for the taking even for a 3rd place team if they get hot during the playoffs. Maybe not Calgary as they have not even won one road game yet!! :) Mind you the Bombers are ALSO 0-4 on the road too! :( These two teams seem to only like home cooking. Winning in BC in 1.5 weeks will be a good road warrior start! :)
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 08, 2024, 06:11:26 PMFord has the natural physical ability to become a good to great QB. The problem is that many good runners use that skill too often and don't develop their passing skills. Part of the issue is that " runners " often get injured early and often.
Others like Flutie of D. Allen became good passers while being dangerous runners.
Hence why I stated "he just needs a legitimate chance and grow into the full time starting QB role". He is not quite there yet. I certainly see the potential though.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 08, 2024, 02:42:47 AMI thought DC's figured out Ford late last season, let him run around the backfield all he wants, just stick to the receivers like glue until someone catches him or he throws it up for grabs.
Yup. Ford was shutdown pretty quick once the film came out in '23. They'll do it again this season too. He's not Mahomes. He's more like Crum/Dukes, or maybe even a weaker/younger version of VAJ.
That said, Ford is probably the best thing for EDM right now because their OL is hot garbage. When that's true, you cannot have a Ricky Ray pocket passer like MBT: he'll just get sacked all day.
Ford will do way better with the bad EDM situation until he gets injured flailing around the backfield. If I'm EDM, I'm looking to airlift some quality OL in or it'll be another lost season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 09, 2024, 06:38:30 AMYup. Ford was shutdown pretty quick once the film came out in '23. They'll do it again this season too. He's not Mahomes. He's more like Crum/Dukes, or maybe even a weaker/younger version of VAJ.
That said, Ford is probably the best thing for EDM right now because their OL is hot garbage. When that's true, you cannot have a Ricky Ray pocket passer like MBT: he'll just get sacked all day.
Ford will do way better with the bad EDM situation until he gets injured flailing around the backfield. If I'm EDM, I'm looking to airlift some quality OL in or it'll be another lost season.
Don't really understand what went wrong in Edmonton, Jones was always quite good in finding and bringing in new talent. I think he just had too much on his plate handling 3 jobs at once and didn't have a clue how to build a culture where players would want to stay long-term as they moved on from many terrific players in the last few years. Also didn't help he surrounded himself with his buddies who ultimately became "yes men".
Jones's was horrible. Reminds me of Trump. Not a leader in the 21st century.
From 3rdDownNation...
...The B.C. Lions (5-3) will visit the Edmonton Elks (1-7) on Sunday, August 11 at 7:00 p.m. EDT. They will be without franchise quarterback Vernon Adams Jr. for that game and potentially the next several weeks due to a knee injury, with Jake Dolegala getting the start and Chase Brice backing up...
https://3downnation.com/2024/08/08/nominative-determinism-b-c-lions-sign-american-qb-brennan-armstrong/
Did you know left handed QBs Balls come out with a different spin and provide a challenge for receivers to catch?
Quote from: DM83 on August 11, 2024, 01:52:50 AMDid you know left handed QBs Balls come out with a different spin and provide a challenge for receivers to catch?
a) didn't know that, but makes sense
b) maybe it's easier for left-handed receivers? :D :D :D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 11, 2024, 02:09:50 AMa) didn't know that, but makes sense
b) maybe it's easier for left-handed receivers? :D :D :D
I remember hearing this about Ken Stabler who was a great left handed NFL QB. The receivers had to get used to the reverse spin on the football.
Reverse spin really does mess with your eyes. It is more noticeable with a striped (CFL) ball vs. an unstriped (NFL) ball.
Back to the topic at hand:
Vernon Adams is listed as the 3rd string QB on the depth chart. I don't expect him to dress.
Quote from: J5V on August 11, 2024, 02:13:00 AMI remember hearing this about Ken Stabler who was a great left handed NFL QB. The receivers had to get used to the reverse spin on the football.
THE ORIGINAL SNAKE!! Former Oakland Raiders QB in the 1970's with John Madden as head coach. They won a Super Bowl together in January, 1977.