Let 'er rip.
1Q12:25 that is 100% not RTP, not even close, not by a country mile. Super late slide, guys already tackling him. Flag only comes up when Cody does a flag motion (since when was that legal again?). Sickening.
Pretty sad call on the RTP flag football?
I don't know why teams leave Cody with a wide open flat to take off into. He's almost as mobile as Tre Ford or VAJ. And he loves to run and doesn't care about getting hurt.
But yet no team assigns spies to Cody. We didn't, and it cost us a critical 15 in the GC. Can you imagine if we had kept them 3rd & 17 instead of 3rd & 3? Argh.
Duck duck goose, should have kept Brown over Zach they cried lol
One good thing about this game is if Dru gets destroyed (as it appears is starting to happen), it'll go some way towards quieting the "Zach sucks" chatter.
Dyce wasted his challenge too early and now the refs will rob him blind like they did with that RTP. Gotta keep those stripes honest.
Tug on jersey enough?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 20, 2024, 11:52:22 PMOne good thing about this game is if Dru gets destroyed (as it appears is starting to happen), it'll go some way towards quieting the "Zach sucks" chatter.
Dyce wasted his challenge too early and now the refs will rob him blind like they did with that RTP. Gotta keep those stripes honest.
Nothing will simmer down the chatter other than a string of victories and TDs
Forum gone crazy (usual suspects)
Montreal looks good
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 20, 2024, 11:54:01 PMTug on jersey enough?
No. But command says yes. It's very clear there is bias towards CFL darlings MTL right now.
That shirt tug is not enough because it didn't impede at all. But... there may have been something else earlier in the route. We're not getting enough good angles.
Also surprised the refs didn't blow Caleb dead there as he was fully encircled and moving backwards.
Also: that's a tandem block by Philpot pulling Caleb in. You cannot do that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 20, 2024, 11:56:52 PMNo. But command says yes. It's very clear there is bias towards CFL darlings MTL right now.
That shirt tug is not enough because it didn't impede at all. But... there may have been something else earlier in the route. We're not getting enough good angles.
Also surprised the refs didn't blow Caleb dead there as he was fully encircled and moving backwards.
Also: that's a tandem block by Philpot pulling Caleb in. You cannot do that.
Your tin foil hat posts are nauseating
There is no bias end off, never has been never will be, the CFL war room is inconsistent and has issues. Refs do best they can, but again has some issues.
By the letter of the law that's PI. Good point about angles on other stuf we didn't see.
Brown almost threw duck #2, threw defenders hands (LB).
Brown is jittery
Ottawa D firms up
That could have ended Brown's season, RTP.
Brown playing hot potato.
Philpot amazing player
Cody slinging
Cody running like an RB
Ottawa with critical hold for 3
Ottawa self imploding
Cody sling
Philpot sick
50 spot?
Yeah. This is not a contest.
Brown looks lost
Ottawa D gased
Sick throw Cody
Sick catch 11
Nice stop! bad idea sneak with Cody
Montreal D is eating
Not to pile on, but how does our offence look so bad and then Mtrl. led by CO FAJ look so good against OTT....yikes...
Philpot is a legit talent..very impressed with him
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 21, 2024, 01:10:23 AMNot to pile on, but how does our offence look so bad and then Mtrl. led by CO FAJ look so good against OTT....yikes...
Philpot is a legit talent..very impressed with him
On the flip side, we only allowed 14 against Montreal in the first half and those points were gifting them the ball in good field position.
I don't think we're as far away as people think.
Nice TD Brown to 83
Ottawa getting hammered 30-1 at the HALF and we lost to them?!?! Oh my god I m going to throw up
Brown is having his down game in what will be an up and down start to the season for him.
That said, he tossed a TD against the Montreal D. Something Zach hasn't done in the last 8 quarters facing them.
We lost to Ottawa is right...? Our depth chart looks better for tomorrow but BC is no slouch.
Bad sign Ott Hunter hurt bad
Brown with a great escape and toss. Looks like Zach of 2019. You can see where he learned from. Receiver drops a TD pass right in the hands.
The kid is going to be alright.
Brown battling back
Man o man Montreal is still king
Sick return
Ottawa can't stop the big play
Quote from: Road Griller on June 21, 2024, 02:01:22 AMWe need a burner back there.
Say hello to Chris Smith.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2024, 02:05:04 AMOttawa can't stop the big play
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2024, 02:05:34 AMYes patience grasshopper
Hopefully soon, even last season without Grant they could not find anyone. Every other team finds them like sand at the beach. Such a huge part of the game.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 21, 2024, 02:07:39 AMHopefully soon, even last season without Grant they could not find anyone. Every other team finds them like sand at the beach. Such a huge part of the game.
Returners are always hard to find and develop. One of hardest jobs in football. Your posts have one thing in common, stating half baked opinions like they are facts.
Quote from: Jesse on June 21, 2024, 02:06:36 AMSay hello to Chris Smith.
Hopefully he is the answer and can stay healthy. Even so, 3 games is still too long to wait, and every game Grant was hurt last season.
I would hope they are looking for another, the position is grueling.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 21, 2024, 02:10:18 AMHopefully he is the answer and can stay healthy. Even so, 3 games is still too long to wait, and every game Grant was hurt last season.
I would hope they are looking for another, the position is grueling.
3 games isn't too long to wait. Patience grasshopper. Give the new faces a half season.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2024, 02:09:28 AMReturners are always hard to find and develop. One of hardest jobs in football. Your posts have one thing in common, stating half baked opinions like they are facts.
Well, I am not saying the hotdog guy. Pretty sure the top US college returners that were among the last NFL cuts have some decent experience.
Can't find what you are not looking for, no team has struggled in the return game as much as us without Grant. '23 and now '24.
That is a fact, our return game is not good enough.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 21, 2024, 02:15:34 AMWell, I am not saying the hotdog guy. Pretty sure the top US college returners that were among the last NFL cuts have some decent experience.
Can't find what you are not looking for, no team has struggled in the return game as much as us without Grant. '23 and now '24.
That is a fact, our return game is not good enough.
2 games have been played. Patience grasshopper.
Hotdog guy? Not sure what that means but pretty sure a shot at our talent of so Have some respect.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2024, 02:17:05 AM2 games have been played. Patience grasshopper.
And how many last season without Grant. 6? So that makes 9. Burning a half season worth of games is not acceptable. Especially when you had an idea Grant may not be back or want a big raise.
That was a perfect open audition to find the next one. Just another example of sitting on your hands can cost you W's down the road.
Only 3 games this season? What if we miss the playoffs by 1 game? We are not good enough to blow off any game or any slight advantage to win a game.
Not anymore.
Hits don't get bigger than that
Quote from: Road Griller on June 21, 2024, 02:22:59 AMAnd how many last season without Grant. 6? So that makes 9. Burning a half season worth of games is not acceptable. Especially when you had an idea Grant may not be back or want a big raise.
That was a perfect open audition to find the next one. Just another example of sitting on your hands can const you W's down the road.
Only 3 games this season? What if we miss the playoffs by 1 game? We are not good enough to blow off any game or any slight advantage to win a game.
Not anymore.
2 games end of. Grant came back none issue. Your argument holds no weight. We made the GC.
Do us all a favor. It's 2024. Put your time machine away.
Patience grasshopper.
We didn't have money for a returner, we didn't sit on hands, we handed out cash to other areas. Those players will win games. We can hope to find a returner.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2024, 02:24:30 AM2 games end of. Grant came back none issue. Your argument holds no weight.
Do us all a favor. It's 2024. Put your time machine away.
Patience grasshopper.
One season runs into the next. That's how it works. Your short sightedness is the exact attitude that leads to this kind of issue. Seven P's to a T.
Wally would have had a returner and not missed a beat.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 21, 2024, 02:29:51 AMOne season runs into the next. That's how it works. Your short sightedness is the exact attitude that leads to this kind of issue. Three P's to a T.
Wally would have had a returner and not missed a beat.
Each season is new. CFL has a lot of turnover. MOS approaches each game as 1 and 0. Your arguments usually have no weight or facts. Patience grasshopper. You should run the club I guess lol.
You are short sighted as you panicked immediately this year.
I was patient with this club pre dynasty. I took a lot of flack for my support of Hall, MOS, management and our defense. Patience paid off then and should again.
Rempel rule caught out MTL. Trucking the LS not allowed.
Finally in 2nd half OTT starts spying Cody. He doesn't look nearly as good when he can't scramble at will. Of course they'll probably adjust.
I am happy for fajardo, a guy cut and left for dead by the criders of all teams has come back with avengence. Same for Maas, let go, couldn't coach. Looks like he's figured it out in la belle province. Good for both of them, Montreal has went from a team on life support to the leagues best. Having Darnell Sankey running the show in the middle of the field was key to turn8ng that team around. Yep, good thing we didn't pick him up. Ha!!!
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 21, 2024, 02:32:31 AMEach season is new. CFL has a lot of turnover. MOS approaches each game as 1 and 0. Your arguments usually have no weight or facts. Patience grasshopper. You should run the club I guess lol.
You are short sighted as you panicked immediately this year.
I was patient with this club pre dynasty. I took a lot of flack for my support of Hall, MOS, management and our defense. Patience paid off then and should again.
Ok great, let's put this to bed for now.
We can revisit Saturday when the numbers are in. If what you say is true I am looking for a huge game.
We will see the return numbers and most importantly the score then.
Looking for big numbers on both from the Blue.
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 02:43:51 AMI am happy for fajardo, a guy cut and left for dead by the criders of all teams has come back with avengence. Same for Maas, let go, couldn't coach. Looks like he's figured it out in la belle province. Good for both of them, Montreal has went from a team on life support to the leagues best. Having Darnell Sankey running the show in the middle of the field was key to turn8ng that team around. Yep, good thing we didn't pick him up. Ha!!!
A guy who people said 'can't throw' but buys enough time to get out and make the plays.
Some are saying the same about Streveler today. I can see him succeeding the same way when he gets the chance.
Hopefully we don't lose him like we did Brown.
Maas' second challenge on DPI: Ferguson is full of it... the ball doesn't have to be "in the air" for there to be a penalty, and even if that was true, it would just be called IC instead of DPI. Ya, it would be 10 instead of spot-of-foul, but still a penalty.
You can't impede the pass target beyond the 5Y buffer regardless of what the ball is doing at the moment. If it gets caught, it's IC or DPI. Even overthrows can be IC on earlier contact, like this type of jam near LoS.
Montreal is the real deal. Haven't lost since last September.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 21, 2024, 02:49:54 AMOk great, let's put this to bed for now.
We can revisit Saturday when the numbers are in. If what you say is true I am looking for a huge game.
We will see the return numbers and most importantly the score then.
Looking for big numbers on both from the Blue.
One game means nothing to me. I will revist mid season. Labour day is when it all matters. You can focus on each game and over react. I'll focus by the month and look for trends and be patient.
What I was saying has nothing to do with the score or a huge game. My point is we develop a returner and if that doesn't work out by mid season we change gears. If we lose you will be sounding every alarm bell. I will have the same attitude I have had for years. Give it time. Hoping for a big game but the season isn't riding on it (yet). Bigger fish to fry than return imo.
Yup, they're as solid a football team as there is in this league. They ll be tops in the east this year and defend their crown well
At $371k, he's a steal and he's worth every penny. 47 points is only something we can dream about and we re paying our $600k. Wow, just wow.!
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 03:15:20 AMYup, they're as solid a football team as there is in this league. They ll be tops in the east this year and defend their crown well
At $371k, he's a steal and he's worth every penny. 47 points is only something we can dream about and we re paying our $600k. Wow, just wow.!
We have had one of the best offenses for many years. That dream is still alive. Montreal looks amazing. Zach is worth the salary and has earned every dime. Rough start, 2 games means nothing. Panic just panic!
He's scored 31 points in 2 games or 16 points a game, not 47. He's thrown 0 TD s and 3 picks. He hasn't earned any of his salary and I don't know how he sleeps at night. Him and BLM must text each other to see who's pulled the biggest fast one in terms of salary for zero productivity.
Zach against MTL at home 20/33 209 YTD 0 TD 1 int
Dru against MTL in MTL. 21/35 292 YTD 1 TD 1 int
Head to head game. Zach 15/31 285 YTD 0 TD 2 int
Dru 20/33 238 YTD 1 TD 0 int
Passer rating after 2 games Zach 60.3
Passer rating after 2 games Dru 88.5
Looks like Ottawa is getting the better bang for the buck so far. Plus a young QB who will only improve.
To perform quite well in such a hostile environment shows exactly what Dru is. Going to be interesting when they play here.
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 02:43:51 AMI am happy for fajardo, a guy cut and left for dead by the criders of all teams has come back with avengence. Same for Maas, let go, couldn't coach. Looks like he's figured it out in la belle province. Good for both of them, Montreal has went from a team on life support to the leagues best. Having Darnell Sankey running the show in the middle of the field was key to turn8ng that team around. Yep, good thing we didn't pick him up. Ha!!!
Dirty hit by Sankey on Jaelin Acklin absolutely blew him up and looked like there may have been head contact as well. Hopefully the league fines him, time to put a stop to attempted decapitation of receivers and running backs.
Not surprised to see D.Wynn take a misconduct on the huge Sankey hit to Acklin. I'm ok with the hit, except there were a few like that from Loffler that got UR flags...
Wynn is such a turd, hasn't changed at all since being out much of 2023. Acklin is blown up and laying unconscious (or nearly so) and still has the ball because he's a good player... and Wynn walks over well after the whistle and knocks the ball out of Acklin's limp arms. What a DB loser!
I waited a whole minute for the flag as the on-field pro-MTL refs are clearly blind tonight. Command had to call the Wynn penalty after the fact, only once some OTT players took offense, as they should.
Wynn is going to be the next Marino: book it.
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 02:43:51 AMMontreal has went from a team on life support to the leagues best.
Ya, but that kind of story always really miffs a lot of (other team) fans. People are often happier about teams who go through the long process of slowly improving.
I always use F1 analogies, so I'll use another one: Braun racing came out of nowhere and went from bad (Honda team) to #1 constructor in 1 season. Everyone hated them (except me, but that's because I was a suffering Honda fan!). And then Mercedes bought Braun and was nearly instantly world-dominating for a decade. If Braun had taken 5 years to slowly improve, they would have been more liked. (Red Bull did a similar thing, coming out of nowhere at first.)
Back to MTL, weren't they insolvent and ownerless as recently as 2022? And to start 2023 they were picked as league's biggest dumpster fire. From zero to GC hero
in one season. Meanwhile TOR spent more time building, BC has been spending a ton of time building, SSK has been trying for like 5 seasons... and they all get bupkis (well TOR got their reasonably-deserved GC).
How long did it take WPG to go from zero to hero? 6 seasons(?), many of which had mega-pain. No matter what teams' fan you were, you couldn't fault WPG/MOS finally achieving it after 5 years of building! We kind of "deserved it".
Ya, so I don't think MTL "put in their dues". So I dislike them, I dislike anger-management Maas, and I really(!) dislike "Sprinkles" Cody. But they have the best scouts and drafting, and all their amazing players are ELC and can play for a decade to come. Unless there's massive incompetence there, they'll make half the GCs in the next 3 seasons. I give all the credit to Maccioccia: that guy is a little wizard. (And I like Calvillo.)
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 03:15:20 AMYup, they're as solid a football team as there is in this league. They ll be tops in the east this year and defend their crown well
At $371k, he's a steal and he's worth every penny. 47 points is only something we can dream about and we re paying our $600k. Wow, just wow.!
Cody is still just a middling QB. He is a beneficiary of the system and talent around him. Proof? It's the same Cody/Maas as was in SSK. When the talent was around after Jones left, they looked good, but not great. We beat them 2 years in a row to go to the cup. And the last Cody/Maas SSK year they stunk the joint out enough to get fired.
Has Cody improved at all? Ya, a little. Maas' influence is certainly good for Cody: it helps having an old QB as a HC. And I bet Calvillo can take a ton of credit too. But Cody still has many of the same downsides, like every mid/deep pass still has the mechanics of a shot-put! And we think Strev's mechanics is weird! And Cody has always been great at thriving under pressure. My main point here is Cody has always been middle/upper-middle tier, so to see him being just that in MTL, or better because the supporting cast is so strong, is not surprising to me.
Now, in MTL they have the extreme talent all around them, in every phase. And probably the best GM/Prez of any team. The team is as balanced as 2019-2021 WPG. And they want you to know they are going to bash your skull into the turf. That is a hard thing to beat.
But we won't know the real answer until TOR gets to face them. First sans Kelly, then hopefully with Kelly. TOR is the "rightful" GC contender, not the MTL pretender. Will TOR just give up all those years of building and hand it all over to MTL? I wouldn't bet on that. It may be the best match-up of the year, way better than WPG/BC. The East being more entertaining than the W, who would have guessed?!
If TOR clobbers MTL without Kelly, it'll be a huge blow to MTL. And if MTL wins, TOR will brush it off as a mulligan because they don't have a QB. Then comes the games with Kelly... it'll be a brutal slobberknocker.
MTL is fulfilling my prediction of week 1 winner will win .75 (or 100%!) of first 6. (And the loser or week 1 will be .25 (or 0%!) in first 6...)
MTL has all the belief, mojo and cockiness now (we know how that feels after 2019) and it will be hard to knock that out of them. They are the complete team right now. It's a darn good thing they are in the East that can't damage us too much... until a possible GC rematch.
Did you see how MTL completely ignored their IMP Rs? It was all Philpot and KJG: giving conniptions to fantasy players! Since when does any team do that as their game plan? Imagine if we had a game where 90% of our yards were just Demski/Woli? Totally crazy.
As already noted, this game tells us a lot about ourselves as we are the only team so far to have faced both MTL and OTT. OTT is probably still a basement dweller, and they beat us by a teensy bit. MTL gave OTT fits, Dru didn't do any better than Zach (TD aside), which actually make us look not too bad, IMHO, as MTL clearly is a very strong team that we probably can't measure ourselves against yet.
The real downside to tonight: boooooring lopsided game where MTL just beat up on the JV squad. Kind of sad to watch, actually.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 21, 2024, 09:09:59 AMDru didn't do any better than Zach (TD aside), which actually make us look not too bad, IMHO, as MTL clearly is a very strong team that we probably can't measure ourselves against yet.
Dru did much better IMO. He did it in a hostile environment. Zach was at home.
I can't imagine if we opened up there. Zach wilted at home, Dru made some really nice plays. His pocket awareness, escapability and arm strength is better.
Dru was stepping up and evading the pass rush very well in the second part of the game, he has the quickness. This game will make him much better, other D's will not be as challenging for him.
Your second part is very true, better coaching, better players. Pretty hard to compete against that.
They play like the 2021 Bombers. Hard and fast, everyone chipping in making big plays.
Montreal game has just about everything you could imagine in a game.
Brown has some good tools and may become a successful QB as early as this year. My fear is that I'm not convinced the team around him is good enough yet. Not on either side of the ball and that seemed evident yesterday.
He'll have to survive the problems and not let it destroy his confidence.
Obviously the Als are an excellent team but they put up nearly 500 yards of offence. Ottawa was behind immediately with the 1st turnover which was not Browns fault.
Fajardo looked good but that usually happens when receivers are open all night making big plays. It takes that combination and some attitude in the play calling.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 21, 2024, 03:07:32 AMMontreal is the real deal. Haven't lost since last September.
Yes they are rolling, but how many games did they play from December to May?
#fakestat
Quote from: Stretch on June 21, 2024, 01:27:53 PMYes they are rolling, but how many games did they play from December to May?
#fakestat
Well, in fairness some people like to bring up Collaros used to play good as well so we should just keep on playing him.
One season does run into the next, teams should be building all the time. They did their homework and came out even better.
Or did we step back that much? Tonight will answer that. We beat BC at home last time, should expect the same results.
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 03:25:57 AMHe's scored 31 points in 2 games or 16 points a game, not 47. He's thrown 0 TD s and 3 picks. He hasn't earned any of his salary and I don't know how he sleeps at night. Him and BLM must text each other to see who's pulled the biggest fast one in terms of salary for zero productivity.
Probably just fine. He plays a sport for a living.
Get a grip.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 21, 2024, 05:25:44 AMDirty hit by Sankey on Jaelin Acklin absolutely blew him up and looked like there may have been head contact as well. Hopefully the league fines him, time to put a stop to attempted decapitation of receivers and running backs.
Why on earth was there no flag on that play?? And why can't command centre call down and call a penalty. To me, there was both targetting- a 25 yard and expulsion foul and a 10 yd misconduct penalty for jumping around and celebrating the dirty hit. Absolutely classless act.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on June 21, 2024, 02:05:51 PMProbably just fine. He plays a sport for a living.
Get a grip.
Don't kid yourself, he knows full well others have sacrificed $$ off of their contracts to keep him happy and he's rewarding everyone by laying a giant osterich egg. he better pull out of his funk soon...
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 11:10:42 PMWhy on earth was there no flag on that play?? And why can't command centre call down and call a penalty. To me, there was both targetting- a 25 yard and expulsion foul and a 10 yd misconduct penalty for jumping around and celebrating the dirty hit. Absolutely classless act.
It was a legal hit. The receiver was not in a defenceless position. IIRC Alexander made a similar hit this year.
It's not flag football. The CFL does not have a targeting rule and no penalty was assessed even after the review.
Seems pretty clear.
It was a UR everyday of the week. I ve been a football official since 1987, done a few games, and know a foul when I see it. No doubt a fine comes out and if a players getting a fine, absolutely no doubt there should have been a foul called. It looks bush league after the fact the league has to fine a player for an offense a foul wasn't called. And if the hit wasn't so bad, why would he get a fine?? We ll see what happens
Quote from: dd on June 21, 2024, 11:35:54 PMIt was a UR everyday of the week. I ve been a football official since 1987, done a few games, and know a foul when I see it. No doubt a fine comes out and if a players getting a fine, absolutely no doubt there should have been a foul called. It looks bush league after the fact the league has to fine a player for an offense a foul wasn't called. And if the hit wasn't so bad, why would he get a fine?? We ll see what happens
No penalty was called by the CFL officials. That's fine with me.
And that's the problem. Obvious hit to the head on a reciever who can't protect himself. That's a UR everyday of the week. So is the misconduct afterwards of parading around. There were 2 calls missed, but whatever, don't call anything, awesome job.
Quote from: dd on June 22, 2024, 01:54:28 AMAnd that's the problem. Obvious hit to the head on a reciever who can't protect himself. That's a UR everyday of the week. So is the misconduct afterwards of parading around. There were 2 calls missed, but whatever, don't call anything, awesome job.
He didn't lead with his head and he didn't strike the head. The receiver was a live target with the ball hit from the front.
There is no rule on how hard you can make a tackle as long as it's on time and no directed at the head.
Misconduct perhaps. He did his celebration on the way off the field not over the player.
Again, it would be impossible for the refs to miss a call in open field as that play developed.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2024, 03:43:08 AMHe didn't lead with his head and he didn't strike the head. The receiver was a live target with the ball hit from the front.
Ya, I did the ol' computer PVR slowmo stuff on the hit and it was "clean". Also importantly, Acklin had and held onto the ball. Refs will give even more leniency when the catch is made because the D is allowed to try to jar the ball loose.
However, Loffler and sometimes Alexander have taken UR for hits that were very similar. However, their hits would usually make an in-air R fly a bit. Acklin was grounded and so the hit wasn't as scary looking. I think a lot of it has to do with how "bad" the optics are. Begelton doing a midair 360 the other year is one with bad optics. Hit was clean and not bad and we got a UR.
This call could have gone either way. I really don't like how there's a subjective/writhing component to UR, but that's the way CFL officiates.
dd may think in his reffing it's a UR, but the CFL has been really consistent on what the line is, and this is close, but no worse than a 50/50. If either player's head had been in it, or Acklin hadn't caught the ball, it probably would have been called.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 22, 2024, 03:43:08 AMHe didn't lead with his head and he didn't strike the head. The receiver was a live target with the ball hit from the front.
There is no rule on how hard you can make a tackle as long as it's on time and no directed at the head.
Misconduct perhaps. He did his celebration on the way off the field not over the player.
Again, it would be impossible for the refs to miss a call in open field as that play developed.
Nah, the league brought in a penalty for excessive force about 5 years ago and plenty of Safeties and LB's have been penalized for exerting excessive violence on a defenceless receiver. Demond Washington almost ended Fred Stamps playing career way back with a clean but vicious hit which he was penalized for. The CFL should not ignore that brain trauma is as often caused by body shocks and change of direction as direct headshots.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 22, 2024, 07:26:28 AMNah, the league brought in a penalty for excessive force about 5 years ago and plenty of Safeties and LB's have been penalized for exerting excessive violence on a defenceless receiver.
Ya, that's probably around the time normal Loffler hits started being called UR. Should be called the Loffler rule.
However, the league for many years has been consistent on what gets called or not. There is a big "grey area" up to the ref discretion. This Sankey hit was in that grey area. They didn't call it. I'm fine with it, as long as the refs try to be consistent on the same type of hit.
If we call every hit like this UR then we are effectively outlawing trying to use well-timed big hits to disrupt the catch. That takes away a component of the game. Do it if you must, but make it explicit. I'm not sure the league is ready for that, and I'm also not sure I'd like it.
I've noticed this season (more than most) a ton of receivers are taking a ton of damage from mega-big hits. So many getting blown up, even when they whiff on the ball. Begelton often looks like a punching bag out there: he's tough as nails, a lot like Schoen and Bailey even though he has a lankier body type. The D's seem to have a big advantage so far.
Hey, check out the BC@WPG game tonight 3Q8:41. Woli makes a turf-level catch and is still down, BC D guy comes in basically in a spear, leading with his helmet and he hits Woli in his helmet for classic H2H. On a receiver already on the turf (but getting up slowly). Woli's head gets lobbed into the turf at 100 MPH.
No call, not even a blink by the refs or command. Woli bounced up instead of writhing. Some writhing there would have probably drawn a flag.
They even give us a nice slowmo replay a few secs later.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 22, 2024, 07:26:28 AMNah, the league brought in a penalty for excessive force about 5 years ago and plenty of Safeties and LB's have been penalized for exerting excessive violence on a defenceless receiver. Demond Washington almost ended Fred Stamps playing career way back with a clean but vicious hit which he was penalized for. The CFL should not ignore that brain trauma is as often caused by body shocks and change of direction as direct headshots.
I'd argue that he wasn't a defenceless receiver ( Acklin ). That's usually when a receiver has his hands reaching for the ball above him and not on the ground with the ball in his hands. Or when a receiver is cartwheeled with a low hit, and again not in possession of the ball.
I see the Riders lost Blake to 6 game IR. The Argos lost 3 players including 2 to 6 game IR. Bombers lost 2 to 6 game IR and the Lions lost some bodies as well going into game 3.
Rough count is 54 players now on 6 game IR. Some may come off early, some may be done for the season. Transactions might not be completely up to date. However, that's an entire team of players just on 6 game IR.
Unfortunately there will be more injuries in the rest of the games this week.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 22, 2024, 09:52:35 AMHey, check out the BC@WPG game tonight 3Q8:41. Woli makes a turf-level catch and is still down, BC D guy comes in basically in a spear, leading with his helmet and he hits Woli in his helmet for classic H2H. On a receiver already on the turf (but getting up slowly). Woli's head gets lobbed into the turf at 100 MPH.
No call, not even a blink by the refs or command. Woli bounced up instead of writhing. Some writhing there would have probably drawn a flag.
They even give us a nice slowmo replay a few secs later.
Noticed that hit too, the CFL has to get the message through to defenders that these hits are no longer acceptable and they will not allow any exceptions. The only way to do that is to penalize them for every transgression.
Nice catch Mitchel for Elks
Another nice catch deep
Grant looks really good
88 Argos nice catch Td
#18 Argos receiver hurt
It's sad to see Bailey and Grant plying their craft for the Argos.
Quote from: J5V on June 23, 2024, 12:02:17 AMIt's sad to see Bailey and Grant plying their craft for the Argos.
I was just about to post the same thing!!
Man, Grant can absolutely fly out there and good to see bailey haul in his 2nd TD catch this year, that's 2 more than our entire team combined!!
good to see them excel just wish it was for us
Nice drive for the Argos. Their backup Rb is good.
Grant hurt
Dukes goes duck hunting
Elks make em pay
Dukes looks good and Argos answer back. Their three RBs are all very good.
Grant back
Nice play, another deep ball for Elks
Mbt on point today
When do we get to play Edmonton? That defense is terrible again. What is wrong with Chris Jones these days.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 23, 2024, 01:39:05 AMWhen do we get to play Edmonton? That defense is terrible again. What is wrong with Chris Jones these days.
Weeks 16, 17.
Mbt throws up a duck that's dropped
Excellent ball game
Quote from: J5V on June 23, 2024, 12:02:17 AMIt's sad to see Bailey and Grant plying their craft for the Argos.
They both look exactly as good as when they were here. And Bailey is being targeted a heck of a lot more, more like a #2. Grant clearly hasn't lost "it". Too bad we didn't have the measly extra $25k or so each player would have required...
Brissett being out is a big loss for TOR and it screws up their ratio. That hi/lo hit did not look good. Bad luck. Could be a 6G.
TOR winning that DPI challenge is pretty nuts! R gets jammed at the 20YL and the ball falls 15Y in the EZ!! He stopped his route and was literally standing 35Y away from the potential catch point!
It is 100% IC, but you can't challenge IC.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a DPI called where the ball was 35Y away, and when the R stopped dead, and when another R was heading that way too and may have been the target and clearly couldn't reach the ball (meaning uncatchable and no DPI).
So command decided:
a) the ICd guy was the target
b) it was catchable (maybe he could have ran 35Y in that couple of secs, but who knows)
c) he was impeded (clearly, because it was uncalled IC)
This smacks of command covering their butts! What should happen here, IMHO, is command calls IC on a DPI challenge. But they may not be allowed to do that? IC is cut & dried, DPI you have to make a ton of assumptions. For instance, if the R had kept running and was 10Y away when the ball downs, do they then waive DPI because it's "uncatchable"; we've seen that before!
Don't like this precedent.
Quote from: dd on June 23, 2024, 12:10:15 AMMan, Grant can absolutely fly out there and good to see bailey haul in his 2nd TD catch this year, that's 2 more than our entire team combined!!
LOL, touche. Ouch. Maybe Bailey is the smartest party in WFC vs Bailey! :o
Why oh why could we not have had Zach (or Strev) do that QB draw TD run Dukes did before halftime in the 2 times we were within 10Y of the EZ and we messed it up with useless passes?
Why can't we scheme what every other team does effortlessly?
Holy smokes, where's the crowd in TOR? This may be even worse than 2022. GC winners going into 2023 and they had a bit more fans, but now it's just abysmal. What the heck, TOR? The owners need to talk to BC to find out how to bribe people to show up with rappers!
Haha, at halftime EDM appears to have had a lobotomy when they don't try a 50Y FG... until I remembered TOR has Grant waiting in the EZ... Them having Grant saved them 3 points against!
Anyone catch Bailey's interview going into halftime? He's saying that straight to us in WPG. He chose his words carefully. And right at the end he does something weird: he makes a "call me" hand signal... now what on earth is that? Is he hinting we need to call up TOR and make a trade? Who else is he telling to call him after a speech like that? Very strange, indeed.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2024, 01:04:37 AMElks make em pay
TOR getting a little too cute, doesn't fool old dog Purifoy. That dude still has some speed!
Great TD by Mayala as his career has been on the downtrend. That wasn't an easy catch. TOR doing all the right things defensively, but EDM getting some execution.
(Why can't we do that??)
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2024, 01:13:21 AMDukes looks good and Argos answer back. Their three RBs are all very good.
Ya, but makes fantasy very very difficult. So hard to pick any of them.
I always wonder why TOR insists on this multi-back scheme. And not only 2, they often play all 3 in a non-trivial way. No other team does this. CGY toyed with it a bit, and still does, but not like TOR does.
In WPG it's always been that our RB gets better the more touches you give 'em. We'll dress Johnny for 10 games and he won't see a touch until garbage time / injury.
The one thing you do see with TOR's multi-back scheme is that when the next guy comes in he sure has fresh & fast legs.
Aside: TOR was making me think they were CGY 4 years ago for a bit: Mayala and Sindani making plays together!
Mitchell was DBC in the 4th on the weird TD. The proof is in one of the later angles right after possession was gained, D's left hand brushes the R's jersey at the shoulder pad. The jersey tugs down a little bit, which would otherwise be 100% impossible unless touched.
But it was a heck of a lot closer a call than I at first thought! Pretty good call by the on-field ref, even though he was wrong.
That C.Jones challenge on DPI on Amos: that was a super close one. Yes, contact 1/10th second early. Yes, may have changed the hand position slightly by moving R's body.
BUT, D didn't "turn the receiver" at all. No other cues to go on, just the above.
But my guess was no-call. I was wrong. Booth guys are right... this was so close that they usually "let them play".
In the past we've seen this exact same thing uncalled and un-overturned. I'm actually pretty shocked at this one. These early games set the precedent for the season... I get it, but now be consistent.
P.S. Earlier they said Dinwiddie has lost his last 9 challenges. LOL.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 23, 2024, 02:11:04 AMExcellent ball game
Yup, that was a fun one. Just like 2 of our games, it came down to who wanted to win more. EDM still doesn't know how to win. WPG has forgotten how to win. TOR knows how to win.
Look what happens when 2 teams open up the playbooks. Every other team is taking 10-20 deep shots a game, and completing many. We take 2 deep shots if we're lucky, and have been missing more than half.
I don't mind the dink & dunk if the deep game is hopeless, but then we have to get 3 or 7 on nearly every single drive or we won't win against these chunk-play teams.
Oh ya, and Zach needs to work on that deep ball so we can get back to it. It's like 2016 Matt Nichols all over again... everything working except the deep ball. Took till 2018 for Matty to figure it out...
Rooting for the TiCats today.
Great game last night.
Edmonton contacting the kicker killed them at the end. Instead of starting on the 30+ with a chance to go for the win, they start inside their 10 with a minute less on the clock.
I think Edmonton is close if they can hang with Toronto. They could be fighting for the last playoff spot if they can figure out how to win close games.
Quote from: TBURGESS on June 23, 2024, 02:52:09 PMGreat game last night.
Edmonton contacting the kicker killed them at the end. Instead of starting on the 30+ with a chance to go for the win, they start inside their 10 with a minute less on the clock.
I think Edmonton is close if they can hang with Toronto. They could be fighting for the last playoff spot if they can figure out how to win close games.
Edmonton will need a run of wins before I start to believe they're anything more than what they've been for several years now. It's more likely than not this is another wasted season for them and they fire everyone after the season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2024, 06:23:46 AMThey both look exactly as good as when they were here. And Bailey is being targeted a heck of a lot more, more like a #2. Grant clearly hasn't lost "it". Too bad we didn't have the measly extra $25k or so each player would have required...
Brissett being out is a big loss for TOR and it screws up their ratio. That hi/lo hit did not look good. Bad luck. Could be a 6G.
Doesn't screw up their ratio at all. Nield is the reason, they traded Gittens Jr.
WOW ...what an empty cavern for a club who looks a lot better than us right now...I don't know what it will take for Torontonians to back their team...Even IF we keep losing I can't ever see our stadium resembling that 'big empty'...Our ex players looked like they still have lots left in the tank....good game by Bailey and Grant
Quote from: Jesse on June 23, 2024, 03:36:16 PMEdmonton will need a run of wins before I start to believe they're anything more than what they've been for several years now. It's more likely than not this is another wasted season for them and they fire everyone after the season.
There's not much difference between EDM, SASK and us, it will be a dog fight for the last playoff spot in the west.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 23, 2024, 06:23:46 AMThey both look exactly as good as when they were here. And Bailey is being targeted a heck of a lot more, more like a #2. Grant clearly hasn't lost "it". Too bad we didn't have the measly extra $25k or so each player would have required...
I don't think it would have taken an extra $25k each to resign either of them, Walters simply had to match last years salaries instead of asking them to take less and they likely would have re-signed. Don't believe he made offers to either of them as it's too embarrassing, "we like what you've done for us, but we want to offer you less for your services, how's minimum wage sound?"
Ya it wouldn't be that hard to watch Bailey if lawler and schoen were healthy and we were getting tds and winning football games but our 2 very high priced receivers are hurt ,we haven't scored a single passing TD and we haven't won any football games. Are the football gods trying to tell us something??!!
Riders killing the Tabbies. Bo forcing the ball and throwing picks. Bo fumbling also. He's responsible for at least three turnovers.
BLM is terrible. I don't k ow what Hamilton see s in this guy and why they're paying him a ton of cash, but he single handedly lost this game for them tonight.
Quote from: dd on June 24, 2024, 02:46:50 AMBLM is terrible. I don't k ow what Hamilton see s in this guy and why they're paying him a ton of cash, but he single handedly lost this game for them tonight.
Cameron Duke looking good making Chad Kelly expensive and expendable, where else could he go but down the road to Hammytown. They'd take him in.
Ti-Cats are sorely lacking leadership, no fire in their bellies, everyone playing for a paycheque and nothing more. Watching them go through the motions is painful, nobodies scared of Milanovich they need to bring Kent Austin back to rip some heads off.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on June 23, 2024, 03:51:04 PMDoesn't screw up their ratio at all. Nield is the reason, they traded Gittens Jr.
Oh! I forgot Nield was a NAT! My bad.
Quote from: dd on June 23, 2024, 04:09:36 PMThere's not much difference between EDM, SASK and us, it will be a dog fight for the last playoff spot in the west.
I know it is early, but really the difference is SASK is 3 - 0, and the bombers and Edmonton are 0 - 3. Being up early in the season helps, get some wins in to help stay ahead when things get interesting in the second half of the season.
Really like Bridges from Hamilton. Ouellette looked much better, but man the Hamilton D beat the crap out of him. My biggest concern is, can Harris last the season? That would be a massive blow to the Riders.
Quote from: jayrock on June 24, 2024, 01:26:39 PMI know it is early, but really the difference is SASK is 3 - 0, and the bombers and Edmonton are 0 - 3. Being up early in the season helps, get some wins in to help stay ahead when things get interesting in the second half of the season.
Riders are playing well and a 3-0 start is nice but holy kind schedule, Batman! It's hard to gauge when you've played Edm, and Hammy back-to-back and then get a bye. Wow! We could have used a schedule start like that. We won't see a bye until week 10 and have already played two of the best teams in the league.
I didn't expect the Riders to jell until the mid point of the season. This team could be the surprise of the CFL, They play TO and BC next and we will know better if they are for real after these games. ???
Quote from: bluebeard on June 24, 2024, 10:31:51 PMI didn't expect the Riders to jell until the mid point of the season. This team could be the surprise of the CFL, They play TO and BC next and we will know better if they are for real after these games. ???
I don't buy it, I think the Riders would lose to BC, Cgy, Tor or Mtl. if they played a team of that caliber this week. Next week we might be able to add Wpg. to that list.
Hey, has BLM always worn 19? I thought was 15 or something in CGY? I'm drawing a blank, but 19 doesn't seem right to me... Just a hunch.
Don't like to see Marcus Sayles getting concussed out of his cleats in 4th Q. He was key in our cup wins. He seems to be doing better for SSK after getting torched in week 1 & 2.
Smith is darn lucky that his cleat didn't stick to the turf on that hit or his leg would be bending backwards.
Scary moment.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 25, 2024, 05:08:25 AMDon't like to see Marcus Sayles getting concussed out of his cleats in 4th Q. He was key in our cup wins. He seems to be doing better for SSK after getting torched in week 1 & 2.
Smith is darn lucky that his cleat didn't stick to the turf on that hit or his leg would be bending backwards.
Scary moment.
I don't think he played in game one for the Riders.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 25, 2024, 06:43:46 AMI don't think he played in game one for the Riders.
Argh! Out-memoried again! And I thought I was pedantic! ;D ;D :o :o :o
Whenever I write "week 1 & 2" again, change it to "previous weeks". :P :P :P
Point remains: poor Marcus. The was the biggest bell-ring of the week.