Lots of moving parts and lots in play today.
1. Injury status. I think we know which veterans won't be available but we might see a rookie or 2 hit the 1 game IR?
2. I don't think we'll start the season with 2 global players on the AR. If we do I think Karamoko the most probable 2nd one?
3. Ratio: T. Ford is likely going to start. Not really sure what happens with Kramdi and Cole at SAM. Both will be on the roster but which starts and how does it impact the ratio.
4. Ratio: Losing Lawson could mean we want to start 2 import interior DL. We can and I think we will.
5. DI's: Castillo and Smith will be 2. Not sure how the others will shake out based on the 1st 4 items. However, a general expectation of 2 more defensive players, possibly another DL and a LB.
Who won starting roles or DI roles? Pre -season didn't really help posters. Decisions made more in practice.
General expectation that some combination of Haba / Garbutt and Fox make the roster. Several players are in the hunt at LB.
Will there be any surprises?
Will be interesting to see who of the RBs we keep.
BO might not even be ready for Game 1, so Augustine could start.
Smith likely sticks around mostly for returns.
Rosery has shown enough to keep around, and could be plugged into a WR spot
And recently drafted Chris-Ike has lots of promise
I don't want to see any of them go!
We'll need to see which veterans are actually injured and not available for the 1st game or longer. Alexander, Wilson and Eli are still question marks. Even Oliveria might not be ready for game 1.
That could potentially lead to significant roster changes.
Some interesting thoughts about final roster on the other site.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2024, 03:40:05 PMWe'll need to see which veterans are actually injured and not available for the 1st game or longer. Alexander, Wilson and Eli are still question marks. Even Oliveria might not be ready for game 1.
That could potentially lead to significant roster changes.
Some interesting thoughts about final roster on the other site.
Could be a good opportunity to shake things up and experiment with structural changes to the lineup, instead of just pencilling in the most likely candidates as temp. replacements. The ratio along the D-line could be examined as well as the future of the LB and Safety positions.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Kyrie Wilson is a surprise cut. Tre Thomas and Petrishen got all the pre season reps. Some reports about Wilson being nicked but that's one of the reasons I think he may be released.
Looking at his history, he's missed more games than he's played. He's very good when healthy but when exactly is that? Age, SMS and competition this year.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2024, 04:31:02 PMI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Kyrie Wilson is a surprise cut. Tre Thomas and Petrishen got all the pre season reps. Some reports about Wilson being nicked but that's one of the reasons I think he may be released.
Looking at his history, he's missed more games than he's played. He's very good when healthy but when exactly is that? Age, SMS and competition this year.
I think Wilson is needed with Bighill out. 1 rookie at MLB is tough. Rookies at both WILL&Mike would be ugly, even if Gauthier is plugged there.
Hopefully we can keep a few of the best guys around to take over nextyear.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2024, 04:31:02 PMI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Kyrie Wilson is a surprise cut. Tre Thomas and Petrishen got all the pre season reps. Some reports about Wilson being nicked but that's one of the reasons I think he may be released.
Looking at his history, he's missed more games than he's played. He's very good when healthy but when exactly is that? Age, SMS and competition this year.
Courageous prediction. I would be shocked.
I'd be shocked but very in favour of moving on from Wilson. Petrishen isn't young either though.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2024, 04:31:02 PMI'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest Kyrie Wilson is a surprise cut. Tre Thomas and Petrishen got all the pre season reps. Some reports about Wilson being nicked but that's one of the reasons I think he may be released.
Looking at his history, he's missed more games than he's played. He's very good when healthy but when exactly is that? Age, SMS and competition this year.
Considering Wilson was on the field and practiced on Wednesday, not sure he is that nicked up.
Quote from: Mike on June 01, 2024, 05:29:20 PMI'd be shocked but very in favour of moving on from Wilson. Petrishen isn't young either though.
Just looking at the fact he's only played 21 games in the last 3 seasons. That's less than half. Only 10 last year. Tre Thomas and Cole are possible replacements. Again, not sure what the plan for Cole will be quite yet, but Kramdi at SAM and Cole at Wil is not the worst idea either.
I guess the bombers will keep one of the quarterbacks from last night but I would bring another Qb in. Neither Qb looked like they are ready to be in the CFL.Maybe Prokop might be worth bringing in.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2024, 05:51:21 PMJust looking at the fact he's only played 21 games in the last 3 seasons. That's less than half. Only 10 last year. Tre Thomas and Cole are possible replacements. Again, not sure what the plan for Cole will be quite yet, but Kramdi at SAM and Cole at Wil is not the worst idea either.
Don't see that happening, if they thought parting ways with Wilson was the thing to do they would have made that decision earlier out of respect for his past service. At most I see them holding onto one or two of the new LB's one of which will be sent to the PR, Cole and Kramdi may end up sharing duties at SAM as they're both good ST players.
One or two new imports kept for the D-line unless they're prepared to replace Habba, Garbutt or Fox which I doubt, newcomer Adams looks to have one of those spots locked up at DT and Upshaw may earn a spot on the PR. Really depends if they intend to mess with the ratio on the D-line, Samson is a Natl. DT that I'm sure they will want to develop further on the PR as he looked decent in yesterdays game.
The suggestion that Wilson will be cut is really a stretch imo. If injuries has caught up with him maybe that could happen. I would suspect he is a key cog for this season (hope).
I can see why some might be leaning that way through due to past issues.
You guys are still loaded at DT, even with Lawson injured. No need to change the ratio.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on June 01, 2024, 11:12:34 PMYou guys are still loaded at DT, even with Lawson injured. No need to change the ratio.
If Lawson didn't get injured I'd agree. Now the question is whether we have good Canadian depth on the DL. With T. Ford starting and still possibly Kramdi, we could start 2 imports at DT. Talent seems to have been found, so I wouldn't rule it out.
Several posters wanted Bennett last year and now he's available. I don't know if we are interested or what SMS it might require. I might suggest Fine could be a candidate to look into as well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2024, 11:40:15 PMIf Lawson didn't get injured I'd agree. Now the question is whether we have good Canadian depth on the DL. With T. Ford starting and still possibly Kramdi, we could start 2 imports at DT. Talent seems to have been found, so I wouldn't rule it out.
Several posters wanted Bennett last year and now he's available. I don't know if we are interested or what SMS it might require. I might suggest Fine could be a candidate to look into as well.
You still have Smeckel, Thomas, Adamson and maybe Samson doesn't return to UBC.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on June 01, 2024, 11:59:21 PMYou still have Smeckel, Thomas, Adamson and maybe Samson doesn't return to UBC.
Adamson was not invited to this camp, maybe you're thinking of Kornelson?
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on June 01, 2024, 11:59:21 PMYou still have Smeckel, Thomas, Adamson and maybe Samson doesn't return to UBC.
Schmekel may have improved since 2023 but there was a long list of posters that wanted him released.
Not sure if Samson is going back to UBC for another season. Kornelson might make the AR but he's unproven.
So we're a little light on experience on the Canadian DL choices.
Bombers and only 2 other teams lists have not shown up yet. O'Shea always seems to be the last.
Kornelson might be cut or placed in IR. I believe he was wearing a boot last week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 02, 2024, 12:44:55 AMSchmekel may have improved since 2023 but there was a long list of posters that wanted him released.
Not sure if Samson is going back to UBC for another season. Kornelson might make the AR but he's unproven.
So we're a little light on experience on the Canadian DL choices.
Bombers and only 2 other teams lists have not shown up yet. O'Shea always seems to be the last.
I don't think much will change, Jake and Schmek on the AR and Samson on the PR if he's not going back to school. The same depth they've had at Natl. DT the past few seasons.
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 02, 2024, 12:44:55 AMBombers and only 2 other teams lists have not shown up yet. O'Shea always seems to be the last.
Is there a deadline for this?
Quote from: bwiser on June 01, 2024, 06:09:24 PMI guess the bombers will keep one of the quarterbacks from last night but I would bring another Qb in. Neither Qb looked like they are ready to be in the CFL.Maybe Prokop might be worth bringing in.
We need to quickly figure out what Strevie is here for. Is it to be QB 1b? Is it for SY? Is it to be to be a multi-game injury replacement for Zach (QB 2?).
If Strevie is going to get dinged up doing his 2019 raging-Strevie thing, then he can't be all 3.
Figuring out what Strevie really is for us will be key to deciding who gets that last QB spot.
If you want the last QB spot to be a QB2 because you're using Strevie in a punching-bag role, then Wilson seems ok but not great. But was Dru Brown any better as a rookie in his first PS run?
If you want to protect Strevie as our best shot at a legit #2 (and maybe Zach heir in 1-2 years), then you bring back Prukop as the league's best SY.
Under no circumstances do you bring Prukop in as the QB2 (Zach backup), as this PS has proven yet again he's Brohm-lite. All the above can apply to the other cut QBs like Fine and Pipkin.
(There is a chance even Prukop would be beyond our $SMS$ though.)
Quote from: Blue In BC on June 01, 2024, 05:51:21 PMJust looking at the fact he's only played 21 games in the last 3 seasons. That's less than half.
Wilson: ya but what does it cost us? If we're not giving him significant signing bonuses, and he's making within 20% of ELC, and he's 6GIR half the season, then it really costs us nothing to keep him. I guess he's become like Jeffcoat: super valuable when healthy, often tub-bound. But I'm nearly positive Wilson has never earned anywhere near Jeffcoat's $ last year.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 02, 2024, 01:03:00 AMI don't think much will change, Jake and Schmek on the AR and Samson on the PR if he's not going back to school. The same depth they've had at Natl. DT the past few seasons.
Lawson would have seen the most reps as the Canadian at DT. He's played 33 games. Schmekel has played 5 and as I suggested, some posters wanted him released in 2023. At best he's going to be a down grade at DT in the short term. Long term we'll see.
So saying it's the same is it's only a ratio equivalent but not a talent equivalent.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 02, 2024, 01:32:45 AMWilson: ya but what does it cost us? If we're not giving him significant signing bonuses, and he's making within 20% of ELC, and he's 6GIR half the season, then it really costs us nothing to keep him. I guess he's become like Jeffcoat: super valuable when healthy, often tub-bound. But I'm nearly positive Wilson has never earned anywhere near Jeffcoat's $ last year.
It may mean we don't get to retain his replacement. Not every rookie will accept a PR spot and the number of spots is limited.
It means that the next man up when there is an injury may not be available.
I don't know what Wilson's salary is at the moment. It's the lesser issue to his ability to stay healthy and age.
He's a very good player when he's on the field.
Look around the league cuts so far today. Veterans being released. I'd say injury history has been a factor for many of them.
Actually I'd say that's the primary reason Jeffcoat was not re-signed. SMS would have been high, but injury issues sealed his fate.
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on June 02, 2024, 01:25:34 AMthink midnight tonight
Thanks! Good thing I'm always up late! ;D ;D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on June 02, 2024, 01:31:09 AMWe need to quickly figure out what Strevie is here for. Is it to be QB 1b? Is it for SY? Is it to be to be a multi-game injury replacement for Zach (QB 2?).
If Strevie is going to get dinged up doing his 2019 raging-Strevie thing, then he can't be all 3.
Figuring out what Strevie really is for us will be key to deciding who gets that last QB spot.
If you want the last QB spot to be a QB2 because you're using Strevie in a punching-bag role, then Wilson seems ok but not great. But was Dru Brown any better as a rookie in his first PS run?
If you want to protect Strevie as our best shot at a legit #2 (and maybe Zach heir in 1-2 years), then you bring back Prukop as the league's best SY.
Under no circumstances do you bring Prukop in as the QB2 (Zach backup), as this PS has proven yet again he's Brohm-lite. All the above can apply to the other cut QBs like Fine and Pipkin.
(There is a chance even Prukop would be beyond our $SMS$ though.)
I think Strev. came back to Wpg. on a one year deal to get his foot back in the CFL starting QB door. I don't think he'll agree to play for peanuts again next season and I don't think he's prepared to wait until Zach retires sometime in the next 5 years for his turn to start. How this plan works out for him all depends on what he shows this season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on June 02, 2024, 02:10:23 AMI think Strev. came back to Wpg. on a one year deal to get his foot back in the CFL starting QB door. I don't think he'll agree to play for peanuts again next season and I don't think he's prepared to wait until Zach retires sometime in the next 5 years for his turn to start. How this plan works out for him all depends on what he shows this season.
Zach is probably retiring after 2025, if I had to wager. Sooner if there's some kind of injury bug (knock wood). Strev only has to wait through 1 or 2 seasons. Surely these thoughts have entered Mafia and Strevie's heads, if not outright spoken.
But ya, even if Zach plays until Tom Brady age, it does get Strevie back on the CFL carousel.
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 02, 2024, 02:29:39 AM10:00 pm CDT
I figured I'd be late to the game, but still nothing?
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 02, 2024, 03:37:41 AMI figured I'd be late to the game, but still nothing?
Nada. I'm watching everywhere. Nothing.
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/06/01/cutdown-tracker-teams-make-their-final-roster-moves-2/
Has some funny comments right about now about WPG specifically...
Just like the depth charts not being up by a guaranteed time on cfl.ca, the league has dropped the ball now on roster cuts.
I guess there's still hope everyone got it wrong and the deadline is midnight local time...
Well, 1am WPG time and no cut list. I'm watching every CFLish site. Nothing from BC yet either. I guess no one @CFL is bothering to care about this tonight. No peep on bb.com either, so I'm a bit disappointed.
Oh well, I'll find out when I wake up tomorrow. Unless we decided to keep everyone and cut no one! :P
3:15 A.M. Mountain time and I STILL SEE NOTHING for Bombers cuts. Guess O'Shea and company are sleeping cozily in their beds not worrying too much about it! ;) Probably sitting in an e-mail or fax at CFL HQ, just nobody there to read or pick it up!! :D
P.S. Rowdy Roddy Black is BACK in the sports biz I notice! Saw him doing play by play on TSN for that new Canadian Basketball league the other weekend from the Peg! First home game for Winnipeg's team. Remember there was some lame basketball league in Winnipeg also in late 80's or early 90's. Think it was for players only 6'4" and under or something bizarre like that! Think I still have a game program from that! ;)
I remember one year we didn't find out until we went to practice Sunday and tried to figure out who was missing. That year there was a lot of chatter in the stands about one thing, everyone saying "Where's Stevie Baggs?" The internet has us spoiled now.
Bombers seem to always wait until the very end - or maybe it's cause we care more about it...
Gotta think in the next couple of hours they will be released
Come on Blue Bombers fans want to know who has made this team! ???
Quote from: The Zipp on June 02, 2024, 01:36:27 PMBombers seem to always wait until the very end - or maybe it's cause we care more about it...
Gotta think in the next couple of hours they will be released
I understand that you'd want to look at all the tape after the Friday game. And then inform the players before they see it online. And get all the practice roster stuff signed off. But, by rule, it should now be done. So I guess we're just waiting for people to roll out of bed and post it all on the various sites.
Quote from: pdirks67 on June 02, 2024, 01:55:31 PMI understand that you'd want to look at all the tape after the Friday game. And then inform the players before they see it online. And get all the practice roster stuff signed off. But, by rule, it should now be done. So I guess we're just waiting for people to roll out of bed and post it all on the various sites.
You can be sure the Bombers have notified the league by 10 pm last night but they always want to make sure the players know before the information is released to the public, whether or not the news is released by the CFL or the Bombers.
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 02, 2024, 02:06:44 PMYou can be sure the Bombers have notified the league by 10 pm last night but they always want to make sure the players know before the information is released to the public, whether or not the news is released by the CFL or the Bombers.
Ya, makes sense. But this is kind of the same problem I have with the depth chart procedure and/or the existence or not of the mysterious mythical provided-to-the-league game-day roster (vs the graphic we fans get): public transparency.
If there's a deadline for certain documents mandated by the league then that deadline should include public availability, preferably in a central, easily-found location.
If 10pm was the deadline then there should have been a CFL.ca page that was guaranteed to have all those documents for us to see by 10pm. No exceptions. Same with the weekly game depth charts. (It's easy for someone to program a way for the teams to put those documents in place even if everyone from the league itself is asleep.)
I wonder how the NFL handles these things. I'm going to guess they handle it much better.