Do the Bombers have something to prove in this game? Effort, injuries and opportunities all come into play in this game. With Kenny Lawler out and opportunity opens for Keric Wheatfall. Will Adam Bighill be able to go 100% in this game? Will the offence come together with a statement game?
Current list of injured players and status follows:
K. Lawler WR Out indefinitely - Upper Body
B. Oliveira RB Questionable Thursday - Knee
K. Samson DT Out Thursday - Undisclosed
J. Kelly DB Out Indefinitely - Elbow
T. Garbutt DE Out Indefinitely - Ankle
A. Bighill LB Available
R. Kramdi DB Available
On Adam Bighill...
"...His life is a book begging to be written, with his accomplishments on the field and his knowledge of the game also meaning he could likely walk right into a professional coaching gig if he so wanted.
Still, there are still more chapters to pen for Adam Bighill about his football exploits. Now 35, the veteran Winnipeg Blue Bombers linebacker — who is expected to be activated from the injured list for Thursday's game in Ottawa against the RedBlacks — still has the competitive juices racing through him like the Red River in the spring thaw.
"This is exciting. This is what I love," began (Adam) Bighill Tuesday after the Blue Bombers closed-to-the-media practice session. "I've been loving to compete and do this my entire life and so to be able to come out here and do that and show my hard work and what I work for — that's fun. I enjoy the training, but I enjoy the training so I can enjoy playing football...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/06/11/48-hour-primer-wpg-at-ott-3/
An important game to get back on track. Let's go Bombers!
Can't say I'm not a little nervous.
No Brady O - Augustine gets the start with Chris-Ike Smith backing up.
Bighill is back
Wheatfall in place of Lawler
Lineup
The fact Brady played last week seems kind of dumb. Could not do anything in training camp, plays a game in relative poor fashion, and now is out. Seems poor injury management there.
Good to see Biggie back in there. Hopefully it is the Biggie of yesteryears and now late last year.
Zach and the OL need to step up and make plays early on. Receivers need to get open and catch the ball for Zach. Is that to much to ask?
The D, more of the same please from last week.
Sergio won't be able to use that chipped balls excuse anymore...
Hopefully improvements on ST commence.
Go Bombers
Canadians: Oliveria out and Feltmate in. He's listed as a FB but think he'll mostly see duty on ST's.
Imports: Lawler out and Wheatfall in. Woods out and Bighill in.
Nothing against Ayers but wouldn't another DL be more useful in rotation? Ayers stats show 2 ST's.
Woods stats show 2 DT's but 3 TFL in his 1st game. I don't know how that adds up to only 2 DT's. Is that 5 tackles in total? It does show he saw reps on defence.
This is a big game for the Bombers to get some confidence - lots of new players so winning builds the team chemistry in a positive way. Ottawa should be a bit rusty and they haven't played a meaningful game yet so I do think the opportunity for the Bombers to win is there.
Starts and ends with QB and ZC needs to be better than last week.
If we were 100% sure Biggy could last the whole game, Woods would be better, but likely Bighill will be spelled off so Ayers is in
Don' t want a repeat of Olivera where he was put in too early and often and aggravated problems
Quote from: Pete on June 12, 2024, 03:16:31 PMIf we were 100% sure Biggy could last the whole game, Woods would be better, but likely Bighill will be spelled off so Ayers is in
Don' t want a repeat of Olivera where he was put in too early and often and aggravated problems
Did Ayers even get any reps on defence in the last game? Wilson and Cole were all over the field. Gauthier didn't show any stats either but was listed as starting at MLB.
I think Ayers showed well in pre season but am I surprised that it was Woods that came off instead.
Going to be a real test for our OL and Augustine to play well.
Will be interesting to see if Feltmate makes an impact on ST's in his 1st game as a Bomber.
Chris-Ike listed as a running back makes way more sense. Augustine will probably dominate the carries but Chris-Ike will get some chances I am sure.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2024, 03:55:43 PMChris-Ike listed as a running back makes way more sense. Augustine will probably dominate the carries but Chris-Ike will get some chances I am sure.
Again, it would be good if we get a commanding lead to get Chris-Ike a few reps. It wouldn't entirely surprise me to see a 2 RB set just to confuse the defence or at least give them something more to think about. Chris-Ike could be used as a receiver, just like Oliveria or Augustine a couple of times a game. He just needs to catch it this time.
LOL.
We do need to be less predictable with our running game. 1st down A gap runs less often maybe. Augustine is a little quicker than Oliveria so maybe we see a couple more sweeps?
Quote from: The Zipp on June 12, 2024, 03:15:21 PMStarts and ends with QB and ZC needs to be better than last week.
Collaros is only as good as the offensive line. The last 4 years that OL has been the best in the league and so has the QB, now that it is just OK, the QB is just good.
Chris-Ike took a lot of reps in practice and look very good. Has good size and excellent speed.
Feltmate is what I would consider a true FB. 6'2" 240, this kid has the size.
Wheatfall looked good in practice this week. I hope ZC* can get him the ball.
Nice having AB4 back in the middle.
This will be the second full game for our DBs so I am expecting them to play much better as a unit. Castillo has to be better, and we can't turnover the ball. I am looking for a much sharper ZC8.
Quote from: jayrock on June 12, 2024, 04:06:35 PMCollaros is only as good as the offensive line. The last 4 years that OL has been the best in the league and so has the QB, now that it is just OK, the QB is just good.
We'll see how the offensive line grades out after a few games. Collaros might need to play a little faster this year but it's a little pre-mature to suggest he'll regress at this point. Maybe, but if we're playing the maybe game, maybe he'll take all that experience and turn more into a cerebral pocket passer if that's what's required. Lots of QBs have done that later in their career.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 12, 2024, 04:16:50 PMA
We'll see how the offensive line grades out after a few games. Collaros might need to play a little faster this year but it's a little pre-mature to suggest he'll regress at this point. Maybe, if we're playing the maybe game, maybe he'll take all that experience and turn more into a cerebral pocket passer if that's what's required. Lots of QBs have done that later in their career.
I recall Ricky Ray in his later years getting the snot kicked out of him every game, it was painful to watch him take the punishment.
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Quote from: Blue In BC on June 12, 2024, 03:11:46 PMCanadians: Oliveria out and Feltmate in. He's listed as a FB but think he'll mostly see duty on ST's.
Imports: Lawler out and Wheatfall in. Woods out and Bighill in.
Nothing against Ayers but wouldn't another DL be more useful in rotation? Ayers stats show 2 ST's.
Woods stats show 2 DT's but 3 TFL in his 1st game. I don't know how that adds up to only 2 DT's. Is that 5 tackles in total? It does show he saw reps on defence.
I'd prefer to see them stick with the 7 man D-line rotation as well, especially since 4 of the 6 are true DT's. Thomas, Schmekel, Fox, Adams, Woods, Samson are all pushing 300 lbs. Adams is a listed as a temp. DE, but he ran out of juice after the first half last weekend. Guess they'll have to wait for Garbutt to return to balance it out a bit with Haba and Jefferson.
Looking forward to seeing Johnny Augustine have a big game. Biggie will get our front 7 on track and bring up the intensity, worried about our CB's though....
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 12, 2024, 05:24:02 PMI'd prefer to see them stick with the 7 man D-line rotation as well, especially since 4 of the 6 are true DT's. Thomas, Schmekel, Fox, Adams, Woods, Samson are all pushing 300 lbs. Adams is a listed as a temp. DE, but he ran out of juice after the first half last weekend. Guess they'll have to wait for Garbutt to return to balance it out a bit with Haba and Jefferson.
Another true defense end in rotation would be good. We'll see how they call things. There was a lot of week 1 variation across the league on defensive line rotation, for example:
Toronto had 8, including 2 designated national and 1 designated American
Montreal dressed 6
Calgary had 9
BC had 8
It doesn't tell the only story though because how it's called and how teams line up guys who are listed as linebackers also comes into play.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 12, 2024, 05:24:02 PMI'd prefer to see them stick with the 7 man D-line rotation as well, especially since 4 of the 6 are true DT's. Thomas, Schmekel, Fox, Adams, Woods, Samson are all pushing 300 lbs. Adams is a listed as a temp. DE, but he ran out of juice after the first half last weekend. Guess they'll have to wait for Garbutt to return to balance it out a bit with Haba and Jefferson.
It would be nice to have the depth at DE, but we do also rotate our LB's (mainly Cole and Gauthier) at DE on passing downs too.
Adams seems to be a very versatile and athletic DT. He can play DE on a passing down in a pinch.
Starting 9 True Nats again...
Bombers likely come out angry but I like Redblacks chances. Losing the field position battle has been a perennial problem for Bombers lately and the 2 rooks on the corners will be schemed for. Dru Brown is a better QB than Collaros at this stage of his career. If Bighill picks up where he left off last season (even before the injury) he is a liability as is Alexander at safety. I am a big fan of Johnny Augustine, and I can see Bombers running amok with Augustine-Strev-Demski. Ottawa won't expect that with Oliveira out. But with no kick return game, couple of brand new receivers and question marks over whether we get the good or bad Zach Collaros at QB, Bombers sadly on the downswing at least for the first half of the season ...
Quote from: LXTSN on June 12, 2024, 05:54:45 PMIt would be nice to have the depth at DE, but we do also rotate our LB's (mainly Cole and Gauthier) at DE on passing downs too.
Adams seems to be a very versatile and athletic DT. He can play DE on a passing down in a pinch.
Adams is quick. Watching him at practice, he moves very well for a big guy.
I did like what I saw from the rookie imports on defence in game 1. It will help if the offence and ST's keep the opponent off the field more often and improve field position.
Quote from: jayrock on June 12, 2024, 04:06:35 PMCollaros is only as good as the offensive line. The last 4 years that OL has been the best in the league and so has the QB, now that it is just OK, the QB is just good.
Let's not go that far
The O line had nothing to do with ZC overthrowing Lawler in the end zone for an easy TD.
Collaros needs to pull his boot straps up just like everybody else who had a sub par outting last game.
Quote from: dd on June 12, 2024, 10:22:51 PMThe O line had nothing to do with ZC overthrowing Lawler in the end zone for an easy TD.
Collaros needs to pull his boot straps up just like everybody else who had a sub par outting last game.
You'll see a better ZC next outing. He hasn't forgotten how to play. As the rust comes off this team and they get their mojo back they'll start rolling. This team has changed quite a bit and it's going to take some time for them to gel. Buck, Younger, and Miller will start figuring out what they have and how to use it. I'm not at all surprised by the slow start. I expect to see steady improvement and as long as they make the playoffs, anything can happen.
Quote from: dd on June 12, 2024, 10:22:51 PMThe O line had nothing to do with ZC overthrowing Lawler in the end zone for an easy TD.
Collaros needs to pull his boot straps up just like everybody else who had a sub par outting last game.
I'd debate whether it was over thrown or whether Lawler timed his jump too soon. Another 1/2 step and it's a TD. That was commented about during the broadcast.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 12, 2024, 04:31:38 PMI recall Ricky Ray in his later years getting the snot kicked out of him every game, it was painful to watch him take the punishment.
Mike Reilly as well.
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This line up is gross. They need to field the strongest roster possible. Nationalize eligible Americans. Ottawa is not as good as Montreal but they only have beat beat us, not embarrass them like Montreal did.
Hoping for a win, expecting a L.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 12:18:35 AMThis line up is gross. They need to field the strongest roster possible. Nationalize eligible Americans. Ottawa is not as good as Montreal but they only have beat beat us, not embarrass them like Montreal did.
Hoping for a win, expecting a L.
Thanks for the celebrity appearance twinkle toes.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 13, 2024, 12:29:42 AMThanks for the celebrity appearance twinkle toes.
Lol. Agreed 'gross' is harsh but if we keep losing and we're opting out of optimizing our roster using available ratio rules it will absolutely become fair criticism. Ottawa's doing it. We should be too. We've had a lot of success but you need to be relentless to stay at the top.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2024, 12:33:12 AMLol. Agreed 'gross' is harsh but if we keep losing and we're opting out of optimizing our roster using available ratio rules it will absolutely become fair criticism. Ottawa's doing it. We should be too. We've had a lot of success but you need to be relentless to stay at the top.
Agreed. I hope we win just we don't need to deal with the latest rift raft. ;)
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2024, 12:33:12 AMLol. Agreed 'gross' is harsh but if we keep losing and we're opting out of optimizing our roster using available ratio rules it will absolutely become fair criticism. Ottawa's doing it. We should be too. We've had a lot of success but you need to be relentless to stay at the top.
This is pro sports, have to use every tool in the box to be successful. Fans deserve the best football team they can possibly field.
Anything less is unacceptable.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 12:48:52 AMThis is pro sports, have to use every tool in the box to be successful. Fans deserve the best football team they can possibly field.
Anything less is unacceptable.
They know what they are doing. The recent track record proves as such.
Yeah I dress up for games and I ain't the type to judge things through blue coloured glasses. However your statements so far are mostly unwarranted while offering little to no substance.
They are using every tool in there tool box. Maybe just maybe give them another game or 2 so see if your opinions are validated. But you are new here so we understand. :)
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 13, 2024, 12:54:15 AMThey know what they are doing. The recent track record proves as such.
Yeah I dress up for games and I ain't the type to judge things through blue coloured glasses. However your statements so far are mostly unwarranted while offering little to no substance.
They are using every tool in there tool box. Maybe just maybe give them another game or 2 so see if your opinions are validated. But you are new here so we understand. :)
4 loses in row. You state they are using every tool in 'their' toolbox, guess how many other teams nationalize Americans according to the recent rule change?
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Now backup your statement. Who uses the rule? Who doesn't?
And BTW it's great you go to the games, it's a great fun packed day. That said if they don't field the best team and keep the ball rolling the 30k+ will be back down to 20-22k by 2026 and the 2025 GC may become a flop like 2015. Winning cures everything.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 01:16:54 AM4 loses in row. You state they are using every tool in 'their' toolbox, guess how many other teams nationalize Americans according to the recent rule change?
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Now backup your statement. Who uses the rule? Who doesn't?
I know you're just trying to get a rise but, for example, Montreal didn't use naturalized Americans last week in Winnipeg.
Doing so wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome in week one but optically and in principle O'Shea should be doing everything he can to get every bit out of the roster we have which isn't as dominate as past years without question.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 01:16:54 AM4 loses in row. You state they are using every tool in 'their' toolbox, guess how many other teams nationalize Americans according to the recent rule change?
It's not an opinion, it's a fact. Now backup your statement. Who uses the rule? Who doesn't?
And BTW it's great you go to the games, it's a great fun packed day. That said if they don't field the best team and keep the ball rolling the 30k+ will be back down to 20-22k by 2026 and the 2025 GC may become a flop like 2015. Winning cures everything.
Your consistent reference to 4 losses in a row means nothing. It's one loss. Your negativity and posts are not based on facts but a reaction to a bad loss. This organization has had the same people running in for many years with outstanding results. To suggest that we are not fielding our best options is an opinion based on no facts. We have routinely fielded a strong roster and shown the ability to deal with injuries and roster changes very well. Our team depth at a few positions isn't as strong as in the past due to salary cap issues from signing some necessary stars. It will work out. I expected a slow start but trust the process, management and coaches. I will not be worried until we continually struggle repeatedly or aspects of our game show confirmed trends weakness. I am sure if we could field a stronger roster by nationalizing Americans we would. Let's see what this week bring before we write the book on it. Perhaps try to contribute to the discussion, limiting your extreme views or starting stirring up an arguments with what you post. You can have a place here if you try to tone it down a touch.
You predictions or attendance have no merit. Hosting the Grey Cup will not be a flop. We will never dip down to average attendance of 20-22k in my opinion. Agree winning does cure all but there is a core group of fans that will support this club even if we don't win a single game, myself included. We have seen lean years before this dynasty like run. The constant has been and always will be unwavering support for the Bombers. Try hope, try patience and try balance in what you post.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 12:18:35 AMThis line up is gross. They need to field the strongest roster possible. Nationalize eligible Americans. Ottawa is not as good as Montreal but they only have beat beat us, not embarrass them like Montreal did.
Hoping for a win, expecting a L.
Rather than calling it gross perhaps comment on what your issues are with it and provide who or what you would do differently to improve it.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 13, 2024, 01:55:16 AMYour consistent reference to 4 losses in a row means nothing. It's one loss. Your negativity and posts are not based on facts but a reaction to a bad loss. This organization has had the same people running in for many years with outstanding results. To suggest that we are not fielding out best options is an opinion based on no facts. We have routinely fielded a strong roster and shown the ability to deal with injuries and roster changes very well. Our team depth at a few positions isn't as strong as in the past due to salary cap issues from signing some necessary stars. It will work out. I expected a slow start but trust the process, management and coaches. I will not be worried until we continually struggle repeatedly or aspects of our game show confirmed trends weakness. I am sure if we could field a stronger roster by nationalizing Americans we would. Let's see what this week bring before we write the book on it. Perhaps try to contribute to the discussion limiting your extreme views or starting stirring up an arguments with what you post.
You predictions or attendance have no merit. Hosting the Grey Cup will not be a flop. We will never dip down to average attendance of 20-22k in my opinion. Agree winning does cure all but there is a core group of fans that will support this club even if we don't win a single game, myself included. We have seen lean years before this dynasty like run. The constant has been and always will be unwavering support for the Bombers. Try hope, try patience and try balance in what you post.
Your prediction of attendance dipping holds no merit. Look at the 2013 days, it happens. 2015 Grey Cup had seats removed and still barely selling out after 'deals'.
Don't think for a second it can't happen again. That's how people get caught.
Not sure if you were old enough to remember the 2011 Swagerville days but the Stadium was packed and crazy, who would have thought 2 years later it would be a Gong Show?
Some people watch things happen, some people make things happen and some people wonder what the heck just happened.
They are playing too many Canadians. They don't have the national depth anymore. Look one province over and their empty stadium over the last few seasons.
Never say never, this could easily become a 6-12 season. You can't waste a single game in football. Losing creeps in and takes over.
That said, let's hope they regroup and dominate for 4 quarters tomorrow. If they made the right decisions, it will show.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 02:09:33 AMYour prediction of attendance dipping holds no merit. Look at the 2013 days, it happens. 2015 Grey Cup had seats removed and still barely selling out after 'deals'.
Don't think for a second it can't happen again. That's how people get caught.
Some people watch things happen, some people make things happen and some people wonder what the heck just happened.
They are playing too many Canadians. They don't have the national depth anymore. Look one province over and their empty stadium over the last few seasons.
Never say never, this could easily become a 6-12 season. You can't waste a single game in football. Losing creeps in and takes over.
The Grey Cup next year won't be a flop, full stop. We won't see average attendance of 20-22k as you suggest by 2026. Just because you think it might happen doesn't mean it will. The only thing your posts have consistently proven is your desire to push extreme positions not based on facts, reality or probable outcomes. Winning has really pushed our attendance to a strong upward trend. Yes losing consistently would impact sales. To suggest as big of drop off in a year or two is extreme.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 13, 2024, 02:17:21 AMThe Grey Cup next year won't be a flop, full stop. We won't see average attendance of 20-22k as you suggest by 2026. Just because you think it might happen doesn't mean it will. The only thing your posts have consistently proven is your desire to push extreme positions not based on facts, reality or probable outcomes. Winning has really pushed our attendance to a strong upward trend. Yes losing consistently would impact sales. To suggest as big of drop off in a year or two is extreme.
2011 Grey Cup appearance
2012 home opener sold out
2013 home opener. Sold out
2014 home opener. 24k.
2015 Grey Cup attendance reduced by almost 3500 seats.
History can and does repeat itself. I didn't 'think' those numbers. It happened.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 02:57:04 AM2011 Grey Cup appearance
2012 home opener sold out
2013 home opener. Sold out
2014 home opener. 24k.
2015 Grey Cup attendance reduced by almost 3500 seats.
History can and does repeat itself. I didn't 'think' those numbers. It happened.
Your opinion is that the Grey Cup in Winnipeg could be a flop, I don't think that's an accurate assumption. You think that by 2026 we will average 20 to 22k, which I believe is next to impossible. You information above have little to nothing to do with your predictions for 2025 and 2026.
You are clearly here to stir the pot, I'll now ignore you as much as possible, no point in playing your game any longer. You narrative is consistently negative and derails threads. I regret taking the bait.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 13, 2024, 03:38:32 AMYour opinion is that the Grey Cup in Winnipeg could be a flop, I don't think that's an accurate assumption. You think that by 2026 we will average 20 to 22k, which I believe is next to impossible. You information above have little to nothing to do with your predictions for 2025 and 2026.
You are clearly here to stir the pot, I'll now ignore you as much as possible, no point in playing your game any longer. You narrative is consistently negative and derails threads. I regret taking the bait.
Did you read the numbers? 'It happened recently so it can't happen again?' Is that your take? What's not accurate?
The 2015 GC was a flop. Look how fast the decline happened. It wasn't because they were winning, look at the Jets. Things happen in hurry.
Tougher economy, 70+ inch HD tv's are dirt cheap, every game on with food and drinks at home.
Everyone wants the team winning and the stands packed. It starts with the rostered players , having them prepared and taking advantage of every rule in the book. Give the team the best chance to win every snap. Everything else will take care of itself.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 12, 2024, 04:01:17 PMAgain, it would be good if we get a commanding lead to get Chris-Ike a few reps. It wouldn't entirely surprise me to see a 2 RB set just to confuse the defence or at least give them something more to think about.
Ya, many of us always wish for a 2 RB set, many times over the years, and we never get it. MOS/Buck just don't do it.
The closest thing to that, that I can remember, is the Zach+Strevie plus I'll assume Brady(?), all in at the same time in week 1.
We've really become the team that does almost zero trick plays, and very few "new" plays even. Ironic, because we used to be the #1 team for that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 12, 2024, 04:01:17 PMWe do need to be less predictable with our running game. 1st down A gap runs less often maybe. Augustine is a little quicker than Oliveria so maybe we see a couple more sweeps?
Ya, no kidding. We follow the same script nearly every time. Now, it works ok when AH33 or BO20 are getting 6-8 yards on that 1st down. But it sure bites rocks when BO is only getting 1-3 because our new OL is very weak on the run (so far) and/or he's injured.
Johnny isn't a power guy, so it could be even worse in week 2. If we send him up the A/B he'll probably get clobbered and very little yardage. We really will need some real creativity to be effective in this game. And pray that OTT still hasn't figured out which way is up.
OTT starting 4 NAT OL. Interesting.
Anyone have any idea how good their OL will be? Bull doesn't ring any bells for me... is he any good? Bladek can be hit & miss. Hogan is ok, Desjar is superb. Boyd seems to have been serviceable too.
I expect Dru to be bootlegging and scrambling a lot. He's pretty quick, and I think our DL is slower this year. If we leave the flat open, especially by SAM, it could be a loooong night of "free" 1st downs via Dru's legs.
I'm hoping Rhymes has "lost it". Addison scares me though: hopefully he hasn't had time to get any chemistry yet. And Acklin and Hardy are very good receivers.
In fact, on paper OTT looks pretty good. The only weak unit is the DB's I think. Thus I think it would behoove us to air it out a lot.
Looks like rain and possible t-storm for the game hours in OTT. Starts at 60% POP then moves up to 90% by 10pm ET.
This could result in a lightning delay, so tell your PVRs to record and extra couple of hours.
This could hurt our air game, and with BO20 out, we don't could be hurting for O yards. However, OTT is in an even bigger pickle than us, as their RBs are weak and their WR strong.
Maybe it'll come down to who is better in the sweeps! ;D
Strong feeling this will be a Bombers Win. Keep the faith!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 13, 2024, 06:02:24 AMYa, many of us always wish for a 2 RB set, many times over the years, and we never get it. MOS/Buck just don't do it.
The closest thing to that, that I can remember, is the Zach+Strevie plus I'll assume Brady(?), all in at the same time in week 1.
We've really become the team that does almost zero trick plays, and very few "new" plays even. Ironic, because we used to be the #1 team for that.
Ya, no kidding. We follow the same script nearly every time. Now, it works ok when AH33 or BO20 are getting 6-8 yards on that 1st down. But it sure bites rocks when BO is only getting 1-3 because our new OL is very weak on the run (so far) and/or he's injured.
Johnny isn't a power guy, so it could be even worse in week 2. If we send him up the A/B he'll probably get clobbered and very little yardage. We really will need some real creativity to be effective in this game. And pray that OTT still hasn't figured out which way is up.
So my gut instinct is to roll my eyes at this comment (a. Because I think 2 rb sets aren't effective and b. because our offence has been so successful). But in the coaches show this week, they were talking about Montreal's flea flicker and MOS scoffed and said he "never expect those to work".
And I found myself again lamenting the loss of the coach that MOS used to be. When he was in Toronto, and in the early days here, there would be so many plays - mostly on special teams - that made everyone get up out of their seat. You'd have to watch a replay 5 times just to figure out what happened. It's been a long time since that happened.
With the obvious caveat that we've been so much more successful in recent years than in the "old days" when MOS was using more trickery.
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Injuries to Lawler and Oliveira are almost comedic. Our two highest paid players (QB notwithstanding) out in week one?
I continue not to understand our desire to underman our DL and overload our LBs. We're watching DLs on other teams just take over games in the 2nd half. Every other team is going into games with 8+ DL and we're forcing our starters to practically play every snap. Guess who's gassed in the second half? Especially if our injury riddled (with multiple new starters to begin with) offence struggles to stay on the field again.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 11:50:15 AMInjuries to Lawler and Oliveira are almost comedic. Our two highest paid players (QB notwithstanding) out in week one?
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 11:50:15 AMInjuries to Lawler and Oliveira are almost comedic. Our two highest paid players (QB notwithstanding) out in week one?
I continue not to understand our desire to underman our DL and overload our LBs. We're watching DLs on other teams just take over games in the 2nd half. Every other team is going into games with 8+ DL and we're forcing our starters to practically play every snap. Guess who's gassed in the second half? Especially if our injury riddled (with multiple new starters to begin with) offence struggles to stay on the field again.
I continue not to understand our desire to underman our DL and overload our LBs. We're watching DLs on other teams just take over games in the 2nd half. Every other team is going into games with 8+ DL and we're forcing our starters to practically play every snap. Guess who's gassed in the second half? Especially if our injury riddled (with multiple new starters to begin with) offence struggles to stay on the field again.
Our D-line and rotation were the key to our dominance in '19 and '21. Other teams followed suit and we abandoned it.
Look for Zach to be under constant pressure and Dru to get free for some big plays. Especially late in the game.
Ottawa comes back to win in a squeaker.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 11:50:15 AMInjuries to Lawler and Oliveira are almost comedic. Our two highest paid players (QB notwithstanding) out in week one?
I continue not to understand our desire to underman our DL and overload our LBs. We're watching DLs on other teams just take over games in the 2nd half. Every other team is going into games with 8+ DL and we're forcing our starters to practically play every snap. Guess who's gassed in the second half? Especially if our injury riddled (with multiple new starters to begin with) offence struggles to stay on the field again.
We have found success last year with lots of LBs. We will rotate them well. Yes rotation on the DL would also be good but with the bodies dress we will have a reasonable rotation as well. An interesting debate on which group should have more bodies. I trust the coaches on this one.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 10:54:30 AMSo my gut instinct is to roll my eyes at this comment (a. Because I think 2 rb sets aren't effective and b. because our offence has been so successful). But in the coaches show this week, they were talking about Montreal's flea flicker and MOS scoffed and said he "never expect those to work".
And I found myself again lamenting the loss of the coach that MOS used to be. When he was in Toronto, and in the early days here, there would be so many plays - mostly on special teams - that made everyone get up out of their seat. You'd have to watch a replay 5 times just to figure out what happened. It's been a long time since that happened.
With the obvious caveat that we've been so much more successful in recent years than in the "old days" when MOS was using more trickery.
I've also been thinking about this. We haven't seen a good trick play in sometime now. I loved that one by Leggett where he was returning, but the other returner signaled like he was getting the ball, everyone went to that side & Moe had a clear 50 yards. Fooled everyone in the stands too, lol.
I do think we'll be doing something right away (today?) with that 2 QB thing. Also I wonder if anyone else is going to try that catch & kick on 2nd & long like Montreal did a couple times?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 13, 2024, 06:06:51 AMOTT starting 4 NAT OL. Interesting.
Anyone have any idea how good their OL will be? Bull doesn't ring any bells for me... is he any good? Bladek can be hit & miss. Hogan is ok, Desjar is superb. Boyd seems to have been serviceable too.
I expect Dru to be bootlegging and scrambling a lot. He's pretty quick, and I think our DL is slower this year. If we leave the flat open, especially by SAM, it could be a loooong night of "free" 1st downs via Dru's legs.
I'm hoping Rhymes has "lost it". Addison scares me though: hopefully he hasn't had time to get any chemistry yet. And Acklin and Hardy are very good receivers.
In fact, on paper OTT looks pretty good. The only weak unit is the DB's I think. Thus I think it would behoove us to air it out a lot.
He was the first overall pick in 2023, out of Fresno State. His backup was the second overall pick in 2022.
2 RB sets may not be a Bomber trade mark, yet, but I think we may be the only team to have used 2 QB sets multiple times this year.
We have a veteran speed RB, a rookie pounding RB, a veteran SB/RB threat in Demski, and a Streveler who evades definition.
I think Buck has a lot of run game tools at his disposal, and I truly hope he keeps the "Jet Sweep" in his pocket tonight. "Jet Sweep" is not a term we should be using in Winnipeg, or even "Out in 5"...
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 10:54:30 AMSo my gut instinct is to roll my eyes at this comment (a. Because I think 2 rb sets aren't effective and b. because our offence has been so successful). But in the coaches show this week, they were talking about Montreal's flea flicker and MOS scoffed and said he "never expect those to work".
And I found myself again lamenting the loss of the coach that MOS used to be. When he was in Toronto, and in the early days here, there would be so many plays - mostly on special teams - that made everyone get up out of their seat. You'd have to watch a replay 5 times just to figure out what happened. It's been a long time since that happened.
With the obvious caveat that we've been so much more successful in recent years than in the "old days" when MOS was using more trickery.
Didn't listen to the show but he's not wrong. It's gimmicky and low percentage play even when executed well. Montreal called it with the lead thinking if they had to punt there their defense was looking good. There's a reason you don't see it very often and there's no correlation between teams than run the flea flicker hail mary well and championship winning football.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 10:54:30 AMSo my gut instinct is to roll my eyes at this comment (a. Because I think 2 rb sets aren't effective and b. because our offence has been so successful). But in the coaches show this week, they were talking about Montreal's flea flicker and MOS scoffed and said he "never expect those to work".
And I found myself again lamenting the loss of the coach that MOS used to be. When he was in Toronto, and in the early days here, there would be so many plays - mostly on special teams - that made everyone get up out of their seat. You'd have to watch a replay 5 times just to figure out what happened. It's been a long time since that happened.
With the obvious caveat that we've been so much more successful in recent years than in the "old days" when MOS was using more trickery.
In TO the other team had to spend time preparing for what MOS would do as a special teams coach.
Now they struggle to cover a simple punt, of course having a normal punter with a strong leg could solve a lot of the issues but that is somehow out of reach.
Rostering a pile of LB's to cover kicks is not working. But, let's keep trying to pound that round peg....
Collaros needs to up his game if Bombers expect to win.
Hoping to see Strev throw some completions.
Looking forward to seeing what Johnny A can do.
I hope I am wrong but Bombers have lost 3 in a row if you count the exhibition games ...
So would not surprise me to see Ottawa beat the odds and steal this one.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 04:05:11 PMIn TO the other team had to spend time preparing for what MOS would do as a special teams coach.
Now they struggle to cover a simple punt, of course having a normal punter with a strong leg could solve a lot of the issues but that is somehow out of reach.
Rostering a pile of LB's to cover kicks is not working. But, let's keep trying to pound that round peg....
New ST coach needs to find his lane. Miller was thee GOAT on the field, coaching is different by a long shot. His development in that is going to be something we need patience with.
Sheahan has improved his conventional spiral kicking, and will mix that in with his 25 Aussie kicks. Its going to take a bit of live fire reps to get everything ironed out.
MOS is also available should Miller need some assistance, but I don't think MOS would wade in all that quick, he seems to give his coaches a lot of leash.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 13, 2024, 04:56:31 PMNew ST coach needs to find his lane. Miller was thee GOAT on the field, coaching is different by a long shot. His development in that is going to be something we need patience with.
Sheahan has improved his conventional spiral kicking, and will mix that in with his 25 Aussie kicks. Its going to take a bit of live fire reps to get everything ironed out.
MOS is also available should Miller need some assistance, but I don't think MOS would wade in all that quick, he seems to give his coaches a lot of leash.
Special teams have been an issue since Medlock left. He was the straw that stirred the drink. Covered many issues. The return game without Grant is non existent. MOS has lost the handle.
The Aussie gimmick is just that, he is not a rookie, took and illegal punt penalty and one was for a net of around 10 or less. Need to be able to boom it when needed.
I seen better punting, distance, placement and hang time at the high school level from a few young players this past season. I wish I was kidding, but I am not. Leg strength is a huge issue.
They should seriously look at taking a safety anytime they need to punt inside their own 20. Especially into a breeze of any sort.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 05:43:23 PMSpecial teams have been an issue since Medlock left. He was the straw that stirred the drink. Covered many issues. The return game without Grant is non existent. MOS has lost the handle.
The Aussie gimmick is just that, he is not a rookie, took and illegal punt penalty and one was for a net of around 10 or less. Need to be able to boom it when needed.
I seen better punting, distance, placement and hang time at the high school level from a few young players this past season. I wish I was kidding, but I am not. Leg strength is a huge issue.
They should seriously look at taking a safety anytime they need to punt inside their own 20. Especially into a breeze of any sort.
Do you have selective memory? Medlock's punting was usually effective and statistically had good net but he never "boomed" them. Placement was good and directionally he excelled which are the same adjectives I would use to describe Sheehan.
And if we're being fair, Sheehan's punting looks much improved. He's getting them away far faster than last year and he has a deeper kick in the toolbox.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2024, 06:48:36 PMDo you have selective memory? Medlock's punting was usually effective and statistically had good net but he never "boomed" them. Placement was good and directionally he excelled which are the same adjectives I would use to describe Sheehan.
And if we're being fair, Sheehan's punting looks much improved. He's getting them away far faster than last year and he has a deeper kick in the toolbox.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2024, 06:48:36 PMDo you have selective memory? Medlock's punting was usually effective and statistically had good net but he never "boomed" them. Placement was good and directionally he excelled which are the same adjectives I would use to describe Sheehan.
And if we're being fair, Sheehan's punting looks much improved. He's getting them away far faster than last year and he has a deeper kick in the toolbox.
Medlock could boom them when needed, that kept the returner back then he would use his superb placement to pin them and or have them so unbalanced they would just hit the dirt. He was one of the best.
Comparing JS to Medlock is laughable. Like I said, go watch some high school games in the fall and you will see a better punter or two.
He needs to really improve to be average. We need better than average.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 07:17:55 PMMedlock could boom them when needed, that kept the returner back then he would use his superb placement to pin them and or have them so unbalanced they would just hit the dirt. He was one of the best.
Comparing JS to Medlock is laughable. Like I said, go watch some high school games in the fall and you will see a better punter or two.
He needs to really improve to be average. We need better than average.
Trolls will troll.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 13, 2024, 07:22:39 PMTrolls will troll.
I am actually shocked at the amount of people who still think this is a dominant team. We need to bring back excellence in every phase of the game. Serviceable is not good enough.
Mediocrity has crept in, the team can still be good if they are willing to make the changes like Montreal did last season. Keep improving every position each and every week and peak at the end.
If not, their record will not be close to the last two seasons. They don't have the horses right now.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 08:10:55 PMI am actually shocked at the amount of people who still think this is a dominant team. We need to bring back excellence in every phase of the game. Serviceable is not good enough.
Mediocrity has crept in, the team can still be good if they are willing to make the changes like Montreal did last season. Keep improving every position each and every week and peak at the end.
If not, their record will not be close to the last two seasons. They don't have the horses right now.
We don't know what this team is yet, it's been one game.
Coming on here - with zero recent history - and saying everything is rotten is troll behavior. Take a breath, a step back, and settle on a few select pints to make. Maybe people will be more receptive.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 09:06:37 PMWe don't know what this team is yet, it's been one game.
Coming on her - with zero recent history - and saying everything is rotten is troll behaviour. Take a breath, a step back, and settle on a few select pints to make. Maybe people will be more receptive.
Yeah have to agree - way to early to jump off the bridge. Let's see how things evolve over time. Way too early to get all bent out of shape.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 08:10:55 PMI am actually shocked at the amount of people who still think this is a dominant team. We need to bring back excellence in every phase of the game. Serviceable is not good enough.
Mediocrity has crept in, the team can still be good if they are willing to make the changes like Montreal did last season. Keep improving every position each and every week and peak at the end.
If not, their record will not be close to the last two seasons. They don't have the horses right now.
yes we know you've made that point about 5 times now. It is called trolling. Mods please get involved it is getting insufferable.
Quote from: Jesse on June 13, 2024, 09:06:37 PMWe don't know what this team is yet, it's been one game.
Coming on here - with zero recent history - and saying everything is rotten is troll behavior. Take a breath, a step back, and settle on a few select pints to make. Maybe people will be more receptive.
Select a fews Pints lol. I agree 100%.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 13, 2024, 09:29:51 PMyes we know you've made that point about 5 times now. It is called trolling. Mods please get involved it is getting insufferable.
I am not trolling, I am sharing my take on the team just like you. I believe they are trending in the wrong direction.
Tonight will show us what they are made of, it's not always unicorns and rainbows in pro sports. Let's hope for 4 solid quarters of football and a dominant performance from the team as we have experienced for the last 4 years.
As the great Cal Murphy said, this is the CFL. You don't rebuild, you reload.
Hopefully the D can play like last week, well at least the front 7
We'll need a better effort from the hoggies, open up holes & protect Zach
Also hoping ZC looks more comfortable, and is able to find guys
The newbies cannot be a non factor
Quote from: Road Griller on June 13, 2024, 09:49:15 PMI am not trolling, I am sharing my take on the team just like you. I believe they are trending in the wrong direction.
Tonight will show us what they are made of, it's not always unicorns and rainbows in pro sports. Let's hope for 4 solid quarters of football and a dominant performance from the team as we have experienced for the last 4 years.
As the great Cal Murphy said, this is the CFL. You don't rebuild, you reload.
There is no trend yet other than they are coming off multiple Grey Cup appearances.
Lets do this boys!
Great play by Ford - good recovery and knock out
Haba looking really hurt
Haba down
Way to start no DL
Dammit
Willie looked lost on the run by Addison
Looks like Haba's knee
Calling Oakman right now
Good pressure by Willy...great play by Bighill
Penalties brutal. Guess we needed more than 4 hours of practice between games
Good stop. Kramdi made a nice play.
Almost picked off
This is Kramdi's team now
C'mon, Lofton. You need to grow a beard like the rest of the OL.
Wasn't open...then too high
Decent punt
Poor tackling
Brandon Alexander - what are you doing ?
Matt said "bad intentions"
Take a shot!
Adam sack!
Nice
Adams has a motor
Sack!!
Way under threw him.
Myron Mitchell is not the answer as a returner, he is letting the ball hit the ground before fielding it, he did this in the Mtl game as well, you HAVE to catch the ball in the air!!!
Drew drops a sure first down, now punt ***.
Wheatfall was open.
Woli???
Practice, practice
Wow what poor tackling, glad I picked Ott.
We look like we're playing to lose.
MOS needs to rip these guys a new one at this point.
If this keeps up not only will we lose this game, but we will be last in the west div.
We have no run defence this game.
3rd and 1 from the gun and they convert
Really not surprised so far. The cracks are caverns
Bloody aweful
This is looking like a repeat of last week, we are in trouble this year.
Our cover teams are horrendous again.
Mitchell has one gear...not a burner from what I have seen
We back to 2013 bombers
Feck these WRs
Would be nice to have receivers that could catch. One, 1, Uno, first down!!!!
Course all the trolls show up to lend a hand. Bravo!
Scared of running Augustine??
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 12:10:26 AMCourse all the trolls show up to lend a hand. Bravo!
No trolls yet, just horrendous execution by the Bombers, can't drink this pretty.
The plays are there but the WRS are terrible.
Maybe Woli should focus on football more than his guitar playing.
Dominated 5 quarters in a row now. Let's see if they can stop it from being 6.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 12:12:50 AMNo trolls yet, just horrendous execution by the Bombers, can't drink this pretty.
Not you.
Way too early thoughts:
We should probably sign Oakman
Should be looking at punters...
Mitchell is not the answer. Try other guys, sign Worthy, do something
I'm going to give the receivers a bit of a pass for now with the rain, but i hope we're not afraid to sub guys dropping balls.
Ford should not be starting
To much time for Brown.
Is Dunnigan drunk?
ST is a joke. Eh Miller, do something.
CATCH THE ****** BALL IN THE AIR OR GET OUT!!
Wheatfall is a leave in the wind.
Run
The
Ball
Not sure that was PI
This is a comedy of errors.
f this
It's all rainbows and unicorns.....
Ball don't lie I guess
Really need to run the ball
2 first downs so far, 1 via penalty. Who is the guy wearing #8 and what has he done with Zack?
What additional info was given to Dyce?
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 12:21:21 AMBall don't lie I guess
Really need to run the ball
Is 2nd and 8 much better than 2nd and 10?
Wow, where is our run defence?
Bombers have played it cocky roster wise and we are seeing the outcome. Where's this leadership we hear about? MOS looks like a deer in headlights.
We kept the wrong QB.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 12:21:54 AMWhat additional info was given to Dyce?
My guess the ruling on the field would have been incomplete looked like the ball hit the ground and assisted the catch. Guess he didn't feel a challenge was worth the 10 yards that the penalty gave up.
Is this a new rule for a challenge? I've never seen that before you can get additional information and not get charged with a challenge
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 12:22:52 AMWow, where is our run defence?
non existent. Turns out Fox, Schmekel and Thomas isn't a good DT room
Brown making it look to easy, I guess we should have kept him.
I'm not being a negative nelly here but maybe put in #17 to get some offence going.
We are lucky it is only 13 zip and not 21.
Browns not doing anything too spectacular. The difference is our incredible ineptitude on offence and Special Teams.
If this drive doesn't go anywhere... it might be time to give Strev a look
Not pinning this all on 8 obvs. But he hasn't been sharp in either game so far
willy looks tired already
Willy lost contain on the last throw and then just gave up running.
Dunigan has zero clue
zack is getting happy feet and starting to panic when his first read is not open.
Kick a field goal
No chip = 3 points
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 12:31:45 AMDunigan has zero clue
like I said I think he drinks
3 first downs so far, 1 via penalty.
Quote from: barbk on June 14, 2024, 12:28:00 AMI'm not being a negative nelly here but maybe put in #17 to get some offence going.
Something different, at least.
I know we want to put in Strev in 2nd and short situations, but we cant even get there.
Give 17 a look to start the 2nd half. Zach isn't comfortable at all right now.
Annnnnnnd that's another Ott first down.
Dunnigan laughable
2 and out. Kramdi looking to take someone's head off.
Now will #0 catch the ball in the air
Biggie has been solid
Adams has been very good
Hospital ball by dru brown
Too bad MOS will never pull Zach, leaving him out to rot is not doing him any favours.
17 is ready to take this team over, give him the chance.
Mitchell is useless
mitchell doesnt know what hes doing out there
Dunigan realizing he stinks...
Nic atta boy!
Biggest play of the season
I think we need to go and get Worthy if he is still available now that we have some cap room with Lawler out with a broken arm and ribs.
1st and Goal
so why throw a 30 yd pass?
TOUCHDOWN
Atta boy Johnny.
Heeeeeeres johnnnny
What do you think of that troll?
No chip = convert is good
Great push back, now come
On D!!!!
Phew, TD, thank god for Nic Demski on that catch.
Could only kick it to the 21 after the TD!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 12:36:26 AMDunnigan laughable
I hear ya, he's made a few gaffs tonite. I had to rewind to watch that play when both Collaros and Streveler were on the field because he misspoke.
I'd still rather listen to him than most on color though.
here we go again leaving loads of room from our corners.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 12:51:42 AMhere we go again leaving loads of room from our corners.
Is it a rookie thing afraid to get burned for the big gain?
Running through us like **** though a goose.
looks like were going with smeckle and thomas inside, no wonder they can run
Lack of DL subs is showing now.
Corners giving up room and then whiff on the tackle.
Don't assume the RBs will be getting points here Matty.
Dru looks far more poised than Zach
Very impressed with Kramdi
Kramdi has Been great
Its Kramdi's defence
I think it was Bonds who missed the tackle on the play called back by penalty
Kramdi!!!!!
could we not have called a timeout?
take the ball on the 40 and then let it rip deep, hope for a penalty, nope lets kneel down like cowards.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 12:55:22 AMKramdi has Been great
Yup - Kramdi has been all over the place.
Why no call a timeout? You get the ball at the 40 no??
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 12:56:45 AMtake the ball on the 40 and then let it rip deep, hope for a penalty, nope lets kneel down like cowards.
Don't like not taking a shot for a Hail Mary, don't know that there's is much risk.
Quote from: Pete on June 14, 2024, 12:56:34 AMcould we not have called a timeout?
Was yelling the same thing - just lazy coaching
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 12:21:54 AMWhat additional info was given to Dyce?
Time traveller from the future told him the next play was gonna be a pick?
So far this season Zack has thrown 2 ints to 0 TD passes.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 01:00:47 AMTime traveller from the future told him the next play was gonna be a pick?
Nicely done...slow clap!!
Why does Younger play from down on the sidelines? Our DCs have played from the booth for like forever now.
I find the booth ones tend to be more effective than the field ones. However, the field ones are often more of a "player's coach" -- wanna be with the guys.
What I wonder is how on earth can you really see everything that's going on from the field? Surely you miss some of the hidden stuff.
Quote from: barbk on June 14, 2024, 12:24:03 AMIs this a new rule for a challenge? I've never seen that before you can get additional information and not get charged with a challenge
They've done this for several years now. It's not common -- maybe a couple/few games a year?
Bombers with only 4 rushing plays? Really need a KR. Wow.
TSN panel should stick to talking about football and forget the haha with the stupid suit contest.
I was concerned only dressing 6 D-linemen after last year.....We loose Habba and /fox and now we have no rotation, and guys exhausted....
I can not understand how/why we insist on hampering our team with shorting ourselves along the D-line...With 6 guys we got great pressure, now with Thomas and Schmec playing every down an exhausted Willy and an interior guy in Adams outside all Ott. needs to do is right it right at us and completely tire us out....
I didn't see Nichols on the field the couple of plays for Ottawa????
Nichols - out
Haha - out
Fox - out
Make the call to oakman
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 12:31:09 AMWilly lost contain on the last throw and then just gave up running.
Willy doing Willy things. He takes some plays/games off. We realized this years ago. But it's generally worth it as it keeps him healthy and he turns on the jets for the playoffs.
So Fox, Haba, and Nichols out.
our return game sucks
Nichols out is a huge loss
The return game is a bit painful to watch. We clearly don't have someone that is comfortable taking chances going east/west to extend, and I get that if someone isn't used to return - just protect and go forward.
Sure hurts not having someone that can bust it loose.
That will be our excuse for not playing well, but what happened to next man up? Key players out is going to hurt us big time.
Country club pre-season = major errors and injuries.
Week 2 and still not prepared.
wow, only 4 DL left.
Generous spot?
Wow. Didn't think he was even close when he was down.
can we not show any creativity
Let's see 17 MOS. Do something.....
What a punt! At least something is going right for ST
Collaros could have got that off. He triple clutched and got sacked. There were several receivers open. Looking a little trigger shy...
Ott will now start running it down our throat.
Nothing there but he still gets 8 yards.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 01:16:42 AMCollaros could have got that off. He triple clutched and got sacked. There were several receivers open. Looking a little trigger shy...
Not playing in the pre season along with the number 1 offence was a huge coaching blunder.
Going to cost us the season.
Paging a run defence...
Bombers DB's do not know how to tackle or are unwilling to do it.
any time karamoko is in, its a first down ottawa, they just throw the out
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 01:18:54 AMNot playing in the pre season along with the number 1 offence was a huge coaching blunder.
Going to cost us the season.
Dramatic much?
You are losing credibility with comments like that. You don't lose a season because of a pre season game. That excuse is long done.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 01:16:42 AMCollaros could have got that off. He triple clutched and got sacked. There were several receivers open. Looking a little trigger shy...
And I saw Pat Neufeld leave his guy and that was the big hole for ZC to get sacked.
That looks like an illegal punt out of bounds.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 01:18:54 AMNot playing in the pre season along with the number 1 offence was a huge coaching blunder.
Going to cost us the season.
Let's step back from the ledge. Not playing in preseason could cost a few games early in the season.
If the season is lost, it's not because our HOF qb that has led us to 4 consecutive grey cup appearances didn't play in the preseason.
There's more to blame if that happens.
Quote from: barbk on June 14, 2024, 01:22:15 AMAnd I saw Pat Neufeld leave his guy and that was the big hole for ZC to get sacked.
Yes, and our centre #67 did not pick anyone up just stood there.
Schoen isnt getting any separation, feels like he lost a step
Quote from: barbk on June 14, 2024, 01:22:15 AMAnd I saw Pat Neufeld leave his guy and that was the big hole for ZC to get sacked.
That was really odd looking
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:20:50 AMDramatic much?
You are losing credibility with comments like that. You don't lose a season because of a pre season game. That excuse is long done.
Came out unprepared as the HC said after the first game and it will take weeks to catch up.
Everyone else if firing on all cylinders. I said there is a possibility of a 6-12 season and people scoffed. They need to win today. Must win in week 2? You bet.
Credibility? The proof is on the field.
Well there you #88
Okay here we go
How does he not score ???
Run to the pylon wheatfall
I was gonna say why not do a pass, but what do I know. It worked.
STREVELER!!!
Strev is a bull - that was a long two yards
Now please make a stop D!!
Quote from: Pete on June 14, 2024, 01:24:48 AMSchoen isnt getting any separation, feels like he lost a step
we should nickname castillo "chips"
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 12:47:46 AMAtta boy Johnny.
That was a great TD run for Johnny! (Sorry, I'm 40 mins behind)
Early first contact, and running through 3 defenders. That was a very hard power run. I'm very impressed.
The funny thing is I was screaming at the screen because I was sure they were going to pass into the EZ. I think OTT was thinking the same thing.
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 01:29:01 AMI was gonna say why not do a pass, but what do I know. It worked.
STREVELER!!!
I wanted him to run the boot...but what do I know ?
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:26:34 AMHow does he not score ???
instead of going to the sideline he went back toward the centre of the field and the pursuit caught up to him.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:29:02 AMStrev is a bull - that was a long two yards
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:29:02 AMStrev is a bull - that was a long two yards
Exactly. That was a lot of faith in Strev right there.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:27:20 AMRun to the pylon wheatfall
I said the same thing! It's on Zach for underthrowing it, but that was a hide mistake after the catch.
good coverage that time on the KO.
Here comes the run now.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:26:34 AMHow does he not score ???
Ehhh he still beat his guy clean and got open. We def need that with Lawler out. Can forgive the yac haha
I have a theory: Mardner is really Mariner from last year, he just changed 1 letter in his name so they can still pay him ELC.
:o :o :o
Ott should go quick tempo to tire our DL out.
Not a catch!
I read the comments on Matty, but Rod is clearly having brain farts tonite as well.
Quote from: Pete on June 14, 2024, 01:24:48 AMSchoen isnt getting any separation, feels like he lost a step
I'd be willing to bet Schoen is nicked right now. He looks like he's limping around half the time
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 01:34:03 AMI read the comments on Matty, but Rod is clearly having brain farts tonite as well.
They both stink. No other way to put it
Holy crap - not even close to a catch, didn't even secure and it rolled on the ground.
No brainer.
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 01:35:22 AMHoly crap - not even close to a catch, didn't even secure and it rolled on the ground.
No brainer.
Blind person could have called that.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:34:55 AMThey both stink. No other way to put it
Agreed - both are off tonite. Based on history I'm fine with giving Matty some grace, at least more than Rod.
Finally something more than just run into the pile.
Bobby chewing #13 out for that!
Wouldn't want to show the penalty
Wow lots of Redblacks wearing toques.... is it that cold after the rain? And they talk about Winnipeg weather
Zack 3 ints 0 td passes.
We kept the wrong QB.
trying to force it in to schoen
Do we even practice ??
No excuse for burning that first down play like that
MOS needs to play 17.
have to question how we evaluate talent..mitchell cant return, wilson is invisible
I think you let that go into the end zone
That's just a bad throw. Does MOS have the stones to pull ZC?
Quote from: Pete on June 14, 2024, 01:41:48 AMhave to question how we evaluate talent..mitchell cant return, wilson is invisible
And Mitchell never returned in the preseason, so it seems as if he was just gifted the role - like so many others.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 01:42:02 AMThat's just a bad throw. Does MOS have the stones to pull ZC?
Nope, he left Willy out there long after he was cooked. 17 is ready to go, just needs the ball.
I was hoping we'd see Chris-Ike
Time of Possession is unreal.....
better run by Augustine.but he cant break a tackle
You had to know they would blitz on that 2nd down.
Can't handle the blitz without Brady O
8 can't escape pressure anymore.
You can read the writing on the wall...Lewis ward kicks a game winning FG.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 01:44:01 AMNope, he left Willy out there long after he was cooked. 17 is ready to go, just needs the ball.
Man, what about 17 makes you think he's going to do any better?
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 01:16:42 AMCollaros could have got that off. He triple clutched and got sacked. There were several receivers open. Looking a little trigger shy...
He's consistently getting his 2.7s in the pocket (both games). He's being cautious, and I'm not sure why. OTT isn't a ballhawk team like MTL.
Give him some dump options if his internal clock goes past 2.7 and his deep reads aren't to his liking.
Plus, every shot to the EZ he seems to wait way too long to determine "openness" and then the defenders catch up and beat our guys on the 50/50. You need to throw to a spot / timing route, and just trust your R's to be there.
We have no answers on a blitz
I've said for a while we need to develop a short passing game, with Zac its go long or go home DO we ever throw a ball to the flats like every team does against us?
Quote from: Jesse on June 14, 2024, 01:49:56 AMMan, what about 17 makes you think he's going to do any better?
He can escape pressure at least. 8 is in slow motion now. Father Time is undefeated.
like I said to the flats whenever karamoke is in
McGee isn't Nichols
This feels like the mid 2000s
Too easy.
Dyce showing OShea how its done
And Evan Holm no where near Hardy
A Dru Brown bobble head would have been nice...
This Bombers team is showing their age right now. Osh is holding too long with the vets. Add the fact that he is poor in gameday roster management.
0-2 here we come.
Too much for not playing the vets in pre-season so they are healthy when the score matters. Our injury roster is growing every week.
Quote from: Jesse on June 14, 2024, 01:49:56 AMMan, what about 17 makes you think he's going to do any better?
There is no sense talking to stupid.
Gut check time Bombers (Zack)!
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 14, 2024, 01:57:14 AMThis Bombers team is showing their age right now. Osh is holding too long with the vets. Add the fact that he is poor in gameday roster management.
0-2 here we come.
agreed start no DL and get shredded on the ground. What a shocker.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 01:57:58 AMThere is no sense talking to stupid.
Who stole Zach's Mojo?
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 01:58:12 AMGut check time Bombers (Zack)!
No to mention Buck and OL.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 14, 2024, 01:57:14 AMThis Bombers team is showing their age right now. Osh is holding too long with the vets. Add the fact that he is poor in gameday roster management.
0-2 here we come.
Reminds me of Bowness leaving in Hellybuyck in net in the playoffs
Monsoon time...
Quote from: barbk on June 14, 2024, 01:59:45 AMReminds me of Bowness leaving in Hellybuyck in net in the playoffs
Now Barb. :-[
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 01:59:17 AMWho stole Zach's Mojo?
Seriously - did Zach steal your lunch money and give you a wedgie 20+ years ago?
The hate-on is a bit much.
Masoli collapsed. Jesus.
Holding Bombers
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 02:02:26 AMSeriously - did Zach steal your lunch money and give you a wedgie 20+ years ago?
The hate-on is a bit much.
Likely. :D
another holding, declined
This is gross
Wow. This o line might be trash
OL is suddenly a disaster. Play calling is garbage as well.
Is Buck on holidays?
That should have been picked
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 02:02:26 AMSeriously - did Zach steal your lunch money and give you a wedgie 20+ years ago?
The hate-on is a bit much.
No, would not bother me if he did. Just going on performance. He is not very good anymore. Ray Charles could see that.
Need a 2 and out here, send the house on 2nd down!
RBS rush 4 and get home.
The offence is pathetic right now.
Need a sack and a turnover
Send the house NOW!
that's it!
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 02:05:22 AMNo, would not bother me if he did. Just going on performance. He is not very good anymore. Ray Charles could see that.
Are you quoting yourself to get more posts??
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 02:05:22 AMNo, would not bother me if he did. Just going on performance. He is not very good anymore. Ray Charles could see that.
really? Can I give you a wedgie just to test that theory?
Zack needs to go with the hot routes to change things up.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 02:07:44 AMreally? Can I give you a wedgey just to test that theory?
My thoughts exactly!
Here is your chance 8. Drive the field or toss another pick?
Hopefully the first TD toss in now.
This team is bad. Couldn't replace the players they lost, tried to run it back with guys like Bighill and Neufeld who hurt the team more than they help. Haba out and no DEs even on the PR except Hubert. The receiver they chose to replace Bailey has two catches in two games, the guard they chose to replace Gray with is a turnstile, at least the corners looks better.
Nice catch Demski.
Quote from: Pete on June 14, 2024, 01:29:38 AMwe should nickname castillo "chips"
I like it... or Nochips! Or Chipless? Chippy? Pretty sure he's of Spanish heritage, so what is "no chips" in Spanish? Might sound better than English.
Demski!
And Zach standing in some pretty big pressure.
I really feel like our "next man up" stance is being exploited right now. Definitely some FA's that could have helped some of the issues we're having right now.
1st down
Now or never. Dunnigan goes into convulsions. lol
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:07:47 AMZack needs to go with the hot routes to change things up.
I would like to see a screen pass to Johnny
Strev is fighting for every inch on short yardage. Our oline is far from what it was
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 02:07:44 AMreally? Can I give you a wedgie just to test that theory?
Sure, you are also welcome to give it a try. Won't bother me at all.
perfect time to do almost anything but dive up the middle. cmon Buck
Here's hoping the injuries to Fox and Haba, will make the Bombers to sign Oakman.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 01:29:51 AMI wanted him to run the boot...but what do I know ?
Ya, on the Strevie TD... on all his sneaks so far (there have been many in week 1 & 2) he's just gone pretty much straight forward. He's Strevie: not Prukop. We need to use his versatility and throw in a good dose of side-to-side.
And on 2nd & 1 we need to take some shots.
It's not necessarily because it'll be mega-effective, but that it'll keep the D's honest and spread out wide.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:11:11 AMStrev is fighting for every inch on short yardage. Our oline is far from what it was
So true. Prukop actually looked more automatic
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on June 14, 2024, 02:11:35 AMHere's hoping the injuries to Fox and Haba, will make the Bombers to sign Oakman.
Pretty sure Oaken is injured which is why Argos cut him.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:11:11 AMStrev is fighting for every inch on short yardage. Our oline is far from what it was
It's definitely not dominant like the last 4 years. But there's been some big changes so hopefully it's just a matter of time before they gel.
Zach looks spooked
Bombers get robbed?
Lightening delay
Now a rain delay which will kill any momentum the Bombers had going.
If the delay lasts an hour it's over and the bombers lose
Win or lose we have a lot of problems to fix. Injuries mounting as well. Not sure what the issues are with Nichols, Fox and Haba. Haba's injury looks serious but the others are unknown.
Wheatfall has looked good but Wilson has been invisible.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 01:34:19 AMI'd be willing to bet Schoen is nicked right now. He looks like he's limping around half the time
That's just Schoen's M.O. -- he always looks that way. Every single play he gets up looking beat up & injured. Maybe it's just his style, maybe he's trying to throw everyone off, maybe he has premature arthritis ;D ;D ;D
No matter why, it works for him. The only downside is it'll be hard to tell when he's truly injured!
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 02:15:35 AMIf the delay lasts an hour it's over and the bombers lose
not sure about that, I remember at our stadium a 2+ hour rain delay vs Hamilton and then the game resumed.
Over to the hockey game.
Looking at the radar... that might be game over
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 02:16:21 AMWin or lose we have a lot of problems to fix. Injuries mounting as well. Not sure what the issues are with Nichols, Fox and Haba. Haba's injury looks serious but the others are unknown.
Wheatfall has looked good but Wilson has been invisible.
And Wilson was the one they chose.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:19:32 AMLooking at the radar... that might be game over
You serious Clark?
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:12:48 AMPretty sure Oaken is injured which is why Argos cut him.
Did you see this somewhere? All i saw was a depth/salary casualty. If he's healthy we should absolutely be reaching out
This Bomber team is in deep deep trouble. Collaros is off. No offensive protection. Pass coverage is mediocre at best. No Grey Cup this season.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:17:49 AMnot sure about that, I remember at our stadium a 2+ hour rain delay vs Hamilton and then the game resumed.
Depends on how much time is left
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:22:30 AMDid you see this somewhere? All i saw was a depth/salary casualty. If he's healthy we should absolutely be reaching out
Pretty sure I read it on the CFL website.
Why is the time on the posts saying 2:00 am
Quote from: kkc60 on June 14, 2024, 02:20:48 AMAnd Wilson was the one they chose.
Yes but for Bailey's role not Lawler. Wheatfall may be more of a speed guy and not as good a blocker.
Why is Karamoko playing so much on defence? It might be due to TOP and a need to rotate more players more often.
TOP has been a killer for Bomber defence tonight.
To hell with the regular season. All a team has to do is win 3 in a row in the playoffs. Even if they have to play those powerhouses BC, Toronto and Montreal. The players know the regular season doesn't really matter. Just put it all together by the end of the year and they'll be fine. They'll be anxious to prove the doubters wrong. Collaros's experience gives them a good chance.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:22:30 AMDid you see this somewhere? All i saw was a depth/salary casualty. If he's healthy we should absolutely be reaching out
Here is what was written on Oakman being released..."He was placed on the one-game injured list ahead of the Argos' 2024 season opener, a 35-27 win over the visiting BC Lions".
If the game is mid way through the third and the delay last longer than an hour the game is over - leading team wins, if tied both teams get a point
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 02:25:31 AMWhy is Karamoko playing so much on defence? It might be due to TOP and a need to rotate more players more often.
Because of MOS's poor roster management. But nobody wants to hear or believe it .
Quote from: Blitzer on June 14, 2024, 02:26:25 AMTo hell with the regular season. All a team has to do is win 3 in a row in the playoffs. Even if they have to play those powerhouses BC, Toronto and Montreal. The players know the regular season doesn't really matter. Just put it all together by the end of the year and they'll be fine. They'll be anxious to prove the doubters wrong. Collaros's experience gives them a good chance.
Yes, but if you lose too many during the season, there is no chance of playing in the playoffs.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:27:18 AMHere is what was written on Oakman being released..."He was placed on the one-game injured list ahead of the Argos' 2024 season opener, a 35-27 win over the visiting BC Lions".
Doesn't mean he was actually injured. They can't release him if he's injured.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 02:28:48 AMIf the game is mid way through the third and the delay last longer than an hour the game is over - leading team wins, if tied both teams get a point
Okay I stand corrected then.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 02:29:15 AMDoesn't mean he was actually injured. They can't release him if he's injured.
We did with one of our players this year.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:23:59 AMPretty sure I read it on the CFL website.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:27:18 AMHere is what was written on Oakman being released..."He was placed on the one-game injured list ahead of the Argos' 2024 season opener, a 35-27 win over the visiting BC Lions".
Sounds like a cap casualty to me... no need to actually be injured to go on the 1 game. I could be totally wrong, just don't recall anyone saying he was hurt.
Game over
Quote from: Pete on June 14, 2024, 01:50:44 AMI've said for a while we need to develop a short passing game, with Zac its go long or go home DO we ever throw a ball to the flats like every team does against us?
We focused big time on the short 1-5Y pass in 2023. Like major focus. But it was hit & miss. OK in the season but let us down a bit in the post-season.
We had a big problem with DL untouched on the edge just getting in Zach's lane, and he couldn't adjust.
Our dump pass to the flat to Johnny early in this game went for big yards. As you identified, teams often leave the flat open against us. I haven't seen much to indicate we're leaning on the short pass yet this year. But ya, it's an important tool to have.
Looks like TSN has given up on the game, they switched to basketball.
Feel like they should have scrapped half time altogether. They were very close with their prediction. Really going to suck if that's it
Okay, I guess we go zero for two then, goodnight all.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:30:34 AMWe did with one of our players this year.
Teams put players on 1 game IR that aren't actually injured all the time. We've only had 1 player on 1 game IR this year, Samson.
No real idea if Oakman was actually nicked or had a personal issue. If we lose 1 or both of Haba and Fox we may be giving him a call. Nobody left on PR really.
This is BS if it is over.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 02:35:15 AMThis is BS if it is over.
Why? It's the rule and makes sense. Wouldn't work in our favour as we may have come back to win but that was no guarantee either.
Time for an airlift due to injuries. Could see some of our cuts being called back.
Woods was a scratch and moved to PR so he'd be available next week. Rivers and Upshaw were two we released.
Quote from: barbk on June 14, 2024, 01:56:23 AMAnd Evan Holm no where near Hardy
OTT is (rightfully) picking on our completely mixed up DB corps. I think we have 2-3 changes back there now? Kramdi playing DB? Bridges in too.
All OTT has to do is do a crossing pattern and our DBs try to do a handoff but there's no synergy. They both bite on the same guy and poof, there's your open OTT WR.
This isn't age or rust, this is rookie / new group problems.
Game over :(
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 02:35:15 AMThis is BS if it is over.
Bombers deserve to lose this game. Maybe 0-2 will push them to actually reflect and evaluate their team
Looking like there could be a decent break in the storm just after 11 est. Will obvs depend on lightning but there's hope
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 02:38:54 AMOTT is (rightfully) picking on our completely mixed up DB corps. I think we have 2-3 changes back there now? Kramdi playing DB? Bridges in too.
All OTT has to do is do a crossing pattern and our DBs try to do a handoff but there's no synergy. They both bite on the same guy and poof, there's your open OTT WR.
This isn't age or rust, this is rookie / new group problems.
Bridges and Bond got torched on that big play to set up the TD. I thought Cole would be playing more at SAM to allow Kramdi to move into the secondary.
Zach throws a pic first play back... :P
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:40:18 AMLooking like there could be a decent break in the storm just after 11 est. Will obvs depend on lightning but there's hope
Yes but over an hour
Quote from: kkc60 on June 14, 2024, 02:40:02 AMBombers deserve to lose this game. Maybe 0-2 will push them to actually reflect and evaluate their team
Let's see: Lawler, Oliveria, Parker, Lawson and Garbutt all on 6 game IR. Samson on 1 game IR. Bighill just back this week. Nichols, Haba and Fox all injured before half time. That's 7 starters not playing before half time in game 2. Injuries are part of the game but wow, that's an important group.
I'm not saying the Bombers should have won but that's a lot to deal with in the 2nd game of the season.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 02:41:16 AMBridges and Bond got torched on that big play to set up the TD. I thought Cole would be playing more at SAM to allow Kramdi to move into the secondary.
Def looked like some miscommunication. Looks like Bonds waved Bridges over for a switch when he really shouldn't have, and they were late getting to their guys/spots
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 02:44:47 AMLet's see: Lawler, Oliveria, Parker, Lawson and Garbutt all on 6 game IR. Samson on 1 game IR. Bighill just back this week. Nichols, Haba and Fox all injured before half time. That's 7 starters not playing before half time in game 2. Injuries are part of the game but wow, that's an important group.
I'm not saying the Bombers should have won but that's a lot to deal with in the 2nd game of the season.
Half the heart ripped out.
Quote from: Blueforlife on June 14, 2024, 02:44:20 AMYes but over an hour
11:15 isn't over an hour (eastern not central)
Also they have posted they're hoping to resume at 11:15 (eastern)
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:45:14 AMDef looked like some miscommunication. Looks like Bonds waved Bridges over for a switch when he really shouldn't have, and they were late getting to their guys/spots
It's almost as if they could have used some practice playing together in a game situation before the season started.
If only there was some mechanism in place to achieve that.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:46:39 AM11:15 isn't over an hour (eastern not central)
Also they have posted they're hoping to resume at 11:15 (eastern)
Love it!!!!!!!! Never been so happy to be wrong
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 02:46:39 AM11:15 isn't over an hour (eastern not central)
Also they have posted they're hoping to resume at 11:15 (eastern)
Pretty sure they called the delay at 10:13, I think I heard TSN say. So 11:15 would be too late. However, maybe if they just say it's ok to return before 10:13 they don't actually have to start the clock again right at 11:13.
Quote from: Jesse on June 14, 2024, 02:52:16 AMIt's almost as if they could have used some practice playing together in a game situation before the season started.
If only there was some mechanism in place to achieve that.
Not much practice this week:
Sunday, June 9 - at field beside WSF South
Practice: 12noon - 1:20 p.m.
Monday, June 10
Practice: 11:50 a.m. - 1:10 p.m.
Tuesday, June 11
Closed practice
Looks like we might be hooped.
Here is your sloppy Joes extra sloppy.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 02:17:49 AMnot sure about that, I remember at our stadium a 2+ hour rain delay vs Hamilton and then the game resumed.
It's that game (and others) that made the league institute time limits. It's been in place a couple of seasons now. It will really suck if it bites us here, because it really looked like we might be getting something going there, and 2:09 leading to a TD usually means you win with 0:00.
Quote from: Double Move on June 14, 2024, 02:25:01 AMWhy is the time on the posts saying 2:00 am
You need to to go into your profile settings and change your timezone and DST. I think it defaults to GMT.
Players back on at 10:05
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 02:41:16 AMBridges and Bond got torched on that big play to set up the TD. I thought Cole would be playing more at SAM to allow Kramdi to move into the secondary.
You thought right. That appears to be what they are doing.
If you want a player of the game for WPG, it's 100% Kramdi. He's really stepped up.
hopefully we can still play - we've been outplayed on offense. defense and special teams as well as outcoached, but there is still hope
Game on!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:01:19 AMYou thought right. That appears to be what they are doing.
If you want a player of the game for WPG, it's 100% Kramdi. He's really stepped up.
So many dumped on him last year. Key cog for us. Great future.
Don't want to be a downer, but on these lightning-delayed games we've had dismal outcomes. Remember that Strevie one that went on forever?
Hopefully our O has taken this free time to come up with much better plans than they've done so far. I want Buck to earn his increased salary right about now.
The hype levels of the 2 teams don't look promising for us. Hopefully we're in contemplative mode instead of bummed-out mode!
3 down territory, no?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 13, 2024, 06:29:53 AMLooks like rain and possible t-storm for the game hours in OTT. Starts at 60% POP then moves up to 90% by 10pm ET.
This could result in a lightning delay, so tell your PVRs to record an extra couple of hours.
Told ya so! I feel sorry for the people not watching live when they hit the PVRs later tonight/tomorrow.
On the bright side, this gave our D a massive break to catch their breath! There's no longer an OTT TOP advantage. It's like tabla rasa now.
That said, I say go 3 down on O. That RB RB (haha, that's funny: aka OTT RB) is stout and their OL is moving our crippled DL.
I did hear them say on the broadcast that the game is called if they cannot return after an hour AND it doesn't look like they will be able to return soon.
1st and 10 at the 30
1st and goal at the 9
Okay!!
I think it's just you and me left watching, Goldie!
Not sure why we don't run it from the 7!
Dammit Zach it was never there
That was a big defensive play to be fair
*** was that 3rd down play?
7 yards and WPG doesn't run it 3 times? That's our M.O.
We needed to kill 50s too!
Who called these trash plays?
unbelievable, collaros panics game over
Well that's about right
Would have tried a run on first down. Zach just folded
Aah ****...
Zach has not played well the last 2 games, but this is not entirely on him. Whole O was trash the 1st half.
60 mins to give the drive extra thought and script it and we decide on 3 passes from the 7??
Give it to Johnny! Argh
If Brady or AH33 was in, we 100% for sure hand off at the 7 3 times. You only need to get 5.5 and let Strevie do the rest. You telling me Johnny can't get 5.5Y on 2 tries?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:19:18 AM60 mins to give the drive extra thought and script it and we decide on 3 passes from the 7??
Give it to Johnny! Argh
Can't argue against that. Johnny should've had an opportunity
Quote from: VictorRomano on June 14, 2024, 03:19:05 AMZach has not played well the last 2 games, but this is not entirely on him. Whole O was trash the 1st half.
He's had much less protection these last two games
To be honest, I would have rather seen our O blow it at the 40 than get to the 7 and then have brain-toots.
Wilson that was possibly the game right there!!! You don't drop that ball
Wilson gave up on that
outcoached completely
I'm concerned. BC next week.
Zach and OL to blame on this one
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 13, 2024, 11:19:22 PMThere is no trend yet other than they are coming off multiple Grey Cup appearances.
5 losses in a row and a hungry BC team coming in Friday. Zero TD passes, Zero points heading into week 3.
The team is trending in the wrong direction unfortunately.
Well, I did say whoever lost the MTL@WPG game was going to go .250 in their first 6 games. That's us.
And whoever won was going to go .750 in their first 6.
The tone has been set. Get ready for mega suckage!
be a lot of changes for next game. or there should be;
Wilson - poor play
Mitchell - same
Haba injured
Nichols injured
Fox injured
Obvious some players past their expiry date... Alexander, Thomas, even Neufeld is looking old.
We handed positions to certain players ie Wilson and Mitchel with them not showing anything in preseason and we are paying for it.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on June 14, 2024, 03:24:11 AMI'm concerned. BC next week.
Yup, no game is "easy" for the next few weeks. And we don't get a reprieve via a bye until week 10!!
We could easily do
worse than .250!!
Instead of beating MTL at home to set the tone, we let them hose us, and now when OTT comes to town in week 5 we'll be hard pressed to even win that one!
Injuries will really limit our early season success
Need to get on the horn
Yeah, Wilson seemed to give up on that ball. It would have given us 1 more play possibly;
I don't understand 3 passes from the 7 yard line, at least not those types of passes. A short screen would have at least run the clock down if we did score in that series.
I might have even put in Streveler to make the defence worry about him running or rolling out to pass.
We were very predictable. Yes, we looked like a team that used poor strategy in pre season not letting veterans get some reps.
The play calling and rust showed in both our games. Now we have major injury issues and the Lions up next. Not a good start.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 03:24:19 AM5 losses in a row and a hungry BC team coming in Friday. Zero TD passes, Zero points heading into week 3.
The team is trending in the wrong direction unfortunately.
Including 2 preseason games as part of a 5 game losing trend is just ridiculous.
Two losses to open the season is bad enough.
You don't need to embellish.
Missed the game tonight, glad I did. I said we'll be lucky to be 3-3 after the first 6 games, we're 0-2 and just lost to Ottawa, yikes, 3-3 almost seems out of reach. We play the Lions next, don't like the sound of 0-3 but its coming.....
On those 3 pass tries it was exactly the same problem as week 1 (and the GC): Zach waiting just that bit too long to pull the trigger. It's his new M.O.
On a short pass you need to pull that trigger fast so the D's don't have time to get to those routes!
As long as he's going to do that, we shouldn't even try the contested short routes. I'm appalled we have no timing routes and timing outs. I think in the last 6 games I've seen one timing route (GC I think, was brilliant). Look at Cody in MTL: it's mostly all timing routes!
On the bright side, this forum is gonna light up as all heck tonight and tomorrow! Already seeing lots of new guys / lurkers. Welcome all!
Quote from: dd on June 14, 2024, 03:30:53 AMMissed the game tonight, glad I did. I said we'll be lucky to be 3-3 after the first 6 games, we're 0-2 and just lost to Ottawa, yikes, 3-3 almost seems out of reach. We play the Lions next, don't like the sound of 0-3 but its coming.....
It's a week away. Hasn't happened yet.
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 03:30:14 AMIncluding 2 preseason games as part of a 5 game losing trend is just ridiculous.
Two losses to open the season is bad enough.
You don't need to embellish.
Don't feed him after midnight lol
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 03:33:37 AMIt's a week away. Hasn't happened yet.
Ya, if BC plays remotely how they are "supposed to" this week, we'll get creamed at home in 1 week.
Hall showed us in '23 WDF that the only way to beat BC is with your D. Our D was stinky with the starters, now it'll be putrid with 3
more raw rookies starting.
Our O is in no way going to put up the 45 we'll need to keep up with BC next week.
I'd take a wager we'll once again be the lowest-scoring team of the week. Every team broke 20 pts in week 1 except us. Once again, we didn't crack 20 in week 2.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:33:07 AMOn those 3 pass tries it was exactly the same problem as week 1 (and the GC): Zach waiting just that bit too long to pull the trigger. It's his new M.O.
On a short pass you need to pull that trigger fast so the D's don't have time to get to those routes!
As long as he's going to do that, we shouldn't even try the contested short routes. I'm appalled we have no timing routes and timing outs. I think in the last 6 games I've seen one timing route (GC I think, was brilliant). Look at Cody in MTL: it's mostly all timing routes!
On the bright side, this forum is gonna light up as all heck tonight and tomorrow! Already seeing lots of new guys / lurkers. Welcome all!
Indeed - great to see more people joining in. Bomber fan base increasing is always positive.
We can only pray that there really is better parity now in the CFL. If that's the case then hopefully no W team gets too much of a lead in points. That could be our saving grace. If W teams can hang around .500, then our upcoming .250 (or worse) won't look so dire.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 03:24:19 AM5 losses in a row and a hungry BC team coming in Friday. Zero TD passes, Zero points heading into week 3.
The team is trending in the wrong direction unfortunately.
The 1st loss was the 2023 Grey Cup. Two of the 2024 games were pre season where almost no vets played so that's hardly a measure of squat.
You're just over stating and looking to pile it on in each of your 40 posts. We can see the issues and we can also see the potential of some new players. It's an 18 game season and even if we lose to the Lions, that's not the end.
BTW. The Lions lost the WDF, 1 pre season game and their 1st game of 2023. They've only beaten the Elks and everybody beats them. We'll see how they do against the Stamps on the weekend.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:37:49 AMYa, if BC plays remotely how they are "supposed to" this week, we'll get creamed at home in 1 week.
Hall showed us in '23 WDF that the only way to beat BC is with your D. Our D was stinky with the starters, now it'll be putrid with 3 more raw rookies starting.
Our O is in no way going to put up the 45 we'll need to keep up with BC next week.
I'd take a wager we'll once again be the lowest-scoring team of the week. Every team broke 20 pts in week 1 except us. Once again, we didn't crack 20 in week 2.
Our D has not been the problem and BC absolutely has a leaky D.
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 03:30:14 AMIncluding 2 preseason games as part of a 5 game losing trend is just ridiculous.
Two losses to open the season is bad enough.
You don't need to embellish.
All games count. Could easily be 6 in row after Friday. There is a winning culture and a losing culture.
Once the second one creeps in it's very hard to shake.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:37:49 AMYa, if BC plays remotely how they are "supposed to" this week, we'll get creamed at home in 1 week.
Hall showed us in '23 WDF that the only way to beat BC is with your D. Our D was stinky with the starters, now it'll be putrid with 3 more raw rookies starting.
Our O is in no way going to put up the 45 we'll need to keep up with BC next week.
I'd take a wager we'll once again be the lowest-scoring team of the week. Every team broke 20 pts in week 1 except us. Once again, we didn't crack 20 in week 2.
I hope Buck and Zach read this and are really fired up for next week. I hope more that they don't need to read it to be fired up and I am sure they don't, I'm just trying to maintain some positive outlook hoping they now come out REALLY PISSED OFF next week.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:39:34 AMWe can only pray that there really is better parity now in the CFL. If that's the case then hopefully no W team gets too much of a lead in points. That could be our saving grace. If W teams can hang around .500, then our upcoming .250 (or worse) won't look so dire.
I don't know that there is parity. Too soon to tell. There have only been 4 inter locking games and east is 3-1 at the moment.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 03:41:42 AMAll games count. Could easily be 6 in row after Friday. There is a winning culture and a losing culture.
Once the second one creeps in it's very hard to shake.
Nope. Preseason games literally do not count.
Also games from last season do not count (otherwise we'd be 2-0 right now). We're a different team.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 03:41:42 AMAll games count. Could easily be 6 in row after Friday. There is a winning culture and a losing culture.
Once the second one creeps in it's very hard to shake.
Really? Because I've never seen preseason games included in season stats. One of the most clueless statements I've read here.
Do you proofread what you type before hitting enter?
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 03:40:21 AMThe 1st loss was the 2023 Grey Cup. Two of the 2024 games were pre season where almost no vets played so that's hardly a measure of squat.
You're just over stating and looking to pile it on in each of your 40 posts. We can see the issues and we can also see the potential of some new players. It's an 18 game season and even if we lose to the Lions, that's not the end.
BTW. The Lions lost the WDF, 1 pre season game and their 1st game of 2023. They've only beaten the Elks and everybody beats them. We'll see how they do against the Stamps on the weekend.
So BC lost one in a row. They know what it's like to win. That's important, our last W was the WF.
Many games ago....
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 03:46:35 AMReally? Because I've never seen preseason games included in season stats. One of the most clueless statements I've read here.
Do you proofread what you type before hitting enter?
Well, it's on the CFL website. Are pre season stats included in the regular season stats? Nope, neither are the playoff stats.
Right? Do those count?
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 03:47:53 AMSo BC lost one in a row. They know what it's like to win. That's important, our last W was the WF.
Many games ago....
Yup - winning one game is a winning culture. That's knowing what it's like to win.
I'm getting tired of responding to these blatant troll posts, I'm taking a break.
This was a reap what you sow game.
Go light on the DL? Get ran all over.
None of the Bombers high paid veterans played well today outside of Kramdi. Maybe Alexander? Certainly no one on the OL. Couldn't be the linebackers. Definitely was not Collaros or Schoen.
Wheatfall and Adams look great. Both could be boons for the Bombers. I don't want to put too much blame onto Wilson, as Collaros never looks his way.
Remember when we signed Harris and laughed at Buono because rumours had it that he thought Harris was near the end of his career and was only going to regress? Seems like it's come back to us, because now the Bombers either dont know when to let guys go, or simply are afraid or incapable of finding a guy to replace them.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 03:50:02 AMWell, it's on the CFL website. Are pre season stats included in the regular season stats? Nope, neither are the playoff stats.
Right? Do those count?
Okay one more.
Holy crap, because preseason and postseason stats are posted, that means they are part of the season stats? You really believe preseason games count somehow?!
I don't think I've ever seen anyone double down on something like this.
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 03:42:51 AMI hope Buck and Zach read this and are really fired up for next week. I hope more that they don't need to read it to be fired up and I am sure they don't, I'm just trying to maintain some positive outlook hoping they now come out REALLY PISSED OFF next week.
You can come out as pissed off as you want. Doesn't matter if Collaros can't get a clean pocket. Hopefully they get their act together. But after last week all the teams leaders talked the talk. Those same guys did diddly squat this week.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 03:50:02 AMWell, it's on the CFL website. Are pre season stats included in the regular season stats? Nope, neither are the playoff stats.
Right? Do those count?
5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - Take a hint.
Quote from: kkc60 on June 14, 2024, 03:55:53 AMYou can come out as pissed off as you want. Doesn't matter if Collaros can't get a clean pocket. Hopefully they get their act together. But after last week all the teams leaders talked the talk. Those same guys did diddly squat this week.
I agree, Zach had way less time and protection today and last week, and it's a huge factor.
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 03:58:19 AMI agree, Zach had way less time and protection today and last week, and it's a huge factor.
Oh it's bad. And what's worse about it is that all offseason left guard and right tackle were holes. They brought in guys, coaches and scouts did their due diligence. And a regression was a reasonable expectation early on. But this is much worse than what the product should be considering the time the team has had to plan and assess players.
Quote from: kkc60 on June 14, 2024, 04:01:42 AMOh it's bad. And what's worse about it is that all offseason left guard and right tackle were holes. They brought in guys, coaches and scouts did their due diligence. And a regression was a reasonable expectation early on. But this is much worse than what the product should be considering the time the team has had to plan and assess players.
I was going to simply "like" your post, but it seemed wrong to like it even though I agree completely.
Okay, so we lost 3 starters on D before half time.
We have no KR/PR games.
ZC8 throws two picks.
We only run the ball 14 times and a number of those were short yardage.
We still end up with the ball on Ottawa's 7 yard line with a minute left in the game, and can't score to win the game.
Terrible play calling by Buck.
Quote from: Pigskin on June 14, 2024, 04:10:15 AMOkay, so we lost 3 starters on D before half time.
We have no KR/PR games.
ZC8 throws two picks.
We only run the ball 14 times and a number of those were short yardage.
We still end up with the ball on Ottawa's 7 yard line with a minute left in the game, and can't score to win the game.
Terrible play calling by Buck.
Nice perspective. Thanks for stepping back and providing a more objective view
Quote from: Big Daddy on June 14, 2024, 04:13:36 AMNice perspective. Thanks for stepping back and providing a more objective view
But it shouldn't have been close! It shouldn't have come down to 1st & goal at the 7.
It was Dru Brown in his first real CFL start!! It was a perennially stinky OTT team that should (probably) still be the free bingo spot! We should have been wiping the floor with them, from an O standpoint, before the rain delay.
Dru & the OTT O wasn't doing anything special. Just chugging along. Their D had issues, yet we made their DL look like all-stars!
Losing D starters doesn't impact our O at all. No excuse there. In fact, our O should have stepped up and owned the TOP because our D was doomed to getting gassed! Yet in the 4th we go to a pass-heavy O plan?? Ya, that low TOP, many 2-n-out plan sure helped the D.
Game stats
Game 14 - WBB @ OTT (https://mcusercontent.com/7a0c86d02b5c64ea04a3c48be/files/c48ec6ba-2723-c729-b048-8f7c2d83989a/CFL_2024_Gm_14_OTT_vs_WPG_Final_Stats.pdf)
We haven't been able to have Zach pass into the EZ for a TD in 7.95 quarters. And we've been weak on the short pass. So why are we calling 3 short passes from the 7 to win the game?! It was magically going to resolve itself right there for the win?? Who thinks this stuff up?
And did we try something novel and creative on those 3 pass attempts? Nah, just same-old level-1 rookie-QB routes and schemes.
D1: An overthrow to your raw rookie 1st-CFL-game nobody in man coverage to try to win it? Who does that? It's his first game! And you don't even put it in a place he can dive for it. And that corner fade is like one of our four main go-to red zone plays, so every team knows it.
D2: A timing out with bad timing and double coverage? Nothing creative about that. That's the same play that lost HAM the '21 GC when Nichols tipped it from Acklin.
D3: A pathetic shambles of an ending just like the '23 GC. No hope at all, nothing remotely open, nothing creative, nothing new, and minimal pass rush gets in for an easy sack with Zach running right into it. The R's can't even get their pre-snap positions correct as the field side guys are pointing and questioning and moving around pre-snap.
You have 60 minutes to script the drive and the denouement and this is all they come up with?! Why not put some faith in Johnny? Why not do what made us famous? Just pound that ball. Or at least do some RPO! Anything to try to trick the D!
And why is Zach now the king of running into sackers? That used to be Cody in SSK. Now, in so many critical games, Zach just runs into the tacklers and lets them pull him down. Why does he never back-pedal anymore? Why not wheel out? Always now it's just run straight forward or into a deep-in DE?
In all 3 downs we would have been better served by Strevie because he at least puts in the run threat, and is hard to bring down. Strevie can throw those failed fades and 7 yard outs just as well as Zach. Even better, OTT likely pulls pass defenders to play the run when Strevie is in, because he's a known runner. Put Strevie in and run 3 RPOs, with Strevie making the decisions.
Oh ya, that 2nd last pass to Wilson who whiffed should have been a UR and a free 15. The defender shoulder-to-heads Wilson 1.5s after the ball had sailed past, and the D guy clearly saw the ball as it was right in front of his eyes. It was a head shot that did not need to be taken. Probably doesn't change the outcome though. It's actually a bit comical as Wilson may have turtled up to avoid the hit, and he still gets his head popped as a whiff reward.
Quote from: Jesse on June 14, 2024, 03:40:49 AMOur D has not been the problem and BC absolutely has a leaky D.
Our D gave up 129 on the ground (and OTT didn't get "garbage time" to run up that yardage!). 21 runs with 6.1 avg. 6.1 avg!! From a rookie nobody RB that was a GTD! On a team not known for running, and a 4 NAT OL!
Our D was ok in week 1 vs the
GC champs, but, yes, they were much stinkier this week against this sub-par opponent.
1st & goal on their 7, 1 min left
and we pass 3 times? ???
Our OL was terrible, no time for Zach at all.
The Bombers are getting too old in many locations and it is starting to show in both sides of the ball.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:18:10 AM7 yards and WPG doesn't run it 3 times? That's our M.O.
We needed to kill 50s too!
Who called these trash plays?
Even my girl friend said "it's Streveller time!" I thought situations like this is why we have him. 3 down football and 7 yards needed.
Even so the o-line is a pretty far cry from what it was, when we would push piles. Maybe this year's team can't run it in either.
Quote from: Waffler on June 14, 2024, 12:11:55 PMEven my girl friend said "it's Streveller time!" I thought situations like this is why we have him. 3 down football and 7 yards needed.
Even so the o-line is a pretty far cry from what it was, when we would push piles. Maybe this year's team can't run it in either.
If we are going to pass, at least have Strev in there, you know everyone will be thinking RUN
Quote from: kkc60 on June 14, 2024, 04:01:42 AMOh it's bad. And what's worse about it is that all offseason left guard and right tackle were holes. They brought in guys, coaches and scouts did their due diligence. And a regression was a reasonable expectation early on. But this is much worse than what the product should be considering the time the team has had to plan and assess players.
And what's worse about that is that there was never a competition. Dobson and Lofton lined up in their spots on day one and that was it.
Hopefully they start Streveler next game at home and never look back. He was good when he left, no question the years in the NFL have made him better.
Time to move forward and let 17 develop his game here.
Ok, Ottawa deserved to win. No question about that. A common trend for the Bombers ( even last year ) is a slow start and it happened again. Ottawa scores and we go 2 and out IIRC.
The difference in the game ( and there were many ) is that we could not establish the run and we couldn't stop the run. There didn't seem to be any real attempt to stick with the run game even if there were problems with the OL.
As we lost 3 more starters on defence, Ottawa controlled the game with their run game. TOP was brutal and that didn't help keep our defence off the field. Many of us questioned why we rostered so many LB's and didn't keep Woods on instead.
Wheatfall looked good. Adams, Bond, Kramdi and Ford played better.
Mitchell and O. Wilson did not impress and Wilson seemed to give up on a pass late in the game. He might be on a short now and / or may have been nicked as well.
Questions / comments:
1. How long will Oliveria be out or playing hampered by his injury? Is it fair to say Augustine didn't produce or was that due to OL and play calling?
2. ST's improved somewhat. Kicking game better. Coverage still an issue at times and returns leave a lot to be desired.
3. Play calling was bland to put it politely on both sides of the ball.
4. What were they thinking on the 7 yard line. Running down the clock was nearly as important as scoring a TD. They should have run on 1st down IMO. Possibly using Streveler. On 2nd and 3rd down, slow developing pass attempts were doomed from the start.
5. I think we may see a small airlift this week to replace mounting injuries. TBD to see who can play next week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 01:14:07 PMOk, Ottawa deserved to win. No question about that. A common trend for the Bombers ( even last year ) is a slow start and it happened again. Ottawa scores and we go 2 and out IIRC.
The difference in the game ( and there were many ) is that we could not establish the run and we couldn't stop the run. There didn't seem to be any real attempt to stick with the run game even if there were problems with the OL.
As we lost 3 more starters on defence, Ottawa controlled the game with their run game. TOP was brutal and that didn't help keep our defence off the field. Many of us questioned why we rostered so many LB's and didn't keep Woods on instead.
Wheatfall looked good. Adams, Bond, Kramdi and Ford played better.
Mitchell and O. Wilson did not impress and Wilson seemed to give up on a pass late in the game. He might be on a short now and / or may have been nicked as well.
Totally agree on all points. I'll also add that Mitchell played a bit better yesterday than week one but nowhere near Janarion Grant level (I suppose it's unfair to compare him). There was improvement both in fielding the balls and trying to attack vertically. I'd give him another game or two and see if there's more there.
Sheahan out dueled Leone pretty handily which is good value for a global (or national if you want to count him as the second).
Overall, it should be clear to most people that we're starting from a position more reminiscent of 2017 or 2018 than the last 4-5 years. That's the way it goes. What we want to see is improvement each week and teams that do that usually have good seasons.
Although I'd take the win, losing the games you're supposed to lose, especially early is okay. This is one that even if we won it wouldn't have felt very good. 0-2 sends a strong message to O'Shea that they are pretty far off the mark.
O-Line needs remedial pass pro classes. And even smash-mouth run blocking is a major challenge with this group.
Look at the trouble Bombers had gaining inches on 3rd down conversions. Zero push from the hogs. They got molested vs Montreal too and so it looks like a pattern might be developing. Where is Eli? Bring back Geoff Gray - get him in here. How long is Dobson out?
This must be why Buck called only 14 runs plays that averaged 3 YPC for a funky 42 total yards in a RAIN GAME ***. And if that is not the reason then Buck and MOS both need take a football IQ test.
If I am Strev or Augustine - a pair of terrific runners - I am pissed at such squandered opportunity.
I want to put a lot of blame on Buck and Collaros for this game.
Buck so far this season hasn't taken the reigns. He needs to get the team into a rhythm with some quick-hitter plays. We seem to get caught up in running for 3 yards on first down (whole other problem), and then letting Collaros read the field and make a play. It's a lot easier to do that when you have the defence on their heels. That first drive after the rain delay was a great example of how we should be playing. Quick hitter to Wheatfall and Schoen with a 10yd hook on man coverage. Buck needs to put a little less trust into his star QB and build a discipline game plan.
I'd put Collaros at fault for a few of his sacks.
In past years, he has been able to scramble or navigate the pocket extremely well to buy time. In these first 2 games of the season, he's struggled in the pocket, basically running into sacks. I think it was third down and goal on that same drive where it looked like he was seeing ghosts, but he had a pretty clean pocket!
Let's get back to the crossfield motion plays to spread things out and keep the defence guessing. Let's make it easier on Collaros and the OL by rolling out and throwing on the run once in a while or tossing in Streveler for a couple no-huddle plays after a QB sneak like we used to! Get CREATIVE
One thing to add actually that I haven't seen much talk of... Paddy Neufeld looked BAD out there. On that one replay he completely ran away from his guy and gave up a sack.
Dobson wasn't great either but I don't think he was the worst OL tonight.
Didn't hear Lofton's name get brought up once either, which is a good thing for a right tackle. Seems to be a solid piece of our OL.
Bad weather, on the road, missing highest paid receiver and MOC, losing 3 D starters in the first half.
In it until the last play.
I think this was a "moral win". Doesn't count on the scorecard, but an improvement on last week, and got some glimpses of new players next man upping.
Wheatfall surprised me in being our best rec. JA27 did not bad considering the maulers Ott has on the Dline. Ford made some great plays. Biggie was there, but you could see the rust, especially on teh short yardage. Kramdi whiffed a couple times, but made great plays as well.
Buck does need to work on varying his game, and Jordan needs to step his game up. ST's were not bad, much improved over last week. Some very nice punts, not just boomers, but aussie specials too.
I'm not saying I'm happy with the loss, but had it been a beatdown like last week, I would be very upset. The team rallied back in the face of adversity.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 14, 2024, 03:17:09 PMOne thing to add actually that I haven't seen much talk of... Paddy Neufeld looked BAD out there. On that one replay he completely ran away from his guy and gave up a sack.
Dobson wasn't great either but I don't think he was the worst OL tonight.
Didn't hear Lofton's name get brought up once either, which is a good thing for a right tackle. Seems to be a solid piece of our OL.
Oline takes time to sync up. "Running away from a guy" happens when miscommunication over rushers happens. Once it becomes second nature, and done without having to listen and interpret communications (which may take too long and be too late), these breakdowns will get less frequent.
We have he parts and talent for a great oline. We just need reps.
Quote from: Doublezero on June 14, 2024, 02:46:11 PMO-Line needs remedial pass pro classes. And even smash-mouth run blocking is a major challenge with this group.
Look at the trouble Bombers had gaining inches on 3rd down conversions. Zero push from the hogs. They got molested vs Montreal too and so it looks like a pattern might be developing. Where is Eli? Bring back Geoff Gray - get him in here. How long is Dobson out?
This must be why Buck called only 14 runs plays that averaged 3 YPC for a funky 42 total yards in a RAIN GAME ***. And if that is not the reason then Buck and MOS both need take a football IQ test.
If I am Strev or Augustine - a pair of terrific runners - I am pissed at such squandered opportunity.
Did Dobson get nicked as well? I missed that info.
Ironically we had a chance to win in the last 1 1/2 minutes but failed. Conversation would be a little different if we pulled it out of the fire. Sometimes you win a game where you were out played and other times it's the opposite.
We lost the battle at the LOS on both sides of the ball.
We don't really know which players are battling injuries of just not in game condition yet.
I put a lot of the problems on the coaches for play calling and lack of preparation.
Quote from: LXTSN on June 14, 2024, 03:17:09 PMOne thing to add actually that I haven't seen much talk of... Paddy Neufeld looked BAD out there. On that one replay he completely ran away from his guy and gave up a sack.
Dobson wasn't great either but I don't think he was the worst OL tonight.
Didn't hear Lofton's name get brought up once either, which is a good thing for a right tackle. Seems to be a solid piece of our OL.
Neufeld wasn't good last year either. His West All-star was much more off name and team record than individual performance. He's older for his position and didn't practice at all in TC. Dobson is at least young.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2024, 03:23:29 PMOline takes time to sync up. "Running away from a guy" happens when miscommunication over rushers happens. Once it becomes second nature, and done without having to listen and interpret communications (which may take too long and be too late), these breakdowns will get less frequent.
We have he parts and talent for a great oline. We just need reps.
I think coaching is definitely an issue as well, especially is miscommunication is an issue here. Dobsons in his third year, it's not as if he's brand new to the team.
Costello gets hyped as one of the best in the biz, but I'm not too sure whether the OLs past success is too much him, at least in terms of development. Guys like Gray and Dobson don't seem to hit on their potential (Dobson does still have time though) while guys like Broxton and McGloster have passed right through the system and are now quality tackles with their teams.
Strevy, must be injured. There is no other logical reason he was not used this game.....he must be....
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 14, 2024, 04:06:24 PMStrevy, must be injured. There is no other logical reason he was not used this game.....he must be....
Nope. You can't expect to win with Streveler / Wilson the way you'd expect to win with Collaros. Pulling Collaros at all will just make matters worse. You have to let him play through it, to get in tune with his guys. lots of change, and he's getting more on the same page. Big plays threading the needle to Demski, hitting Wheatfall. Didn't see that last week. He's improving, and needs a few more games in an 18 game season where 6 of 9 teams make the playoffs.
"Must win" is a far ways off. We just need to get to the playoffs to have a chance to win the GC. Far too early to be thinking Streveler. Although I am surprised we haven't seen any packages yet. Comes in for SY, and stays in for a couple plays.
So far after 2 games, we are looking/playing like the "Free" space on the ole bingo card. Still time to turn it around but Zack needs to play like Zack.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on June 14, 2024, 04:06:24 PMStrevy, must be injured. There is no other logical reason he was not used this game.....he must be....
I agree, on the 7 LaPo would have had him in.
Especially with the recent play of Collaros. He needs some sideline time to regroup. They need to learn from the Drew Willy experiment. They risk shattering what is left of his confidence.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 04:40:53 PMI agree, on the 7 LaPo would have had him in.
Especially with the recent play of Collaros. He needs some sideline time to regroup. They need to learn from the Drew Willy experiment. They risk shattering what is left of his confidence.
It might have been good to get Streveler into the game earlier in the game to give Collaros some time on the sideline.
No way Lapo would have switched him in the last 2 minutes to pass. I doubt O'Shea would have allowed that either.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 05:13:44 PMIt might have been good to get Streveler into the game earlier in the game to give Collaros some time on the sideline.
No way Lapo would have switched him in the last 2 minutes to pass. I doubt O'Shea would have allowed that either.
LaPo would have had him in with RPO I believe because it makes the most sense.
No way that is a 3 pass situation in the rain even without a RPO stud like Streveler.
17 scores on 3 plays from the 7 in those conditions almost every time. LaPo gets them to punch it in. No question in my mind.
the play calling from the 7 was atrocious and needs to be questioned fully. You know you are in 3 down territory, the clock isn't a huge issue. You could have probably run Strev in three different types of runs and got the win...You could have also run JA as well on first down.
Just terrible.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 05:26:40 PMthe play calling from the 7 was atrocious and needs to be questioned fully. You know you are in 3 down territory, the clock isn't a huge issue. You could have probably run Strev in three different types of runs and got the win...You could have also run JA as well on first down.
Just terrible.
Really hard to disagree there.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 04:40:36 PMSo far after 2 games, we are looking/playing like the "Free" space on the ole bingo card. Still time to turn it around but Zack needs to play like Zack.
Anyone who thinks we are a free space is in for a rude awakening.
One play from winning after losing 5 starters is not a free space, my friend.
Quote from: The Zipp on June 14, 2024, 05:26:40 PMthe play calling from the 7 was atrocious and needs to be questioned fully. You know you are in 3 down territory, the clock isn't a huge issue. You could have probably run Strev in three different types of runs and got the win...You could have also run JA as well on first down.
Just terrible.
Yup, simple RPO. Send all receivers to the back of the endzone taking DB's with them. Bootleg Strev with JA backing him. No daylight flip it to JA, Strev becomes lead blocker , steamrolls a player or two and JA walks in.
A DB cheats trying to hold the line it's an easy toss to a wide open receiver.
Stuff you can draw up in the dirt with a stick. Why be cute? Run that play and you either score or end up on the 2 or less.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 05:20:01 PMLaPo would have had him in with RPO I believe because it makes the most sense.
No way that is a 3 pass situation in the rain even without a RPO stud like Streveler.
17 scores on 3 plays from the 7 in those conditions almost every time. LaPo gets them to punch it in. No question in my mind.
The play calling sucked. Without a legit RB threat, it would have made it obvious Streveler would look to run 1st.
He completed 7 of 8 in pre season game 1 for 65 yards. He has yet to even attempt a pass in the regular season. The Ol was not blocking well and receivers may be part of the issue.
Buck should have called a screen to Augustine on the 1st play ( perhaps ). At least called a quicker release on a shorter pattern. Schoen should have moved up to make the catch even if he caught it at the 1. That would have been better than forcing another effort from the 7.
Bad execution and bad play calling combined with bad weather.
Wow i haven't posted for a while but what I'm seeing from Collaros is a guy and the OC Buck out of synch. If they can all get on the same page then it will be business as usual.
On a side suggestion I would like to see Jones replace Ayers at LB. In at least the short term, IMO he adds more talent on the field. He can play ST's as well as LB.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 05:48:30 PMThe play calling sucked. Without a legit RB threat, it would have made it obvious Streveler would look to run 1st.
He completed 7 of 8 in pre season game 1 for 65 yards. He has yet to even attempt a pass in the regular season. The Ol was not blocking well and receivers may be part of the issue.
Buck should have called a screen to Augustine on the 1st play ( perhaps ). At least called a quicker release on a shorter pattern. Schoen should have moved up to make the catch even if he caught it at the 1. That would have been better than forcing another effort from the 7.
Bad execution and bad play calling combined with bad weather.
As I said above, Strev is more than capable of tossing to an open receiver in RPO.
Down 1 bootleg 17 , JA on the flank, send receivers to the back of the endzone dragging the DB's. One cheats to hold the line, easy toss. See an opening, take it. Lane plugged flip it to JA and make a hole.
Sandlot football, everyone and their dog would know what's coming, try and stop it...
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 06:07:26 PMAs I said above, Strev is more than capable of tossing to an open receiver in RPO.
Down 1 bootleg 17 , JA on the flank, send receivers to the back of the endzone dragging the DB's. One cheats to hold the line, easy toss. See an opening, take it. Lane plugged flip it to JA and make a hole.
Sandlot football, everyone and their dog would know what's coming, try and stop it...
I did expect Streveler in on 1st down for some variation of what you suggested. The problem was we were having OL pressure issues, lack of run issues and the defence with 7 in the box. We had been no real threat in our passing game and DB's were also cheating up.
We haven't seen enough of Streveler in 2024 to fully expect him to give us what we might have wanted considering the other issues. Collaros had no time to pass and I'm not sure Streveler would have had open lanes to run or pass either.
What I wanted was a 3 or 4 yard gain on a run and burning off another 20+ seconds. That would have given us better options than 2nd and goal from the 7 to the point that another run might have made sense. At no point did I expect Streveler to throw anything besides a short screen to Augustine or wr screen to either Wheatfall of Woli. Demski was probably double covered?
Scoring and leaving 50 seconds on the clock let too much time for Ottawa to score a FG.
Hindsight is always 100%. All I know is I didn't like the play calling but would need elevated view to see where the receivers were or if they ran correct routes etc.
Since everyone is offering what they would have done.
1st down - hand off to JA, even 2-3 yards is almost a win here. Collaros can be in for it. If you insist on passing why not try a quick throw to the flat and block it up. Really only need a small chunk then you bring in Strev for 2 tries to pound it in.
The fade wasn't a terrible play, but should be a 2nd down look, not first. Esp throwing to a rookie IMO. Not that it's on Wheatfall at all, ZC missed the throw.
The 3rd down from the 7, the rec was open. If the ball was dry, I bet that Collaros beats Webb to the reception. The wet ball, heavier, less grip, not as much zip on it. And it was only a split second that was needed.
Mother Nature 1, Bombers 0
At the end of game, we had in 3 first year DBs, 2 DL, 2 WR, 2 OL. and our backup RB, which only had 9 carries, which is ridicules. And, no red zone package for Strev17.
Quote from: towelie on June 14, 2024, 06:39:40 PMSince everyone is offering what they would have done.
1st down - hand off to JA, even 2-3 yards is almost a win here. Collaros can be in for it. If you insist on passing why not try a quick throw to the flat and block it up. Really only need a small chunk then you bring in Strev for 2 tries to pound it in.
The fade wasn't a terrible play, but should be a 2nd down look, not first. Esp throwing to a rookie IMO. Not that it's on Wheatfall at all, ZC missed the throw.
I don't think the fade was his first option. I think he saw the pressure and put it in a place that gave us a chance and away from the defence.
Hindsight is 20/20. Collaros passed them down the field to the 7 yard line. You take him out for Streveler and if they don't have success or he drops the ball in the rain and everyone is screaming about having Collaros come out at such an important point when he was in a groove.
They sent pressure through the gaps on first and second down so a run call with Augustine would be low percentage play. Other than the passes not working out, what makes any of you think we could suddenly bully ball our way into the endzone at the end of the game? We had our hands full picking up a yard at a time with Streveler in the game for the first 58 minutes.
I don't like the result but I don't think it was a bad idea to give Collaros three shots at it from the 7. We believe in him. He's paid a lot. Too bad he didn't make the play. That's football.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2024, 05:41:12 PMAnyone who thinks we are a free space is in for a rude awakening.
One play from winning after losing 5 starters is not a free space, my friend.
I didn't say I thought we were the free space, buuuut you have to admit we are currently playing bad football, both on O and on D, so until that improves the reality is we are a bad team. Sorry but I call it like it is, I am a realist, but still support my team. They need to turn this around, how you ask...we need a KR, Worthy is available, we need DL help, Oakman is available if not injured so is Mason Bennet. We have the cap space with all the players currently on the 6 game IR. I keep looking for news the Bombers brought someone in but nothing but crickets. Don't stand pat Bombers or we will be the free space this year.
I will go back to what I believe is the play that lost us last years Grey Cup. We were threatening to score a TD that would possibly have put us over the edge. Instead of Zach hitting Demski wide open coming out of the back field he tried to force it to Lawler where it was intercepted.
That play whether it be #10 or # 27 should have been done last night.
Its tough to defend.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 14, 2024, 03:24:48 AMGet ready for mega suckage!
Are you serious? I didn't expect this from you. Five starters injured, lots of turnover to start the season, rain-drenched ***** playing conditions and a rain delay that sapped us of our momentum in a game we could have easily won. Wow man.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 01:21:12 PM1. How long will Oliveria be out or playing hampered by his injury? Is it fair to say Augustine didn't produce or was that due to OL and play calling?
2. ST's improved somewhat. Kicking game better. Coverage still an issue at times and returns leave a lot to be desired.
I think JA27's avg in week 2 was about the same as BO20's avg in week 1. Thus our run woes are probably a function of the OL (and/or Buck). You would expect the league's highest paid RB to massively outrun a perennial NAT backup, but he didn't.
Our ST coverage was very good. The one explosion return by OTT had 2 very critical IBs, that were uncalled. I've noticed that rail returns are much better for hiding illicit behavior. We've been burned on these for at least a season. Need to find solutions. (And we should be employing these nasty tactics on our returns, too.)
Quote from: Doublezero on June 14, 2024, 02:46:11 PMLook at the trouble Bombers had gaining inches on 3rd down conversions. Zero push from the hogs. They got molested vs Montreal too and so it looks like a pattern might be developing. Where is Eli? Bring back Geoff Gray - get him in here. How long is Dobson out?
This must be why Buck called only 14 runs plays that averaged 3 YPC for a funky 42 total yards in a RAIN GAME ***. And if that is not the reason then Buck and MOS both need take a football IQ test.
If I am Strev or Augustine - a pair of terrific runners - I am pissed at such squandered opportunity.
Best post yet.
Yes, we struggled on every X & 1 sneak. Both weeks. Every single one (well, except maybe Strevie's 3rd & 2 in week 1). Those are gimmee no-brainers and a staple of WFC. The only reason we are succeeding is because stout Strevie keeps churning to get that extra foot. It shouldn't all fall on him! The hoggie must pave the road!
Rain game: Ya, you're supposed to pound it, not toss it. I had Demski in fantasy then took him out when I saw the rain coming. I didn't replace him with any WPG RB because I knew our OL is very weak on the run right now. Sad. Who would have thought I should have replaced him with OTT's RB!! Dude made bank while we stank.
I'm sure Strev & JA27 were sitting there stewing on the 7 yard debacle. WFC just told Johnny, "you're not good enough, we're going to go against our standard operating procedure because you stink and we have no faith in you to get 2.25 YPC".
Quote from: LXTSN on June 14, 2024, 03:17:09 PMDidn't hear Lofton's name get brought up once either, which is a good thing for a right tackle. Seems to be a solid piece of our OL.
Lofton has surprisingly turned out to be a superb pass-pro OL early on. Way exceeding my expectations. However, he may be part of the problem of our weak run game. We've leaned heavily on the RT to be the key break out / wall-off guy for years now. He might also be part of why our SY is struggling.
But he can improve. All in all I think we have to give early props to Lofton and he may work out just fine.
Quote from: Horseman on June 14, 2024, 04:40:36 PMSo far after 2 games, we are looking/playing like the "Free" space on the ole bingo card. Still time to turn it around but Zack needs to play like Zack.
Good point. Hadn't thought of that. Even I couldn't get in such a depressed mindset. But you're right, we're the free space and we'll get no respect until we earn it. Losing that GC rematch (
at home to boot) was everything. Then we top it off with a loss to the 2023 worst CFL team.
Did you see how surprised Dyce was at the end of the game at having won?! He totally expected to lose!
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 05:20:01 PMLaPo would have had him in with RPO I believe because it makes the most sense.
No way that is a 3 pass situation in the rain even without a RPO stud like Streveler.
17 scores on 3 plays from the 7 in those conditions almost every time. LaPo gets them to punch it in. No question in my mind.
100%. That may be the worst 3 down sequence in the recent history of WFC. 5 R out and straight up short pocket toss with no run option for 3 downs? Holy Moses, are we the 2015 CGY Stamps or the run-first, run-mostly Bombers?!
This is a major fail at the chess game. You pin, you fork, you feint, you misdirect. You don't do straight up, obvious, too-late passes into double-coverage.
I'm starting to smell what might be the root cause. And it rhymes with truck. It's a big part of why we lost 2 GCs when we held in our hands the final for-the-win drives, too...
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 14, 2024, 05:56:27 PMOn a side suggestion I would like to see Jones replace Ayers at LB. In at least the short term, IMO he adds more talent on the field. He can play ST's as well as LB.
Maybe, I have no stance on that. But I will point out that Ayers was in on a lot of the ST tackles in week 2. He was flying around and generally in the right place. He seems good at shedding blockers.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 14, 2024, 08:29:38 PMHindsight is 20/20. Collaros passed them down the field to the 7 yard line. You take him out for Streveler and if they don't have success or he drops the ball in the rain and everyone is screaming about having Collaros come out at such an important point when he was in a groove.
I really don't think anyone here would fault them for putting in Strevie + Johnny and doing 3 run/sneak plays, even if we fail to score. Maybe if the only read is for Strevie to throw and he fumbles in the rain, maybe then you have a point, but chances are we don't give him license to pass unless there's a huge bust.
I don't know about you, but when I saw we were sending 5 out for a pass attempt on down 1, I had a bad feeling in my stomach. We instinctively know that this is not the WFC M.O. -- it's not who we are.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on June 14, 2024, 08:29:38 PMThey sent pressure through the gaps on first and second down so a run call with Augustine would be low percentage play. Other than the passes not working out, what makes any of you think we could suddenly bully ball our way into the endzone at the end of the game? We had our hands full picking up a yard at a time with Streveler in the game for the first 58 minutes.
Yes, you are right about the blitz. OTT bet on a combo run/pass blitz. Actually brilliant, but easily anticipated. That's why you put Strevie in with Johnny, so that we have the edge-around option for Strevie. We could have done the QB run option play where both he & Johnny run to the edge and the DB has to pick one and the QB picks the other. The 5 WRs out can clear the flat.
Other plays to defeat that blitz: QB draw screen where Strevie fades back and JA or someone sneaks out to the post. BLM was the king of this. Zach could have done this, too. Or, hitch screen might have worked to the strong side.
Or we just do what WFC does and bring in the beef 6th/7th OL/TE to negate their blitz and pound straight ahead like we always have done with AH33 (and often BO20 too).
Quote from: J5V on June 14, 2024, 09:59:12 PMAre you serious? I didn't expect this from you. Five starters injured, lots of turnover to start the season, rain-drenched ***** playing conditions and a rain delay that sapped us of our momentum in a game we could have easily won. Wow man.
Quote from: theaardvark on June 14, 2024, 03:20:04 PMBad weather, on the road, missing highest paid receiver and MOC, losing 3 D starters in the first half.
In it until the last play.
You'd be 100% right...
except this was against OTT! In 2019-2021 we would have won this game in our sleep, even given all the same conditions.
I doubt OTT breaks .500 this year. Dru looked much worse than I had expected. Still better than their other options, but not as good as us fans may have expected.
All game long Zac was looking for the 20yd or deeper pass. our oline can't provide that type of protection time atter time. Watching the montreal/elks game and seeing how effective short quick passes can be, letting your athletes perform.
We need to incorporate that into our offense in order to :
a) get more players involved
b) become less predictable
c) offset defenses that are stacking up the middle
d) keep drives going (I've never seen this offense stall so many times)
I didn't think I'd say this but we miss mcCrae, after all the receivers we brought in the only one that is better might be Wheatfall, talk about poor scouting.
I'm disappointed in Bucks play calling, we seem to have regressed from the offence that had multiple ways of attacking the running game vs just handing off up the middle.
Game recap by Ed Tait...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/06/13/game-recap-wpg-19-ott-23/
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 15, 2024, 02:04:34 AMYou'd be 100% right... except this was against OTT!
How'd we make out with Ottawa last year? I seem to recall a BO fumble that started a 16 point slide that eventually lead to an OT loss. Stuff happens, and we are a team that everyone prepares for and gets revved up to play against. No team can ever be taken lightly in this league and losses to Montreal, arguably the best team in the league and defending champs, and Ottawa, a team that gets jacked up to play us and always gives us trouble isn't exactly shocking especially at this time of year. It's early and I ain't buying the Chicken Little drama. This club hasn't let us down for the last four years. I doubt they're going to start now.
Quote from: J5V on June 14, 2024, 09:59:12 PMAre you serious? I didn't expect this from you. Five starters injured, lots of turnover to start the season, rain-drenched ***** playing conditions and a rain delay that sapped us of our momentum in a game we could have easily won. Wow man.
The tone on here was gone to panic mode for some. Get used to it. Agree all.
Quote from: Road Griller on June 14, 2024, 06:07:26 PMAs I said above, Strev is more than capable of tossing to an open receiver in RPO.
Down 1 bootleg 17 , JA on the flank, send receivers to the back of the endzone dragging the DB's. One cheats to hold the line, easy toss. See an opening, take it. Lane plugged flip it to JA and make a hole.
Sandlot football, everyone and their dog would know what's coming, try and stop it...
Not as simple as you suggest imo. Zach is lights years ahead of Strev on the pass. I would have run the ball.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 15, 2024, 01:50:17 AMMaybe, I have no stance on that. But I will point out that Ayers was in on a lot of the ST tackles in week 2. He was flying around and generally in the right place. He seems good at shedding blockers.
I'm not against Ayers and he may turn out to be a good player in the near future. I'm just thinking that Jones has more experience and very good on ST's as well, plus he's played much more on defence. So in that sense he's more game ready and versatile than Jones is now.
Also noting that Feltmate made 2 ST's in his 1st game and was involved quite a bit.
Upon Further Review | WPG 19 OTT 23
"..."Let me see what I've got for you," began the veteran receiver (Drew Wolitarsky). "I'll start by speaking for myself — I definitely have a play I would like to take back, man. We all probably would. That's the thing — it's a different year here and we aren't in the position now to think that things are just going to happen for us.
"We definitely need to evaluate this film and we definitely need to start faster. We started so slow. We started slow last week. We've got to change something to start faster to bring that energy sooner, to bring that focus in. It's like we're waiting for something big to happen because in the past somebody would make that big play and we had so many guys we could rely on regularly.
"Again, it's just different right now," he said after a moment of further reflection. "We need to accept that and figure out a way to start faster. That's just what I'm feeling. This is a brand new year. This is a very brand new team. We had another three guys go down tonight (to injury, in Deatrick Nichols, Celestin Haba and Miles Fox). We've got young guys coming in... as leaders we need to lead and as leaders we need to teach. This is a different position we find ourselves in where we're relying on guys and some of them this is their first year or their first game. We had some guys who stepped up tonight. You saw that....
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/06/15/upon-further-review-wpg-19-ott-23/
Question: When we got to the 7 at the end of the game, why didn't we go tempo O for the 1st down? Surely at that point OTT still had their pass-defense set on the field, right?
That should be advantage WPG to have our hoggies and R blockers help Johnny to just pound it in after zero substitutions allowed to OTT? OTT would have hardly any beef in the game, no?
Or was that the point that Johnson took a knee... maybe we were going to do the above and OTT "pulled a SSK" with a bogus injury to get the subs in?
If no injury, I go tempo O and pound it in on 3 tries with Johnny (maybe with a Strev sneak for the final 1 if needed, as subs wouldn't hurt us on the 1).
If injury, then why not bring in the jumbo crew with 7 hoggies plus Strev and let Strev & Johnny take turns running it down their throats?
Ugh, when AH33 was here we knew what to do... The only thing saving me from conniptions is this was just a week 2 game, not a GC. I'd go apoplectic if we lost a GC this way. (knocks wood)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 16, 2024, 10:23:25 AMQuestion: When we got to the 7 at the end of the game, why didn't we go tempo O for the 1st down? Surely at that point OTT still had their pass-defense set on the field, right?
That should be advantage WPG to have our hoggies and R blockers help Johnny to just pound it in after zero substitutions allowed to OTT? OTT would have hardly any beef in the game, no?
Or was that the point that Johnson took a knee... maybe we were going to do the above and OTT "pulled a SSK" with a bogus injury to get the subs in?
If no injury, I go tempo O and pound it in on 3 tries with Johnny (maybe with a Strev sneak for the final 1 if needed, as subs wouldn't hurt us on the 1).
If injury, then why not bring in the jumbo crew with 7 hoggies plus Strev and let Strev & Johnny take turns running it down their throats?
Ugh, when AH33 was here we knew what to do... The only thing saving me from conniptions is this was just a week 2 game, not a GC. I'd go apoplectic if we lost a GC this way. (knocks wood)
The answer to the 1st question is that we also wanted to kill as much time as possible. That's another reason we should have run or throw a screen on 1st down. Scoring on 1st down was not necessary. Moving forward a few yards would have created easier choices from the 2 - 4 yard yard for example.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 16, 2024, 01:21:21 PMThe answer to the 1st question is that we also wanted to kill as much time as possible.
But you can go tempo-O and still kill clock! Tempo is just saying you aren't going to substitute and thus the opponent cannot either. You can still sit there after that and snap the ball with 2s left on the play clock!
So ya, I still wonder why we didn't go tempo to keep the passing D in and run it down their throats, after bleeding the clock down.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 17, 2024, 07:00:16 AMBut you can go tempo-O and still kill clock! Tempo is just saying you aren't going to substitute and thus the opponent cannot either. You can still sit there after that and snap the ball with 2s left on the play clock!
So ya, I still wonder why we didn't go tempo to keep the passing D in and run it down their throats, after bleeding the clock down.
That's a two street and we don't change personal. As some have pointed out, getting Streveler into the game as an option.
I don't remember who we had on the field and I've deleted the game from the PVR. Regardless there was no real excuse for not being able to score. Lousy play calling and worse execution.
I rewatched the week 1 game. I'm not sure anymore that the OL problem is Dobson. I saw a ton of Ko-man mistakes. Like lots.
There also was a lot of whiffing and blocking air on run plays by nearly everyone, even Big Stan. Lofton, Ko-man, Stan and the 6th would often be out there blocking nothing when there were D guys coming in behind them, or needing blocking at the point of attack.
Sometimes the widest 5th or 6th (Lofton or Wallace) would waste time on a kick out block when the run play was away from there and they'd be better served running downfield to block the LBs.
The extra blocking receivers (like Demski) were sometimes late into the box and completely whiffing on their blocks. Brady was getting molested in the backfield by these Ds blowing up the C gap.
I didn't notice Neufeld sucking at all.
The OL was definitely getting played by MTL D looks. Any stunt whatsoever was fooling us. Thorpe's version of Hall's show-X-bring-Y was completely confusing the OL and Zach. We simply had no answers. Many times they'd end up bringing 3 and still beating us and harassing Zach. Same with 4.
The MTL D basically looked like the WPG 2019-2021 D. They did all the same tricks. Had the same strengths. Forced the same errors. Thorpe basically copied Hall. MTL out-WPG'd us. Sad, sad day.
There is lots the OL needs to do to improve in every aspect; and Zach in terms of reading the pass rush. If I had to pick 1 OL to replace after looking at week 1, it'd actually be Ko-man. A bit of a surprise. I'm not sure Eli is the answer. Has a CFL team ever played an IMP C?? We have nothing to lose by trying...
When I rewatch week 2, also focusing on the OL, maybe I'll have to alter my opinion.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 19, 2024, 10:34:57 AMI rewatched the week 1 game. I'm not sure anymore that the OL problem is Dobson. I saw a ton of Ko-man mistakes. Like lots.
There also was a lot of whiffing and blocking air on run plays by nearly everyone, even Big Stan. Lofton, Ko-man, Stan and the 6th would often be out there blocking nothing when there were D guys coming in behind them, or needing blocking at the point of attack.
Sometimes the widest 5th or 6th (Lofton or Wallace) would waste time on a kick out block when the run play was away from there and they'd be better served running downfield to block the LBs.
The extra blocking receivers (like Demski) were sometimes late into the box and completely whiffing on their blocks. Brady was getting molested in the backfield by these Ds blowing up the C gap.
I didn't notice Neufeld sucking at all.
The OL was definitely getting played by MTL D looks. Any stunt whatsoever was fooling us. Thorpe's version of Hall's show-X-bring-Y was completely confusing the OL and Zach. We simply had no answers. Many times they'd end up bringing 3 and still beating us and harassing Zach. Same with 4.
The MTL D basically looked like the WPG 2019-2021 D. They did all the same tricks. Had the same strengths. Forced the same errors. Thorpe basically copied Hall. MTL out-WPG'd us. Sad, sad day.
There is lots the OL needs to do to improve in every aspect; and Zach in terms of reading the pass rush. If I had to pick 1 OL to replace after looking at week 1, it'd actually be Ko-man. A bit of a surprise. I'm not sure Eli is the answer. Has a CFL team ever played an IMP C?? We have nothing to lose by trying...
When I rewatch week 2, also focusing on the OL, maybe I'll have to alter my opinion.
Do people really have a high opinion of our centre play? For me, he's the obvious weak link. He's just some guy we picked off the street when Couture got injured, isn't he? I'm shocked that Eli hasn't been the starter since he re-signed.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 17, 2024, 07:00:16 AMBut you can go tempo-O and still kill clock! Tempo is just saying you aren't going to substitute and thus the opponent cannot either. You can still sit there after that and snap the ball with 2s left on the play clock!
So ya, I still wonder why we didn't go tempo to keep the passing D in and run it down their throats, after bleeding the clock down.
Tempo is best for a high performing offence that is firing on all cynlinders and players are playing as a cohesive group, they can almost read each others minds...that is not us at this point - not even close. the risk is far too high that someone will make a mistake and turnover or take a bad penalty.
Quote from: Jesse on June 19, 2024, 11:05:38 AMDo people really have a high opinion of our centre play? For me, he's the obvious weak link. He's just some guy we picked off the street when Couture got injured, isn't he? I'm shocked that Eli hasn't been the starter since he re-signed.
Well, he has been with the club since 2020. Of course there was no football that year. In 2021 he was on the PR most of the year but ended up on the AR for the GC. In 2022 he started 15 games for the Bombers while Couture was injured. In 2023 he became our starting C. So, he has been with the Bombers for a few years now.
Quote from: Jesse on June 19, 2024, 11:05:38 AMDo people really have a high opinion of our centre play? For me, he's the obvious weak link. He's just some guy we picked off the street when Couture got injured, isn't he? I'm shocked that Eli hasn't been the starter since he re-signed.
Ya, but the couple of starts or spells Eli was in at C he was getting trucked onto his butt or whiffing even worse than Ko-man. Doesn't mean he hasn't dev'd better by now... but I wouldn't bet money on it.
That's why I ask if some beast IMP C doesn't exist somewhere... CFL always focuses on IMP OTs because they are the most critical position, so there's so few good IMP OTs left to choose from (hence why they are coveted like Yoshi). But the USA U system is also putting out gobs of IMP OG and Cs... the same number of them must be available to the CFL as OTs. So in theory there should be many good beast ones we can look at?
Just because it's not traditionally done, doesn't mean we can't do it. Since we're always 1-3 over ratio, there's absolutely nothing stopping us. And an IMP C would by definition be an ELC, so it fits within our budget.
Yes, I do know C has a ton of responsibilities for calling out D formations, but I don't think that differs too much between Canada & US? They might be able to pick the game up quickly.
Streveler is our best player. Hands down, sign him long term!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 19, 2024, 11:28:45 PMYa, but the couple of starts or spells Eli was in at C he was getting trucked onto his butt or whiffing even worse than Ko-man. Doesn't mean he hasn't dev'd better by now... but I wouldn't bet money on it.
That's why I ask if some beast IMP C doesn't exist somewhere... CFL always focuses on IMP OTs because they are the most critical position, so there's so few good IMP OTs left to choose from (hence why they are coveted like Yoshi). But the USA U system is also putting out gobs of IMP OG and Cs... the same number of them must be available to the CFL as OTs. So in theory there should be many good beast ones we can look at?
Just because it's not traditionally done, doesn't mean we can't do it. Since we're always 1-3 over ratio, there's absolutely nothing stopping us. And an IMP C would by definition be an ELC, so it fits within our budget.
Yes, I do know C has a ton of responsibilities for calling out D formations, but I don't think that differs too much between Canada & US? They might be able to pick the game up quickly.
With all the talented Canadian centres out there, no need to go import. Plus Eli is basically an import.