Good
Sergio
Defense at times
Special teams coverage.
Bad
Offence!
Refereeing!!
Interceptions!
No TD's again!
Chance of a long ball completion is non existant.
Jananion Grant was not retained.
Ottawa won.
Demski fumble.
What a boring game.
Tackling.
Not putting in Streveler.
We need a QB with some mobility. If Edmonton ain't gonna play Ford he would be a great addition.
Ugly
Losing to the Riders is always Ugly.
Bighill hit.
Gonna be a long long season.
Too many great old veterans are showing their age.
Quote from: Ducky on July 20, 2024, 05:16:23 AMToo many great old veterans are showing their age.
Yep, time for O'Shea to pull out his scalpel and make some much needed changes, the "everything will be fine" routine he's been promoting this season has proven to be false.
Are receivers getting open?
on one of the few camera shots from behind Collaros, it looked like they were very well covered. This was Towards the end of the game.
Collaros's decision making problems....what to say. not a new issue. arm strength issue, that is something we did not see in the past.
coaching.... the Sask TD, we loaded the box, they fooled us. good call by their coaches.
Bomber D overall played well. Wilson is top level.
just saw on bonfire...sask 132 yards rushing. wpg 65.
the Bombers should have found a way to keep Janarion.
I don't understand why we continued to play 3 Canadians receivers this week. We'll see what the performance looks like next week if we see Lawler and / or Whitehead on the roster. Collaros shares some blame as does Pierce. Vanilla and predictable.
Collaros was throwing mostly to Oliveria again. Overall, the current starters as a group are not good enough yet.
Good:
Sergio feels like money at 50-55 yards, crazy
Brady had a decent game, 130 APY
D played well at times
That Wilson sideline catch, Johnson being noticable
Clercius made an important catch, looked like he was hurt, but he didn't miss much time
Sask attendance was better
Bad:
Zach seems to have lost his mojo, that handoff attempt and him running the ball? Come on.
Not finding WR that were open
Sloppy tackling again
Ugly:
DPI X2 just cause why not?
Losing our challenge early, then getting screwed a min later on a obvious PI call on a deep ball to Wilson
Defensive Holding twice, wiping out big plays.
That play at the end, what was Bighill suppossed to do if the guy is trying to make a play?
A record of 2-6 >:(
The biggest ugly was the 180 in emotions from the Demski big play
Quote from: Ducky on July 20, 2024, 05:16:23 AMToo many great old veterans are showing their age.
Collaros might be done. At first, he lost his legs, and now it looks like he lost his arm.
Quote from: peg_city on July 20, 2024, 01:47:34 PMCollaros might be done. At first, he lost his legs, and now it looks like he lost his arm.
We should wait until we have resolved our issues at receiver. If things don't improve once we have Lawler and possibly Whitehead on the field, then the assessment will hold more legitimacy.
Quote from: peg_city on July 20, 2024, 01:47:34 PMCollaros might be done. At first, he lost his legs, and now it looks like he lost his arm.
he football IQ is suffering. What we cannot tell on TV is if these WRs even getting open for him?
Bucks play calling has been sub standard. Maybe because limited play book with all these new players on O?
We are in must win territory now!
The good
Jefferson, Garbutt and Wilson on d
Olivera on O
Castillo on special teams
The bad
We started the game throwing to johnson, using his speed then inexplicably didnt go back to him. We let them stack the middle and unlike Calgary didnt go to the quick outs to try and spread em out.
Once again Zac relied too much on one receiver, Olivera
Sask secondary played very well, but the difference was their receivers fought to make plays while ours just ran routes
Our O which prides itself on physicality lost that battle decisively
The ugly
Zacs arm strength is a question mark at this stage.balls were floating or under thrown
Alexander was three steps behind
The officiating,,,brutal
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 20, 2024, 02:20:19 PMhe football IQ is suffering. What we cannot tell on TV is if these WRs even getting open for him?
Bucks play calling has been sub standard. Maybe because limited play book with all these new players on O?
We are in must win territory now!
He's under throwing receivers a lot. I'm not sure what happened but he wasn't this bad last season (he still was an all-star; 2nd best QB). We still have him for another season, so I guess the point is moot.
On a positive note, looks like we found a DE opposite Jefferson.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 20, 2024, 01:29:04 PMI don't understand why we continued to play 3 Canadians receivers this week. We'll see what the performance looks like next week if we see Lawler and / or Whitehead on the roster. Collaros shares some blame as does Pierce. Vanilla and predictable.
Collaros was throwing mostly to Oliveria again. Overall, the current starters as a group are not good enough yet.
Clercius, Demski and Wolitarsky are some of you best recievers. Lucky will get his time. Possibly replacing Johnson.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on July 20, 2024, 04:18:16 PMClercius, Demski and Wolitarsky are some of you best recievers. Lucky will get his time. Possibly replacing Johnson.
Clercius certainly isn't there yet and starting him in times of struggles isn't helping the team win games right now. Nothing wrong with bringing him along slowly and sharing an inside spot with a more experienced receiver till he can become more of a contributor and less of an observer.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on July 20, 2024, 04:18:16 PMClercius, Demski and Wolitarsky are some of you best recievers. Lucky will get his time. Possibly replacing Johnson.
If Lawler and Schoen were playing it would be a different statement. Any 3 rookies starting at one time in not a good situation.
Clercius has a future but it doesn't have to be now. That's the point. O.Wilson and Johnson aren't taking away enough of the coverage. You can tell that by the fact that Oliveria is was the leading receiver in attempts and yardage.
He had 9 catches and the rest of the team had 11 combined.
Gonna have to add to Bad
Janarion Grant was not retained!
Look what he did tonight.
Quote from: peg_city on July 20, 2024, 01:47:34 PMCollaros might be done. At first, he lost his legs, and now it looks like he lost his arm.
There is another option: he's got a
slight, unconscious delay on the trigger. What could appear to be underthrows and throwbehinds might really be that his
hand/eye is delayed by a couple of tenths of a second.
Notice how many deep passes in stride are underthrown. That could be because Zach is late. Look at the throwbehinds on crossers/slants, common this year: that almost certainly is Zach being late.
His brain is thinking the right thing in both cases, but getting the information to his arm, doing the wind-up (which he has never been fast at), and throwing, are being delayed. Perhaps the team studying this can pinpoint exactly which of those 3 phases is impacting the delay the most.
This would also explain the bad INT count this year: his delay allows Ds that extra time to get in front of the ball, especially in zone. And any underthrow is ripe for a pick from a trailing defender. And I bet teams already have identified this weakness.
If I'm correct, and the problem is studied,
remedies are possible. The main thing is Zach is very consistent with this mistake. Inconsistency would be harder to fix. Maybe if they can get him to mentally pull the trigger sooner, in what might feel premature to him, he could compensate and everything would be peachy.
I wonder if there are specialists that can help with this sort of thing: consultants that wouldn't count on the cap. Definitely worth the cost, even if steep, as who cares about OOP money -- only SMS is important.
That said, he definitely has a more limited arm strength the last couple of seasons. The one hail Mary he got off this season he was only able to throw maybe 50-55Y. So every deep shot in stride has to be in that range and rely on YAC for any extra.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 21, 2024, 07:57:11 AMThere is another option: he's got a slight, unconscious delay on the trigger. What could appear to be underthrows and throwbehinds might really be that his hand/eye is delayed by a couple of tenths of a second.
Notice how many deep passes in stride are underthrown. That could be because Zach is late. Look at the throwbehinds on crossers/slants, common this year: that almost certainly is Zach being late.
His brain is thinking the right thing in both cases, but getting the information to his arm, doing the wind-up (which he has never been fast at), and throwing, are being delayed. Perhaps the team studying this can pinpoint exactly which of those 3 phases is impacting the delay the most.
This would also explain the bad INT count this year: his delay allows Ds that extra time to get in front of the ball, especially in zone. And any underthrow is ripe for a pick from a trailing defender. And I bet teams already have identified this weakness.
If I'm correct, and the problem is studied, remedies are possible. The main thing is Zach is very consistent with this mistake. Inconsistency would be harder to fix. Maybe if they can get him to mentally pull the trigger sooner, in what might feel premature to him, he could compensate and everything would be peachy.
I wonder if there are specialists that can help with this sort of thing: consultants that wouldn't count on the cap. Definitely worth the cost, even if steep, as who cares about OOP money -- only SMS is important.
That said, he definitely has a more limited arm strength the last couple of seasons. The one hail Mary he got off this season he was only able to throw maybe 50-55Y. So every deep shot in stride has to be in that range and rely on YAC for any extra.
The winter of 2026 is going to crazy with 4-5 teams bidding on Rourke.
Quote from: peg_city on July 22, 2024, 07:27:43 PMThe winter of 2026 is going to crazy with 4-5 teams bidding on Rourke.
His value goes down if it takes that long. Others will have replaced starters by then and he'll have not played much since leaving the CFL.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 10:17:20 PMHis value goes down if it takes that long. Others will have replaced starters by then and he'll have not played much since leaving the CFL.
I was thinking a Casey Printers like bidding process.
Quote from: peg_city on July 22, 2024, 10:58:43 PMI was thinking a Casey Printers like bidding process.
Printers tanked when he returned from the NFL. The train had left the station. IIRC it was a game against the Bombers that might have been the end for him.
Regardless it shows the risk of paying to much for a QB too early. Every time the Bombers have done that it didn't work out. Glenn, Nichols were two examples.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 11:01:10 PMPrinters tanked when he returned from the NFL. The train had left the station. IIRC it was a game against the Bombers that might have been the end for him.
Regardless it shows the risk of paying to much for a QB too early. Every time the Bombers have done that it didn't work out. Glenn, Nichols were two examples.
Matt Nichols didn't work out? Please explain.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 22, 2024, 11:17:23 PMMatt Nichols didn't work out? Please explain.
Got a bigger contract. Got injured and was never the same.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 11:26:07 PMGot a bigger contract. Got injured and was never the same.
He was doing great until he got injured and never did recover. I ve hated Lemon ever since that, he didn't have to flatten him with his fat lard *ss body and that cost Nichols his career. Matty gave absolutely everything he could for us and deserved better than that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 11:26:07 PMGot a bigger contract. Got injured and was never the same.
Contract had nothing to do with it, back in the days when Kyle was fiscally responsible he had money enough to spread it around.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 11:26:07 PMGot a bigger contract. Got injured and was never the same.
Still not a great example. Nichols got injured mid-2019 when he was best QB in the league (by points for and yards and W's), and then never played another snap for WFC again.
His arm
was never the same again, but by then it was another team's problem (OTT).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 23, 2024, 04:54:47 AMStill not a great example. Nichols got injured mid-2019 when he was best QB in the league (by points for and yards and W's), and then never played another snap for WFC again.
His arm was never the same again, but by then it was another team's problem (OTT).
I think he first signed with the Argos then got dealt to Ottawa for Arbuckle...maybe.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 23, 2024, 06:08:10 AMI think he first signed with the Argos then got dealt to Ottawa for Arbuckle...maybe.
You may be right. But I don't think he ever took the field as anything other than a Redblack after leaving WPG?
P.S. Arrrrbuckle looking like an all-star in relief for TOR the other night!
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 22, 2024, 10:17:20 PMHis value goes down if it takes that long. Others will have replaced starters by then and he'll have not played much since leaving the CFL.
I doubt that.