Just finished watching the replay three times. I was shocked to see on almost every defensive play Bighill was no where to be seen. In the box he was certainly not a run stuffer. Most plays he was pushed around and was the last man to arrive at the pile
Anyone else notice it? We now also need a middle linebacker.
Isolating a player when virtually the entire team has been struggling is an exercise in futility. Bighill has been recovering from an injury as well.
Give it a rest and see what the next few weeks bring.
Quote from: DM83 on June 23, 2024, 03:59:17 AMAnyone else notice it? We now also need a middle linebacker.
Biggie was making plays in week 1 & 2. You didn't see him much in week 3 because VAJ is a gunslinger. It's not Biggie's job to be 60Y downfield.
If you want to point out a guy who is never on the scene, why not talk about Alexander? The only FS in the league who is never in the picture on a 60Y explosion.
Biggie is also very cap friendly. He's probably the most affordable vet MLB in the league.
Out of everything wrong with our D, Biggie is literally the last thing to worry about. If you see specific plays he's costing us bigtime, mark the Q & clock and post them here and we can all take a look. It's often hard to see if a specific single player is botching things if you're not focusing on him.
Just my 2c.
lol
If you are not focusing on him how can you defend him
Ok Mr. mod print up how many tackles was Biggie in on, and the number if knockdowns
When the opponent averages 6 yards a run, I would say ain't no Lime backers around. But ok I am wrong.
Quote from: DM83 on June 24, 2024, 01:15:36 AMlol
If you are not focusing on him how can you defend him
Ok Mr. mod print up how many tackles was Biggie in on, and the number if knockdowns
When the opponent averages 6 yards a run, I would say ain't no Lime backers around. But ok I am wrong.
Hard to knock down a pass near the LOS when Adams is throwing 30 yards downfield.
He's lost a step for sure, but done, no. There's a lot wrong with our defense, starting with our pass rush. Biggie brings much needed leadership to a young group that needs just that.
Are Bombers games televised? Does that Ford guy ever knock a pass down? How about our safety #37 how many plays does he make.
Well leadership might be needed for a DC has to create man to man. Every play with DBs, with ten yard cushions.Giving up five yard outs, and for scouts who brought zero capable players to camp....yeah Bighill might be better than on the field.
We should start a poll when the first victory will be?
I hate to agree with the negative nellies but if he's not done he's only a few feet from the finish line.
He's lost a few steps at this point and sometimes makes up for it with superior vision but it's not always possible.
Shouldn't have started in the Grey Cup last year and he hasn't been very effective this year.
Bighill in his prime dominated games. He literally took over for whole series. It was awesome. A premiere talent ( one of the best MLBs to wear blue and gold) that I am sure all Bombers fans are glad to have seen but father time is undefeated.
It would be grossly unfair to to say AB04 is "done" as DM83 suggests. The D has gone through, and continues to go through, more changes than usual this year with veterans moving on plus several injuries. Those facts are going to impact the defence as a whole and Bighill in particular.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2024, 06:04:27 AMBiggie was making plays in week 1 & 2. You didn't see him much in week 3 because VAJ is a gunslinger. It's not Biggie's job to be 60Y downfield.
If you want to point out a guy who is never on the scene, why not talk about Alexander? The only FS in the league who is never in the picture on a 60Y explosion.
Biggie is also very cap friendly. He's probably the most affordable vet MLB in the league.
Out of everything wrong with our D, Biggie is literally the last thing to worry about. If you see specific plays he's costing us bigtime, mark the Q & clock and post them here and we can all take a look. It's often hard to see if a specific single player is botching things if you're not focusing on him.
Just my 2c.
He didn't play in week one.
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 24, 2024, 03:07:13 AMIt would be grossly unfair to to say AB04 is "done" as DM83 suggests. The D has gone through, and continues to go through, more changes than usual this year with veterans moving on plus several injuries. Those facts are going to impact the defence as a whole and Bighill in particular.
Kind of a rude way to describe it but I don't think it's far off the mark, unfortunately. The guy deserves a hero's send off and maybe a ring of honour spot someday but he's only going to get more banged up as the season goes on. He's not the same guy he was (this was pretty obvious last year, to my eye) so it's not so much the 0-3 start as it is being an almost 36 year old middle linebacker on a 65 yard wide field.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 24, 2024, 03:13:23 AMKind of a rude way to describe it but I don't think it's far off the mark, unfortunately. The guy deserves a hero's send off and maybe a ring of honour spot someday but he's only going to get more banged up as the season goes on. He's not the same guy he was (this was pretty obvious last year, to my eye) so it's not so much the 0-3 start as it is being an almost 36 year old middle linebacker on a 65 yard wide field.
Logic would suggest he is not at the same level he was with the Lions and his early time with the Bombers. But words are important and DM83's description does not take into account some of the other factors too. That was my point.
I have been the biggest critic for the bombers not picking up Darnell Sankey when they had the chance and make the transition from old to young st mlb and do the same painful thing we did with Harris as we did with Brady, but the bombers didn't pull the trigger and we ve paid for it ever since. That said, looks like the brass has said we re going with him this season, slow and all, not much we can do but painfully watch. I think he still brings leadership but his play is no where near what it was or where it needs to be. It's sad when players hang on too long.
Biggie will have ups and downs. To suggest he is done is wrong and disrespectful imo. Discussing his stats, longevity, speed, etc. Is fair game but let's not pile on a guy when his team is struggling, the defense has new faces, is injuried and we have new schemes. Give it time. Too early to suggest he is done imo. I have seen some impact plays from him and was surprised at his speed the previous game to BC. An aging vet at the tail end of a outstanding career. Near the end of his career, yes. Done, no imo. Just like the crowd that was critical of Harris when he got hurt for us and came back and dominated, my guess is this thread will age poorly. Mind you, I was extremely confident in Harris at the end of his career. I'm moderately confident that Biggie can still be a star.
Quote from: dd on June 24, 2024, 03:29:07 AMI have been the biggest critic for the bombers not picking up Darnell Sankey when they had the chance and make the transition from old to young st mlb and do the same painful thing we did with Harris as we did with Brady, but the bombers didn't pull the trigger and we ve paid for it ever since.
Sankey probably costs $50k more than Biggie (or more!). Forget about SMS situation last year, this season we simply could not afford Sankey. Biggie is the best cap-friendly vet MLB, and continuously takes pay cuts to help the team and extend his career.
If we wanted Sankey we would have had to sacrifice one of the huge O names... which one do you give up?
And once again, we're still doing pretty well against the run! Ya, Stanback had a big average, but it was still way less than 10 and we weren't giving up explosion runs. I still think our MLB/WILL are the least of our concerns.
Everyone better pray Biggie stays upright all season because if he doesn't it's not a Sankey we'll be fielding, it'll be a Gauthier or Hurl or something and then we'll be getting torched on deep passes
and the run!
Quote from: DM83 on June 24, 2024, 02:42:10 AMWell leadership might be needed for a DC has to create man to man. Every play with DBs, with ten yard cushions.
Our DB corps is so bad right now I think we have to go back to 2015-2016 schemes where we play near-exclusively zone D. Hall always said when your talent isn't good enough for man, you can't play man. Ya, well, that's us now.
The zone-mostly of back then worked well to generate turnovers, as zone is apt to do, at the expense of always leaving some soft spots open for long drives. It won't win you many games, but maybe we can at least stop the explosions and give ourselves something to build off of.
Hey I don't want Bighill to be done. But he is called a linebacker. if you watch him he is not filling the hole. On one of BCs touchdowns he stepped to the wrong side, tried to recover and never. Touched the tb. Unfortunately Stanback scampered the opposite off tackle untouched.
Since last year they had him matched up and the guy who caught the ball just ran by him for aTDnCatch.
I guess some of you never played real football. But putting any LB in man coverage vs a skill position guy is really stupid in the first place but it happened last game with Krmdi, and another scary part was when it happened against Holm, and the trading camp less safety#37.
Coupled with an unbothered BC QB it was like men vs boys.
The defense is absolutely very bad. But that is managements fault. They have to se when guys can't or don't want to do it, and replace them. That also falls on the scouts. I asked the question previously, who did they bring in? That has made a play......I hear crickets.
I told my buddies, our previous heroes, were not going to play at a CFL level. (Noticeable at the end of last year.). This team will not make the playoffs. If either of the Rourke brothers becomes available, and as soon as Kelly comes back, the Bombers better grab the guy playing QB or Kelly.
Other concerns
Schoen is now injury prone
Lawler certainly is not a quarter of what is paid
Collaros will be going down
Bighill best before date, has come. We need 10 more younger guys just like him
Willie will be taking almost all plays off, as he stands back and tries to block passes. He doesn't push the pocket, nor has anyone else they have brought in
Oliviera.
Neufeld should be getting tired
Stanley also an amazing freak to still be the best linemen in the league.
I had hoped two more years for the guys but.....simply put they ain't what they used to be
The Cup ain't won in summertime, but teams that start off 0-10 likely do not either.
And the Bombers were still only a few points away from a win.
But really, they were also not really in it. Now with four starting American receivers on the injury list, and no DBs worth anything, how long before the Oak Park boys are on the list. Demski dropping the patented corner pattern kind of is/was symptomatic. That was an awesome pattern for us.i guess he was exhausted. He was also caught by Sanky on the putt-putt sweep.
Jordan (is that his name? younger is not ready for Def coord duties. Ritchie get that DC cap on again. Anyone see Danny McMannis from last weeks Eskimo reunion.....has he left the....???? Does he. Have all those spring league names ready to come up here.
Please don't mention salary cap. Either it should be raised, or ignored officially.
Once Lawler is off the list, I would expect him to be released. Just no value for the buck.
Tough start for the team
Can Calgary beat us.? Sure don't think so! But....
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2024, 06:04:27 AMBiggie was making plays in week 1 & 2.
He didn't play in week one. Looked ok in 2. VA made everyone look bad in 3. But I still say that is on lack of pressure.
Quote from: Waffler on June 24, 2024, 01:28:28 PMHe didn't play in week one. Looked ok in 2. VA made everyone look bad in 3. But I still say that is on lack of pressure.
This. Adams had it easy on Friday, and he picked apart the secondary all game.
Quote from: Waffler on June 24, 2024, 01:28:28 PMHe didn't play in week one. Looked ok in 2. VA made everyone look bad in 3. But I still say that is on lack of pressure.
But bighill is a big part of the lack of pressure.
Quote from: Jesse on June 24, 2024, 01:53:18 PMBut bighill is a big part of the lack of pressure.
We aren't getting pressure from any of the LB's. Bighill has been limited due to injury and just now getting back to form. I cut him a little slack for another game but he's lost a step.
Quote from: Jesse on June 24, 2024, 01:53:18 PMBut bighill is a big part of the lack of pressure.
I do not have stats for this, but watching Bighill over the years since he got here my impression is that he has not been effective rushing the passer.
at least, at actually getting to and bringing down the passer.
I hope / think that Ford will improve as the season progresses. Alexander doesnt seem to be much of a force anymore. injuries take a toll.
but some older players in key positions, is a bit of a problem.
just checked O'Shea played 16 seasons, which migh colour his thinking about aging vets.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 24, 2024, 06:24:26 AMSankey probably costs $50k more than Biggie (or more!). Forget about SMS situation last year, this season we simply could not afford Sankey. Biggie is the best cap-friendly vet MLB, and continuously takes pay cuts to help the team and extend his career.
Sankey and Bighill have the exact same guaranteed money, Sankey can make up to 6k more for being an all-star but other than that their contracts earn them the same.
Quote from: Mike on June 24, 2024, 03:04:23 PMSankey and Bighill have the exact same guaranteed money, Sankey can make up to 6k more for being an all-star but other than that their contracts earn them the same.
That's interesting. I wondered about that in 2023. I for one thought signing Sankey last year was a good idea. In theory I thought he could replace Clements as a DI and be available for multiple roles.
Some didn't agree and felt he was not a side to side LB and that was a deficiency. Whether was was / is true was only part of the issue. He wasn't going to replace Bighill so the SMS was not a direct issue. If the idea might have been replacing Clement then perhaps it was an issue.
Sankey may not have accepted a DI role but I never got the idea we made him an offer.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 24, 2024, 01:57:17 PMWe aren't getting pressure from any of the LB's. Bighill has been limited due to injury and just now getting back to form. I cut him a little slack for another game but he's lost a step.
Bighill is just one I notice who is being sent a lot.
We have a three-man front, he runs in and is stone-walled.
Tony Jones looks much faster then AB4 at practice. Nice size at 6'2" 235, closes very quick on the ball. Last season with EE, 41 DT, 11 ST, 1 Sack, and 1 FF. I think when he finally gets his chance, he will do very well.
Quote from: DM83 on June 24, 2024, 11:09:40 AMHey I don't want Bighill to be done. But he is called a linebacker. if you watch him he is not filling the hole. On one of BCs touchdowns he stepped to the wrong side, tried to recover and never. Touched the tb. Unfortunately Stanback scampered the opposite off tackle untouched.
Since last year they had him matched up and the guy who caught the ball just ran by him for aTDnCatch.
I guess some of you never played real football. But putting any LB in man coverage vs a skill position guy is really stupid in the first place but it happened last game with Krmdi, and another scary part was when it happened against Holm, and the trading camp less safety#37.
Coupled with an unbothered BC QB it was like men vs boys.
The defense is absolutely very bad. But that is managements fault. They have to se when guys can't or don't want to do it, and replace them. That also falls on the scouts. I asked the question previously, who did they bring in? That has made a play......I hear crickets.
I told my buddies, our previous heroes, were not going to play at a CFL level. (Noticeable at the end of last year.). This team will not make the playoffs. If either of the Rourke brothers becomes available, and as soon as Kelly comes back, the Bombers better grab the guy playing QB or Kelly.
Other concerns
Schoen is now injury prone
Lawler certainly is not a quarter of what is paid
Collaros will be going down
Bighill best before date, has come. We need 10 more younger guys just like him
Willie will be taking almost all plays off, as he stands back and tries to block passes. He doesn't push the pocket, nor has anyone else they have brought in
Oliviera.
Neufeld should be getting tired
Stanley also an amazing freak to still be the best linemen in the league.
I had hoped two more years for the guys but.....simply put they ain't what they used to be
The Cup ain't won in summertime, but teams that start off 0-10 likely do not either.
And the Bombers were still only a few points away from a win.
But really, they were also not really in it. Now with four starting American receivers on the injury list, and no DBs worth anything, how long before the Oak Park boys are on the list. Demski dropping the patented corner pattern kind of is/was symptomatic. That was an awesome pattern for us.i guess he was exhausted. He was also caught by Sanky on the putt-putt sweep.
Jordan (is that his name? younger is not ready for Def coord duties. Ritchie get that DC cap on again. Anyone see Danny McMannis from last weeks Eskimo reunion.....has he left the....???? Does he. Have all those spring league names ready to come up here.
Please don't mention salary cap. Either it should be raised, or ignored officially.
Once Lawler is off the list, I would expect him to be released. Just no value for the buck.
Tough start for the team
Can Calgary beat us.? Sure don't think so! But....
Losing Schoen will hurt us bad. I don't agree he is injury prone but has been nicked a bit yes. Plays a physical game.
Zach won't be going down, suggesting that is a little much. I do not support replacing Zach.
Willie is fine
Brady is fine and will heal
Jordon Younger is fine and Hall will help him. Zero worries in this regard. Will be growing pains.
Salary cap is a part of all sports and can't be ignored.
Kramdi is developing and will get beat from time to time, he will be ok and will continue to develop
Holm is rock solid
We need more from Alexander but I'm not worried about him
Quote from: Pigskin on June 24, 2024, 05:56:45 PMTony Jones looks much faster then AB4 at practice. Nice size at 6'2" 235, closes very quick on the ball. Last season with EE, 41 DT, 11 ST, 1 Sack, and 1 FF. I think when he finally gets his chance, he will do very well.
Can you tell me more about him I know nothing.
Quote from: DM83 on June 24, 2024, 02:42:10 AMAre Bombers games televised? Does that Ford guy ever knock a pass down? How about our safety #37 how many plays does he make.
Well leadership might be needed for a DC has to create man to man. Every play with DBs, with ten yard cushions.Giving up five yard outs, and for scouts who brought zero capable players to camp....yeah Bighill might be better than on the field.
We should start a poll when the first victory will be?
You do know that if you cover a reciever well, the QB tends to not throw their way?
Hard for other/youngers guys to make the active roster when O'Shea is playing favorites on his near-expired-dates vets.
After seeing practice today I am convinced that Bighill is not healthy. That said, he is working his tail off and I never saw a player doing so much work on his sprinting in a practice. I am willing to give him props for just willing to be on the field. He's not the only one either. Jefferson also is not full speed. I was watching him and every so often he will not limp but kind of hop, favoring a leg. Wheatfall I THINK is hamstring, he was there, no helmet and in long baggy sweats, so I didn't see any brace or bandage. He was walking ok but didn't run.
Overall this is the most beat up Blue Bomber team I've ever seen. The bench is full of bandaged guys, they almost need a second one. They are working though it though and I think if we get guys back in time we will be in the hunt.
Other random thoughts:
Sorely missing Hardrick's joyful enthusiasm.
Zach seems to have his confidence shaken, sometimes himself other times beating himself up for missing one.
Strev never threw a pass but he ran a lot, not sure if he is 100% now either.
Sheahan must have showed every kick in his arsenal today, pretty cool to see. he had the returner running that is for sure.
Brady looked closer to last year's form than he has so far.
80 Wilson made the best catch I've seen from him so far. lovely.
:) hey Crazy
I was just wondering who you thought was playing well?
lol! So was I.
All I ask for is effort.
I think Demski I thought Olieviera, and #27 and Shoen. Of course Wally, I like Strev.
Offensively we were more competitive.
Defensively, we don't have a pass rush, so every cover guy will be looking awful. And. This is noticed by all teams we have played.
God help us if no body is brought in to rush the passer. It was like a seven second clock. Did you see the one play where no one rushed and Adams was untouched. It was like. The team o portion of practice." Let the QB throw" I asked to see the stats, but am missing them.
Also missed Schoen injury anyone explain what happened? Thanks
Quote from: markf on June 24, 2024, 02:06:15 PMI do not have stats for this, but watching Bighill over the years since he got here my impression is that he has not been effective rushing the passer.
Biggie has never been much of a sacker. He's done the odd one, but it's usually futile. I don't think they bother scheming him in that way anymore. He's used to stuff holes and roam the flat or drop back into deeper coverage.
He is a big part of why our run D is still decent, even though he doesn't get the stat himself. Remember, he still is directing everyone back there. He has great rapport with Wilson and they are a very good combo.
Quote from: Mike on June 24, 2024, 03:04:23 PMSankey and Bighill have the exact same guaranteed money, Sankey can make up to 6k more for being an all-star but other than that their contracts earn them the same.
I don't buy that. You're telling me Sankey is only earning $175ish? Because that's the last I remembering hearing for Biggie... or less.
Sankey is a $200+ LB easily. My guess is $220. If someone got him for $175 then that's a steal.
This time last year, Sankey wasn't playing for anyone, so who knows what he signed for. I wish we could have signed him, he's a force at MLB, arguably the best in the CFL
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2024, 06:04:27 AMBiggie was making plays in week 1 & 2. You didn't see him much in week 3 because VAJ is a gunslinger. It's not Biggie's job to be 60Y downfield.
If you want to point out a guy who is never on the scene, why not talk about Alexander? The only FS in the league who is never in the picture on a 60Y explosion.
Biggie is also very cap friendly. He's probably the most affordable vet MLB in the league.
Out of everything wrong with our D, Biggie is literally the last thing to worry about. If you see specific plays he's costing us bigtime, mark the Q & clock and post them here and we can all take a look. It's often hard to see if a specific single player is botching things if you're not focusing on him.
Just my 2c.
Biggie didn't play in Week 1 from what I remember
Quote from: BBFANDM on June 25, 2024, 03:28:43 AMBiggie didn't play in Week 1 from what I remember
Argh! Yes yes, I misspoke! :o :o I've been corrected 3 times now! Ya, Biggie still had his TC injury in week 1. So change what I said to him looking good in week 2. 8) 8)
Quote from: DM83 on June 24, 2024, 10:24:52 PMlol! So was I.
All I ask for is effort.
I think Demski I thought Olieviera, and #27 and Shoen. Of course Wally, I like Strev.
Offensively we were more competitive.
Defensively, we don't have a pass rush, so every cover guy will be looking awful. And. This is noticed by all teams we have played.
God help us if no body is brought in to rush the passer. It was like a seven second clock. Did you see the one play where no one rushed and Adams was untouched. It was like. The team o portion of practice." Let the QB throw" I asked to see the stats, but am missing them.
Also missed Schoen injury anyone explain what happened? Thanks
Heard Schoen's injury happened on the play Woli lost his helmet, apparently non contact far side of the field so it wasn't caught on film.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 25, 2024, 05:21:19 AMHeard Schoen's injury happened on the play Woli lost his helmet, apparently non contact far side of the field so it wasn't caught on film.
Thanks! Spotted it! 3Q7:05 live time you can see him topple down in front of his defender. Doesn't look like he was touched.
This is probably the worst case scenario then and we are in heaps and loads of trouble!!
He was doing his juke dance stop/stutter to make his cut inside and goes down. That's usually ACL, and that means season ender. However, ACL usually doesn't need 2 guys carrying you off the field 1hr later. So it could also be achilles, and that is more than a season ender. Achilles often requires dudes carrying you off... but weird that they wouldn't boot it on-field!
But I don't see any indication trainers went out on-field, so Schoen must have gone off on his own power... and he was on the East side, which is long walk! So how did he get off? Why not take a knee? Trying not to screw up our Woli celebration and ruin the tempo? I guess he could have snuck off to the East sideline... being able to do that would hint at ACL/MCL and not achilles.
What an overall odd situation! We got tons of replays of the Woli play but nothing wide-out or all-24. Very hard to pin this down precisely. Best case is minor MCL or something.
TSN is so useless for injury reports! They should have been all over this! This is a big in-game story.
Now I'm bummed out again. Where's that ledge?? :D :o :P
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2024, 06:42:20 AMTSN is so useless for injury reports! They should have been all over this! This is a big in-game story.
Now I'm bummed out again. Where's that ledge?? :D :o :P
They probably ask the teams for injury specifics on the sidelines or up in the booth, in the case of the Bombers you know how that will go.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2024, 03:06:10 AMI don't buy that. You're telling me Sankey is only earning $175ish? Because that's the last I remembering hearing for Biggie... or less.
Sankey is a $200+ LB easily. My guess is $220. If someone got him for $175 then that's a steal.
They're both earning 165k and Sankey has 6k in bonuses available to top out at 171k. I don't really care if you don't buy it, the information is out there to be consumed lol
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 25, 2024, 03:20:47 PMThey probably ask the teams for injury specifics on the sidelines or up in the booth, in the case of the Bombers you know how that will go.
No team is under any obligation to divulge injury details to the media.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 25, 2024, 03:37:55 PMNo team is under any obligation to divulge injury details to the media.
I'm always so torn on this, especially in this day and age. With the way they shove betting in your face non-stop, teams should be forced to be more transparent with injury reports but OTOH, I think you need to respect privacy if the player as well.
Looked like AB4 tweaked his calf today early in practice. Seemed to shake it out, and was running extra sprints later in practice.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 25, 2024, 07:37:53 PMLooked like AB4 tweaked his calf today early in practice. Seemed to shake it out, and was running extra sprints later in practice.
Unfortunate but I wouldn't mind seeing what Jones can do if we bring him off the PR.
Quote from: Mike on June 25, 2024, 03:41:34 PMI'm always so torn on this, especially in this day and age. With the way they shove betting in your face non-stop, teams should be forced to be more transparent with injury reports but OTOH, I think you need to respect privacy if the player as well.
It wouldn't be all that surprising to discover O'Shea is against the gambling component and does all he can not to cooperate. The whole gaming industry seems super sleezy to me, backed by Russian oligarchs and shady off-shore financiers.
The gaming industry has always been a greasy sleazy industry, but they're desparate for advertising revenue and since there's no more booze or cigarette ads, we re left With the gaming skeezebags. Sad testament of the times we live in
Quote from: dd on June 26, 2024, 12:19:14 AMThe gaming industry has always been a greasy sleazy industry, but they're desparate for advertising revenue and since there's no more booze or cigarette ads, we re left With the gaming skeezebags. Sad testament of the times we live in
Haha ya. From one vice, to another, to another. Is any of these vices better than the others? Why is it only the vices have enough money to throw around at advertising?
I just realized that F1 pulled a fast one... for years/decades there was no booze/cig ads allowed. Now it's mega ads for Heineken 0%!! They found a back door! Just make a 0% beer no one will buy and claim now it's ok to put your brand name back on F1 because you're advertising juice, not alcohol!! Brilliant!!
Oh, you're selling more Heineken (real) beer now too? Total coincidence, I'm sure!
P.S. I'm not a prude by any means: I preferred F1 with booze/cig money because then they didn't need a stupid spending cap and dumb homologations. If booze/cig ads in CFL allowed us to have 5X the cap, I'd be all over that.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 25, 2024, 03:37:55 PMNo team is under any obligation to divulge injury details to the media.
Right, but John Lu basically has carte blanche to roam the sidelines sniffing out stories. In fact, I'd say it's his obligation. He should be poking around the WPG bench and checking out Schoen and even asking him questions (off-air) if he feels like talking. And bugging trainers for details, etc.
Every other league does this. That's what
reporters do.
It's pretty sad that 1.5Q's went by and TSN didn't even mention Schoen's name or notice he was gone!! If I hadn't told everyone here about him being dragged off the field by 2 players 5 mins after the game, no one would have known squat that evening.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 26, 2024, 03:00:51 AMHaha ya. From one vice, to another, to another. Is any of these vices better than the others? Why is it only the vices have enough money to throw around at advertising?
I just realized that F1 pulled a fast one... for years/decades there was no booze/cig ads allowed. Now it's mega ads for Heineken 0%!! They found a back door! Just make a 0% beer no one will buy and claim now it's ok to put your brand name back on F1 because you're advertising juice, not alcohol!! Brilliant!!
Oh, you're selling more Heineken (real) beer now too? Total coincidence, I'm sure!
P.S. I'm not a prude by any means: I preferred F1 with booze/cig money because then they didn't need a stupid spending cap and dumb homologations. If booze/cig ads in CFL allowed us to have 5X the cap, I'd be all over that.
I think it's sad when we prey upon Addict to fund whatever sport/event. Cigarettes, booze and gambling continue to ruin people's lives yet we ll turn a blind eye for a few bucks. What a Morales's society we live in. No one vice is better than the other, they all make me sick, and I couldn't give a rip about cap space. Seriously. People continue die from cigs, but let's keep making and selling em. People lose everything they own to gambling addictions but hey if it means our cap space goes up who cares!? That's just sad.
Quote from: dd on June 26, 2024, 12:19:14 AMThe gaming industry has always been a greasy sleazy industry, but they're desparate for advertising revenue and since there's no more booze or cigarette ads, we re left With the gaming skeezebags. Sad testament of the times we live in
I'm pretty sure I've been seeing Coors Lite commercials lately promoting blue ice, maybe it's the US feed for the NHL playoffs, not sure. The Bombers podcasts feature the same commercials.
Quote from: dd on June 26, 2024, 03:44:29 AMI think it's sad when we prey upon Addict to fund whatever sport/event. Cigarettes, booze and gambling continue to ruin people's lives yet we ll turn a blind eye for a few bucks. What a Morales's society we live in. No one vice is better than the other, they all make me sick, and I couldn't give a rip about cap space. Seriously. People continue die from cigs, but let's keep making and selling em. People lose everything they own to gambling addictions but hey if it means our cap space goes up who cares!? That's just sad.
Not everyone who uses these products are addicts. And you can probably find a percentage of the population who's addicted to any product you may want to advertise.
I'm not really sure there's a solution here.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 26, 2024, 03:03:48 AMEvery other league does this.
Every other league also publicly discloses salary and contract figures.
The CFL doesn't really seem to care about transparency or accountability.
Quote from: Jesse on June 26, 2024, 10:41:13 AMNot everyone who uses these products are addicts. And you can probably find a percentage of the population who's addicted to any product you may want to advertise.
I'm not really sure there's a solution here.
Ya, not sure there is either. It's strange how lawmakers said no to cig and booze, but gambling that's ok, when really all 3 are closely linked to one another. But whatever