We keep referring to "must win" games and here we are with another one. The Bombers are still banged up and may have lost Pat Neufeld for a period of time. With the woes of the Oline have been discussed infinitum in the press and on the forum, the loss of Neufeld (though not yet confirmed) would not help the situation. Will Drew Wolitarsky be fit to play?
Yet, we are playing at home in front of our great fans who will make life miserable for the Lions. And if Lucky Whitehead gets in the game, he should bring a bit of an attitude along with some intel on the Lions.
Ball security is also on the minds of the Bombers as reiterated by Nic Demski in Ed Tait's 48-Hour Primer here! (http://"http://www.bluebombers.com/2024/07/30/48-hour-primer-week-9/")
"You focus on it. You focus on it a lot. That's what I've been doing," said (Nic) Demski of the turnovers. "I've been dialling it down and making sure that I'm tucking the ball away, putting two hands on the ball.
"....It's going back to the basics. It's a humbling feeling, it's a humbling moment. But at the end of the day, in order to make plays and put this team in a good position to win, I've got to do that. I've got to go back to basics and put two hands on the ball and not make as much happen after the play. That just comes with it. It's football.
"Sometimes you're going to get the bounces, sometimes you're not. Right now, I'm pretty sure that it's obvious to see, I'm not getting the bounces. So, I've just got to go back to fundamental football...."
Huge implications in this game again. The Big Questions...
- Can the Oline solidify and give Zach maximum protection?
- Can the Bombers avoid turnovers and costly penalties?
- Can the Defence put pressure and containment on Vernon Adams Jr. and keep him from throwing for 300+ yards?
Stay tuned, stay strong, stay positive. Let's Go Bombers.
Come on depth chart...
We know Lucky has been moved to the AR
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Ok Mr. Randolph - good luck, we believe in you!!
Lucky will be getting lots of time on the field, more than one injury to a receiver and I guess Augustine is next man up.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2024, 02:49:03 PMOk Mr. Randolph - good luck, we believe in you!!
Lucky will be getting lots of time on the field, more than one injury to a receiver and I guess Augustine is next man up.
Case
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on July 31, 2024, 02:55:40 PMCase
Case covers the one injury...my comment was more than one...
Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2024, 02:49:03 PMOk Mr. Randolph - good luck, we believe in you!!
Lucky will be getting lots of time on the field, more than one injury to a receiver and I guess Augustine is next man up.
Can't say I recall seeing Randolph play, but he must know this is his best chance ever to make an impression.
So we lost Woli and Neufeld to injury. Did they go to 1 game or 6 game IR?
Randolph in at RG. Karamoko and Kelly in as extra DB's. Whitehead in replacing the roster spot of the import DB's moved to PR.
Hmmmm. Fingers crossed that Randolph in particular can improve both run and pass blocking. Best defence is an offence that stays on the field.
That's 3 players added from PR and 2 pushed back to PR. Kelly comes off 1 game IR and added to AR.
We're running out of bodies. Depending on the long term aspect of new injuries we may see a couple of new players added to PR over the bye.
Down to 8 Canadian starters now.
Next man up, let's play Bomber ball! Win the line of scrimmage and hit them with bombs and Brady!
Defense is realitivly healthy and consistent. The strength of the club.
Woli and Neufeld out, that's two nats, only Kelly in. Does Karamoko balance that?
Whitehead and Randolph in, Bridges and McGhee out...
Depending on how Randolph plays, this could be an upgrade. 2 backups out, two guys come in to start.
Going to be interesting.
Eight Canadians! OMG! We must be miles ahead in the National Olympics to resort to this! ;D
Neuf and Woli on the 6 game, a crazy year for injuries.
I'd love to know how many man-games have been lost due to injuries this season and if that's some kind of record or not.
I can't recall a season that was even remotely as bad as this one.
We had good luck with injuries during our mini dynasty
The struggles this year could pay dividends for future year if we can continue to develop and retain our core
Agree I can't remember something like this before
We need to bring Sheed back, he knows our offence and is a good receiver.
I would not doubt that 2024 has had the most games lost to 6 game IR since the 6 game IR started. Probably in the 9 game IR era as well.
And we're not even halfway through the season.
Is it the new turf? Is it too soft and hasn't "packed down" enough yet? Do we need to get a steamroller out there for a couple hours?
We have 2 strength and conditioning coaches and 4 athletic therapists, and a world class facility for practice / workout and treatment. How are we getting these injuries, and how are they not rehabbing faster?
Are we just suffering from the kharma of being a low injury team for so long, and now it hits?
Quote from: Horseman on July 31, 2024, 04:10:42 PMWe need to bring Sheed back, he knows our offence and is a good receiver.
Sheed in for Johnson seems a no brainer. Sheed into Woli's spot, Lucky into Johnson's.
With the bye, there should be time to accomplish this, and the money with all our 6 game $SMS advantages.
according to Derek Taylor Haba is now on the 1 game after completing his 6 game.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2024, 04:18:15 PMaccording to Derek Taylor Haba is now on the 1 game after completing his 6 game.
Good news. We need someone behind Garbutt. Would be nice getting back to dressing 8 DL. And getting a full Cheetah formation going
Quote from: Horseman on July 31, 2024, 04:10:42 PMWe need to bring Sheed back, he knows our offence and is a good receiver.
Quote from: Horseman on July 31, 2024, 04:10:42 PMWe need to bring Sheed back, he knows our offence and is a good receiver.
I'm still against it. I think there's a reason we couldn't find the dollars for him to stay and never committed financially to him. He's probably a short term upgrade over Johnson but it's incremental and probably doesn't result in additional wins. Why pay the SMS cost for that at 2 and 6?
Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2024, 04:18:15 PMaccording to Derek Taylor Haba is now on the 1 game after completing his 6 game.
I'd put Haba ahead of Garbutt.
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BC is healthy and rested. Yikes.
Ya, that's what worries me too.
Everyone saw what Toronto did to our offense in last weeks game, blitz the middle and kill Collaros, I am hoping we have a FB in the scheme to help out with this or Collaros won't finish the game.
I think our secondary is capable of covering the Lions recievers, but with only 5 days rest, the second half of this game could be a long one for them.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 31, 2024, 04:21:30 PMI'd put Haba ahead of Garbutt.
Agree, Haba seems to be a little quicker.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 31, 2024, 04:21:30 PMI'd put Haba ahead of Garbutt.
I think that's a meaningless distinction. We need both playing probably the same amount of snaps.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2024, 02:49:03 PMOk Mr. Randolph - good luck, we believe in you!!
Lucky will be getting lots of time on the field, more than one injury to a receiver and I guess Augustine is next man up.
We've had 2 games showing Streveler is the next man up.
Will be another very hot humid day tomorrow. I see BC going with 8 DL and 6 OL. Bombers 7 DL and 7 OL.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 31, 2024, 04:12:04 PMI would not doubt that 2024 has had the most games lost to 6 game IR since the 6 game IR started. Probably in the 9 game IR era as well.
And we're not even halfway through the season.
Is it the new turf? Is it too soft and hasn't "packed down" enough yet? Do we need to get a steamroller out there for a couple hours?
We have 2 strength and conditioning coaches and 4 athletic therapists, and a world class facility for practice / workout and treatment. How are we getting these injuries, and how are they not rehabbing faster?
Are we just suffering from the kharma of being a low injury team for so long, and now it hits?
If all the injures were happening at home maybe, but there not.
We have been really lucky in terms of injuries for a really long time. Look how many teams have lost their starting QB in the last 5 years. Its just our time to get our share of the injuries.
Over 30k sold!
Quote from: Jesse on July 31, 2024, 06:10:24 PMI think that's a meaningless distinction. We need both playing probably the same amount of snaps.
We've had 2 games showing Streveler is the next man up.
I am hoping they would be going away from that...you can't tell me Augustine isn't a better option at slot than Strev.
Quote from: The Zipp on July 31, 2024, 07:23:40 PMI am hoping they would be going away from that...you can't tell me Augustine isn't a better option at slot than Strev.
I'm not telling you anything except what we've seen the Bombers do with both Strev and Johnny available.
Quote from: dd on July 31, 2024, 06:07:31 PMYa, that's what worries me too.8
Everyone saw what Toronto did to our offense in last weeks game, blitz the middle and kill Collaros, I am hoping we have a FB in the scheme to help out with this or Collaros won't finish the game.
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I agree. They really need to help Zach.
He has a lot of guts to play, so soon after the awful beating he took the other day.
Every game has own personality, one turnover,1 sack,maybe Defensive td Special teams td . Followed by 2 and out,followed by Bombers offensive TD.All of a sudden 14 nothing early in first qtr,but don't let them come back,killer instinct
That's how I see it
Its not a mystery what bc will do:
On defence 1st down stack the middle against run, 2nd dwn if 7 yds or more blitz
On offence hit ths short slants or outs til alexander moves in then long ball to hollins.
We need to play more press coverage with Alexander playing more of a true safety rather than just a run stopper
Quote from: ModAdmin on July 31, 2024, 04:49:58 AM"....It's going back to the basics. It's a humbling feeling, it's a humbling moment. But at the end of the day, in order to make plays and put this team in a good position to win, I've got to do that. I've got to go back to basics and put two hands on the ball and not make as much happen after the play. That just comes with it. It's football.
Ugh, took Demski & WFC 2 more weeks of fumbling after I was screaming this? Oh well, better late than never. Now he better do what he says he's gonna do with those 2 hands!
And... ding ding ding, 3 IMP OL and MOS states Eli too small... finally, WFC listening to the forum!!
If we still suck, next do 4 IMP OL.
I do find it a bit odd that we decided "the guy" at RG is going to be a TE converted to a OT... now converted to a RG. Well, I'll assume they know what they're doing! Can our OL be any worse than last week? That would be EDM level bad, so I'll assume the answer is "no".
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 31, 2024, 03:56:57 PMEight Canadians! OMG! We must be miles ahead in the National Olympics to resort to this! ;D
You beat me to the quip. We're still starting enough NATs we can go 4 IMP OL! :o :o 8)
Quote from: Pigskin on July 31, 2024, 03:57:20 PMNeuf and Woli on the 6 game, a crazy year for injuries.
You know what that means... dare I speak its name? Demski is last man standing. Football gods have a target on his back. I shudder to think...
Quote from: theaardvark on July 31, 2024, 04:12:04 PMIs it the new turf? Is it too soft and hasn't "packed down" enough yet? Do we need to get a steamroller out there for a couple hours?
Ya, but like half the injuries have been upper body... not a turf issue. Take Kenny & Woli taking smacks in YAC.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 31, 2024, 04:12:04 PMAre we just suffering from the kharma of being a low injury team for so long, and now it hits?
See:
http://forums.bluebombers.com/index.php?topic=55878.0
Quote from: dd on July 31, 2024, 06:07:31 PMEveryone saw what Toronto did to our offense in last weeks game, blitz the middle and kill Collaros, I am hoping we have a FB in the scheme to help out with this or Collaros won't finish the game.
You need to stop saying "blitz the middle". Sacking and whacking Zach didn't require any blitz by TOR. Just a straight on rush. Even that article circulating with the stats showed that all but 1 of the sacks was a straight 3 or 4 man rush. Ouch.
I can only wish Zach was taking sacks by the blitz!! That would be infinitely better than the hot garbage we saw last game.
That new IMP hoggie better be darn good instead of a mistake-filled rookie or Zach may not survive the half. I'll choose to be cautiously optimistic.
Quote from: Pete on August 01, 2024, 12:31:42 AMIts not a mystery what bc will do:
On defence 1st down stack the middle against run, 2nd dwn if 7 yds or more blitz
On offence hit ths short slants or outs til alexander moves in then long ball to hollins.
We need to play more press coverage with Alexander playing more of a true safety rather than just a run stopper
I'm not sure BC is patient enough for short slants half the night. Plus, that last BC game they showed how to cutoff McInnis' automatic 10Y slant play: get a DL or LB in front of him.
Heck, why bother even putting a man on McInnis... instead everyone should be guessing and undercutting the route. Let a DB or FS come up and stop an explosion if he catches the ball. Some undersized man coverage won't stop him catching it, so why bother. Give up the 10-17Y every catch and instead
try to stop the catch in the first place. Turn a couple into batdowns and INTs and BC will stop that right quick. Medium risk, high reward.
Oh ya, and tackle him low (legally!!) in the legs... he's had a wonky leg for many weeks now. He was almost out of the last game.
Can we hold onto the ball tonight? How will our OL perform tonight? Can our front 7 get pressure on Adams?
Quote from: Pigskin on August 01, 2024, 03:53:10 PMCan we hold onto the ball tonight? How will our OL perform tonight? Can our front 7 get pressure on Adams?
Let me see if I can answer that:
Can we hold onto the ball tonight -
probably not!How will our OL peform -
probably a C- or D+Can our front 7 get pressure on Adams -
Maybe but he is very mobile and guys like Jake Thomas could not catch a turtle if they had a head start.
Looks like 31 for kickoff and 6K wind.
On Lucky Whitehead...
...He (Lucky Whitehead) was clutching a T-shirt as he conducted his media session on Thursday given to him after practice by a fan. Featured prominently on the shirt is a photo of Whitehead with the fan from when he joined the zanies in Section 141 for the 2021 West Final here in Winnipeg and a Blue Bombers win over the Saskatchewan Roughriders.
"I'm super excited to run down there and obviously, get them pumped up," said Whitehead with a grin. "I'm going to get the stadium pumped up. Obviously, that's just my energy and my character. And it helps me to do fun stuff on the field within the game.
"If you see my catch something and I'm going out of bounds and I'm closer to the fans, I'm definitely going to get them pumped up any chance I get whether it's a one-yard catch or 30."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/08/01/the-lede-i-got-a-pep-in-my-step-ive-got-fresh-legs-and-im-excited-to-fly-around/
How will Lucky arrive at the stadium today? He always arrives in style, so what will it be today?
I predict he scores a TD tonight.
Lucky will be ok. I don't expect big things buy hope I'm wrong.
Bring a spray bottle to the game to beat the heat!
Quote from: BBRT on August 01, 2024, 03:58:44 PMLet me see if I can answer that:
Can we hold onto the ball tonight - probably not!
How will our OL peform - probably a C- or D+
Can our front 7 get pressure on Adams - Maybe but he is very mobile and guys like Jake Thomas could not catch a turtle if they had a head start.
Jake been a very steady performer for us, over stated on the negative
OL B- imo
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2024, 06:05:44 PMLucky will be ok. I don't expect big things buy hope I'm wrong.
Bring a spray bottle to the game to beat the heat!
Jake been a very steady performer for us, over stated on the negative
OL B- imo
If OL was a B-, we wouldn't have a D- record.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2024, 06:05:44 PMLucky will be ok. I don't expect big things buy hope I'm wrong.
Bring a spray bottle to the game to beat the heat!
Jake been a very steady performer for us, over stated on the negative
OL B- imo
Maybe a little too pessimistic hope I am wrong. We have certainly gone through worse years in the past. Really sort of sucks though to see Chungh and Couture on their OL.
Man I hope Thomas gets 2 sacks tonite
Quote from: BBRT on August 01, 2024, 06:36:18 PMMaybe a little too pessimistic hope I am wrong. We have certainly gone through worse years in the past. Really sort of sucks though to see Chungh and Couture on their OL.
Yup. We turned things over once too many times.
Quote from: Jesse on August 01, 2024, 06:44:40 PMYup. We turned things over once too many times.
Those guys made more than we could afford anyway. Had good money on Big Stand and showed we could plug and play quite nicely. It's only this year we're noticing a downgrade in the OL but for years ours was better than BC's with those guys. It's a similar situation with Desjarlais in Ottawa.
Quote from: Jesse on August 01, 2024, 06:34:21 PMIf OL was a B-, we wouldn't have a D- record.
Yes, we are what our record says we are, and only the Blue Bombers can change that for the better.
I'm hoping to see i)high intensity, ii)ball security, iii)improved Oline play, iv)improved Dline play, v)excellent coverage, vi)strong tackling, and smart coaching.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 01, 2024, 06:05:44 PMLucky will be ok. I don't expect big things buy hope I'm wrong.
Bring a spray bottle to the game to beat the heat!
Jake been a very steady performer for us, over stated on the negative
OL B- imo
Over stated in the positive with Blue tinted glasses.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 01, 2024, 10:08:04 PMOver stated in the positive with Blue tinted glasses.
According to Environment Canada it is 32C at the moment in the Peg and I assume the humidity is right up there also. Here in Calgary it is 30C but a nice breeze so do not have the AC running at the moment. And I hope Jake does have a good game as I was a little tough on him on a previous post. To me keeping BC off the field as much as possible is the game changer. And NO turnovers!!
The heat is hard on the fat guys. Watch the linemen drop like flies in the 2nd half when dehydration kicks in
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2024, 10:26:30 PMThe heat is hard on the fat guys. Watch the linemen drop like flies in the 2nd half when dehydration kicks in
I bet we handle the humidity better than they do
Maybe so, our guys have been practicing in decent heat. It may come down to who has the most depth on the line as the game progresses. Running around would be brutal, physically battling the guy across from you would be exhausting, and the D line rotates guys in. I m worried our hoggies will go down and we'll be into putting in nobbies on an O line that already is starting a noobie in Randolph. Maybe we'll see Jake in at guard tonight!!!
True test of our secondary tonight. Elite qb with some high quality receivers - let's go boys!!
Quote from: dd on August 01, 2024, 11:29:54 PMMaybe so, our guys have been practicing in decent heat. It may come down to who has the most depth on the line as the game progresses. Running around would be brutal, physically battling the guy across from you would be exhausting, and the D line rotates guys in. I m worried our hoggies will go down and we'll be into putting in nobbies on an O line that already is starting a noobie in Randolph. Maybe we'll see Jake in at guard tonight!!!
Hoping to see Lucky's best impersonation of Grant tonight, dreds and all.
Please no phantom PI calls tonight.
Wow. Lost yards to Johnson on the first play...then short on 2nd down by the amount they lost
What a dumb play call on first down
Shank a roonie
What was that!!
need to play error free, but theres the first one. lousy kick
Everything about that series was a 2-6 team
Not the best start.
has Johnson deked anyone all year?
is suitor the dumbest commentator? Hatcher wants to get smacked...????
Dodged a bullet there.
Case doesn't look terrible.
There it is. More mistakes huge penalty on 2nd and 2 that we got
Focus
And another penalty - declined but still shows lack of focus
Seen enough of Kolenkowski already.
How is Johnson still running offside after how many starts?? Can we please take him off the field, it's embarassing he gets starters reps. Does absolutely nothing but gets 1-2 offside penalties. Put in a tight end instead of him to help with protection
last year we thought Grey was the weakest link..its showing it wasn't him but Kolankowskl. Grey was better than we gave him credit for
Granpa Zach Collaros
D playing just great!
And yet another penalty on the punt return
The focus that was preached is not happening!!
How does 41 Lions not get a helmet to helmet call!! Brutal non call. And we pick up a misconduct foul. Here we go again.
Another penalty!!!
This is getting embarrassing.
Procedure Randolph. Welcome to the cfl
6:33 left in the quarter
No first downs for either team
Kudos to the defence
Second and 15 and Buck has to call a three yard in because he's worried a offensive line won't be able to block for half a second.
Suitor only pointing out that the Bombers have no first downs. He is such a ... .
Need to roll Zach out of the pocket occasionally.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 01:00:50 AMSecond and 15 and Buck has to call a three yard in because he's worried a offensive line won't be able to block for half a second.
They can't!! That would have been a sure safety in a normal pass play. I thought it was a smart play to gain some yards, punt it away and start over.
Dare i say:
#1 defence
Nice pick a Ford!!
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2024, 01:02:55 AMThey can't!! That would have been a sure safety in a normal pass play. I thought it was a smart play to gain some yards, punt it away and start over.
It was. It just wasn't something we'd have to do in prior years.
A first down!!
Brady o is the best player on this team
Is Lapo designing our scheme on O?
When is the last time we faked a FG??
Sergio - ugly but good for 3
I hope Castillo has that out of his system now.
penalties are really hurting us
Aaaand a penalty on the punt return!!
Where is the focus MOS?
These officials, man!
What a catch! Woooooo
Wilson looks like lawler ...wow
No underthrow by Zach there. Good arm strength to float that high arcer out there and let Wilson run under it.
No first downs for bc in a quarter
#1 D
Kolankowski and Johnson both dinged on that play.
#FreeEli time
Stuffed again on 3rd and 1
Gotta do something a bit different
Prukop gets those :)
cmon strevy! you have one job.
another turnover in redzone
we absolutely have no faith in our interior line
Coverage sack
Those 3rd and 1 s aren't so automatic. Brutal let down after a decent drive
Strev stock is plummeting. This is why we got him. 2 weeks in a row we ve been let down
Case deserves some props on his punt returns
Strev looks slow on his takeoff
Quote from: Pete on August 02, 2024, 01:28:29 AMCase deserves some props on his punt returns
He's playing better. Getting more confident every game.
What are the penalties against to this point, 7 to 1?
BC has no answer for BO.
Zach has zero time to complete anything over 10 yards
That looked like head-to-head contact on Zach again. No flag.
60 yarder!
I love Castillo's moxie!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 01:34:20 AMZach has zero time to complete anything over 10 yards
BC blitzing a lot
Don't sleep on this secondary guys
They are locking down a great receiving core
I hope they are getting some love on tv
That run by Zach tells you how mad he is
No end
No focus
Look at demski wrapping the ball up
did you see Demski grab the ball awith both hands
Hahahaha Demski with 12 arms on the ball.
we just got lucky! (been waiting to say that)
Yeah! Lucky!
Lucky!!
Love it !
Great drive
Atta boy, Zach!
Dominant performance by the Bombers in that first half.
defence really came up big in the first half
Are they singing the praises of the bomber d on Tsn?
They should be
Number one D
Nope. Suitor is talking about what BC has to do to get going.
Atta boy, Willie!
Looks like picking up Lion players on my fantasy is working to jinx them. ;D
Lions D
VA
Stanback
McInnis
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 02, 2024, 01:54:04 AMLooks like picking up Lion players on my fantasy is working to jinx them. ;D
Lions D
VA
Stanback
McInnis
LOL!
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 01:53:11 AMNope. Suitor is talking about what BC has to do to get going.
Suitor needs to watch the game cause the vaunted bc receivers just can't get open
Secondary is locking them down
Ford
Holm
Bonds
Nichols
#1 secondary
That kick by Sergio would have been good from 63 yards.
What's the record, 64?
Again, it's just the OL holding us back. Zach doing his thing. We're a missed 3rd down plunge from being another score up.
This defence is legit.
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 01:58:29 AMThat kick by Sergio would have been good from 63 yards.
Maybe 64!!
Quote from: Jesse on August 02, 2024, 02:00:26 AMAgain, it's just the OL holding us back. Zach doing his thing. We're a missed 3rd down plunge from being another score up.
This defence is legit.
#1 defence so far tonight
I looked it up ...
66-yard
What's the longest field goal in NFL history? Justin Tucker of the Baltimore Ravens has the longest field goal in NFL history with a 66-yard field boot. Not only is it the longest field goal ever, but it was kicked as time expired and helped the Ravens defeat the Detroit Lions 19-17.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 01, 2024, 11:35:38 PMTrue test of our secondary tonight. Elite qb with some high quality receivers - let's go boys!!
One half done and these guys are legit good
lots of pressure from Bombers d line.
and not letting va escape.
toney jones is a sure tackler.
no jinx
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 02:01:50 AMI looked it up ...
66-yard
What's the longest field goal in NFL history? Justin Tucker of the Baltimore Ravens has the longest field goal in NFL history with a 66-yard field boot. Not only is it the longest field goal ever, but it was kicked as time expired and helped the Ravens defeat the Detroit Lions 19-17.
In a dome...no wind
Tucker is the GOAT though
Winnipeg D is getting no credit for BC's halftime goose egg. The panel accusing the BC offense of being asleep saying they need to wake up.
*** Sheahan.
No yards?
good snag
no yards
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 02, 2024, 02:12:37 AM*** Sheahan.
Terrible game for him
He will be part of the "bad" or "ugly"
Man. Sheahan too inconsistent
Very nice, Mr. Wilson.
Atta boy, Strev!
No answer for BO.
Lion D getting gassed? Where's Lawler? Oh yeah. ;-)
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 02:19:27 AMNo answer for BO.
And yet on 2nd and 4 we don't run it..
good time to go in a no huddle offence mode
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 02:20:54 AMAnd yet on 2nd and 4 we don't run it..
I'd be feeding Brady the rock constantly. Make BC stop him.
Quote from: Go_Big_D on August 02, 2024, 02:21:41 AMgood time to go in a no huddle offence mode
That's a very good idea.
Holm == Allstar
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 02:20:54 AMAnd yet on 2nd and 4 we don't run it..
"it's a passing league"
(standard explanation)
Atta boy, Biggie!
Bc punter is their best player
94 bullrushed 2 lineman right into va.
D line is finding some mojo.
Clercius sucks to tackle, as the Lions are finding out.
I have seen enough of Josh Johnson
Brady should be getting the ball - he is the best Bomber
Tucker Wetmore?
missin you?
😂
VA - 43%
ZC - 82%
tackling is really solid tonight.
VA is completely discombobulated.
I am so impressed with Jordan Younger and the job he has done with this D.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 02:29:11 AMI have seen enough of Josh Johnson
Brady should be getting the ball - he is the best Bomber
He just isn't a cfl caliber receiver, they go to run a jet sweep with him and he trips over his own feet!?! C mon man!!
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 02:34:31 AMVA is completely discombobulated.
47 yards passing and we re winding down the 3 rd quarter!!
Is that not UR on that tackle on Wilson?
Zach is so smart.
Demski holding onto the ball like he's going to get the manure treatment if he fumbles again.
3 quarters - 2 first downs for bc
#1 D
Atta boy, Brady!
Atta boy, Stan!
TD's would be nice...just to build some confidence
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 02:48:41 AMTD's would be nice...just to build some confidence
Agree. Nice chewing up the clock like that though.
The game is much more entertaining with soun (Suitor ) turned off.
"Championship Calibre Defense" -- Glen Suitor
how can they miss the hold on willie ?
Now VA's leg hurts as well as his feelings.
Run the ball now
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 02:56:06 AMRun the ball now
You are correct Zipp - run the ball
BO!
Atta boy, Lucky!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 02:54:36 AMNow VA's leg hurts as well as his feelings.
Ya, BC s offense just got better...Adams is off the field!!
Man when bad Adams shows up he really is bad.
Bombers have absolutely handed it to the first place Lions. They only got 3 first downs!!
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 02:51:36 AM"Championship Calibre Defense" -- Glen Suitor
Yes. Bombers could win it all with their defense playing like that.
We score here and I d be taking Olivera and Collaros out, no sense risking injury in a 25-0 game.
Who saw this coming? Not me.
This game is going to do wonders for our psyche.
only negative..... just one t.d.
We get a bye and then it's BC again likely minus VA. If we could get the series wins against BC and Calgary that would be amazing.
BC's D has to be gassed.
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 03:11:25 AMWe get a bye and then it's BC again likely minus VA. If we could get the series wins against BC and Calgary that would be amazing.
And Lawler may be back for that game!!
Wow!
what a game! Collarol looked like Collaros, and the best game I've seen by the defence in 2 years and mot talking about any negatives!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 03:13:26 AMAnd punting
Sheahan is good for one horrible punt a game. This week he overachieved.
Well done Bombers. I knew they could do it. They look like a Grey Cup team right now. Keep up the good work!
25-0. Didn't think we d shut out anyone this year, and we killed the first place Lions!! Makes you wonder how on earth we lost to the arblows last week!!
Bombers are back!!
I'll be a dink and say it:
Best game of the year coincidentally the game we start the fewest number of Canadians.
Shades of 1988?! This D is championship calibre surprisingly. Matt Dunnigan at his peak and bomber D shut him down in crunch time that year in the GC.
Whitehead made a difference. not just in his catches but opened up plays for others
Bombers now in a playoff spot.
Wonder if Neufeld has been playing hurt?
and yeah... lucky was finding spots and getting open.
little concerned that zach might start locking in on Wilson.
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 03:21:00 AMBombers now in a playoff spot.
Calgary has two games in hand though. Long way from crawling out of their hole. No more mulligans left.
Calgary also has a home and home with Toronto who really is sucking right now.
bombers D kept the bombers in the game the Offence got on track
We are trending in the right direction. Calgary stunk last week and BC this week. west is WIDE, WIDE open!!
We're back. How do you like us now?
That's a good feeling heading into the bye and a chance to get healthier.
The rookies are coming into form. I'd give Johnson a bit of slack. He's made some good plays but goes down too easy it seems.
Anyone with an impression of how Randolph played?
Final DT's were interesting for Winnipeg. Bighill led the charge but the Lions had so many 2 and outs that nobody on defence had big tackle numbers. Works for me. Best defence is keeping the opponent off the field. I don't know if the Lions cleared 18 minutes for the game.
SHUTOUT. What more can you ask for????
Well, it was very hot and humid. But, the fans were on fire. Great game. D was outstanding. O was very good, but I would have liked a few more TDs. Lucky was a big spark for this team.
I hope we get Dolegala in two weeks. He's 9.5 feet tall and still managed to get 12 passes knocked down by Willie.
Wilson 7/9 112 yards.
Lucky 6/6 56 yards, more then okay.
Clercius 2/2 25 yards, and some key blocks.
Woli82 moving well on the sidelines. We could have Woli82 and Lawler after our well deserved break.
#BCLions HC Rick Campbell says Vernon Adams Jr will be reevaluated upon returning to Vancouver, but based on early observations his right leg injury will take weeks, not months, to heal. Campbell emphasized it is not season-ending.
Quote from: J5V on August 02, 2024, 03:03:55 AMWho saw this coming? Not me.
Well, I picked WPG this week...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 02, 2024, 04:20:29 AMme me me 8)
Me too. I said it to my daughter-in-law ahead so that should count.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 03:19:35 AMSheahan is good for one horrible punt a game. This week he overachieved.
LMAO!
Game Recap | B.C. 0 WPG 25
They've been massacred by injuries, have way too often been their own worst enemies, and were quickly written off by so many through the first half of the Canadian Football League season.
And so what the Winnipeg Blue Bombers served up Thursday night in an absolutely dominant 25-0 pasting of the B.C. Lions in front of 31,589 on a sweaty, steamy absolutely perfect evening at Princess Auto Stadium was telling in the message it delivered.
That message, essentially, is this: back the blank off writing the obituary on the 2024 Blue Bombers season.
"That was good old school Winnipeg Blue Bombers-style right there," said running back Brady Oliveira, who rushed for 100 yards on 17 carries and pulled in four passes for 42 yards. "That was getting back to our identity by wearing out the other team.
"That was a total team effort and that's why this tastes so sweet. The adversity we've faced this entire season, especially of late... I mean, for us to come out and have a performance like that against a very good football team, man, that feels so good."
"We're a resilient group that comes to work every single day and works. We care. We truly care about this team, about one another and honouring our teammates. Seeing everyone battle for each other on every single play was special."
Coming off a short week and facing a Lions team coming off a bye, the Blue Bombers will now enter their first bye week of the season with a 3-6 record after snapping a two-game losing skid. The Lions, meanwhile, fall to 5-3.
"I'm just really happy for the guys and impressed with the young guys – I guess they've got more energy than the older guys," said quarterback Zach Collaros, who was superb in completing 27 of 33 for 295 yards, with a grin. "To come in after a flight from Toronto basically four days later and play a game... just hats off to everybody for taking care of their bodies and the coaching staff for putting together a plan for us to execute."
More on the Blue Bombers third win of the season from our view in the press box...
'D' IS FOR DOMINANT:
The Lions entered Thursday night revving the CFL's most dangerous, high-octane offence, ranking first in points (29.4), net offence (406.6), passing yards (342.1) and second-down conversions (58.4%).
And those numbers on Thursday? Try zero points points, 102 yards in net offence, 86 passing yards and six percent (two of 15) on second-down conversions.
Get this, too: the Lions had two first downs after three quarters and just four all night as the Blue Bombers pitched their first shutout since a 45-0 win over the Lions on October 23, 2021.
B.C. QB Vernon Adams, Jr., a leading Most Outstanding Player candidate, finished 8-of-17 for 74 yards with one interception by Tyrell Ford. To make matters worse, he exited the game with 12:31 left in the fourth quarter after being sacked by TyJuan Garbutt and did not return after suffering a right knee injury.
"It's a momentum boost, especially going into the bye week," said defensive end Willie Jefferson, who registered a sack and two more pass knockdowns. "We wanted to go into the bye week on a high. We did that and now it's just sticking to it.
"We're telling guys right now, don't sit around, don't relax the whole bye week if you can and stay locked in – if you can work out, if you can run, if you can watch film, all those things, so when we get back we can get back in a rhythm and it's not starting all over from the jump.
"This is a big momentum boost for us, the offence, defence and special teams. We played an all-round good game tonight in front of our fans, 31,000 people... we love that."
Asked what the result says to anyone who might be writing off this squad, Jefferson added:
"The season's not over yet. We're just here to play Winnipeg Blue Bombers football. And when you come here you've got to play your 'A' game."
GET LUCKY:
He was a fan favourite five years ago during the Blue Bombers' 2019 championship run and the club's faithful has fallen in love all over again with Lucky Whitehead. The veteran receiver, activated this week for his first game in Blue Bombers colours since 2019 after spending the last few seasons with the Lions, was electric in his '24 debut.
Whitehead finished the game with six receptions for 56 yards and a 10-yard TD in the first half and his experience – plus, his still blazing speed – seemed to earn him some respect from the Lions' D. Worth noting: one of Whitehead's catches was also a second-down conversion and 44 of his 56 yards came after the catch.
"Everything was amazing," said Whitehead. "Just coming out of that tunnel at the start, it all felt perfect and right, like I belonged.
"It was amazing. I'm glad I got the opportunity. Coaches put me in a great spot to be able to make that play (on the touchdown). Zach has been talking about it and I've been studying extra, extra hard. The gameplan was simple for myself. I only had one day of practice (with the starters), so I felt like I had to study extra.
"... Don't forget I'm an all-star in this league. I know how to play the game. I've been working, I haven't been sitting on my tail. I was just waiting for my chance to get out there."
SERGIO-OOOOOO:
Blue Bombers kicker Sergio Castillo shook off a so-so effort in last week's overtime loss to Toronto to deliver another epic effort. The veteran hoofer finished the night six-for-six, connecting from 37, 60, 32, 51, 36 and 11 yards. He also became the first kicker in CFL history to connect on two 60-yard field goals in a season.
KEY MOMENT
The Blue Bombers were in complete control of this one not long after the final notes faded from the national anthem. Still, even with all their early dominance they were up just 6-0 as the game inched closer to the intermission.
That's when Collaros – who at one point completed 14 consecutive passes – pieced together an eight-play, 84-yard drive that was capped by the TD pass to Whitehead. And with the defence swarming, that score was massive.
KEY STAT: 0/4/86/102
Pick any of the above – and there were many more to choose from, to be honest. The Blue Bombers shut out the Lions, limiting them to four first downs, 86 passing yards and 102 yards net offence.
In this wide-open league where the scoreboards often light up, those are simply jaw-dropping numbers.
NEXT: The Blue Bombers now enjoy their first bye week of the season and are back on the field – and on the road – on Sunday, August 18th in Vancouver against the Lions with a 6 p.m. CDT start.
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/08/02/game-recap-b-c-0-wpg-25/
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 01, 2024, 10:08:04 PMOver stated in the positive with Blue tinted glasses.
This aged as poorly as I have ever seen a post ;)
How many points they score? Things that make you go hmmmm
#1D
Younger has the hunger
Hall is boss
Zach is back
OL A+
nuff said
Positively right the Bombers are back
Just having fun! Yeah the future is bright so you gotta wear shades!!! :)
I am not sure I will ever witness a more impressive beat down
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Just got home... had both kids with me and I gotta say THANKS WFC for a great night with the family and a superb team performance. And great on-field experience afterwards, the favorite part of all children.
WOOT! Now, to waste the whole night on the threads... Hope you GDT people kept the chat busy!
The defense was lights out all game last night. Holding the Lions to only four first downs and no points is astonishing. Major kudos to Younger and the defensive unit as a whole for what was an unreal performance.
Dominant is an understatement, IMO.
If this team can hang on for a few weeks and get healthier going into late summer, I think that ugly start could be easily forgotten.
Quote from: Blueforlife on August 02, 2024, 05:36:12 AMThis aged as poorly as I have ever seen a post ;)
How many points they score? Things that make you go hmmmm
#1D
Younger has the hunger
Hall is boss
Zach is back
OL A+
nuff said
Positively right the Bombers are back
Just having fun! Yeah the future is bright so you gotta wear shades!!! :)
I am not sure I will ever witness a more impressive beat down
LETS GO BOMBERS clap clap
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That was in reference to your comment about Thomas, not the team.
The game was the best beat down this season. Bombers had a few of those last year. 51- 6 against the Riders was a good one.
Re-watched game this morning.
1. Hallett, Hallett and Kelly all on ST coverage teams and did well.
2. Sheehan?!!!?? What the heck. Those early shanks could have been turning points against us.
3. Defence kept the Lions off the field. The offence did the same by staying on the field. Massive win TOP.
4. Garbutt, Wilson, Bonds and Clercius in particular are rookies getting better each week.
5. Ford made 2 key plays in the early going. Can't overstate that int as a turning point.
Ok. Still have work to do when we get inside the 25 yard line. Lots of points being left on the field.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2024, 01:45:38 PMLots of points being left on the field.
The red zone production is embarrassing this season.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 02, 2024, 01:54:35 PMThe red zone production is embarrassing this season.
You know where you need your offensive line and protection schemes to be at their best? The red zone.
Bombers have given up least points in the West except the Riders. They have 2 games in hand have given up 28 points less. That probably doesn't hold when they've played 9 games.
We might now be the team with the lowest points given up average/game. Teams in the east have only played 7 games each so that could change.
I didn't see it coming which made it even more special. First time this year, I've got some faith we'll make the playoffs.
41 - 18 TOP is the story of the game.
We got the calls. Their first deep ball was textbook PI & we didn't catch our first deep ball but it was called a catch.
Zero points & just 4 first downs allowed.
430 yards of offence, but just 1 TD.
Lucky should have been starting since he got here.
Great way to go into a bye week.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 02, 2024, 02:08:31 PMI didn't see it coming which made it even more special. First time this year, I've got some faith we'll make the playoffs.
41 - 18 TOP is the story of the game.
We got the calls. Their first deep ball was textbook PI & we didn't catch our first deep ball but it was called a catch.
Zero points & just 4 first downs allowed.
430 yards of offence, but just 1 TD.
Lucky should have been starting since he got here.
Great way to go into a bye week.
Beg to differ on that. I assume you mean it was screening/face guarding. But it wasn't really. You can be in a chase position and run with one hand in the air the entire way down the field if you want. You do not need to turn around and face the ball when it makes contact. Ford knows the rules.
I don't think the Bombers got the calls last night. The officiating was marginally better than the previous few weeks but that isn't saying much.
On Wilson's deep ball reception, that's on Campbell and co. for not paying attention, IMO. I think that was a microcosm of just how lousy and inattentive the Lions were last night.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 02:17:22 PMBeg to differ on that. I assume you mean it was screening/face guarding. But it wasn't really. You can be in a chase position and run with one hand in the air the entire way down the field if you want. You do not need to turn around and face the ball when it makes contact. Ford knows the rules.
I agree. Screening happens when the DB is face to face with the receiver not when he's in chase position. Unless Ford put his hand on the receiver and / or slowed his momentum then no PI involved.
Ford continues to improve every game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2024, 01:37:57 PMThat was in reference to your comment about Thomas, not the team.
The game was the best beat down this season. Bombers had a few of those last year. 51- 6 against the Riders was a good one.
I agree I did not have the Bombers winning this game and I was wrong. It was a total beat down. BUT and Yes BUT - enjoy the win and now let's focus on the break and the next games. We have a very big hole to dig out of and we shall see what happens. Hope does spring eternal and the CFL season is a marathon not a sprint. Getting some folks back from injury will help.
Quote from: BBRT on August 02, 2024, 02:55:20 PMI agree I did not have the Bombers winning this game and I was wrong. It was a total beat down. BUT and Yes BUT - enjoy the win and now let's focus on the break and the next games. We have a very big hole to dig out of and we shall see what happens. Hope does spring eternal and the CFL season is a marathon not a sprint. Getting some folks back from injury will help.
I don't think anyone expected our best game of the season to be on a short week before a bye on one day of practice. Football is so fun!
(vi) Screening (face guarding) of an opponent during an attempt to catch the ball is pass interference.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 02, 2024, 03:07:56 PM(vi) Screening (face guarding) of an opponent during an attempt to catch the ball is pass interference.
Yes but what happened was not screening/faceguarding. Your edgy hot take machine is not calibrated correctly on this one. Ford, from a trailing position ran with one hand in the air behind the defender. That is not a penalty at any level of football.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 03:09:54 PMYes but what happened was not screening/faceguarding. Your edgy hot take machine is not calibrated correctly on this one. Ford, from a trailing position ran with one hand in the air behind the defender. That is not a penalty at any level of football.
No, you can't run down the field with your hands in the air in the chase position. IF he'd looked back at the ball, then it wouldn't be screening, but he didn't therefore it is.
Lets agree to disagree and move on.
Great game especially by the defence dontcha think.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 02, 2024, 03:31:07 PMNo, you can't run down the field with your hands in the air in the chase position. IF he'd looked back at the ball, then it wouldn't be screening, but he didn't therefore it is.
Lets agree to disagree and move on.
Great game especially by the defence dontcha think.
I won't "move on" if you're wrong. You are NOT required to look back at the ball.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 01, 2024, 03:53:10 PMCan we hold onto the ball tonight? How will our OL perform tonight? Can our front 7 get pressure on Adams?
Well we did an excellent job at holding onto the ball last night.
Our D made BCs OL look pretty average. 4 sacks and pressure all night.
Our OL was pretty solid. I also think Buck had a pretty game plan for BCs pressure.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 03:38:51 PMI won't "move on" if you're wrong. You are NOT required to look back at the ball.
Yeah, you really do have to move on at some point. No one wants to read two posters repeating the same thing over and over.
Quote from: Jesse on August 02, 2024, 03:44:14 PMYeah, you really do have to move on at some point. No one wants to read two posters repeating the same thing over and over.
Would you have called PI on Ford's breakup?
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 02, 2024, 01:37:57 PMThat was in reference to your comment about Thomas, not the team.
The game was the best beat down this season. Bombers had a few of those last year. 51- 6 against the Riders was a good one.
I know just having fun after being pumped up yesterday
That was a beat down, my memory is poor
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 03:45:47 PMWould you have called PI on Ford's breakup?
Nope.
But "face-screening" is one of those really ambiguous things that you two are looking at from opposite sides and are never to agree.
So no, I don't want to read 20 posts of "yes it was" and "No it wasn't".
Live at PAS it looked okay. Haven't done my Bombers in 30 highlights yet.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 03:38:51 PMI won't "move on" if you're wrong. You are NOT required to look back at the ball.
Source please.
Screening is when a player puts his hands up and obstructs the recievers vision on the ball. It is not called when the defender has turned and is making a play on the ball. It is called every time, when he is running with his back to the ball (he has no idea where the ball is) with his hands in the air obstructing the recievers position
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Well deserved bye week. But, after the bye our roster should get interesting. Lawler should be back, so Johnson back on the PR. Woli82 will could be back, and Haba will be ready to go.
I don't think I am messing with the D. Players like Adams, Garbutt, Griffin, and Jones, have all played very well.
If Woli82 comes back what do you do with Lucky.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 02, 2024, 04:25:35 PMSource please.
I'll explain it to you because I find it interesting and maybe some other people will too.
First though, how can I source something that '
isn't'? You already quoted the rule book once. Go back to the page, look through the definitions of pass interference and you will notice that pass defenders 'looking for the ball or not looking for the ball' is nowhere to be found.
In general, they teach defensive backs to look for the ball, because, as a defender, if you're making a genuine play to catch or contact/bat down the ball you can make contact with the receiver as much as you like in the process. An easy example that everyone will recognize is of a hail mary pass when everyone jumps up to try and grab it. DBs are contacting receivers everywhere, receivers are contacting DBs everywhere, but since everyone is making a play at the ball, it's not PI in any case.
However, looking for the ball is
NOT good technique in all cases and had Ford tried it he probably would have got beat on that play. Trailing defensive backs are usually taught to run on the inside shoulder, put a hand up when they think the ball is coming (which can be and often is a few seconds), and play through the ball if it arrives into the receivers hands. This retains their speed, has a chance of the batting the ball down and failing that, has a chance to drive the ball through the receivers hands if it makes it there. The downside to the technique is if the receiver tracks the ball and tried to jump back through the defensive back, they are now face to face and that IS a typical screening call. In fact, that WAS called against a BC defender on Clercius later that game. That isn't what happened on the Ford play though: hence no flags or challenges or even any sort of complaining by the BC receiver at all.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 02, 2024, 04:42:32 PMWell deserved bye week. But, after the bye our roster should get interesting. Lawler should be back, so Johnson back on the PR. Woli82 will could be back, and Haba will be ready to go.
I don't think I am messing with the D. Players like Adams, Garbutt, Griffin, and Jones, have all played very well.
If Woli82 comes back what do you do with Lucky.
Lawler goes in for Johnson, Woli goes in for clercius, lucky stays in the lineup
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2024, 04:57:56 PMLawler goes in for Johnson, Woli goes in for clercius, lucky stays in the lineup
Yes, I did forget about Clercius.
Clercius is going to be a good one. Kid makes some good blocks.
Quote from: Pigskin on August 02, 2024, 05:04:57 PMYes, I did forget about Clercius.
Clercius is going to be a good one. Kid makes some good blocks.
Yes, that sounds about right. I don't know how long Woli will be out but Clercius / Whitehead will do fine in the meantime. I expected Lawler back this week, but coming back after the bye gives him more time to heal.
Clercius is looking good and making plays.
For sure and that's the ugly side of the business, veteran receivers like Bailey want big dollars like Lawler get, but there are tons of receivers out there for our #4-5 spots. Lucky adds a speed element and kick return threat and clercius is going to fit in nicely at a fraction of the cost. Things are looking good
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 02, 2024, 02:08:31 PMWe got the calls.
Yeah, we didn't win because "We got the calls". This game started with the majority of calls going against us. I have checked and the calls against were 3-1 at one point. The game ended with 5 penalties each. We earned this game in every way. No one gave us anything.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 04:54:30 PMI'll explain it to you because I find it interesting and maybe some other people will too.
First though, how can I source something that 'isn't'? You already quoted the rule book once. Go back to the page, look through the definitions of pass interference and you will notice that pass defenders 'looking for the ball or not looking for the ball' is nowhere to be found.
In general, they teach defensive backs to look for the ball, because, as a defender, if you're making a genuine play to catch or contact/bat down the ball you can make contact with the receiver as much as you like in the process. An easy example that everyone will recognize is of a hail mary pass when everyone jumps up to try and grab it. DBs are contacting receivers everywhere, receivers are contacting DBs everywhere, but since everyone is making a play at the ball, it's not PI in any case.
However, looking for the ball is NOT good technique in all cases and had Ford tried it he probably would have got beat on that play. Trailing defensive backs are usually taught to run on the inside shoulder, put a hand up when they think the ball is coming (which can be and often is a few seconds), and play through the ball if it arrives into the receivers hands. This retains their speed, has a chance of the batting the ball down and failing that, has a chance to drive the ball through the receivers hands if it makes it there. The downside to the technique is if the receiver tracks the ball and tried to jump back through the defensive back, they are now face to face and that IS a typical screening call. In fact, that WAS called against a BC defender on Clercius later that game. That isn't what happened on the Ford play though: hence no flags or challenges or even any sort of complaining by the BC receiver at all.
A hail Mary is a poor example. No one gets PI because they are playing the ball. Waving your arm in the air without looking back isn't playing the ball. It's trying to stop the receiver from seeing the ball which is screening by definition.
Receiver beats DB. DB goes into chase mode and throws an arm up. Ball goes off of the receivers helmet because he can't see the ball. I say screening. You say good DB play. I quote the rule book.
Under which part of the rule book do you say it's not screening?
One hand in the air doesnt screen the reciever, dont think ive ever seen it called that way
Its usually called when defender has two hands almost in the recievers face It usually has to be blatent to be called
Screening and pass interference are both obstruction fouls, screening you're obstructing the receivers vision-commonly called face guarding, pass interference you're obstructing the receivers body position.
The other mitigating issue in the "screen" is that he touched the ball...
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 02, 2024, 08:31:57 PMA hail Mary is a poor example. No one gets PI because they are playing the ball. Waving your arm in the air without looking back isn't playing the ball. It's trying to stop the receiver from seeing the ball which is screening by definition.
Receiver beats DB. DB goes into chase mode and throws an arm up. Ball goes off of the receivers helmet because he can't see the ball. I say screening. You say good DB play. I quote the rule book.
Under which part of the rule book do you say it's not screening?
Yikes. I genuinely overestimated you. Noted.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 02, 2024, 09:43:34 PMThe other mitigating issue in the "screen" is that he touched the ball...
Doesn't matter. DB could be running down the field with his back to the ball, and he has his hands up screening the receiver making no attempt to locate and play the ball, ball hits him, it's still screening
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 02, 2024, 11:26:35 PMYikes. I genuinely overestimated you. Noted.
So no where in the rule book does it say what you are saying.
I agree that DB's can shoot their arm up when the ball gets there without a penalty, but that's not what happened on the play.
Provide an example that has nothing to do with screening and call it an example.
Say you can't prove a negative when I'm asking for proof that DB's are allowed to run with a hand up (The half superman) to screen the receiver. Which isn't a negative.
If you don't think it's screening then what do you consider to be screening? Two hands up (The full superman)? Waiving the arms?
Found this gem about Brady Oliviera in the BC game. Check it out.
29.1 KM/H (https://twitter.com/i/status/1819395270016487896)
Sergio! (https://twitter.com/i/status/1819187486913900581)
Zach post game (https://twitter.com/i/status/1819239665968312649)
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on August 02, 2024, 01:54:35 PMThe red zone production is embarrassing this season.
Especially since in 2022 and 2023 a TD in the redzone was basically guaranteed. Remember how effortlessly we'd have someone wide open in the EZ for TDs? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Either we went away from what worked in those seasons, or teams figured it all out and we haven't adjusted.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 05, 2024, 01:02:33 AMEspecially since in 2022 and 2023 a TD in the redzone was basically guaranteed. Remember how effortlessly we'd have someone wide open in the EZ for TDs? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Either we went away from what worked in those seasons, or teams figured it all out and we haven't adjusted.
I believe it is the latter.
you can only throw a deep corner so often
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 05, 2024, 01:02:33 AMEspecially since in 2022 and 2023 a TD in the redzone was basically guaranteed. Remember how effortlessly we'd have someone wide open in the EZ for TDs? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Either we went away from what worked in those seasons, or teams figured it all out and we haven't adjusted.
Had the same problem in the redzone many years ago, turns out Justin Goltz was the solution.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 02, 2024, 01:08:37 AMWhen is the last time we faked a FG??
Sergio - ugly but good for 3
Like back in the Heath days.
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Quote from: TBURGESS on August 02, 2024, 03:31:07 PMNo, you can't run down the field with your hands in the air in the chase position. IF he'd looked back at the ball, then it wouldn't be screening, but he didn't therefore it is.
Quote from: dd on August 02, 2024, 04:33:35 PMScreening is when a player puts his hands up and obstructs the recievers vision on the ball. It is not called when the defender has turned and is making a play on the ball. It is called every time, when he is running with his back to the ball (he has no idea where the ball is) with his hands in the air obstructing the recievers position
I missed the great argument the first time round. I won't debate the merits, I will just say that
the CFL hasn't been calling screening for YEARS. There are tons of very clear screen-like plays occurring every season and they are never called DPI. Never. I've complained about it before when someone has clearly screened our players.
In fact, having one of both arms in the air seems to be the best way to
avoid getting a DPI: because the main foul that gets the flag is grabbing and tugging and twisting. You can't do that with your arms up. (Though you can still bump, the other common foul that does get flagged.)
I'm not even sure what it would take to draw a screening flag these days. Maybe covering the WR's mask with both hands like you play peekaboo with a baby?? Even then I bet they don't call it!!
So the whole argument is moot because command will never call it! Screen away boys!