Last week they fined a player for doing the "shooting gun" hand gestures in celebration of some big play. That's the first time in a looong time they have done that. Sometime in 2022 (I think, from memory) the refs stopped calling gun signs as penalties in-game. And the league hasn't really been fining them either.
In weeks 1-5 of 2024 I saw a ton of gun signs. Same in 2023. It was getting rampant and obvious again, and TSN often would zoom in and show them in iso in slow-mo. But the refs (and command) were silent.
Something happened when that player got the fine. There must have been a league memo going out to all teams, and teams disseminated the message to players... because in week 6 there wasn't a single gun sign. Not one. I was looking for it. (If anyone has any inside baseball on this, I'd love to hear it!)
I like that the league is getting back to being consistent with what they say are the standards: clearly they were getting too lax on enforcement. Personally I think the ban on gun signs is lame, but it's been the standard for so long I don't care as long as they are consistent. I hope they now start calling these strictly on-field so they affect games, too (mostly because WPG is very disciplined, so it's kind of like a free 10-20Y a game for us, LOL).
Final question: should the Acklin "archery shot" be banned too? They've always let him get away with this, even in the "strict" years. Again, I have no problem with it, but to be consistent...
I love the archery shot, tasteful imo
Quote from: Blueforlife on July 16, 2024, 06:54:53 PMI love the archery shot, tasteful imo
Yes it has a different frame of reference as well, could be Robin Hood, could also be Apollo or any god that carries a bow. Also noticed a few players pretending to resheath swords, which seems okay.
The archery shot celly has been banned in hockey, there was an incident a couple years ago vs a mostly Indigenous team.
On a football field though, I think it's just a celebration.
The "Stinky Finger" is one I don't know is good today, and surprised more haven't complained about it.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 16, 2024, 10:20:44 PMThe archery shot celly has been banned in hockey, there was an incident a couple years ago vs a mostly Indigenous team.
On a football field though, I think it's just a celebration.
The "Stinky Finger" is one I don't know is good today, and surprised more haven't complained about it.
Ya, the stinky finger is done because they banned the throat slash, should ban it too.
there's too many celly's on during the game, heck players make a big deal out of getting a first down, seriously?? It's a stinking first down, big deal.
"Act like you've been there before"
Celebrations over little things, like a first down in the first quarter at midfield is uncalled for.
Sure, when you make a game changing play, celebrate.
Other than that, be a professional.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 16, 2024, 11:48:42 PM"Act like you've been there before"
Celebrations over little things, like a first down in the first quarter at midfield is uncalled for.
Sure, when you make a game changing play, celebrate.
Other than that, be a professional.
SApeaking of which, dod you notice when Pokey got his TD, he almost spiked the ball, then held back?
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 17, 2024, 01:27:40 AMSApeaking of which, dod you notice when Pokey got his TD, he almost spiked the ball, then held back?
Didn't want to break the chip!
Quote from: BomberFan73 on July 16, 2024, 10:20:44 PMThe "Stinky Finger" is one I don't know is good today, and surprised more haven't complained about it.
Funny you mention that... I didn't know that's what it's called. We saw it basically every other big play in 2023. But you know what, I don't think I saw it all weekend, in any of the 4 games!
Did the CFL not just clamp down on gun signs, but also "stinky fingers"? Surely it can't be organic that all of a sudden some of these things are disappearing completely.
It will be very telling if someone "lets one slip" and the refs spot it... see what they flag or not.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 17, 2024, 01:55:07 AMDidn't want to break the chip!
Spiked ball, broken chip, $500 please!
The hardest spike I've seen all season was CGY's QB Stevens after a sneak. That dude has some major beef going on.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 17, 2024, 02:43:49 AMFunny you mention that... I didn't know that's what it's called. We saw it basically every other big play in 2023. But you know what, I don't think I saw it all weekend, in any of the 4 games!
Did the CFL not just clamp down on gun signs, but also "stinky fingers"? Surely it can't be organic that all of a sudden some of these things are disappearing completely.
It will be very telling if someone "lets one slip" and the refs spot it... see what they flag or not.
I don't know if everyone calls it that, but we used to do it as teenage boys....very demeaning nowadays, if you know what I mean.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 16, 2024, 11:48:42 PM"Act like you've been there before"
Celebrations over little things, like a first down in the first quarter at midfield is uncalled for.
Sure, when you make a game changing play, celebrate.
Other than that, be a professional.
They are paid to play a kids game! Let's not act like there is some kind of professional standard to uphold...
If I could make the rules, celebrations and taunting would not be penalized. They're all grown men, who cares!
In my opinion, trash talk is part of sports and it adds a little something to the game.
I generally think penalties for celebrations and taunting is the lamest thing ever. This is how you know the game is run by a bunch of old white men.
One thing I will say in defence of the zero tolerance rule is, when you open up the can of worms, you inevitably get people who take it too far and do inappropriate things (the gun celebration being an example for some people). So it's probably tougher to manage than I make it out to be while I sit on my couch.
Maybe restrict the celies to a single action. One motion. Anything more is "embelishment" or "Taunting", with a 5 or 10 yard penalty.
This crap of running to the endzone, doing a duck duck goose, or an exploding football mime, or some other posing crap does not add to the game at all. You want those shenannigans, get the cheerleaders to do it. Isn't that their job?
Not trying to be a stick in the mud, but this is a professional SPORT, not a dance competition, not the WWE. Finish the play, take a quick bow, get back to your side of the LOS and on to the next play. The excitement and entertainment should come from the plays.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 17, 2024, 02:18:41 PMMaybe restrict the celies to a single action. One motion. Anything more is "embelishment" or "Taunting", with a 5 or 10 yard penalty.
This crap of running to the endzone, doing a duck duck goose, or an exploding football mime, or some other posing crap does not add to the game at all. You want those shenannigans, get the cheerleaders to do it. Isn't that their job?
Not trying to be a stick in the mud, but this is a professional SPORT, not a dance competition, not the WWE. Finish the play, take a quick bow, get back to your side of the LOS and on to the next play. The excitement and entertainment should come from the plays.
This is the lame take I don't want to be associated with. This is entertainment. If they want to spend some time having fun and entertaining us, why do some people have to be a stick in the mud?
Duck, duck, goose and bobsledding is harmless, inoffensive fun that everyone enjoyed.
Quote from: Jesse on July 17, 2024, 03:45:11 PMThis is the lame take I don't want to be associated with. This is entertainment. If they want to spend some time having fun and entertaining us, why do some people have to be a stick in the mud?
Duck, duck, goose and bobsledding is harmless, inoffensive fun that everyone enjoyed.
Agreed, and do you know what demographic really like these celebrations? Kids! (AKA future ticket buyers)
Quote from: theaardvark on July 17, 2024, 02:18:41 PMMaybe restrict the celies to a single action. One motion. Anything more is "embelishment" or "Taunting", with a 5 or 10 yard penalty.
This crap of running to the endzone, doing a duck duck goose, or an exploding football mime, or some other posing crap does not add to the game at all. You want those shenannigans, get the cheerleaders to do it. Isn't that their job?
Not trying to be a stick in the mud, but this is a professional SPORT, not a dance competition, not the WWE. Finish the play, take a quick bow, get back to your side of the LOS and on to the next play. The excitement and entertainment should come from the plays.
You're being a stick in the mud.
I'm good with any and all of it. Super fun.
I m good with TD celly's. The one's I'd like to see flagged more often is guys celebrating knocking a reciever out of the game with a huge hit--arguably illegal. We should not be celebrating hurting anyone and there should be a flag for those who choose to do so.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 17, 2024, 02:18:41 PMThis crap of running to the endzone, doing a duck duck goose, or an exploding football mime, or some other posing crap does not add to the game at all.
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNWZ4bDFya3o5M3k5OG5sNG9waXVzNnB5MHk1emFic21leGRxcHBsMCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/26BRrSvJUa0crqw4E/giphy.webp)
TD celebrations are like any other aspect of the game: entertainment for spectators.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 17, 2024, 02:18:41 PMNot trying to be a stick in the mud
You sure? Read your comments again.
When I mentioned running to the endzone, it happens when they make a pick at midfield. That is the waste of our time I dislike. Especially when its a blowout either way, yet they still seem to want to celebrate.
You just make a catch or a pick 6 to take the lead, you have a right to celebrate. But a pick at midfield when you are up by 28? Really? You have to run to the EZ to dance in front of the celly cam?
Quote from: theaardvark on July 17, 2024, 09:29:09 PMWhen I mentioned running to the endzone, it happens when they make a pick at midfield. That is the waste of our time I dislike. Especially when its a blowout either way, yet they still seem to want to celebrate.
You just make a catch or a pick 6 to take the lead, you have a right to celebrate. But a pick at midfield when you are up by 28? Really? You have to run to the EZ to dance in front of the celly cam?
That's when the fans will enjoy it most!
Offensive,or actions That kids should not see should not be allowed.
If the celebration is offensive it should be penalized.
That duck duck goose, or bowling bowling the ball and knocking down players acting as a bowling pin are"harmless" .
Randy Moss pretending to "moon" the crowd was offensive and disrespectful.
The rest of the celebrations are goofy.
Why would anyone care?
Quote from: DM83 on July 18, 2024, 01:44:37 PMRandy Moss pretending to "moon" the crowd was offensive and disrespectful.
Meh. Don't be a Joe Buck. That celly was gold in a great football game.
Let's watch it again:
(https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-04-2015/1EUoR6.gif)
Quote from: DM83 on July 18, 2024, 01:44:37 PMOffensive,or actions That kids should not see should not be allowed.
If the celebration is offensive it should be penalized.
That duck duck goose, or bowling bowling the ball and knocking down players acting as a bowling pin are"harmless" .
Randy Moss pretending to "moon" the crowd was offensive and disrespectful.
The rest of the celebrations are goofy.
Why would anyone care?
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/044/247/297.png)
Best CFL cellys in no particular order:
Kerwin Bell football in the groin
Hamilton players jump in the boat
Arland Bruce III tribute to Michael Jackson
Kelly Malveaux signs Milt Stegall's TD ball
Jon Gott chugs a fan's beer
Riders celebrating their 2009 Grey Cup "win"
Quote from: The Fresh Prince Of Belair, MB on July 18, 2024, 02:21:33 PMBest CFL cellys in no particular order:
Kerwin Bell football in the groin
Hamilton players jump in the boat
Arland Bruce III tribute to Michael Jackson
Kelly Malveaux signs Milt Stegall's TD ball
Jon Gott chugs a fan's beer
Riders celebrating their 2009 Grey Cup "win"
Best Grey Cup not featuring the Bombers. ;D
I can't link the timestamp but go to 6:44 and enjoy the goodness.
Quote from: DM83 on July 18, 2024, 01:44:37 PMOffensive,or actions That kids should not see should not be allowed.
If the celebration is offensive it should be penalized.
That's a good point. I don't want my kids seeing a player give the finger (which clearly has been banned for a long time) or
actually pulling their shorts down. There has to be some standards: and we can't just consider what the adults think.
Of course, the problem is that everyone has a different idea of what "offensive" means. And "PC culture" gets ever stricter on what this is (hence the "gun" ban).
I do think the players should be allowed to have fun, though. And our CFL celly rules seem a lot more sane than the NFL no-fun league rules. If a player takes it too far, they'll get chided by their mates or coaches.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 19, 2024, 12:57:07 AMThat's a good point. I don't want my kids seeing a player give the finger (which clearly has been banned for a long time) or actually pulling their shorts down. There has to be some standards: and we can't just consider what the adults think.
Of course, the problem is that everyone has a different idea of what "offensive" means. And "PC culture" gets ever stricter on what this is (hence the "gun" ban).
I do think the players should be allowed to have fun, though. And our CFL celly rules seem a lot more sane than the NFL no-fun league rules. If a player takes it too far, they'll get chided by their mates or coaches.
I'm not a fan of having the open TSN microphones on players, it doesn't add anything to the game and usually picks up nothing but idiotic profanities. Trying to get my kids interested in watching the games, but I'm not keen on letting them listen to morons spouting off at each other.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 19, 2024, 05:43:12 AMI'm not a fan of having the open TSN microphones on players, it doesn't add anything to the game and usually picks up nothing but idiotic profanities. Trying to get my kids interested in watching the games, but I'm not keen on letting them listen to morons spouting off at each other.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 19, 2024, 12:57:07 AMThat's a good point. I don't want my kids seeing a player give the finger (which clearly has been banned for a long time) or actually pulling their shorts down. There has to be some standards: and we can't just consider what the adults think.
This is funny. Me and my friends were just kind of discussing if a football game was meant to be a family friendly event.
I would love to share the experience with my family one day, but football is as an event is simply geared towards adults. It's long, it starts late, it's loud, alcohol, swearing, gambling are everywhere. Kids simply don't enjoy it until they're old enough to start watching the game, and even then, it would be a long haul for most. And that's only if they like football.
Quote from: Jesse on July 19, 2024, 01:24:07 PMI would love to share the experience with my family one day, but football is as an event is simply geared towards adults. It's long, it starts late, it's loud, alcohol, swearing, gambling are everywhere. Kids simply don't enjoy it until they're old enough to start watching the game, and even then, it would be a long haul for most. And that's only if they like football.
Then it depends on the kid. You couldn't stop my son from going to his ST seat for every game if you tried. All home-game week long he's waiting for the Fri or Sat to roll around. All away-game weeks he's bummed there's no football that week. He's been going off & on since he was 2.
And my much-younger daughter loves it too, though she only get a couple/few games a season. But pretty soon I'll be forced to get her STs too, probably in 1-2 years. (When I was a kid 6-14 I loved the 1-3 times a season I got to go with my dad, never once was bored, always loved memorizing the ref signals they devoted a page to in the program.)
My son definitely understands and watches the game and gets excited for the plays now, and understands how the scoring works and when it looks like "we won't win". But he didn't really last year, and still liked going (who doesn't like candy & pop they can't have at home?).
I'd say an evening @PAS is adequately family-friendly. If you're worried about drunks, sit in the kids zone (though not ideal for watching). Personally, we've never had a problem in any section.
I'm not worried about the drunks, I think people are encouraged to drink and they should do whatever they want to have a good time. I view a football game as an adult activity. I want to have some drinks, scream loudly, focus on the game, stay until the end, etc. I simply don't find it to be a family atmosphere and wouldn't want to bring kids unless they do show an interest in the game itself.
And yes, like anything else you'll find some exceptions to the rule, I think most children (up to a certain age) have a hard time sitting through a game.
Quote from: Jesse on July 20, 2024, 12:13:58 AMI want to have some drinks, scream loudly, focus on the game, stay until the end, etc. I simply don't find it to be a family atmosphere and wouldn't want to bring kids unless they do show an interest in the game itself.
And yes, like anything else you'll find some exceptions to the rule, I think most children (up to a certain age) have a hard time sitting through a game.
You should see my kids, they are often the loudest beings in my section! And their dad is easily the loudest otherwise.
As for sitting through the game, I've posted all my 8 years of tips & tricks to other threads over the years (with many this year). Sure, 100% it's extra work, and you can't 100% enjoy the game as normal; but what's it worth for quality memories with your kids? I wouldn't change it for the world!