No practice today. Big question is, will ZC8 be ready for Friday nights game.
I think he'll be ready to play. I don't know if the " rope " is getting shorter. IMO it shouldn't be but there is some panic among several posters. What the coaches think we'll see on Friday.
Just a guess but Alston probably gets activated in place of Johnson. Oliveria gets his 1st 100 yard rushing game this week.
Bombers win or lose based on our run game.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2024, 05:14:40 PMI think he'll be ready to play. I don't know if the " rope " is getting shorter. IMO it shouldn't be but there is some panic among several posters. What the coaches think we'll see on Friday.
Just a guess but Alston probably gets activated in place of Johnson. Oliveria gets his 1st 100 yard rushing game this week.
Bombers win or lose based on our run game.
With the Bombers signing Lucky and placing Kody Case back on the PR, there might be a couple of receivers packing there bags.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2024, 05:14:40 PMI think he'll be ready to play. I don't know if the " rope " is getting shorter. IMO it shouldn't be but there is some panic among several posters. What the coaches think we'll see on Friday.
Just a guess but Alston probably gets activated in place of Johnson. Oliveria gets his 1st 100 yard rushing game this week.
Bombers win or lose based on our run game.
Agree ready to go.
Agree no rope
Agree on panic
Agree on Alston
Sure hope you are right on Brady, Agree if he is healthy
I see a pick 6 coming, maybe for Ford?
Quote from: Pigskin on July 01, 2024, 05:44:55 PMWith the Bombers signing Lucky and placing Kody Case back on the PR, there might be a couple of receivers packing there bags.
If we did sign Whitehead then we've added 2 players to the roster. Wheatfall was moved to 6 game IR last week. The math says something has to give. It isn't a good business decision to " hide " a rookie on the 1 game IR for an extended time. I'm not aware of any new injuries.
That suggests we need to shuffle the PR around. Thinking in terms of FIFO, that suggests Johnson and Mitchell as the most likely candidates to be released. The other feeling is that Alston and Case were the depth behind Lawler.
Mitchell seemed to only be a returner candidate due to Smith injury earlier.
That said, O. Wilson hasn't exactly lit it up so I wouldn't say he's safe either.
LOL. I'm hedging my bets.
Either way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open and could Catch.
Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.
Quote from: DM83 on July 01, 2024, 08:12:24 PMEither way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open and could Catch.
Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.
Simplistic statements that mean absolutely nothing. For example, expecting Zach to perform as he did last year with the player turnover and injuries on offence in particular is unreasonable. And who is ___________?
Quote from: DM83 on July 01, 2024, 08:12:24 PMEither way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open and could Catch.
Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.
In case you didn't notice:
1. Lawler wasn't able to complete his 1st game of the season.
2. Whitefall wasn't able to complete his 2nd game of the season.
3. Johnson played his 1st game on the weekend.
4. Schoen wasn't able to complete his 3rd game of the season.
5. Clercius is a rookie
6. Oliveria missed the 1st game. He was limited in his 2nd game. In his 3rd game he was getting back to healthy.
7. Two changes on our OL since 2023.
Now if you want to blame all of that on Collaros, that's your opinion. I don't think you'll get a majority agreeing with you. Try posting something positive about some part of the team.
You might want to re-watch the game and look at all the grounders that Streveler tossed up. He also tossed up the game losing int in OT.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 01, 2024, 09:08:42 PMIn case you didn't notice:
1. Lawler wasn't able to complete his 1st game of the season.
2. Whitefall wasn't able to complete his 2nd game of the season.
3. Johnson played his 1st game on the weekend.
4. Schoen wasn't able to complete his 3rd game of the season.
5. Clercius is a rookie
6. Oliveria missed the 1st game. He was limited in his 2nd game. In his 3rd game he was getting back to healthy.
7. Two changes on our OL since 2023.
Now if you want to blame all of that on Collaros, that's your opinion. I don't think you'll get a majority agreeing with you. Try posting something positive about some part of the team.
You might want to re-watch the game and look at all the grounders that Streveler tossed up. He also tossed up the game losing int in OT.
No, BO20 was limited in the 1st. game and missed the second one.
Quote from: Pigskin on July 01, 2024, 09:15:46 PMNo, BO20 was limited in the 1st. game and missed the second one.
Fair enough but still makes the point that he missed most of TC and pre season. It's not even clear whether he's back to 100%. It's unlikely he's back to game speed or conditioning.
Cumulatively we haven't had our starters, at once all healthy and read to play for long.
No disagreement that Collaros has not looked good, but it's not as simple as him being the only issue.
Quote from: DM83 on July 01, 2024, 08:12:24 PMEither way you cut it
Winnipeg has the poorest rated QB.zac is headed for the retirement list.
We were all surprised by the receivers once we had a Quarterback with an arm, actually were able and open and could Catch.
Lt guard should be improved.
How does Kramdi remain a starter.
How long does____________ remain a starter on defence.
Just like pre dynasty you continue your trend making bold statements that rarely hold up, are difficult understand and often don't contribute to the discussion.
Zach has struggled and as others point out there is more at play here. Zach isn't headed to retirement anytime soon.
Kramdi is a work in progress and will start all year. His development time will pay off.
Patience will pay off. Get healthy and we will be ok. Won't be easy but we can grind out a reasonable season still. He have some good talent left, a few good new faces and a rock solid core of coaches / management.
Let's focus the discussion on the task at hand, how we beat Ottawa.
My receipe is:
1. Establish the run and stick with it
2. Stretch the field a bit
3. Get pressure and give Brown a lot of different looks
4. Be agreesive on D as needed
5. If Zach plays mix in a little more Strev as to limit further injury
6. Give the faces on O some touches
I am anticipating Ottawa comes out and stacks the box in an attempt to stop the run and force us to pass-which hasn't been our strong suit so far.
So you can say we re going to run the ball until they stop the run and force a bunch of 2 and outs and then the boo birds will be howling!!!
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2024, 11:39:25 PMI am anticipating Ottawa comes out and stacks the box in an attempt to stop the run and force us to pass-which hasn't been our strong suit so far.
So you can say we re going to run the ball until they stop the run and force a bunch of 2 and outs and then the boo birds will be howling!!!
The run game has been our strength and opponents know that. It's no surprise they stack the box and we see that often and in particular early in games.
Depending on our field position in our 1st possession, I'm suggesting a 20+ yard pass to the wide side, preferably to the left. Even if it doesn't work, it plants the seed.
Running up the gut for 2 yards and then getting sacked on 2nd down is part of our slow starts.
I have a sixth sense the Bombers go on a little run now with home cooking next two games...enough "pre-season" already! ;) Zach has to find his range again and Olivera gets rumbling. Some very good signs late in the Calgary game on offence. Defence doing their best considering they are losing time of possession (unheard of in prior years) and special teams doing OK. No big returns given up at least so far. Seeing progression every week. If Streveler does not throw up a lame duck in overtime that game might still be going.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on July 02, 2024, 03:05:50 AMI have a sixth sense the Bombers go on a little run now with home cooking next two games...enough "pre-season" already! ;) Zach has to find his range again and Olivera gets rumbling. Some very good signs late in the Calgary game on offence. Defence doing their best considering they are losing time of possession (unheard of in prior years) and special teams doing OK. No big returns given up at least so far. Seeing progression every week. If Streveler does not throw up a lame duck in overtime that game might still be going.
That's how I felt last week, so hoping I was just a week too early!
I am hoping Kody Case can get into the line-up sooner then later. 5'10", 182, and has 4.44 speed, also very good hands.
The next two weeks are the season, the Bombers need to go 2-0. Lose to Ottawa and they're 4 games behind a crossover. Lose to Calgary and they're 3-4 games back from 3rd in the west (also losing the season series with Calgary).
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2024, 11:39:25 PMI am anticipating Ottawa comes out and stacks the box in an attempt to stop the run and force us to pass-which hasn't been our strong suit so far.
That would be the smart move. They can run and pass blitz at the same time and leave the DBs to fend in cover-0... The solution for the big blitz is the ol' BLM back-pedal and dump-screen over the top. Unfortunately, Zach has never been great at that... he never back-pedals enough, nor looks as worried as BLM feigns to. I really wish we could get better at that play.
Hitch screens might work too, but gotta get that ball out mega-uber-fast because the edge guy will try to jump the lane for a knockdown: something we've struggled with for 1.2 seasons now.
Quote from: dd on July 01, 2024, 11:39:25 PMSo you can say we re going to run the ball until they stop the run and force a bunch of 2 and outs and then the boo birds will be howling!!!
I expect boo birds to come out
immediately if our first series is an ugly 2&out like last home game (bad hand-off to Johnny). Basically, and really ugly rookie-QB-level play by Zach will get people riled up real fast.
As for us, I hope no one here boos the team. Y'all know about my booing your team theories! Football is 30% morale, and if we boo them their morale goes to 0% and we have a 30% less chance to win. In no case has booing your own team ever led to them playing
better that day. Maybe next week... but never that day.
Riderfans forum often would say about Zach that he'd look like a normal or bad QB if WPG's OL wasn't as good. They point to Zach performance in SSK and his last season in HAM.
I think they are right. Zach is elite when given a great OL, but clearly starts to regress to less-than-average when faced with unending pressure. It's because he thrives when we are dictating his pocket position and roll-outs. If the other team is dictating them, he's much weaker than the young/mobile QBs that are dominating the league right now.
The solution isn't to get rid of Zach, or blame him for everything. The solution is to do whatever we need to do to solve the, frankly, crap OL performance he has had to live with the last couple of weeks.
If you cut Zach (which we can't do, but just pretend), he'll just get picked up by another team that has or obtains a great OL and Zach will be back to 118 QB rating and we'll be crying.
We've started solving the WR personnel issue, and I expect we'll do more. We now have to turn our attention to the OL issues. WFC is grading those guys out all the time... they know who the weak link(s) are. Make the hard choices and find solutions. If we have to plug&play in a Bond, do it. If we need a new NAT or IMP C, do it. RT? Do it. LG? Do it. I don't care what it is, throw away the lowest grade guy (or PR) and bring in a real solution.
I don't care if plugging in new OL makes us lose 5 games, as long as the guy is legit and will help us win the remaining 9... because we're going to lose the next 5 games anyhow AND the remaining 9. Something has to be done.
At this moment our OL is bottom-3 in the CFL. Maybe even the actual bottom-1.
And so the $600k QB plays as well as a $250k one, mostly because he has no protection.
In all my 60 plus years following sports and being a fan, I have never verbally booed the team I'm cheering for. I always figured when the going gets tough, that's when they need you the most so how could you possibly boo them then turn around and cheer for them?? Didn't make much sense to me.
I am hoping this is the game they pull out of their funk and move the ball and score some points. We score points and we ll be ok, if we don't, gonna be a long night at PAS
Quote from: TecnoGenius on July 02, 2024, 04:37:16 AMRiderfans forum often would say about Zach that he'd look like a normal or bad QB if WPG's OL wasn't as good. They point to Zach performance in SSK and his last season in HAM.
Zach is on record as feeling hamstrung by their short pass offense. The same one Fajardo ran. They didn't use him right.
Zach's best moments seem to come from the broken play / scramble mode. This was amplified by Schoen's synergy with him in scramble drill.
When scramble mode becomes every down, and you don't have Schoen, well...
Love what Zach has given us, but this is what have you done for me lately time. He needs to get his game on lockdown and put the team on his shoulders. By the end of next year, when the GC rolls around, I really hope we aren't looking towards Ottawa and wondering "What if".
Quote from: theaardvark on July 02, 2024, 03:22:47 PMZach's best moments seem to come from the broken play / scramble mode. This was amplified by Schoen's synergy with him in scramble drill.
When scramble mode becomes every down, and you don't have Schoen, well...
Love what Zach has given us, but this is what have you done for me lately time. He needs to get his game on lockdown and put the team on his shoulders. By the end of next year, when the GC rolls around, I really hope we aren't looking towards Ottawa and wondering "What if".
Teams have learned to defend against Zach's preferred method of attack, he either learns to adapt and becomes more of a drop back pocket passer like Matt Nichols or it's over for him. Bombers are looking down the barrel of a rifle in regard to their future and I don't think Strev. is the answer.
Millanovic has "fixed" Bo's issues. Time for Buck to look at Bo pre and post Millanovic and figure out how to do the same for Zach.
Anyone at practice? Who is lining up with # 1 offence at receiver?
Still nothing official about signing Whitehead.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2024, 05:10:41 PMAnyone at practice? Who is lining up with # 1 offence at receiver?
Still nothing official about signing Whitehead.
Only thing that's come out so far is that Collaros is not practicing today.
Quote from: Jesse on July 02, 2024, 05:28:16 PMOnly thing that's come out so far is that Collaros is not practicing today.
Bruised ribs I suppose. Every week it's a question about whether this player or that player will dress for the game. So much for transparency.
The other site mentioned that Garbutt is back practising today. I thought he couldn't start until after game 5 on the 6 game IR? Either way, I doubt anyone comes off 6 game IR early.
Chris-Ike added to AR roster and Bridges moved to PR. That's another curious move ratio wise. I thought there was a chance a receiver might be added offsetting another moved to PR from AR.
Not quite sure what this means especially in light of Holm listed as DNP today. Murphy also listed as DNP. I wonder if Chris-Ike is just a swap in of a Canadian with Murphy going to 1 game IR or PR?
Noah Hallett and Garbutt both back to full practice on 6 game IR.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 02, 2024, 10:40:47 PMChris-Ike added to AR roster and Bridges moved to PR. That's another curious move ratio wise. I thought there was a chance a receiver might be added offsetting another moved to PR from AR.
Not quite sure what this means especially in light of Holm listed as DNP today. Murphy also listed as DNP. I wonder if Chris-Ike is just a swap in of a Canadian with Murphy going to 1 game IR or PR?
Noah Hallett and Garbutt both back to full practice on 6 game IR.
I don't know why you get so hung up on roster moves prior to game day. They mean very little usually and sometimes are for entirely different reasons other than who will play or who will start.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 02, 2024, 03:55:11 PMMillanovic has "fixed" Bo's issues. Time for Buck to look at Bo pre and post Millanovic and figure out how to do the same for Zach.
Stoll the TI-Cats are not winning any more games then us. ;)
Quote from: Pigskin on July 02, 2024, 04:13:12 AMI am hoping Kody Case can get into the line-up sooner then later. 5'10", 182, and has 4.44 speed, also very good hands.
Does it seem off that we continue to bring back wrs that we cut cause we thought others are better, and when the others aren't good enough we dont look outside our organization
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 02, 2024, 11:01:18 PMI don't know why you get so hung up on roster moves prior to game day. They mean very little usually and sometimes are for entirely different reasons other than who will play or who will start.
Movement suggests who is injured and how they are accommodating that necessity. There have also been players brought back to the PR and some on 6 game IR that might be ready to return when the 6 games are up are now practising.
Depth and health on the roster have been issues. Starting receivers may change this week. Players are being injured every game and we're trying to win.
So why wouldn't I be interested in seeing what's happening.
Collaros was listed as DNP. Is that an issue of importance to you? He may play but he also may miss this game of a couple with rib injury.
Whether Whitehead is going to join the team, when that happens and how we would use him is of interest.
I follow the team and the who, why and when's are all important.
Others are participating in the conversation. You can choose to not read posts and go have a coffee somewhere. Nobody is forcing you to respond to anything.
O'Shea said that Holm is looking real good at practice so that's a relief. Issue with Zach apparently is "thorax". Zach didn't practice so Strev is getting the reps. That's only going to help him as he develops some chemistry with the receivers which he said is happening. I share the concern for the O-line. The hogs have to figure it out and execute. Let's hope that happens.
Quote from: J5V on July 03, 2024, 12:56:40 AMO'Shea said that Holm is looking real good at practice so that's a relief. Issue with Zach apparently is "thorax". Zach didn't practice so Strev is getting the reps. That's only going to help him as he develops some chemistry with the receivers which he said is happening. I share the concern for the O-line. The hogs have to figure it out and execute. Let's hope that happens.
My son was at practice today, and said Holm did not practice today. Holm and Ford both limping. The good news, Lawler was running full sprints without his wrist brace on, but was not catching passes yet.
Closed practice Wednesday, crappy.
Quote from: J5V on July 03, 2024, 12:56:40 AMO'Shea said that Holm is looking real good at practice so that's a relief. Issue with Zach apparently is "thorax". Zach didn't practice so Strev is getting the reps. That's only going to help him as he develops some chemistry with the receivers which he said is happening. I share the concern for the O-line. The hogs have to figure it out and execute. Let's hope that happens.
If Zack is out we are dead, strev can't pass to save his soul. He's just like he was in 2019, a short yardage guy who can't reliably pass well enough to move the ball.
Ok this is the best 0-4 team in history.
Can Strev have a passing grade passing grade?
Will Brady get a hun?
Quote from: dd on July 03, 2024, 03:59:47 AMIf Zack is out we are dead, strev can't pass to save his soul. He's just like he was in 2019, a short yardage guy who can't reliably pass well enough to move the ball.
I was pretty disappointed in what Strev. showed in the last game with the great opportunity given him, he looked too much like the guy that left in 2019 who at the time was nowhere near qualified to become a starting QB. I have my fingers crossed he can do a lot more than he showed.
Need to Know - Week 5
It is a role Chris Streveler has taken on and starred in before, both in the Canadian Football League and down south. He's more than just a stop-gap fill-in and more than simply an understudy.
...And so as the Winnipeg Blue Bombers opened up their practice week on Tuesday in advance of Friday's home date with the Ottawa RedBlacks with Zach Collaros present for half of the session but not running the offence, the club may very well summon the 29-year-old Streveler from the bullpen to help lead the squad out of the 0-4 hole it has stumbled into in the first month of the season.
"Look, as a back up you're always preparing to play so that's what I'm doing this week — preparing to play," said (Chris) Streveler after Tuesday's practice. "You try to keep your process the same no matter what. That's what gives you confidence on a week-to-week basis. Obviously if you're the guy getting reps there's more conversations about those reps that are happening with coach but at the same time your film-watching process and all those conversations within the building are staying the same...."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/07/02/need-to-know-week-5/
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 02, 2024, 11:01:18 PMI don't know why you get so hung up on roster moves prior to game day. They mean very little usually and sometimes are for entirely different reasons other than who will play or who will start.
Because for BinBC hope springs eternal? We all want more transparency and injury info, but by now we should know we ain't gettin' it. Good for BinBC for not being as jaded as I am!
Quote from: dd on July 03, 2024, 03:59:47 AMIf Zack is out we are dead, strev can't pass to save his soul. He's just like he was in 2019, a short yardage guy who can't reliably pass well enough to move the ball.
I was thinking the opposite. Our OL is clearly struggling, and it makes hero Zach look like zero Zach. The very best thing for a struggling OL is a mobile bruiser QB. They can't just pin the ears and always bring 1 more than we can block, like they do with Zach.
With Strev opponents have to protect much of what they do with Zach PLUS worry about the Strev scramble or Strev designed run. They need a spy and need to worry about edge contain instead of just pass rush.
Teams saw how Strev was making lots of completions vs CGY. He can dial it in. Can't discount his short/mid game.
My point is, until we fix our OL problems, Strev might be more productive than Zach. And with Strev we don't have to always have jumbo in like we did with Zach last game. An extra receiver out never hurts.
A game vs not-so-great OTT where Strev gets #1 all week + the start would make a nice experiment. Zach's still the guy, but why risk him when he's iffy. And if he's just going to die behind a weak OL, why bother? Start Strev and start airlifting OL solutions.
However, any toying with Zach sitting should seriously get considered for the 6GIR, as the SMS savings would be massively substantial.
So, Streveler threw a TD pass (Collaros hasn't all year), scored 10 points in a quarter to take it to OT, and made a bad pass to get picked off.
Not an ideal showing for a starting QB, but for a backup coming off the bench, pretty darned good.
Will that change when he's had a full week with the #1's? With Buck setting a gameplan solely for him? I would hope so.
With all the injuries we have right now, I don't expect to win many games in the next few weeks. I do think we will get hot at some point. Maybe there's a chance to make the playoffs if we do get hot at the right time...
I was also excited to see how Kody Case would fit into the lineup after seeing him in preseason, and I was sad to see him released. I'm hoping that he does get the opportunity, however, I thought Wilson and Johnson did pretty well last game when the ball was thrown their way.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMWith Buck setting a gameplan solely for him? I would hope so.
The same Buck that ran our last remaining healthy star receiver (Demski) into the line last game? Similar to the play that hurt Grant last year. The same Buck that didn't want to put in Strev on first and goal from the 7?
Don't count on it. He strikes me as having his idea of football and it's the players that should adapt to him, not him adapting to their strengths. I predict same game plan no matter who starts.
This is pretty close to a must win game. Somebody make a play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on July 03, 2024, 03:25:38 PMThis is pretty close to a must win game. Somebody make a play.
I'd say it's absolutely a must-win game. 0-5 would be a massive hole.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMSo, Streveler threw a TD pass (Collaros hasn't all year), scored 10 points in a quarter to take it to OT, and made a bad pass to get picked off.
Not an ideal showing for a starting QB, but for a backup coming off the bench, pretty darned good.
Will that change when he's had a full week with the #1's? With Buck setting a gameplan solely for him? I would hope so.
Also backups to backups, needing more help than they can offer, and, Demski slipped on the int.
Who knows, if Demski had not slipped what would have happened. At least knock it down.
Also, they blitzed about nine guys, maybe coach should have called a time out.
He did well under the circumstances.
0-5 would be a deep hole, and dropping to that at home would be a disaster, both in the standings and at the box office.
Forget walk up crowds to see an 0-5 team. Even signing Lucky wouldn't fix that.
Ask me how to fix it? I'm not paid that kind of money... but there are guys that are being paid to do it, both on the field and sidelines.
We've seen OTT once already, we've seen Dru for 3 years, we should be able to beat them at home.
Quote from: markf on July 03, 2024, 07:27:14 PMAlso backups to backups, needing more help than they can offer, and, Demski slipped on the int.
Who knows, if Demski had not slipped what would have happened. At least knock it down.
Also, they blitzed about nine guys, maybe coach should have called a time out.
He did well under the circumstances.
Strev said his arm was contacted making that pass and it didn't go where he intended it to. Stamps brought the house on that play, Buck needed to anticipate the blitz and have a safety valve in place.
When you know they're going to bring the house,how about change the snap count to draw them offside or a simple drop back screen pass that kills all blitz's?? To think Steve is going to beat the blitz is nuts
Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMSo, Streveler threw a TD pass (Collaros hasn't all year), scored 10 points in a quarter to take it to OT, and made a bad pass to get picked off.
Not an ideal showing for a starting QB, but for a backup coming off the bench, pretty darned good.
Will that change when he's had a full week with the #1's? With Buck setting a gameplan solely for him? I would hope so.
At this point and for this game, I think Strev gives us the best chance to win. IMHO something has been off with Zach since late last year including the West Final and Grey Cup. He seems very indecisive (holding onto the ball too long) afraid to stand, deliver and take a hit, and afraid to scramble ahead for positive yards.
He reminds me of Bo Levi when he started his decline and seems headed to Drew Willy territory. Not sure what's going on...but he's no where near his prior level of play as a Bomber. It is reminiscent of his play as a Roughrider...very concerning... and maybe he gets himself out of it...but I think sitting him if he's healthy enough to be the back up might be good in the long term for his health and his psyche.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMWill that change when he's had a full week with the #1's? With Buck setting a gameplan solely for him? I would hope so.
Buck's scheme changed 100% when Strev came in vs CGY. Zach was getting jumbo or super jumbo most of the time. Strev was more the normal 5 R out.
Buck will 100% change the O to match Strev, just like he was 100% changing it to match the new crap-OL + can't-escape-Zach situation.
The best of both worlds would be to "pull a MOS" and lie and say Zach is the #1 healthy guy all week (and fake it in open practice) when in reality it's all Strev this week. Heck, assuming Zach isn't too banged up, I'd chart him as starting (or at least dressing) too, then just start Strev.
Make OTT gameplan entirely around Zach, then throw Strev at them.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on July 03, 2024, 07:54:25 PMStrev said his arm was contacted making that pass and it didn't go where he intended it to. Stamps brought the house on that play, Buck needed to anticipate the blitz and have a safety valve in place.
I think he said he was hit when throwing, which he was. The arm contact part was earlier on another pass which was errant, and he got the ol' arm-on-arm whack right in the middle of the throwing motion -- which can't be good for your throwing muscles. Always looks like a looney tunes cartoon when that happens and the QB arm bounces back like "booooooooooiiiiiiiiing".
Quote from: dd on July 03, 2024, 08:29:48 PMWhen you know they're going to bring the house,how about change the snap count to draw them offside or a simple drop back screen pass that kills all blitz's?? To think Steve is going to beat the blitz is nuts
Ya except we were already getting 2-3 IPs just from the fact Strev was in there instead of Zach. We start doing hard counts and they likely double that. Besides, CGY fans were actually being loud & effective at that stage. Any cadence would likely have been drowned out.
Our daily IR report lists everyone as questionable. That includes a couple of players still on 6 game IR. They are not going to be taken off IR early so they are out period. Is that so hard to state?
Now the others, I guess we'll find out on Friday when they issue the depth chart.
No question this IS a must win.
Quote from: theaardvark on July 03, 2024, 03:14:27 PMSo, Streveler threw a TD pass (Collaros hasn't all year), scored 10 points in a quarter to take it to OT, and made a bad pass to get picked off.
I just don't buy that Zach is finished. That guy throws dimes to either corner of the end zone. He throws equally well rolling left, or right, and if given time has shown himself to be an elite QB in this league. I agree with Techno that what Zach is suffering has everything to do with the OL. If we can somehow come up with a way to solve that problem I have no doubt we'll see MVP Zach again. The guy is a surgeon and can carve up a secondary like few others.
That said, I'm a big fan of Streveler. The guy is a natural leader and he brings just the right mix of passion and ability to give opposing D's nightmares. The guy is a stud and it would be a mistake to doubt his ability to beat you with his legs or his arm! When he is in there everyone on the offense believes he can get it done and follows his lead. He is pure Bomber and we are very lucky to have him wearing blue and gold.
I love Strev s bravado, he's a bruising runner but he can't pass to save his soul. I like think it's just a matter of getting him reps but we've seen this before when he was here. I am hoping Zach can play out of his funk and strev s sticks to short yardage plays
Quote from: dd on July 04, 2024, 02:05:53 AMI love Strev s bravado, he's a bruising runner but he can't pass to save his soul.
Most of his series in relief of Zach vs CGY was passing. Except for his first 3 or so big duds, he was pretty spot on by the 4th. We didn't run much on that TD drive.
I think the duds were mostly causing by either pressure hitting him or him trying to chuck on the move. He seems to have no arm strength if he doesn't plant a foot. So plant the foot!
I'm starting to get pretty confident his passing is improved from 2019! The only question is how much improved. But it's not like he never passed and didn't win us games in 2018-2019 (as starter)!! He just wasn't great at it then. But be honest, you detractors: he was never Brohm or LeFevour level bad. He's always been a mid-level passer. Our hope now is he's an upper-mid-level passer. That can win you games!