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Let's start with the not-so-good news...

- Bombers are 0 and 4 to start the season,
- In addition to Miles Fox, Tyjaun Garbutt, Celestin Haba, Noah Hallett, Jake Kelly, Kenny Lawler, Cameron Lawson, Jamal Parker, Dalton Schoen and Keric Wheatfall being on the 6 game injury list,
- Evan Holm, Tui Eli, Jeremy Murphy and Zach Collaros are all Questionable for the Ottawa game.

The good news is...

- that if Chris Streveler has to start, he is probably more game ready than ever,
- Brady Oliviera as well,
- The Bombers, as a team, will be motivated to win this one at home and start a 2024 win streak.

It's as close to a "must win" game as we've been for a long time.

Ed Tait gives an overview in his 48 Hours Primer column which can be read here! (http://"http://"//www.bluebombers.com/2024/07/03/48-hour-primer-ott-at-wpg/"")

...Now, while the status of Collaros and whether he will make his 118th career CFL start and 52nd as a Blue Bomber is unknown, what's all but certain is rookie Kevens Clercius — the club's first pick in the 2024 CFL Draft — will run out of the tunnel for the first time in his young career as a starter.

A physically imposing 6-2, 217-pound target, Clercius came off the bench in Calgary following an injury to Jeremy Murphy and caught two passes for 27 yards and has seemingly taken positive steps each day since rookie camp.

"It'll be a special moment because it'll be my first start at a professional level," Clercius said Wednesday. "It's just a start for the future, but also a great thing for the people back home who supported me. Now they don't have to question if I'm going to make it. It's going to be a beautiful moment and I'm really excited for the opportunity. It's unfortunate somebody has gone down, but every time somebody goes down, somebody else has to come up and I've been working all week for that...

More details will be forthcoming and the game day discussion is open for comments here.

Let's go Bombers!!

CFL Game Notes for week 5 : Ottawa @ Winnipeg

Link: Game Notes (https://mcusercontent.com/7a0c86d02b5c64ea04a3c48be/files/a4b29d15-814b-252f-17f3-0bed107cece2/2024_GN_Gm_27_Wpg_vs_Ott.pdf)

Thanks both!

Weather note: showing risk of t.storms for Friday evening so far.  Let's see what the hourly forecast is once Thu evening rolls around.  I can handle rain and delay, but wouldn't want to see a lightning-aborted game.

Would rain help or hurt us?  I'm thinking it would really help us as with Brady/Strev maybe we can get a monster ground game going.  OTT is a pass-mostly team so far this year, and Dru is a mid/deep-loving QB... which tends to suffer in the rain.

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Bombers list Zach Collaros as QB3 for Friday (thorax) with Chris Streveler as the starter.

RB Michael Chris-Ike & WR Myron Mitchell return to the roster. Bridges and Murphy to practice roster.

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I don't think we see ZC tomorrow.  Hopefully it isn't something like a sternum issue or some internal organ problem.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 04, 2024, 02:55:29 PMI don't think we see ZC tomorrow.  Hopefully it isn't something like a sternum issue or some internal organ problem.

Let's hope. But, when you have a 325lb. man spear you in the chest at full speed???

Murphy, in his third year, continuing to get beat out by a draft pick who's played 4 games is probably a bad sign for him and/or a good sign for Clercius.

Dru Brown vs. Strev, putting my money on Brown to outshoot him unless the Bombers can create an unstoppable running attack. If Zach was starting I'd probably bet on him to overcome past difficulties and find a way to win.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 04, 2024, 03:29:08 PMMurphy, in his third year, continuing to get beat out by a draft pick who's played 4 games is probably a bad sign for him and/or a good sign for Clercius.

I believe Murphy is injured and didn't practice this week.  Can't seem to stay healthy.

With Murphy out they needed a receiver to back up and Mitchell has been around the longest. So that makes sense.

I do wonder if he gets rotated in at all and whether they might use Smith on offence in a few formations.

Need to change things up a bit.

At least Eli and Holm are able to play.

Wow feels like ages since GOLD MEMBER has been to a meaningful game! He was prospecting for gold in the black hills last couple weeks!

He wants to see a bloody win! Against anyone!

Buck needs to establish a good game plan to save his job/life! Lets perhaps scheme a bit better.

D keep doing what they've been doing.

Same with STs

Lastly lets cut down on penalties and stupid mistakes.

Time for Streveler to show he can be a decent passer. I don't expect him to throw for 350 yards but making few errors and playing a good game could be enough to win. I'm not yet that impressed with the Redblacks and we need to win this game.

Oliveria needs to get 100+ yards to help win LOS, TOP and field position.

Ottawa has a good front 7. There LBs made 27 DT last week. I am sure there going to keying on the run. Buck has to come up with a much better game plan for our O. Also, we can't turn the ball over. I  like where our teams are at right now. Time for Smith to return one.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 04, 2024, 04:52:54 PMOttawa has a good front 7. There LBs made 27 DT last week. I am sure there going to keying on the run. Buck has to come up with a much better game plan for our O. Also, we can't turn the ball over. I  like where our teams are at right now. Time for Smith to return one.

I don't think LB's making that many DT's is always a good thing. That would suggest past the DL into the 2nd level.  Griffith and Pickett had the most tackles form the WIL and SAM spots. More damage is usually done inside the OT's. Overall they gave up 400 yards of offence.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2024, 04:52:40 PMTime for Streveler to show he can be a decent passer. I don't expect him to throw for 350 yards but making few errors and playing a good game could be enough to win. I'm not yet that impressed with the Redblacks and we need to win this game.

Oliveria needs to get 100+ yards to help win LOS, TOP and field position.

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Strev. has such an unusual throwing style it's hard to predict if he can be successful or not, it looks like he does everything in a rush as he goes from a dead standstill to firing off a pass or into a full out sprint  It's a bit hard to digest.

Quote from: ModAdmin on July 04, 2024, 05:45:31 AMThe good news is...
- Brady Oliviera as well,

I think a healthy, game ready Brady will be the difference in this game.  He'll be ultra motivated and will run all over this Ottawa defense.  And we'll win.  Hopefully. 

Looks like no changes to the D this week. Like it.  I am hearing AB4 did a lot of extra running again this week. A health AB4 can only make our D better.

I wouldn't mind Chris-Ike getting a couple of touches. Kid has excellent size and very good speed.

From Jeff Hamilton:
Zach Collaros will not be dressed for Friday's game vs. Ottawa. Teams need to "dress" three QBs, so he's on the depth chart.

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 04, 2024, 06:14:12 PMFrom Jeff Hamilton:
Zach Collaros will not be dressed for Friday's game vs. Ottawa. Teams need to "dress" three QBs, so he's on the depth chart.

Saving SMS! Also pretty much guarantees it's a short term injury, so that's good.

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I have to say - Ottawa's roster management looks pretty good. We're starting 10 Canadians and are not making use of the designated National/American rules, seemingly because it wounds O'Shea's pride. Meanwhile, Ottawa's got Wakefield coming in for a Global for half the game and are starting 7 Canadians.

I'm a huge O'Shea fan but you need to adapt or you get left behind. The margin between winning or losing this season is really small and not embracing the rules as they're written today is a bit of a red flag in my eyes. You can see the urgency and desperation from Ottawa to have a good season. It kind of feels like we've decided it's okay to take a victory lap this season and get ready for next.

Guessing Buck will be moving the pocket a bit more to utilize threat of Strev taking off...rolling him out cuts the field in half but Strev is less effective in the pocket than when he's creating with his legs...and a good dose of RPO will help to keep the D guessing and open gaps for Brady or Strev to run through.

Excited to see what Strev brings after a full week of starters reps during practise...and to see what Buck has done in terms of game planning to put Strev in a position to be successful.  Not convinced having him pass out of the pocket for the majority of snaps on O is a recipe for success

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 04, 2024, 06:14:12 PMFrom Jeff Hamilton:
Zach Collaros will not be dressed for Friday's game vs. Ottawa. Teams need to "dress" three QBs, so he's on the depth chart.

Isn't that a contradiction? I would think he would dress but as the # 3 QB and be on the sidelines in uniform. We don't have another QB available on the PR.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2024, 06:43:10 PMIsn't that a contradiction? I would think he would dress but as the # 3 QB and be on the sidelines in uniform. We don't have another QB available on the PR.

Teams need to roster 3 quarterbacks, they dont need to be in uniform.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 04, 2024, 06:32:30 PMI have to say - Ottawa's roster management looks pretty good. We're starting 10 Canadians and are not making use of the designated National/American rules, seemingly because it wounds O'Shea's pride. Meanwhile, Ottawa's got Wakefield coming in for a Global for half the game and are starting 7 Canadians.

I'm a huge O'Shea fan but you need to adapt or you get left behind. The margin between winning or losing this season is really small and not embracing the rules as they're written today is a bit of a red flag in my eyes. You can see the urgency and desperation from Ottawa to have a good season. It kind of feels like we've decided it's okay to take a victory lap this season and get ready for next.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2024, 06:43:10 PMIsn't that a contradiction? I would think he would dress but as the # 3 QB and be on the sidelines in uniform. We don't have another QB available on the PR.

Even if we did have another QB, we might not dress him. Saves money.

Quote from: gobombersgo on July 04, 2024, 06:45:08 PMTeams need to roster 3 quarterbacks, they dont need to be in uniform.

Still seems like a loophole issue which I doubt was the intent of the rule. We have seen 2 QB's in a game get injured requiring the 3rd string QB to play ( Ottawa ) in the past. So if their # 3 was not dressed due to some injury that becomes an issue.

We've seen a QB nicked that could play and is dressed as an emergency.

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 04, 2024, 06:47:42 PMEven if we did have another QB, we might not dress him. Saves money.

I get that but what happens when a team loses a QB to the 6 game IR and doesn't have another QB on the PR? Riders just brought in Barriere due to Harris moved to IR.

Not many teams seem to retain a QB on their PR, but QB's are lost to injury all the time.

Quote from: gordo on July 04, 2024, 05:44:03 PMI think a healthy, game ready Brady will be the difference in this game.  He'll be ultra motivated and will run all over this Ottawa defense.  And we'll win.  Hopefully. 

Last game showed Brady can't run at will against a team keying on him, nor could Andrew Harris. It's up to the O-line to make holes for him to run through and Strev. to punish Ottawa from keying on him.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2024, 06:59:12 PMLast game showed Brady can't run at will against a team keying on him, nor could Andrew Harris. It's up to the O-line to make holes for him to run through and Strev. to punish Ottawa from keying on him.

Yeah, that's been our history. If we can't establish the run and produce a balanced attack we struggle.

The Redblacks will stack the box we have to show we can complete passes downfield to loosen that up.

I'm not convinced we can't run on the Redblacks but we'll see early in the game.

Like I said, don't run up the gut on offensive play # 1. Be less predictable.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2024, 06:59:12 PMLast game showed Brady can't run at will against a team keying on him, nor could Andrew Harris. It's up to the O-line to make holes for him to run through and Strev. to punish Ottawa from keying on him.

Ya I was thinking our less than stellar O-line also has to step up.  But a motivated healthy Brady can overcome and dominate. 

And hopefully Buck has inserted some play action, options and rollouts for Strev that will stretch the Ottawa defense and hopefully not allow them to key on Brady as much.  If they keep much the same playbook as they have for Zach and have Strev in the pocket all night then it will be a long night.

I think these next two games will determine our season. If we lose both, we are done. If we win both, we will probably be in a playoff spot (or close to it).

I know there is a narrative that you can make the playoffs at 6-12, but realistically, we need to be 8-10.

If we go 1-5, we will need to go 7-5 to make the playoffs.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2024, 06:59:12 PMLast game showed Brady can't run at will against a team keying on him, nor could Andrew Harris. It's up to the O-line to make holes for him to run through and Strev. to punish Ottawa from keying on him.

Agreed. As much as Brady will want to run and impress the home crowd, everyone and his brother knows this and they'll be keying on him for sure. Add to that, our O line has been less than stellar, I don't see a huge game from him--I see a huge effort from him, just don't think he's going to have a big game running the ball. They are going to force Strev to pass the ball, and we are doomed. 0-5 here we come!!

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2024, 07:02:42 PMYeah, that's been our history. If we can't establish the run and produce a balanced attack we struggle.

The Redblacks will stack the box we have to show we can complete passes downfield to loosen that up.

I'm not convinced we can't run on the Redblacks but we'll see early in the game.

Like I said, don't run up the gut on offensive play # 1. Be less predictable.

In the second half against our game against BC, we saw some misdirection in the run game and Brady rumble to a 7 yard average. And we completely abandoned that against Calgary, running straight up the middle before abandoning the run game completely in the second half.

I truly don't understand what we're trying to do on offence this year.

Quote from: dd on July 04, 2024, 11:03:39 PMAgreed. As much as Brady will want to run and impress the home crowd, everyone and his brother knows this and they'll be keying on him for sure. Add to that, our O line has been less than stellar, I don't see a huge game from him--I see a huge effort from him, just don't think he's going to have a big game running the ball. They are going to force Strev to pass the ball, and we are doomed. 0-5 here we come!!

We are not doomed.  We have the best back in the league, a good backup and Desmki will be sprinkled in.  We have a good OC.  Strev can win if a few things go our way.  I expect a decent run game and a competitive match.  Overstated on the negative imo.  Overall I see two teams that are fairly close.

Quote from: peg_city on July 04, 2024, 08:43:11 PMI think these next two games will determine our season. If we lose both, we are done. If we win both, we will probably be in a playoff spot (or close to it).

I know there is a narrative that you can make the playoffs at 6-12, but realistically, we need to be 8-10.

If we go 1-5, we will need to go 7-5 to make the playoffs.

This game will be a good test to see if Strev. has improved over the past 4 years, hopefully he gets a few more full games this season to see if he's worth investing in long-term or not. If this season is going to end out of the playoffs the last thing I want to see in the off-season is them making an ill-informed decision regarding their future QB just because he's a fan favourite.

The slump ends tomorrow or my name is not ICHABOD CRANE!! :) The Headless horseman from Sleep Hollow is coming for the RedBlacks!! :D

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on July 04, 2024, 04:48:23 PMHe wants to see a bloody win! Against anyone!

Would the Oak Park Raiders count?  Could we beat them??   :o  :o  :o

Quote from: Blueforlife on July 05, 2024, 01:19:17 AMOverall I see two teams that are fairly close.

Ya, and OTT may be the league's 2nd worst team based on what I see from them on-field (standings notwithstanding)... so what does that say about us?  Being "fairly close" to OTT means we are either worst in the league or 2nd worst.  Yay.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 04, 2024, 06:53:02 PMWe've seen a QB nicked that could play and is dressed as an emergency.

Well, by dressing him we are also giving him a full game cheque.  MOS often does this to "reward" PR-ish players for being patient... or keeping the superstars flush with cash and happy.

Two things:

1) Why put him on AR and not dress him?  It's ridiculous.  You dress 3 because your 2 QBs could get hurt.  Especially when one of those QBs is "Raging Bull" Strevie.  I'm assuming he's not so injured he couldn't even take 1 snap.

2) Say Strevie/Wilson get hurt... can Zach run to the locker room and get dressed?  He is rostered.  Us saying "he's not dressing" is not anything official (is it?).  Surely if 2 QBs get hurt we can suit up Zach rather than put Gauthier in at QB?

What are we doing dressing 2 FB's?!  That's crazy talk.  Has Buck/MOS finally spent some time coming up with novel and creative schemes?  Could it be true?

What if we put all OLS and RBs and FBs in and put everyone in the box?  I think we may see a ton of max-pro / super-jumbo sets to shore up our OL woes.

This game will be exciting because I have no idea what to expect.  If we get the same lame O schemes as the last 4 weeks I'm gonna be pretty disappointed!

I'm cautiously optimistic... though I still think we'll lose as of right now.

Why?  Our D depth chart is actually starting to look ok.  Our DBs are 1 shy of our desired week 1 line-up (Bonds for Parker).  Our LB corps is exactly as desired, and healthy and pretty stout.  DL, though still beat up and hurting from no Lawson, actually looks ok on paper... Adams/Woods rotation isn't bad, and Fayad might be the real deal (crossing fingers).

The O still looks like beat-up pulp, but if we can manage a ball-control O and NOT TURN IT OVER LIKE DUKES, we might just have a chance.  If we can see even a teensy bit of improvement from the OL, Brady can break a couple loose, and if at least 1 of the new receivers has a break-out game, maybe we can do it!

On the other side of the equation: OTT has a killer R corps in Acklin, Hardy, Addison, Rhymes!  Yowzers!  Mardner is the only no-name.  Their OL is pretty good.  On D their front 7 is monster and will make our run game difficult.  We'll need deception and creativity and lots of outside runs.  Their DBs are now a solid unit so passing deep will be dangerous if Strev isn't on target.

Quote from: Jesse on July 04, 2024, 11:18:24 PMIn the second half against our game against BC, we saw some misdirection in the run game and Brady rumble to a 7 yard average. And we completely abandoned that against Calgary, running straight up the middle before abandoning the run game completely in the second half.

I truly don't understand what we're trying to do on offence this year.

Brady.... Two carries second half in the Calgary game. 

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2024, 11:27:17 AMWell, by dressing him we are also giving him a full game cheque.  MOS often does this to "reward" PR-ish players for being patient... or keeping the superstars flush with cash and happy.

Two things:

1) Why put him on AR and not dress him?  It's ridiculous.  You dress 3 because your 2 QBs could get hurt.  Especially when one of those QBs is "Raging Bull" Strevie.  I'm assuming he's not so injured he couldn't even take 1 snap.

2) Say Strevie/Wilson get hurt... can Zach run to the locker room and get dressed?  He is rostered.  Us saying "he's not dressing" is not anything official (is it?).  Surely if 2 QBs get hurt we can suit up Zach rather than put Gauthier in at QB?

He gets paid on 1 game IR. However as mentioned if we had another QB on the PR, it would cost us more to add him to the AR.

Regardless, we don't have another QB and there doesn't seem to be an expectation that Collaros will miss multiple games.

I'm not sure what the rule is on the depth chart versus not dressed.  As I mentioned I thought he'd dress as # 3 and never see the field unless multiple injuries to our other 2 QB's.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 04, 2024, 06:59:12 PMLast game showed Brady can't run at will against a team keying on him, nor could Andrew Harris. It's up to the O-line to make holes for him to run through and Strev. to punish Ottawa from keying on him.

Ottawa will focus on stopping the run game and they have a solid front 7 and are capable of doing it AND pressuring Strevvy in the process.   If they manage that it will be a long day for Strevvy as we all know how important it is to establish our running game.   It always boils down to who wins the battles in the trenches and we simply are NOT as dominant this year as we were in past seasons....Calgary's D dictated what style our Offence had to play and they won the game with Demerio Houston making that OT pick after Strevvy was pressured to throw the ball or take a sack.   

Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on July 05, 2024, 02:43:55 PMOttawa will focus on stopping the run game and they have a solid front 7 and are capable of doing it AND pressuring Strevvy in the process.   If they manage that it will be a long day for Strevvy as we all know how important it is to establish our running game.   It always boils down to who wins the battles in the trenches and we simply are NOT as dominant this year as we were in past seasons....Calgary's D dictated what style our Offence had to play and they won the game with Demerio Houston making that OT pick after Strevvy was pressured to throw the ball or take a sack.   

Yup. We need to find a way to back them off. Whether that's the passing game, screen plays, draws, misdirection...

Show us something Buck.

The Strevolution is beginning.

Quote from: Blitzer on July 05, 2024, 03:40:24 PMThe Strevolution is beginning.

Or ending. I hope he does well but I'm not confidant in him. Judgment will not be completely fair due to other problems on the team. Winning of losing is not completely within the control of just the QB.

Quote from: Jesse on July 05, 2024, 02:46:01 PMYup. We need to find a way to back them off. Whether that's the passing game, screen plays, draws, misdirection...

Show us something Buck.

Question is can Strev. execute various play calls skillfully?  He's 29, the lights are on him and this is his opportunity to show the entire league if he's a capable starter or not. As a starter his running style isn't sustainable due to risk of injury, the guy has to start using his brain and not his brawn.  4 games in and the longest run he's had is 12 yds. mostly he's been held to under 4, far from busting off the 20 yard TD sprints around the end he was capable of in 2019. Defences know what he can do and are ready for him.

Quote from: Blitzer on July 05, 2024, 03:40:24 PMThe Strevolution is beginning.

Did Buck Pierce get the memo? His play-calling has been atrocious.

I'm hoping to tune in tonight but I'm worried about this game - and this team.

Aside from winning it would be helpful if the Stamps lose to the Als tomorrow. Bombers play the Stamps next week at home so there could be a chance to move the standings.

This game is so important for us to win to get some momentum going for us. Calgary is likely to lose against the Als, so we win today and beat the Stamps next week, the season gets inter3stimg. We lose tonight and then the hole we re in gets deeper, lose the following week and our season is done.

Tonight is an absolute must win for us

Quote from: dd on July 05, 2024, 05:59:40 PMThis game is so important for us to win to get some momentum going for us. Calgary is likely to lose against the Als, so we win today and beat the Stamps next week, the season gets inter3stimg. We lose tonight and then the hole we re in gets deeper, lose the following week and our season is done.

Tonight is an absolute must win for us

I couldn't agree more. This is the most important regular season game the Bombers have had in years. If the Bombers can win the next two they are right back in it and can save the season. IF THEY LOSE BOTH THEY ARE DONE FOR 2024

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 05, 2024, 03:48:17 PMQuestion is can Strev. execute various play calls skillfully?  He's 29, the lights are on him and this is his opportunity to show the entire league if he's a capable starter or not. As a starter his running style isn't sustainable due to risk of injury, the guy has to start using his brain and not his brawn.  4 games in and the longest run he's had is 12 yds. mostly he's been held to under 4, far from busting off the 20 yard TD sprints around the end he was capable of in 2019. Defences know what he can do and are ready for him.

To me, this is the biggest question mark of the game (along with what exactly Buck's plan will be).

Many are suggesting that we roll him out, do RPOs, etc., but is he a skilled enough passer? We know he can run track, but can he throw accurately while doing so? We haven't seen much evidence that he can pass in the pocket, and doing so on the run is significantly harder.

I'm hoping the plays called will take this into account (a screen is a nice example) where we aren't just running Strev like Tebow or asking him to play like (2021-2023) Zach but are giving him accomplishable plays that put us in a position to convert consistently and assemble drives. I'm not asking for 5 TD throws, I'm asking for drives and giving us field position.

If we can win those, we limit Ottawa's time with the ball and also have Castillo to finish things off if our second team O (now starting O) can't get it done in or near the red zone.

It's going to be a perfect night for football. 24 at kickoff, and little to no windy. Nice night for a win.

All I can say is one word.....WIN!!

Last week our secondary made 27 DT's. That's not good. Bond only had 1 so he wasn't being targeted. Alexander and Holm had 8 each.

I'd like to see our DL and LB's creating more pressure this week.

Win the turnover battle, less mental mistakes leading to dumb penalties , control the ball (fewer 2and outs), better pressure on the opposition QB and no explosion plays. If that all happens we will win comfortably. Otherwise it will be a close game again. I have a good feeling about this game!

Welp.

Here we go!

Good opening drive for 3 points. Now a 2-and-out. Let's go, boys!

Despite all that's gone wrong this year, I feel good about tonight's game, things are gonna change tonight!! C mon Strevy, lead us to a win baby!!

Egan, those were 2 brutal passes by strev, gotta do better than that

Dedmon makes returning punts look effortless. Instant field position for ottawa

Just no disasters on offense and let the D do their thing.

Sometimes kramdi...you need to be better

That's a bad call. Holm did nothing wrong there.

qbs have been passing to Kramdls coverage all year

Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2024, 01:01:14 AMSometimes kramdi...you need to be better

He's lost out there, didn't have a clue the ball was com8ng

Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2024, 01:01:22 AMThat's a bad call. Holm did nothing wrong there.

Exactly, he s allowed to stand his ground, the reciever ran into him not the other way around

we're nothing if predictable

lofton got beat bad

MOS might be about to find out why you dress a #3 QB.

Onteria Wilson still looks lost on half the plays.  He doesn't know where to line up

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 01:08:42 AMMOS might be about to find out why you dress a #3 QB.

Paging terry Wilson...Strev is taking hits

Where does one find an IPA at Princess Auto stadium. Without navigating the Rum HUt Hoard?

streveler has been getting killed by penalties

These officials are killing us.

Quote from: gordo on July 06, 2024, 01:13:24 AMWhere does one find an IPA at Princess Auto stadium. Without navigating the Rum HUt Hoard?

Might be easiest to go upstairs to the 200 level

Biggie and Holm having good games.

What the heck was Woli s penalty for, illegal block??, streveller was running the ball, I don't get it. Can tsn show some replays please!!

when smith doesn't dance, hes so much better

Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2024, 01:17:00 AMBiggie and Holm having good games.

They are.  Biggie is playing - hoping he can keep it up

Keep giving BO the ball in every way imaginable.

Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2024, 01:18:14 AMwhen smith doesn't dance, hes so much better

I thought he looked a little slow there. Seemed like he was gone for a second but then everyone just closed in on him.

THE PLAYERS DONT KNOW WHERE TO LINE UP

Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2024, 01:21:36 AMTHE PLAYERS DONT KNOW WHERE TO LINE UP

A rookie 3rd string RB who I've never seen on the field and is in his 2nd or 3rd game needed to be redirected by the QB.

Best we've looked so far this year.

Strev is a warrior, but he is clearly hurt right now and roughing it out. John Wayne is looking down and giving him the thumbs up!!

Dru brown is kinda meh

Our D has been keeping it together. Still need our offence to score some points if we want to walk away with the win.

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 01:24:15 AMA rookie 3rd string RB who I've never seen on the field and is in his 2nd or 3rd game needed to be redirected by the QB.

And Wilson a few series before

Smith has to learn you only have time for one juke.

Strev looks injured, his rite hip

Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2024, 01:25:56 AMDru brown is kinda meh

I like the job Younger/Richie has done with this D.

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 01:28:09 AMOur D has been keeping it together. Still need our offence to score some points if we want to walk away with the win.

BO is the key. Keep giving him the rock.

Strev isn't being wreckless with the ball.

This is the type of game we need to play. Don't sorry about shooting the lights out, pound the rock, then pound it some more,chew up the clock, score a TD. That's the game plan to go with. They can't score if we got the ball. We re 3:1 in TOP.

I love the strev -Brady 2 headed monster. Not sure if strev can stay healthy long term doing this, but man Brady looks fresh out there with strev taking some of the running plays and making the defense adjust then hit them with Brady

Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2024, 01:30:36 AMBO is the key. Keep giving him the rock.

Strev running has really opened things up for him.

TOUCHDOWN!!

Great drive. No penalties and BO is so good

Kramdi is an idiot. That's a selfish, boneheaded play. Go play for the riders if you want to play like that!!

Clear penalty on kramdi

stupid penalty to take

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 01:45:26 AMKramdi is an idiot. That's a selfish, boneheaded play. Go play for the riders if you want to play like that!!

It was clearly a penalty, but real time, Kramdi dove in the same instant Dru went for the slide. Would have been really hard for him to avoid.

BO is feeling it tonight. I'd keep giving it to him until Ottawa shows they can stop him.

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 01:49:09 AMIt was clearly a penalty, but real time, Kramdi dove in the same instant Dru went for the slide. Would have been really hard for him to avoid.

You could clearly see he purposely stuck his forearm out to make contact with browns head. Should have been a 25 yd RP and kicked out of the game. Total bush league cheap shot

Bombers were the more physical team that half. I like it.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 01:59:03 AMYou could clearly see he purposely stuck his forearm out to make contact with browns head. Should have been a 25 yd RP and kicked out of the game. Total bush league cheap shot

lol, my expectations for someone's body control while they are in a dive is apparently lowers than yours.

He hit Dru in the head. Intentional or not, it has to be a penalty. But 25 yards and kicking out of the game is a ridiculous take for a bang/bang play like that.

Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2024, 02:01:05 AMBombers were the more physical team that half. I like it.

I've been expecting this team for a couple games now. Not there yet, but nice to see.

70 yards passing
130 yards rushing

Keep feeding BO

I like the play package Buck has designed for Streveler. It's giving the Ottawa D fits.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2024, 02:08:40 AM70 yards passing
130 yards rushing

Keep feeding BO

Going to be a lot of running by both teams now.

Willie!

Atta boy, Willie!

Clercius looking like Bailey out there.

How do they not call that hit on Strev? Wow!

Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2024, 02:21:52 AMClercius looking like Bailey out there.

He really is

Contact to the head, clearly at least a 15 yd penalty.

Grade 2 spear.

Big sadness not getting a TD there

Again players not sure where to go

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 02:23:56 AMContact to the head, clearly at least a 15 yd penalty.

Not 25 yards and a game misconduct?

Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2024, 02:25:41 AMBig sadness not getting a TD there

Again players not sure where to go

That'll come. I really liked the drive. Keeping the Ottawa D off balance. Lamont made a nice play there or Brady scores easily.

Keep playing smash-mouth ball.

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 02:01:20 AMlol, my expectations for someone's body control while they are in a dive is apparently lowers than yours.

He hit Dru in the head. Intentional or not, it has to be a penalty. But 25 yards and kicking out of the game is a ridiculous take for a bang/bang play like that.

Jesse, it's the forearm extension to the head—- that kramdi had control of, he could have pulled it back instead of extending it for contact to the head, is what I am talking about. It was avoidable. His body didn't hit brown in the head, it was his extended forearm. Barker and Sanchez more or less said the said thing on the half time panel, and I m good if they agree with me and you don't. But it was a bush league play, just like the Ottawa hit on strevy that we had to go upstairs to get right. Why can't officals see the clesr hit to the head, that's where their eyes should be on a slide tackle, don't worry about the player being down, he is as soon as he starts his slide, all you're slook8ng for as an official is contact to the head, and they're missing it, and that's the frustrating part. We need to get this crap out of the game

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 02:26:16 AMNot 25 yards and a game misconduct?

You know if I was reffing it would have been!! I think they should kick players out who purposely hit a defenseless player in the head, it's written in the rule book, just enforce it.

thats a play 2 years ago bigjill makes on crums run

Defence as soft as a Krispy Kreme donut

Brutal

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 02:31:28 AMJesse, it's the forearm extension to the head—- that kramdi had control of, he could have pulled it back instead of extending it for contact to the head, is what I am talking about. It was avoidable. His body didn't hit brown in the head, it was his extended forearm. Barker and Sanchez more or less said the said thing on the half time panel, and I m good if they agree with me and you don't. But it was a bush league play, just like the Ottawa hit on strevy that we had to go upstairs to get right. Why can't officals see the clesr hit to the head, that's where their eyes should be on a slide tackle, don't worry about the player being down, he is as soon as he starts his slide, all you're slook8ng for as an official is contact to the head, and they're missing it, and that's the frustrating part. We need to get this crap out of the game

Barker agreed it was a dirty hit - also said Kramdi shouldn't be kicked out of the game. Dunigan disagrees with you, said it was a bang/bang hit.

bighill aint cutting it as MLB

Quote from: The Zipp on July 06, 2024, 02:33:24 AMDefence as soft as a Krispy Kreme donut

Brutal

They've been really stout all game long. But they're clearly struggling with Ottawa's switch in style.

Game on. We need to answer that Ottawa drive now. Let's go boys!

Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2024, 02:33:08 AMthats a play 2 years ago bigjill makes on crums run

Absolutely

Father Time is cruel

Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2024, 02:33:08 AMthats a play 2 years ago bigjill makes on crums run

It's painful to watch. I just stop posting on his declined play. That blitz in the first half where he fell short at browns feet and brown just rolled out and away was embarrassing and typical of his play, a yard short and a step behind, and it's just going to get worse. He ll retire at the end of this season, in the meantime, just cuss your TV set !!

Quote from: Go_Big_D on July 06, 2024, 02:34:01 AMbighill aint cutting it as MLB

A speedy RB/QB combo is really going to highlight his deficiencies, unfortunately.

BO is hurt

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 02:33:47 AMBarker agreed it was a dirty hit - also said Kramdi shouldn't be kicked out of the game. Dunigan disagrees with you, said it was a bang/bang hit.

Disappointed in dunnigans comment, if anyone should know about hits to the head and concussions it's him. It wasn't bang bang, it was a forearm extension to the head, that ain't bang bang

Best Strev throw season

Then nearly his worst

Brady in the locker room?!?!?

Nice kick! Good answer.

They are getting 5 yards per run

Oakman would have looked good on this line

If Brady's hurt bad this is getting beyond cruel.

Quote from: Pete on July 06, 2024, 02:42:03 AMOakman would have looked good on this line

Pass.

Ottawa should have run it. 

Great INT

Bonds ran a better route than Rhymes! Great play!

Quote from: J5V on July 06, 2024, 02:42:39 AMIf Brady's hurt bad this is getting beyond cruel.

Right? Can one game go by without losing another starter?

Demski wasn't even close to open

Ferocious special teams tackle!! Things are slowly turning around!

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 02:48:45 AMFerocious special teams tackle!! Things are slowly turning around!

Ayers has been a beast on special teams.

Awesome sack by Adams!!

Brady back. Whew.

This must be the "LAPO" set where you need 9 and throw for 7. LOL!

Castillo has been deadly tonight, and he ain't hitting no 30 yard Lewis ward specials, 2 over 50!,. Apparently the microchip in the ball was the reason he was off the first game!!

Gonna have to play a 60 minute game if we want to win this one. C'mon boys!

At least the offense has been helping out the D. Strevy needs to be careful with the rock.

thats an absolutely ridicules call, keep the flags in pocket or call em even

***. Why would we get a 15 yarder and they get a 10?

Why was one misconduct penalty 15 yard and the other 10?? Please explain? Thx

What a horrible job of officiating.

crum ran into the bomber player.. poorest officiating I've seen this year

Boneheaded push by Wilson. You just can't take indisciplined penalties like this, it'll cost you on the score board

Bighills just too slow now

bighill is just too slow to react

This D will learn to play physically without taking the penalties. O'Shea will make sure of that!

The D penalties were mostly a joke.

The O penalties are mistakes that need correction.

Heroic efforts by Brady and strev!!

OL needs some love.

Strev just runs through santos Knox, awesome!!

Brady was also our leading receiver, lol.

Finally a win. We were looking for ways to screw it up though. Too many penalties.

Lots of ugly issues to discuss but I think I'll leave it for a day or two.

Bond has been playing very well. I hope that shoulder issue doesn't keep him out of the next game. Nice pic.

Bryant came up limping late in the game but toughed it out. He's a stud.

We controlled field position, TOP. Controlling LOS on both sides was on and off for both teams.

I can't seem to get into the stats to take a look at the moment. I was curious how many running plays Bo had and how many Streveler had.

Being the short yardage QB he was taking a lot of extra hits because we were in short yardage often. They couldn't stop him but he paid the price and is going to need time in the ice tub.

Clercius is going to be a good player in the future if not by the end of the season. That said we still might see Alston or Case next week? No sign of Whitehead yet so he's a couple of weeks away from being ready if he shows up early next week.

I didn't think O. Wilson or Johnson played that badly but we didn't throw to either often. We played an extremely safe passing game.

We HAVE to play the ball control, time possession game to win ball games. We simply don't have the passing attack to play runs and gun. It was a battle but we got it done, onto Calgary and clean up the discipline issues and battle again for the next win.

Well, the house was rocking tonight. Not pretty at some points of the game, but we did what we needed to.

A couple of stupid penalties, and a lot of holding by Ottawa's OL gave Ottawa some momentum.

Ugly win, well done but not sustainable, not sure they would beat many other teams playing with such a limited playbook.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2024, 03:41:25 AMI can't seem to get into the stats to take a look at the moment. I was curious how many running plays Bo had and how many Streveler had.

Being the short yardage QB he was taking a lot of extra hits because we were in short yardage often. They couldn't stop him but he paid the price and is going to need time in the ice tub.

Clercius is going to be a good player in the future if not by the end of the season. That said we still might see Alston or Case next week? No sign of Whitehead yet so he's a couple of weeks away from being ready if he shows up early next week.

I didn't think O. Wilson or Johnson played that badly but we didn't throw to either often. We played an extremely safe passing game.

Brady had 23 runs, Strev 13, Augustine 1.

Whitehead is in Winnipeg. I'd expect to see him in practice this week.

I once again predicted a run on 1st down of our 1st possession. I didn't think we would run that play on nearly every 1st down play in the game. Sheeesh.

That explains Santos-Knox leading the Redblacks DT's with 12!!

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 03:51:24 AMBrady had 23 runs, Strev 13, Augustine 1.

Whitehead is in Winnipeg. I'd expect to see him in practice this week.

I figured he'd be here by next practice but he won't know the playbook in a couple of quick practices. He certainly won't be in game shape.

That said, he could replace Mitchell as the back up returner and emergency receiver? Realistically I don't think that happens that quick.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2024, 03:55:26 AMI figured he'd be here by next practice but he won't know the playbook in a couple of quick practices. He certainly won't be in game shape.

That said, he could replace Mitchell as the back up returner and emergency receiver? Realistically I don't think that happens that quick.

There are several starters on our roster right now who can win as rookies with barely any prep. I wouldn't be shocked if Lucky got in fairly quickly.

3 sacks tonight, D getting a little more pressure. Feltmate with 3 tackles had a good night on teams.

Injuries: Strev, Bonds, Bryant, Clercius, BO20. 

Anybody watching at home hear why we got 15 yards, and they only got 10 on those roughing penalties.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 06, 2024, 04:08:15 AMAnybody watching at home hear why we got 15 yards, and they only got 10 on those roughing penalties.

They never showed the replay, even though TSN had at least 30 seconds to do so.

As for Lucky he may be in Wpg. but he hasn't been signed yet.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2024, 03:41:25 AMI can't seem to get into the stats to take a look at the moment. I was curious how many running plays Bo had and how many Streveler had.

Being the short yardage QB he was taking a lot of extra hits because we were in short yardage often. They couldn't stop him but he paid the price and is going to need time in the ice tub.

Clercius is going to be a good player in the future if not by the end of the season. That said we still might see Alston or Case next week? No sign of Whitehead yet so he's a couple of weeks away from being ready if he shows up early next week.

I didn't think O. Wilson or Johnson played that badly but we didn't throw to either often. We played an extremely safe passing game.

Agreed.

FYI could not get in stats all game. Bomber wifi and cell coverage was poor tonight.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 03:19:01 AMHeroic efforts by Brady and strev!!

Yes, Sergio, Willie and cover team played well.

Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 05, 2024, 06:12:34 AMThe slump ends tomorrow or my name is not ICHABOD CRANE!! :) The Headless horseman from Sleep Hollow is coming for the RedBlacks!! :D

Need I say more?! Get on the Ichabod Crane horse "band" wagon through Sleepy Hollow!!! :D ;)

One thing I noticed all game.  Many times when Strev handed off to Brady he then ran and threw blocks as much as he could to keep him going.

Kinda reminds me of Favre as a Viking.

One more thing - I listened to the post game on the way home, and I think it was Brady talking about Strev bringing so much energy that he hasn't seen from other qb's.

Watching from right behind the Bomber bench - Strev was completely jacked on the sidelines.  He was pacing like a lion in a cage.  After he got that rushing td he was yelling things that would make a sailor blush for sure. 

He definitely brings energy and cranks everyone else up.

Strev is very emotional and a really, really tough football player. His passing game won't scare anyone, but he will literally run through a wall for this team. Watching him block tonight for Brady jacked me up! Now there's a guy who wants to win football games. If I ve got to go to war, I want strev riding shotgun for me!! Love #17!!!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 05, 2024, 11:21:56 AMYa, and OTT may be the league's 2nd worst team based on what I see from them on-field (standings notwithstanding)... so what does that say about us?  Being "fairly close" to OTT means we are either worst in the league or 2nd worst.  Yay.

We are middle of the pack

1Q6:23 I think something is wrong with Brady.  It could be why he wasn't terribly effective weeks 1-4... I don't mean he took a new injury, I mean something is fundamentally wrong with one of his legs/ankles/feet.

1Q6:23 the dump pass to Brady behind the LoS: it's high and Brady tries to jump up for it on the move, and he actually can't.  It's like the rear part of his left leg (muscle & achilles) is messed up and he can't extend that foot like you would to effect a jump.

And since his body didn't do what he thought it would/should, he fell down in a goofy way and looked rather sad.

He also had that earlier run from the gun where he tripped on Strev's foot... a RB should be able to recover from tapping the QB's foot lightly.  They are supposed to be all about balance.

And what could that injury/weakeness be?

So I'm wondering, is something going majorly wrong with him that he's covering for or we aren't being told about?  Or...

It's extra strange because he's power running and juking like a man possessed in many of his other runs.  No signs of injury or limitation there.  Yet, here we are with this strange jump thing... unless it really was just a goofy mistake...  But if you go and watch it, you try to explain it away!

2Q11:10 Strev is not over the LoS and that is not an illegal forward pass.  Yet Strev was flagged.  See pic below.  LoS is exactly on that 45YL (the blue line is a bit off, as usual).  (The earlier one in 1Q was also not over BTW, so refs got that non-call correct.)

Since changing the rule to require only *any* part of any body appendage to be behind the LoS the league has been extremely lenient on these calls.  They've let guys be *actually* 2 feet too far get away with it, many times.  I understand it's hard for the ref on the rail to gauge these things in realtime: hence why they give such leeway.

So I have no idea why they are calling this against Strev.  It's against league precedent, and in this case, blatantly wrong.  Command should step in and uncall these.  They are somewhat rare, and it's a very easy/fast call to check.

MOS could have easily won this challenge, but has learned in previous weeks you have to hold that nylon to keep the refs honest.  And in this game the refs were sure gunning for us with all that nonsense on Woli and even Big Stan.

(https://fsi.ca/tec/ifp0.jpg)

Suits is so stupid... "2 yard over".  Dolt doesn't know the rule is based on the trailing bit of the most-trailing body part.  Strev did the little "hop" pass thing they all do to get that rear leg/foot as far back as possible.  It's that rear foot that counts here, and it's on the LoS.

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 01:49:09 AMIt was clearly a penalty, but real time, Kramdi dove in the same instant Dru went for the slide. Would have been really hard for him to avoid.

Live @PAS I thought Dru's slide was waaaay too late.  I measured on the computer and from the first real indication of a slide to the Kramdi hit was well under a second.  The two guys were almost at the same yardline marker laterally when Kramdi came in.

Remember just a couple of years ago when Zach was sliding late and teams (CGY? SSK?) were taking big shots just like this right on Zach's head?  Same thing, arms to the head.  Ya, no penalties on those.  Remember @IGF?  Crowd was reaaaaallly mad.

So you could say maybe the timing was ok.  What about the arm-to-head?  Ya, well, as we all know when a QB is running, especially over the LoS, they are just another RB.  And RBs take arms to the head all the time and no one cares.  There's no special protection (or at least by rule!) for a running QB.

I think what got the refs undies in a wad was the helmet coming off and the after-effects.  When you do the ol' Cody-writhe you are more likely to draw a flag.  Should the result factor into it?  I don't think it should, and rules don't say it should, but refs clearly are affected by the player writhing vs bouncing back up.

Just moments before, on the Strev rushing TD, after the whistle went and the TD signal arms were up in the air, a couple of Redblacks drove Strev back across the GL and slammed his head to the turf.  No one noticed or care and no flags were thrown.  No one cares to protect Strev because he's a "running QB".  Proof is later on in the game when command had to throw the UR flag because the refs have a different standard for a mostly-pocket QB than a mostly-running QB.

In sum, I don't like the result of the Kramdi hit, but the standard is so subjective and inconsistent year to year and game to game.  They always told our QBs they were sliding too late, but let Dru slide late.  Make it consistent.  Make it fair.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 01:59:03 AMYou could clearly see he purposely stuck his forearm out to make contact with browns head. Should have been a 25 yd RP and kicked out of the game. Total bush league cheap shot

I just checked the spearing rules (2024 edition) and by definition the forearm is not a spear.  And spearing is the most likely thing on people's mind here because he's diving for Dru.

That's why refs called "RTP" and not spearing.  It's actually funny, because he's not a passer here, he's a runner.  Past the LoS I don't think RTP should ever be called.  You can call UR if it fits, but not RTP.

So I don't know by what exact rule they are dinging Kramdi for here.  Maybe there's something in there about arms to the head on a running ball carrier?  Funny, that would be news to Brady...

2Q0:36 The lateral: drew the angle lines with the computer and that looks like a precise lateral.  Live I thought it was clearly a rearward pass by maybe a foot, but the computer says it was perfectly sideways!  And certainly enough so to make it impossible to overturn.

I'm not sure I've ever see one go precisely sideways before.  Luckily for us, that's the basic definition of "lateral"!

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 06, 2024, 09:53:54 AMSuits is so stupid... "2 yard over".  Dolt doesn't know the rule is based on the trailing bit of the most-trailing body part.  Strev did the little "hop" pass thing they all do to get that rear leg/foot as far back as possible.  It's that rear foot that counts here, and it's on the LoS.

100% agree. Same as out of bounds, if there is one foot in you are good.

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 06, 2024, 04:23:31 AMAs for Lucky he may be in Wpg. but he hasn't been signed yet.

He is here so I am sure he is signed, just not announced yet.  (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRvpTXjaMAA5lK6?format=jpg&name=medium)

By now I thought it was a well established practice to slide early or do not slide at all. Once you slide you've given up the ability to protect yourself. A penalty after the fact is never going to be good enough. We've seen this umpteen times.

Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2024, 01:46:45 PM100% agree. Same as out of bounds, if there is one foot in you are good.

You guys got it backwards. If the passers FRONT foot crosses the LOS, he is deemed over the LOS and hence the illegal forward pass is called. Backfoot has nothing to do with it. Same for out of bounds. If your one foot steps out of bounds but you have one foot in bounds you're out of bounds.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 02:50:27 PMYou guys got it backwards. If the passers FRONT foot crosses the LOS, he is deemed over the LOS and hence the illegal forward pass is called. Backfoot has nothing to do with it. Same for out of bounds. If your one foot steps out of bounds but you have one foot in bounds you're out of bounds.

I think we do agree.

Sidelines: One foot in BEFORE one out.

Passing: One foot behind line of scrimmage BEFORE one beyond.

Strev's front foot doesn't come down before the ball is out. It's legal since his only contact with the field is the back one, which is behind the line of scrimmage. What happens in the air means nothing.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 02:50:27 PMYou guys got it backwards. If the passers FRONT foot crosses the LOS, he is deemed over the LOS and hence the illegal forward pass is called. Backfoot has nothing to do with it. Same for out of bounds. If your one foot steps out of bounds but you have one foot in bounds you're out of bounds.

I don't think that's the case if the thrower is airborne is it?  I believe it's the back foot that counts.   

Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2024, 02:00:12 PMHe is here so I am sure he is signed, just not announced yet.  (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRvpTXjaMAA5lK6?format=jpg&name=medium)

Sounded like O'Shea wanted to evaluate him first before signing him, probably want to know where he's at mentally and if he will accept being a temporary fill in.

Our running game won it for us. Well that and the Kramdi hit that took their QB out of the game. Gotta agree with DD and Baker. Kramdi should have been thrown out for intent to injure.

Not sure why they didn't call the hit on Strev right away. It was pretty obvious. At least they finally got it right.

Throw a player after he's out of bounds = penalty.

Beating Ottawa doesn't = middle of the pack team. It = fighting for the last playoff spot. Ottawa has only beaten Hamilton and us.

I think Strev was over the LOS twice, but he certainly wasn't 2 yards over. The angle that Tech No shows isn't very good for figuring out where the foot is. You'd have to rotate the view to make it along the line to be able to see it properly.

I think it was a forward pass, not a lateral, but I'll take that call thank you very much.

Castillo was money. Bombing them from the 50's.

Its a good thing that Strev can run, cuz his passing ain't gonna worry any team. (13/21 for 127)

Another week without a TD pass. That's 4 outta 5.

Collaros looked pissed on the sidelines. Caught on camera walking away from MOS in the second half.

Ugly wins count the same a pretty wins, and we really needed to get that Gorilla off of our back.

Was in the stands last night, and Lucky came up the stairs in the next section just before the end of the game.  Everyone was pointing.  Certainly looked like him, he headed towards the Pinnacle Club, but I didn't see him in there after the game.

The Kramdi hit was a penalty. I didn't feel there was any intent anymore than the hit on Streveler. Suggesting either should have been disqualified is ridiculous. I doubt either results in a fine.

However Bombers still taking too many penalties, most are procedural issues that can be corrected.

I watched the game again this morning. I don't know if Collaros will be back next week. Streveler can't play many games like that before he ends up injured. He was in pain early but sucked it up and played like a warrior.

Bond got hurt but it might just have been a stinger? At least I hope he doesn't miss any games. He's been a good surprise.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2024, 03:59:56 PMThe Kramdi hit was a penalty. I didn't feel there was any intent anymore than the hit on Streveler. Suggesting either should have been disqualified is ridiculous. I doubt either results in a fine.

However Bombers still taking too many penalties, most are procedural issues that can be corrected.

I watched the game again this morning. I don't know if Collaros will be back next week. Streveler can't play many games like that before he ends up injured. He was in pain early but sucked it up and played like a warrior.

Bond got hurt but it might just have been a stinger? At least I hope he doesn't miss any games. He's been a good surprise.

Kramdi was bang bang, no helmet to helmet, just an unfortunate circumstance of angles and how his head moved with the hit.  Not sure that the elbow was chicken winged out to make the hit, or as part of his slide to protect himself un falling. 

The Streveler spear was leading with the helmet, and the helmet to helmet contact led to a helmet to turf contact.  I won't say that it was a retribution for the Brown hit, but it sure looked like it was retribution for the Brown hit.  Just seems like Streveler has a different brain set up.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2024, 03:59:56 PMThe Kramdi hit was a penalty. I didn't feel there was any intent anymore than the hit on Streveler. Suggesting either should have been disqualified is ridiculous. I doubt either results in a fine.

However Bombers still taking too many penalties, most are procedural issues that can be corrected.

I watched the game again this morning. I don't know if Collaros will be back next week. Streveler can't play many games like that before he ends up injured. He was in pain early but sucked it up and played like a warrior.

Bond got hurt but it might just have been a stinger? At least I hope he doesn't miss any games. He's been a good surprise.

Look in the rule book, under targeting, forcible contact to the head by forearm is a 25 yd penalty and game misconduct penalty. Refs need to enforce the obvious especially on a player sliding giving himself up, he's totally defenseless to cheap,shots like this. The shot on streveller was even more obvious, players are sliding , they're down, there isn't any need for contact. It's like when a player takes a knee in the end zone, nobody drills him, why can't they do that for a sliding Qb. And I get it's a play in motion and a bang bang play, but when a bang bang play involves an extended forearm to the head that knocks the players helmet off that is intent to injure and that's 25 yds everyday

Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 04:33:55 PMKramdi was bang bang, no helmet to helmet, just an unfortunate circumstance of angles and how his head moved with the hit.  Not sure that the elbow was chicken winged out to make the hit, or as part of his slide to protect himself un falling. 

The Streveler spear was leading with the helmet, and the helmet to helmet contact led to a helmet to turf contact.  I won't say that it was a retribution for the Brown hit, but it sure looked like it was retribution for the Brown hit.  Just seems like Streveler has a different brain set up.

Partially comes down to not wearing protective gear in the way it was designed for, ever see Strev's helmet pop off upon contact?  He'd lose it 30 times a game if he wore it as loose and comfy as Brown does.

Ottawa had no answer for, is it Bo carrying the ball, no wait it's Streveler bouncing it to the outside, and vice versa. Having two heavy RBs has got to be a ***** to try to defend against and I think we saw that last night. Now mix in Zach and I think you really have something there. Establish the running game with BO and Strev and have Zach throw some dimes deep and D's will be ripping their hair out! Just imagine a three pointed attack like that. Mix in some screens and flea-flickers and man, we'd be unstoppable. I hope Buck is thinking along the same lines and as we get healthy again it can only be positive.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2024, 03:18:25 PMOur running game won it for us. Well that and the Kramdi hit that took their QB out of the game. Gotta agree with DD and Baker. Kramdi should have been thrown out for intent to injure.

Kramdi said after the game that he likes Dru, he was a old team mate, and that he'd never try to injure him intentionally. He said the game happens so fast and that play was a bang bang play. He didn't Simoni Lawrence him and there was no spearing. Sounded pretty sincere.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2024, 03:18:25 PMNot sure why they didn't call the hit on Strev right away. It was pretty obvious. At least they finally got it right.

Strev has been abused by opposing players so many times with dirty crap and the ref never gives him the call. Strev has chewed out many refs in the past and that probably works against him. You're right, it was obvious and needs to be called. These officials seemed to have it out for us for some reason.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2024, 03:18:25 PMCollaros looked pissed on the sidelines. Caught on camera walking away from MOS in the second half.

Really? Well Zach wants to play, he's a competitor and a warrior. He wants to contribute to this team's winning and I'm glad he has that passion. We need him at 100% though and his health is too important to risk.

Winning this game the way we did with a dominant physical performance is going to do wonders for everyone's confidence. That OL was blowing people up and opening some nice holes for Strev and Brady. That's going to take a lot of heat off Zach when he comes back. Teams aren't going to be able to just go after him the way they have been or we'll shred them with this running attack. Good news all around.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 04:42:18 PMLook in the rule book, under targeting, forcible contact to the head by forearm is a 25 yd penalty and game misconduct penalty. Refs need to enforce the obvious especially on a player sliding giving himself up, he's totally defenseless to cheap,shots like this. The shot on streveller was even more obvious, players are sliding , they're down, there isn't any need for contact. It's like when a player takes a knee in the end zone, nobody drills him, why can't they do that for a sliding Qb. And I get it's a play in motion and a bang bang play, but when a bang bang play involves an extended forearm to the head that knocks the players helmet off that is intent to injure and that's 25 yds everyday

You don't know the definition of forcible contact. Penalty yes because Kramdi came in contact with Brown's head. The rest is just in your head. Again.

I watched the Kramdi hit live, and then a bunch of times when i got home. 

I can't see there being even a hint of "intent to injure" or "targeting, forcible contact to the head by forearm".

Dru wears his helmet loose, Kramdi was going in for the hit, and pulled up when he slid.  He did contact Dru and the lid popped off, but it did not seem to me that he was going for the head, targeting or doing anything intentional.  Now, in the NHL, if your stick hits a guy in the head, you go to the box, whether you intended it to or not.  You have to be in control of your stick.  Likewise, a tackler has to ensure he doesn't hit an opponents head, accidentally or on purpose.

Yes, it was a penalty.  Yes, it will result in a fine.  But no, it was no where near as bad as the hit on Streveler, spearing with the helmet and forcing the victims head to the turf.  That should have been an ejection and should carry max fine, even though Streveler was not hurt, and Dru was.

Its the infraction that is judged, not the result.

Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 04:33:55 PMKramdi was bang bang, no helmet to helmet, just an unfortunate circumstance of angles and how his head moved with the hit.  Not sure that the elbow was chicken winged out to make the hit, or as part of his slide to protect himself un falling. 

The Streveler spear was leading with the helmet, and the helmet to helmet contact led to a helmet to turf contact.  I won't say that it was a retribution for the Brown hit, but it sure looked like it was retribution for the Brown hit.  Just seems like Streveler has a different brain set up.

The hits were nearly identical and deserved the same penalty. You can't possible excuse our player saying it was unintentional and the other team's was intentional. That's some nonsense.

Exactly, in both plays the offending player went out of his way to make contact with the head, that's a foul, there's no denying or defending it, the tape shows what it shows

Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 07:59:03 PMI watched the Kramdi hit live, and then a bunch of times when i got home. 

I can't see there being even a hint of "intent to injure" or "targeting, forcible contact to the head by forearm".

Dru wears his helmet loose, Kramdi was going in for the hit, and pulled up when he slid.  He did contact Dru and the lid popped off, but it did not seem to me that he was going for the head, targeting or doing anything intentional.  Now, in the NHL, if your stick hits a guy in the head, you go to the box, whether you intended it to or not.  You have to be in control of your stick.  Likewise, a tackler has to ensure he doesn't hit an opponents head, accidentally or on purpose.

Yes, it was a penalty.  Yes, it will result in a fine.  But no, it was no where near as bad as the hit on Streveler, spearing with the helmet and forcing the victims head to the turf.  That should have been an ejection and should carry max fine, even though Streveler was not hurt, and Dru was.

Its the infraction that is judged, not the result.

If you watch it several more times today you can almost see Kramdi levitate over Brown and then Brown jumping up and targeting Kramdi's arm with his helmet/neck. If anything, Brown was the reckless one and Kramdi is lucky to avoid a season ending arm injury. Right?

It was a brutal tackle. It happens. No need for mental gymnastics.

Yes, he should have also got a delay of game penalty for laying on the field faking a head injury. Some guys will do anything to draw a penalty!!

Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2024, 02:13:21 PMBy now I thought it was a well established practice to slide early or do not slide at all. Once you slide you've given up the ability to protect yourself. A penalty after the fact is never going to be good enough. We've seen this umpteen times.

Yes, the slide was late by the normal precedent set.  Remember the guy taking Zach's head off in 2019 or 2021?  Zach slid even sooner and they let that guy take his head off.  That was the first big Zach head hit and we all thought for sure at that moment he was going to be out another year with concussion, but he bounced right up.

They never called that hit.  Command didn't upgrade that hit.  No penalty was ever issued.  I don't recall if any fine was doled out.

AFAIK they have not changed the rulebook or sliding standards since then.

If Dru wants full protection there, he needs to slide sooner than when Kramdi is 2 yards away laterally.  There is a limit to how quickly Kramdi's brain & body can react to the change from runner to slider.  Once Kramdi leans into the tackle/hit, he is committed.

Quote from: Waffler on July 06, 2024, 03:03:16 PMStrev's front foot doesn't come down before the ball is out. It's legal since his only contact with the field is the back one, which is behind the line of scrimmage. What happens in the air means nothing.

One of these threads someone posted the actual rule in question.  One foot has to be behind LoS, that's it.

Whether the QB jumps or has 1 foot down or 2 feet down is completely irrelevant.  They can be (and often are) fully in the air when they release the ball, and that's perfectly fine.  They do the little jump on purpose to get that trailing foot as far back as possible.

Too many people are getting confused with the old (pre-2019?) rule, and also conflating with sideline catch toe-tap rules, which aren't relevant here.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2024, 03:18:25 PMI think Strev was over the LOS twice, but he certainly wasn't 2 yards over. The angle that Tech No shows isn't very good for figuring out where the foot is. You'd have to rotate the view to make it along the line to be able to see it properly.

Hey, my pic is great!  :D  :D  If you watch it live, or if I showed the previous frame, you'd see his back foot had just left the ground and was maybe 1-2 inches up.  The front is off the ground, too.

You can fix the "angles" problem by just drawing a line straight down from the toe or heel to the ground and comparing with the white yard-marker line.  The toe is basically right above the leading edge of the white line.  The heel is well back.  The ball snapped midway along that line.  So he's behind the LoS.

Quote from: TBURGESS on July 06, 2024, 03:18:25 PMCollaros looked pissed on the sidelines. Caught on camera walking away from MOS in the second half.

Didn't see that!  Will check (have a specific clock time to focus on?).  Lots of reasons he may have been miffed, though.  Strev showing him up by winning the game! LOL, how dare he!  Like Nichols sitting on the sidelines in the last game of 2019 reg season...? (Kidding, I'm sure that wasn't it)

Quote from: theaardvark on July 06, 2024, 04:33:55 PMI won't say that it was a retribution for the Brown hit, but it sure looked like it was retribution for the Brown hit.  Just seems like Streveler has a different brain set up.

I think it was 100% retribution, and fully agree with Doug Brown on the post-game show.  And Doug Brown knows because I bet he dealt out a bunch of revenge on-field in his day... he knows what those pro-hitters are thinking after their QB is taken out.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 04:42:18 PMLook in the rule book, under targeting, forcible contact to the head by forearm is a 25 yd penalty and game misconduct penalty.

There is no instance of the word "targeting" in the 2024 rulebook.  I also see no mention of the word forearm in the relevant sections.  In fact, I can't find anything related to anything other than helmet contact.  If someone can find otherwise, let me know.

So if the Kramdi hit is a penalty, it has to be a general, nonspecific "RTP" or "UR" call... which is what the refs did: RTP.

Quote from: dd on July 06, 2024, 09:53:31 PMYes, he should have also got a delay of game penalty for laying on the field faking a head injury. Some guys will do anything to draw a penalty!!

Yuk yuk.  You jest, but I have seen QBs do the ol' writhe & flail & embellish and ham it up routine.  No, Dru didn't do this.  Yes, Dru was genuinely injured.  But don't pretend QBs never ham it up (cough cough Cody).

Think Jerry McGuire.

If you're a QB and you take a hit that seems like it might "look big", why not writhe?

If you writhe you gain all of the following:
a) more likely to get a nice juicy 15Y flag to bail you out;
b) D thinks you are wounded/weakened and unlikely to run

And the only cost is either 1) nothing if you writhe only for a short time and tell the refs you're ok, or 2) sitting out 3 plays, and it may have been 2nd down and a failed 2nd down conversion anyhow (i.e. also equals nothing).

Cody used to really like to do (b) in SSK.  He'd act all beaten up then go for a big run on the next snap or two.  Always looked perfectly fine on the sidelines when he thought no one was looking anymore.  (To be fair, I have not seen Cody writhe much in MTL.  So his writhing may have been at the request of the semi-corrupt SSK braintrust.)

I don't think Brown was faking his injury. It forced him out of the game and that would be the last thing any player wants.

They were testing his head and neck movement and there may have been some caution regarding any concussion issue.

I hope he's ok. Not just because he's an ex Bomber but he seems to be a popular player with his team mates.

The CFL needs up and coming players like him.

Quote from: Jesse on July 06, 2024, 08:32:46 PMThe hits were nearly identical and deserved the same penalty. You can't possible excuse our player saying it was unintentional and the other team's was intentional. That's some nonsense.

Nearly identical?  They couldn't possibly be more different.

Kramdi was a hit coming at 90 degrees to the direction the QB was sliding in, and he went across the path, stiking the head so that it twisted the neck and removed the helmet.  Kramdi was in the process of lining up the tackle when the QB slid, and his motion was an extension of that..  he should have pulled up or diverted, but made contact with the head unnecessarily.

Harris speared an immobilized QB head on.  Helmet first.  Vulnerable target, he lowered his helemt and drove into Streveler, striking his head.

Completely different plays.

Kramdi should have avoided contact with a QB in a slide.  Harris should never have launched into a QB whose forward motion was halted and was unable to defend himself.

Both are penalies, both are fines, for sure.  But other than that, no similarity.  Plus, Kramdi's was bang bang and unintentional, wherear it sure looks like Harris was intentional head hunting retribution for Kramdi's hit.

For the video watchers...in the first half when we are driving and it's second and short, Strev is going to throw it...from the stands I thought he had demski open for a TD...seems like Zach thought the same thing, waaay in the background on the sidelines he throws up the TD signal then Strev doesn't throw and he touches the top of his head. 

Go find it Techo - if you can.

Quote from: The Zipp on July 08, 2024, 12:11:11 AMGo find it Techo - if you can.

Sure!  2Q6:01  Zach is the guy in the black tee with the white W to the left of Strev.  Sorry for the blurriness.

We get no replay or view of Demski or all-24 on this one, so we only have our memories at the game.  I thought Demski was decently covered, but he may have had a couple of yards on his guy, meaning if Strev could chuck a 50Y ball and hit him in stride he might have had it... that's a big if since we know Strev isn't Zach.

I do like the idea of Buck letting Strev take the free play on 2nd & 1.  We haven't done that all season.  Heck, I don't think we did that all last season either!

Ya, so when Strev doesn't take the shot Zach does the awkward "ah I was just stretching" hands clasped behind the head thing.  ;D  ;D

(https://fsi.ca/tec/zachsaystd.jpg)

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 08, 2024, 01:35:04 AMSure!  2Q6:01  Zach is the guy in the black tee with the white W to the left of Strev.  Sorry for the blurriness.

We get no replay or view of Demski or all-24 on this one, so we only have our memories at the game.  I thought Demski was decently covered, but he may have had a couple of yards on his guy, meaning if Strev could chuck a 50Y ball and hit him in stride he might have had it... that's a big if since we know Strev isn't Zach.

I do like the idea of Buck letting Strev take the free play on 2nd & 1.  We haven't done that all season.  Heck, I don't think we did that all last season either!

Ya, so when Strev doesn't take the shot Zach does the awkward "ah I was just stretching" hands clasped behind the head thing.  ;D  ;D

(https://fsi.ca/tec/zachsaystd.jpg)

So the play worked exactly as it should have and Strev flubbed it, lol.

Quote from: Jesse on July 08, 2024, 01:36:29 PMSo the play worked exactly as it should have and Strev flubbed it, lol.

If by "flub" you mean saw what the layout was and decided against throwing it, sure.  He was staring straight at it, and it was the only read... so something in his head must have said "no!".  Now, whether he was right or not, that's for all of us @PAS who had a quick 2 sec glance to try to work out...  So far it seems 2 think Demski was clear, I think he was somewhat covered.  Certainly he wasn't uncovered and miles away from the D...

Also, what is "open enough" to Zach might not be "open enough" to Strev... Zach probably trusts his receivers more.  Plus Zach doesn't mind taking INTs.  Strev may be cautious, especially when we all knew going into this game rule #1 must be "no turnovers".

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 09, 2024, 03:49:06 AMAlso, what is "open enough" to Zach might not be "open enough" to Strev...

When Zach is in the zone he is a terrific passer and can do it in the pocket, rolling right or left. Strev is an entirely different animal and that is why he compliments Zach so well. When either one of them is at their best they are extremely hard to defend.

Quote from: Blue In BC on July 06, 2024, 03:41:25 AMI can't seem to get into the stats to take a look at the moment. I was curious how many running plays Bo had and how many Streveler had.

Go to gamezone.cfl.ca and sign up and use their stats (in the fantasy area).  They are updated in real-time and are extremely reliable.  If you click on a player's name you get the details, not just the fantasy points.

Quote from: Pigskin on July 06, 2024, 04:08:15 AMAnybody watching at home hear why we got 15 yards, and they only got 10 on those roughing penalties.

Clercius was holding onto his D guy in a blocking stance waaaay after the whistle, and kind of shaking him around.  General stuff we often see in the CFL.  (There was a replay after, and the live shot shows it clearly as well, as they are right near the ball/pile.)

Then the OTT guy takes a shot at his head.  Not a hard hit, but a push/brush on the helmet for sure.  Clercius never goes for the OTT head.

I think the refs got it backwards.  Even though Clercius was definitely the instigator, the head-swipe should get the 15.  Clercius wasn't being rough, he was being a douche.  The other guy was a bit "rough" only because of the head shot.

Clearly, and gamenotes should back this up, refs thought WPG did UR and OTT did OC.  Which is funny, because I think it was the other way around.  Surely command must have looked at it, though, to make sure it was done right?  I'm not sure I've ever seen an offsetting UR/OC like that where one was 10 the other 15.

Or maybe refs were biased and trying to help OTT out.  That was really OTT's last shot at a crumback.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 10, 2024, 10:52:09 AMOr maybe refs were biased and trying to help OTT out.  That was really OTT's last shot at a crumback.

Whichever it was I don't expect to get any help from the officials at any point this year. The Bombers have been perceived as a bully for a number of years now and in many minds it's payback time. For example, when we sufferd that rash of terrible injuries to many of our starters I heard little to no sympathy from anyone. The one case that deserves props is our game with BC. They handled themselves with some class and I'll give them credit for that.

Quote from: J5V on July 10, 2024, 10:15:24 PMWhichever it was I don't expect to get any help from the officials at any point this year.

Might depend on the ref unit.  I like how MOS kept his challenge in his pocket the entire game vs OTT.  You need to hang onto it until the 4th in order to keep all the refs honest.  The only way I'd challenge before the 4th is if it was so egregious and obvious that even the opponent team fans think it should be overturned.

Watching again and focusing on Strev's passing.  I just noticed he has an incredibly quick wind-up and release.  Like maybe faster than Rourke and VAJ: the fastest winders the CFL has seen recently.

Strev's whole motion is so unique and wacky that you might not always notice.  But watch how he does it.  See 1Q7:29.  I wouldn't say he has the most ball-zip or strength, but the whole throwing process is insanely fast.

Maybe it's because he doesn't really wind it far back like a traditional passer like Zach does?  Strev kind of just half-winds and lets 'er rip.

Anyhow, I point this out because fast-wind fast-release QBs seem to be much harder for CFL Ds to deal with.  It gives the DBs far less time to react to get in position: especially in zone.  If gives the FS far less time to figure out the direction to go.  The downside is it may be harder to be accurate, and super deep.

Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 11, 2024, 04:54:37 AMWatching again and focusing on Strev's passing.  I just noticed he has an incredibly quick wind-up and release.  Like maybe faster than Rourke and VAJ: the fastest winders the CFL has seen recently.

Strev's whole motion is so unique and wacky that you might not always notice.  But watch how he does it.  See 1Q7:29.  I wouldn't say he has the most ball-zip or strength, but the whole throwing process is insanely fast.

Maybe it's because he doesn't really wind it far back like a traditional passer like Zach does?  Strev kind of just half-winds and lets 'er rip.

Anyhow, I point this out because fast-wind fast-release QBs seem to be much harder for CFL Ds to deal with.  It gives the DBs far less time to react to get in position: especially in zone.  If gives the FS far less time to figure out the direction to go.  The downside is it may be harder to be accurate, and super deep.

Interesting observation. That could explain why he got flagged for throwing when he was past the LOS when he wasn't. I think it makes a running QB especially dangerous if they can run towards the LOS and quickly get the ball thrown before crossing. Osh should have challenged that.