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The Extra Point => Blue Bomber & CFL Discussion Forum => Topic started by: Pigskin on May 26, 2024, 07:52:36 PM

Title: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Pigskin on May 26, 2024, 07:52:36 PM
I would expect we will most of our starting offence and defense early in this game. Still question marks around DE, DT, LB, KR. OL should be pretty solid but, we need to find that last piece of the puzzle for our OL. Apparently it's Lofton's job to lose. I would also like to see us run a little more. 14 running plays in a game is not enough.   
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: BBRT on May 26, 2024, 09:10:18 PM
just back yet again from an extended business trip to South America and finally can stay home and discuss the  Bombers.

I have not kept up with all the commings and goings but sounds like this year we may have more holes to fill that previous years and with Biggy on the 6 game have a major issue there. Also as above DE and DT positions plus a fill in for Biggy are our biggest concerns. I think the OL will be fine just have to wait and see who fills the RT spot.

My thoughts are that we need to build toward midseason and beyond and while 1st in West would be very important, even more important in my eyes is to be able to enter the playoffs with a 100% injury free or nearly injury free group.

Just some thoughts as I struggle to catch up. South America is nice but no CFL discussions anywhere!
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 27, 2024, 03:31:41 AM
Quote from: BBRT on May 26, 2024, 09:10:18 PMI have not kept up with all the commings and goings but sounds like this year we may have more holes to fill that previous years and with Biggy on the 6 game have a major issue there.

Biggie's on the 6GIR?  News to me, did I miss that elsewhere?  I thought it was Lawson that was the big 6G news.

Maybe Clements gets cut in TC? and we can get him back?  Or is he a lock as a rotational guy.  Pretty sure we don't want to roll with Cole et al starting for 1/3rd of the season...

Quote from: Pigskin on May 26, 2024, 07:52:36 PM...puzzle for our OL. Apparently it's Lofton's job to lose.

I read that incorrectly on first read... hehe.  "It's Lofton's job to lose [games]".

But yes, I'd like to see enough of the starters to build up a lead to give the home fans something to cheer about.  That's what all the other teams usually do in their home games.  Did you see how long they left BLM out in the @HAM game!?  I don't want to see Zach that long, but he should get at least a quarter, with the starting OL...
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 27, 2024, 03:57:45 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 27, 2024, 03:31:41 AMBiggie's on the 6GIR?  News to me, did I miss that elsewhere?  I thought it was Lawson that was the big 6G news.

Maybe Clements gets cut in TC? and we can get him back?  Or is he a lock as a rotational guy.  Pretty sure we don't want to roll with Cole et al starting for 1/3rd of the season...


Malik Clements signed with the Argos but then announced his retirement, it might possibly have something to do with him attending dental school.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 27, 2024, 07:30:18 AM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 27, 2024, 03:57:45 AMMalik Clements signed with the Argos but then announced his retirement, it might possibly have something to do with him attending dental school.

Darn, guess if he wanted to pull a "Lemon" we'd still have to negotiate with TOR... unless they waived him somehow.  I know he's not the answer, but if Biggie is toast for a while then we need some vet answers @MLB.  There's a decent chunk of SMS we can use if we keep him on the 6 for full 6.

Can you imagine our D under new DC with Cole @MLB for 6+ weeks??  Ya, x% chance he is the next Biggie, but a bigger x% chance he's the next Hurl -- but without the passport!
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: CrazyCanuck89 on May 27, 2024, 02:15:10 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 27, 2024, 07:30:18 AMDarn, guess if he wanted to pull a "Lemon" we'd still have to negotiate with TOR... unless they waived him somehow.  I know he's not the answer, but if Biggie is toast for a while then we need some vet answers @MLB.  There's a decent chunk of SMS we can use if we keep him on the 6 for full 6.

Can you imagine our D under new DC with Cole @MLB for 6+ weeks??  Ya, x% chance he is the next Biggie, but a bigger x% chance he's the next Hurl -- but without the passport!

You don't need vet answers at MLB.  Play a rookie there and have the WLB, call the defense.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 27, 2024, 03:13:51 PM
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on May 27, 2024, 02:15:10 PMYou don't need vet answers at MLB.  Play a rookie there and have the WLB, call the defense.

MLB is too complicated for a rookie to play so early in their first year, don't see it happening, could have been well prepped Clements if they managed their spending well, but will likely be Gauthier for the first while.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: kkc60 on May 27, 2024, 03:22:06 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 27, 2024, 03:13:51 PMMLB is too complicated for a rookie to play so early in their first year, don't see it happening, could have been well prepped Clements if they managed their spending well, but will likely be Gauthier for the first while.
I could see a mix of Gauthier and a rookie. The Bombers like to rotate their LBs.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Blueforlife on May 27, 2024, 04:08:47 PM
Huge game for us to figure out the missing pieces.  We have the corner pieces just need to fill the rest of the puzzle out.

Might be missing few on D. 

Agree on rotation at LB, same thing for DL.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: ichabod_crane on May 27, 2024, 11:47:02 PM
Quote from: BBRT on May 26, 2024, 09:10:18 PMjust back yet again from an extended business trip to South America and finally can stay home and discuss the  Bombers.

I have not kept up with all the commings and goings but sounds like this year we may have more holes to fill that previous years and with Biggy on the 6 game have a major issue there. Also as above DE and DT positions plus a fill in for Biggy are our biggest concerns. I think the OL will be fine just have to wait and see who fills the RT spot.

My thoughts are that we need to build toward midseason and beyond and while 1st in West would be very important, even more important in my eyes is to be able to enter the playoffs with a 100% injury free or nearly injury free group.

Just some thoughts as I struggle to catch up. South America is nice but no CFL discussions anywhere!

Your account photo is Diet "Don't call me Ralph" the Treat!! Ahh the good ol' days when I first got into the Bombers as a kid! :D ;)
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: BomberFan73 on May 28, 2024, 12:27:06 AM
I don't think MLB will be too tough for a rookie.  Bighill will be coaching them the whole way.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 04:45:55 AM
Quote from: BomberFan73 on May 28, 2024, 12:27:06 AMI don't think MLB will be too tough for a rookie.  Bighill will be coaching them the whole way.

Alright, name the last rookie MLB that started for the Bombers?
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: BomberFan73 on May 28, 2024, 12:25:38 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 04:45:55 AMAlright, name the last rookie MLB that started for the Bombers?

But Its been Bighill's job for so long (this is his 7th year here?), its not really a fair arguement.
In 2017 we started Sam Hurl there, and the year before Kahil Bass who was in his 2nd year

Neither had a player who was probably a better coach than their actual LB coach. Yes, there is alot to process at that position, but if we go with the right guy (skills & brains) I just think that Biggie can really help.

You could be right though and they start Gauthier there for a couple games
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 03:14:27 PM
Quote from: BomberFan73 on May 28, 2024, 12:25:38 PMBut Its been Bighill's job for so long (this is his 7th year here?), its not really a fair arguement.
In 2017 we started Sam Hurl there, and the year before Kahil Bass who was in his 2nd year

Neither had a player who was probably a better coach than their actual LB coach. Yes, there is alot to process at that position, but if we go with the right guy (skills & brains) I just think that Biggie can really help.

You could be right though and they start Gauthier there for a couple games

Coach on the sideline won't be much help when **** goes down on the field and they have to adapt. Clements was trained to replace Bighill and they let him fly out the window like a bird.  Before Bighill they had a couple of very athletic candidates for MLB, I think one was Kyle Knox, he never did pan out because he couldn't process the assignments quick enough.  They eventually reverted back to Sam Hurl who had spent the previous year playing only ST after stumbling through his first year in blue at MLB.  Hurl had played in Sask. previously but don't believe he was ever a starter.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: theaardvark on May 28, 2024, 03:38:22 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 03:14:27 PMCoach on the sideline won't be much help when **** goes down on the field and they have to adapt. Clements was trained to replace Bighill and they let him fly out the window like a bird.  Before Bighill they had a couple of very athletic candidates for MLB, I think one was Kyle Knox, he never did pan out because he couldn't process the assignments quick enough.  They eventually reverted back to Sam Hurl who had spent the previous year playing only ST after stumbling through his first year in blue at MLB.  Hurl had played in Sask. previously but don't believe he was ever a starter.

Fly out the window like a bird?  When you are a FA, you have the right to sign wherever you want, and we had Bighill under contract, so you cannot stop Clements from "flying like a bird" without cutting Bighill...

Why Clements is on the retired list now at 27, and is he actually retired, or doesn't want to be a part of the Argo/Kelly debacle, and whether we should be looking at whether he is available is anther question.  Yes, he bailed on the team and signed with the Argo's, but again, the Argos need a starting MLB, and we have Biggie under contract for at least another year, so you can't fault that decision.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Pigskin on May 28, 2024, 03:40:33 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 03:14:27 PMCoach on the sideline won't be much help when **** goes down on the field and they have to adapt. Clements was trained to replace Bighill and they let him fly out the window like a bird.  Before Bighill they had a couple of very athletic candidates for MLB, I think one was Kyle Knox, he never did pan out because he couldn't process the assignments quick enough.  They eventually reverted back to Sam Hurl who had spent the previous year playing only ST after stumbling through his first year in blue at MLB.  Hurl had played in Sask. previously but don't believe he was ever a starter.

I think if we had of signed Clements, we would still be in the same situation Clements ended up retiring to follow a different path outside of football. I think the Bombers knew he was leaning in that direction. 
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: theaardvark on May 28, 2024, 03:49:04 PM
Interesting bit from a piece about Malik:

"I want to be back in that type of culture," he said. "That culture is different in Winnipeg, it's like a family."

His off-season plans including training, possibly a job in case management in Columbus and trying to move his Danville outreach program forward with partners and supporters that include family members.


https://cardinalnews.org/2023/12/20/danvilles-malik-clements-uses-canadian-football-career-to-promote-mental-health/

Sounds like he's the kind of guy that won't stand for the crap Kelly pulled off, or want to play for a team that covered it up.

Maybe we can get him back, if he still wants to play.

Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Jesse on May 28, 2024, 05:09:56 PM
I'm not worried about MLB. Bighill isn't the same guy he used to be, it might actually help us to get someone more athletic in there.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: kkc60 on May 28, 2024, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: Jesse on May 28, 2024, 05:09:56 PMI'm not worried about MLB. Bighill isn't the same guy he used to be, it might actually help us to get someone more athletic in there.
I agree. Bighill looked a step behind at times last year, mental gaffes may arise without him but athleticism should help correct them
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 28, 2024, 06:07:15 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 03:14:27 PMClements was trained to replace Bighill and they let him fly out the window like a bird..

He was...?

His being unretained via free agency seems to fly in the face of that claim.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Blue In BC on May 28, 2024, 06:24:43 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on May 28, 2024, 03:38:22 PMFly out the window like a bird?  When you are a FA, you have the right to sign wherever you want, and we had Bighill under contract, so you cannot stop Clements from "flying like a bird" without cutting Bighill...

Why Clements is on the retired list now at 27, and is he actually retired, or doesn't want to be a part of the Argo/Kelly debacle, and whether we should be looking at whether he is available is anther question.  Yes, he bailed on the team and signed with the Argo's, but again, the Argos need a starting MLB, and we have Biggie under contract for at least another year, so you can't fault that decision.

If he comes out of retirement then he's under contact in Toronto. Regardless we needed to move on IMO.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 07:41:07 PM
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 28, 2024, 06:07:15 PMHe was...?

His being unretained via free agency seems to fly in the face of that claim.

You can't retain a player if you don't have the money to do so, Grant, Jeffcoat, Bailey, Clements, Gray. None of them wanted to play for less money than they were earning last season, so they went elsewhere or quit football entirely.  Tah Da!
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: blue_gold_84 on May 28, 2024, 08:16:21 PM
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 07:41:07 PMYou can't retain a player if you don't have the money to do so, Grant, Jeffcoat, Bailey, Clements, Gray. None of them wanted to play for less money than they were earning last season, so they went elsewhere or quit football entirely.  Tah Da!

It would stand to reason, though, that if the team were high enough on a player to retain, they'd have found a way. My point being: Clements was ostensibly deemed expendable.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: theaardvark on May 28, 2024, 10:17:16 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 28, 2024, 06:24:43 PMIf he comes out of retirement then he's under contact in Toronto. Regardless we needed to move on IMO.

Of course, but you can trade a neg list player or a late round DP for him if he wants to come back, and we have a space for him with the Bighill $SMS savings...
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Blue In BC on May 28, 2024, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: theaardvark on May 28, 2024, 10:17:16 PMOf course, but you can trade a neg list player or a late round DP for him if he wants to come back, and we have a space for him with the Bighill $SMS savings...

Why would we want him back?
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 28, 2024, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 28, 2024, 10:19:16 PMWhy would we want him back?

-They don't need a ratio option.
-He's more mobile than Gauthier.
-He's better suited to MLB than Cole due to his size.
-He has more experience than any of the rookie imports lining up to play MLB.

But no, they won't bring him back as he's now moved on from football.  Only Shawn Lemon has second thoughts.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: ichabod_crane on May 28, 2024, 11:34:53 PM
Quote from: Pigskin on May 28, 2024, 03:40:33 PMI think if we had of signed Clements, we would still be in the same situation Clements ended up retiring to follow a different path outside of football. I think the Bombers knew he was leaning in that direction.

So why does he sign a FA contract with the Argos earlier this year and then quits soon after? Seems a bit strange.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: ichabod_crane on May 28, 2024, 11:38:13 PM
Quote from: kkc60 on May 28, 2024, 05:16:22 PMI agree. Bighill looked a step behind at times last year, mental gaffes may arise without him but athleticism should help correct them

Biggie definitely lost a step or half step last season. Whether from a nagging injury or just age. He got burned for a td in the grey cup game as he was not fully healthy there too.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: theaardvark on May 29, 2024, 12:45:48 AM
Quote from: ichabod_crane on May 28, 2024, 11:34:53 PMSo why does he sign a FA contract with the Argos earlier this year and then quits soon after? Seems a bit strange.

Exactly... mere months ago he wasn't "moving on from football", and then the Kelly crap surfaces, and he's done?

I would not be surprised, if a better option doesn't present itself, if Walters doesn't make a call...
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Pigskin on May 29, 2024, 08:22:27 PM
I am hoping we see Wilson for a full half. And, some of that time with most of our starting OL.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Pigskin on May 30, 2024, 01:12:35 AM
Looks like ZC8 will not play in Friday nights game.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 30, 2024, 03:54:15 AM
Funny, every other team makes a big effort to win the PS @home, but for a few years we have done the opposite.

Ya, it's the smart move -- the MOS move -- but it's not great for the fans.  Give them some confidence going into week 1 with a "win".  AND sell those last few ST to marginal fans.

Maybe we don't need to sell any more ST in 2024  ;)  ;)  ;)  :D  :D

If they aren't dressing Strevie either, then it'll be a tough game to win, unless Wilson is the 2nd coming.  Even worse, TSN said Dickenson The Greater stated he was going to use the PS to get his core starters/team to gel, rather than glorified tryouts.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Blueforlife on May 30, 2024, 04:47:41 AM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 30, 2024, 03:54:15 AMFunny, every other team makes a big effort to win the PS @home, but for a few years we have done the opposite.

Ya, it's the smart move -- the MOS move -- but it's not great for the fans.  Give them some confidence going into week 1 with a "win".  AND sell those last few ST to marginal fans.

Maybe we don't need to sell any more ST in 2024  ;)  ;)  ;)  :D  :D

If they aren't dressing Strevie either, then it'll be a tough game to win, unless Wilson is the 2nd coming.  Even worse, TSN said Dickenson The Greater stated he was going to use the PS to get his core starters/team to gel, rather than glorified tryouts.
PS is for evaluation, winning means nothing
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 30, 2024, 08:42:09 PM
Quote from: Blueforlife on May 30, 2024, 04:47:41 AMPS is for evaluation, winning means nothing

Do you feel better leaving IGF/PAS after winning a PS or losing it??  Now, imagine you're a kid in the stands who doesn't understand it's "just a PS".  Imagine the few holdouts thinking "should I buy a ST this year or not?" after we just lost PS#2 by 50 points...

It is evaluation, and we here know that, but losing (especially badly) is not without consequence.  It is a fact that the teams try harder in their home PS game, mainly by leaving their starters in longer.  Also, for the home game teams can dress everyone they want without having to fly everyone out and pay for hotels.

So far this PS the home teams are 3-2, but those 2 are a bad-looking HAM that tried really hard by leaving BLM in an entire half, and EDM, which needs no explanation -- they are just EDM.  I bet by the time the PS is over the home teams have won 66%-75%.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: ModAdmin on May 30, 2024, 09:41:45 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 30, 2024, 03:54:15 AMFunny, every other team makes a big effort to win the PS @home, but for a few years we have done the opposite.

Ya, it's the smart move -- the MOS move -- but it's not great for the fans.  Give them some confidence going into week 1 with a "win".  AND sell those last few ST to marginal fans.

Maybe we don't need to sell any more ST in 2024  ;)  ;)  ;)  :D  :D

If they aren't dressing Strevie either, then it'll be a tough game to win, unless Wilson is the 2nd coming.  Even worse, TSN said Dickenson The Greater stated he was going to use the PS to get his core starters/team to gel, rather than glorified tryouts.

My understanding is CS17 will not play tomorrow.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 31, 2024, 06:07:28 AM
Quote from: ModAdmin on May 30, 2024, 09:41:45 PMMy understanding is CS17 will not play tomorrow.

Yup, I just watched the MOS May 30 presser.  Funny, someone (Tait?) asked him the exact question I was posing about dressing/playing starters to give the fans something to cheer about and a better chance at a win.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/05/30/coach-oshea-may-30-3/

Oh well, we'll all enjoy watching all the new guys, just like MOS says...  8)
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: BomberFan73 on May 31, 2024, 12:03:12 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 30, 2024, 08:42:09 PMDo you feel better leaving IGF/PAS after winning a PS or losing it??  Now, imagine you're a kid in the stands who doesn't understand it's "just a PS".  Imagine the few holdouts thinking "should I buy a ST this year or not?" after we just lost PS#2 by 50 points...

It is evaluation, and we here know that, but losing (especially badly) is not without consequence.  It is a fact that the teams try harder in their home PS game, mainly by leaving their starters in longer.  Also, for the home game teams can dress everyone they want without having to fly everyone out and pay for hotels.

So far this PS the home teams are 3-2, but those 2 are a bad-looking HAM that tried really hard by leaving BLM in an entire half, and EDM, which needs no explanation -- they are just EDM.  I bet by the time the PS is over the home teams have won 66%-75%.

I have to agree.  For those fans in the seats, I don't think they care much about evaluation.  They want to see celebrate TDs and walk out winners.
Clubs should 1/2 price PS games since most wouldn't even know a single player in this lineup
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TBURGESS on May 31, 2024, 02:59:40 PM
I don't like giving all the rookies the second pre-season game. I'd like us to use the starters for a quarter to get their game timing down. 

I don't care about the battle for 3 string QB. If we need to start them, then we've lost Collaros and Streveler and the game is probably lost anyway. 

I don't care about the battle for the PR spots. I care about game reps for the starters. 
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Sir Blue and Gold on May 31, 2024, 06:27:05 PM
Quote from: TBURGESS on May 31, 2024, 02:59:40 PMI don't like giving all the rookies the second pre-season game. I'd like us to use the starters for a quarter to get their game timing down.

I don't care about the battle for 3 string QB. If we need to start them, then we've lost Collaros and Streveler and the game is probably lost anyway.

I don't care about the battle for the PR spots. I care about game reps for the starters.

Thanks for sharing what you don't care about. We all care very much!
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 31, 2024, 09:00:37 PM
Haha hahaha hahahahaha

Game tracker still doesn't work on the cfl.ca site!!  Hahaha.  It didn't work all last year and it's still busted after (another) full off-season.  Don't they have any geniuses working at Genius sports??  Holy smokes, give me a call!!   ;D

https://www.cfl.ca/games/6398/winnipeg-blue%20bombers-vs-calgary-stampeders

So where do I get the depth charts??  No, I don't want to twatter or delayagram.  I want a chart on cfl.ca or bluebombers.com, in a place I can find every week without spending 1 hour.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024-depth-position-charts/

No chart for the PS here...

Shameful.

Oh look, even poop-for-a-stadium CGY has their charts up:
https://www.stampeders.com/game-notes/
And lo and behold it's at the same URL as last year meaning all my bookmarks still work without modification (WPG one doesn't).  At least one team is doing it right.

I forgive WFC because this is really a job for the league, and the league web site.  There should be 1 official page that can get a quick link to every depth chart 24 hours before kickoff, and it should be easy to find and reliable.  This literally should be the easiest thing to do out of all Genius is trying to do.

Miffed.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Blue In BC on May 31, 2024, 09:08:02 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 31, 2024, 09:00:37 PMHaha hahaha hahahahaha

Game tracker still doesn't work on the cfl.ca site!!  Hahaha.  It didn't work all last year and it's still busted after (another) full off-season.  Don't they have any geniuses working at Genius sports??  Holy smokes, give me a call!!   ;D

https://www.cfl.ca/games/6398/winnipeg-blue%20bombers-vs-calgary-stampeders

So where do I get the depth charts??  No, I don't want to twatter or delayagram.  I want a chart on cfl.ca or bluebombers.com, in a place I can find every week without spending 1 hour.

https://www.bluebombers.com/2024-depth-position-charts/

No chart for the PS here...

Shameful.

Oh look, even poop-for-a-stadium CGY has their charts up:
https://www.stampeders.com/game-notes/
And lo and behold it's at the same URL as last year meaning all my bookmarks still work without modification (WPG one doesn't).  At least one team is doing it right.

I forgive WFC because this is really a job for the league, and the league web site.  There should be 1 official page that can get a quick link to every depth chart 24 hours before kickoff, and it should be easy to find and reliable.  This literally should be the easiest thing to do out of all Genius is trying to do.

Miffed.

It's on page 2 of the Official game day thread including charts for both teams.

I don't know whether those were posted on CFL.CA for pre season in the past. So it may be an issue as might the game tracking info in live time.

At least they've fixed the roster transaction activity which was a mess last year.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on May 31, 2024, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 31, 2024, 09:08:02 PMIt's on page 2 of the Official game day thread including charts for both teams.

Useful for the few uberfans on this forum.  Not useful in the slightest for casual fans going to cfl.ca looking for information.  Or bb.com for that matter.

I shouldn't have to read 2 pages of fan forum posts hoping for a chart link!  I'm just flabbergasted this is still a problem after moaning about it all of last year.  The excuse was "Genius Sports is slow", ya well, 6 months of off-season and here we are again.

But hey, at least they have a pretty field graphic in javascript on the gametracker page that does absolutely nothing... and it doesn't work in firefox.

AND THEY STILL CALL IT IG Field AT THE TOP!!!  HAHAHAHAHAH  Geniuses
https://www.cfl.ca/games/6398/winnipeg-blue%20bombers-vs-calgary-stampeders
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TBURGESS on May 31, 2024, 09:48:04 PM
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 31, 2024, 06:27:05 PMThanks for sharing what you don't care about. We all care very much!
Everyone cares about the players that likely won't even make the team? A bunch will be gone by Monday and some will get PR spots. 
I'd rather use this game as a warm up for the first season game. Give the vets the first quarter, then give the guys who have an outside chance a chance to make the team. 
Quite frankly, the coaches already know who 90-95% of the team are going to be. We're wasting an opportunity to get everyone up to game speed. 
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Blue In BC on May 31, 2024, 10:01:44 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 31, 2024, 09:21:11 PMUseful for the few uberfans on this forum.  Not useful in the slightest for casual fans going to cfl.ca looking for information.  Or bb.com for that matter.

I shouldn't have to read 2 pages of fan forum posts hoping for a chart link!  I'm just flabbergasted this is still a problem after moaning about it all of last year.  The excuse was "Genius Sports is slow", ya well, 6 months of off-season and here we are again.

But hey, at least they have a pretty field graphic in javascript on the gametracker page that does absolutely nothing... and it doesn't work in firefox.

AND THEY STILL CALL IT IG Field AT THE TOP!!!  HAHAHAHAHAH  Geniuses
https://www.cfl.ca/games/6398/winnipeg-blue%20bombers-vs-calgary-stampeders

I'm not disagreeing but I don't remember an issue with finding depth charts on CFL.CA for regular season games.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: pdirks67 on June 01, 2024, 12:24:50 AM
Quote from: BomberFan73 on May 31, 2024, 12:03:12 PMI have to agree.  For those fans in the seats, I don't think they care much about evaluation.  They want to see celebrate TDs and walk out winners.
Clubs should 1/2 price PS games since most wouldn't even know a single player in this lineup

I think there's a mix of fans. Some are probably out here to see a win. I always look forward to seeing what the young guys can do. I'd like to see a win, but it's secondary.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: dd on June 01, 2024, 01:31:13 AM
Quote from: TBURGESS on May 31, 2024, 09:48:04 PMEveryone cares about the players that likely won't even make the team? A bunch will be gone by Monday and some will get PR spots.
I'd rather use this game as a warm up for the first season game. Give the vets the first quarter, then give the guys who have an outside chance a chance to make the team.
Quite frankly, the coaches already know who 90-95% of the team are going to be. We're wasting an opportunity to get everyone up to game speed.
Ya first preseason game is about evaluating rookies and those that made a good impression will get reps in the 2nd game, and in the second game you get your vets some reps who need to get back into their groove. Not sure why streveler wouldn't see some reps in this game as it's been a while since he's been under centre in a game. I see both teams using their vets for a solid quarter maybe more, as next week the real bullets start to fly
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: ModAdmin on June 01, 2024, 05:07:30 AM
Quote from: dd on June 01, 2024, 01:31:13 AMYa first preseason game is about evaluating rookies and those that made a good impression will get reps in the 2nd game, and in the second game you get your vets some reps who need to get back into their groove. Not sure why streveler wouldn't see some reps in this game as it's been a while since he's been under centre in a game. I see both teams using their vets for a solid quarter maybe more, as next week the real bullets start to fly

Streveler was injured and held out of the game today.  He should be ready for Game 1 on June 6th.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 01, 2024, 07:37:58 AM
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 31, 2024, 10:01:44 PMI'm not disagreeing but I don't remember an issue with finding depth charts on CFL.CA for regular season games.

Game tracker didn't work for most of last season.  If you have another link on cfl.ca to find depth charts, let me know.

Hey!  I just went back to the tracker post-game and now it works!  And it's pretty slick.  So it looks like game-tracker is now just a in-game/post-game thing, not a pre-game thing.  (And now it works on firefox!)

It has a roster tab (which wasn't there pre-game) but still not hint of a depth chart.  However, it looks like they aren't even trying to put a DC here...

So... doesn't anyone know where to find the DCs on cfl.ca?  Surely they are somewhere.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: TecnoGenius on June 01, 2024, 07:46:38 AM
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 01, 2024, 05:07:30 AMStreveler was injured and held out of the game today.  He should be ready for Game 1 on June 6th.

Ya, MOS mentioned this in passing in his May 30 presser on bb.com, with very little detail.  It was total news to me.

He probably aggravated something in those raging-bull runs in PS#1 he's so famous for.  If he's going to be fragile we may have to adjust how he's used... Can we afford to use him on all 3rd down sneaks?  A fall-forward is one thing, but those C-gap and edge runs??  Yikes.

Strev might be more valuable as the Zach injury-backup rather than a 2019 raging bull or SY guy.  Did we test either #3 or #9 in SY much this PS?  If Strev starts we'll win .500 or better... if #3 or #9 starts we are winning .200 if we are lucky.  Have to take this into account if he's now injury prone.
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Jesse on June 02, 2024, 12:16:03 AM
Quote from: ModAdmin on June 01, 2024, 05:07:30 AMStreveler was injured and held out of the game today.  He should be ready for Game 1 on June 6th.

Yeah, but what about every other starter?
Title: Re: Calgary @ Winnipeg.
Post by: Blueforlife on June 04, 2024, 09:33:34 PM
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 30, 2024, 08:42:09 PMDo you feel better leaving IGF/PAS after winning a PS or losing it??  Now, imagine you're a kid in the stands who doesn't understand it's "just a PS".  Imagine the few holdouts thinking "should I buy a ST this year or not?" after we just lost PS#2 by 50 points...

It is evaluation, and we here know that, but losing (especially badly) is not without consequence.  It is a fact that the teams try harder in their home PS game, mainly by leaving their starters in longer.  Also, for the home game teams can dress everyone they want without having to fly everyone out and pay for hotels.

So far this PS the home teams are 3-2, but those 2 are a bad-looking HAM that tried really hard by leaving BLM in an entire half, and EDM, which needs no explanation -- they are just EDM.  I bet by the time the PS is over the home teams have won 66%-75%.
PS outcome / score means nothing, used to evaluate players.  The entertainment value isn't high but it's fun to see new faces and evaluate current and future prospects.