First OGDT of 2024! CFL and Blue Bomber Football has returned!
Although is is a preseason game, it will be crucially important for the many rookies on this team.
Zach Collaros is a healthy scratch leaving Chris Streveler, Eric Barriere and Terry Wilson to run the offence.
Key positions to watch will be on OLine (replacements for Hardrick and Gray) and DBacks (replacements for Houston and Rose). Keep an eye on Miles Fox, odds on favourite, to replace Ricky Walker and Celestin Haba front runner to replace Jackson Jeffcoat.
More to follow...
Go Bombers!
Looks like a lot of the Bomber starters will be at home for this one. My biggest concern is D. Mostly DL, and DB. Also our kick return game. Would be nice to see someone other then Gauthier step up at MLB. A player like, #55 Petrishen has looked good in practice. Let's see what he can do again the Riders.
Lofton and Ivy at RT worries me, the fact Vanterpool and Keith are listed as guards is also surprising.
Roster/Depth Chart for the Bomber/Riders game...
https://x.com/EdTaitWFC/status/1792262652506284401/photo/1
So I take it this game will not be televised on TSN and the only way to watch it is on CFL+ with a VPN to fake a location other than Canada?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 19, 2024, 07:00:02 PMSo I take it this game will not be televised on TSN and the only way to watch it is on CFL+ with a VPN to fake a location other than Canada?
You won't need a VPN.
Quote from: pdirks67 on May 19, 2024, 07:31:53 PMYou won't need a VPN.
You're correct, only regular season games require a VPN, pre-season games do not. Thanks.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 19, 2024, 06:07:23 PMLooks like a lot of the Bomber starters will be at home for this one. My biggest concern is D. Mostly DL, and DB. Also our kick return game. Would be nice to see someone other then Gauthier step up at MLB. A player like, #55 Petrishen has looked good in practice. Let's see what he can do again the Riders.
Why isn't Charbonneau listed at LB??? Why would they leave him at home?
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Lots of veteran staying home. Quite a few rookies not making the trip. No idea whether that means they are higher up the depth chart, lower on the depth chart or dealing with some nicks.
Regardless some players are only going to get a limited number of reps. Make the most of it.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 19, 2024, 08:04:00 PMWhy isn't Charbonneau listed at LB??? Why would they leave him at home?
Another kid that looked good in camp.
Thinking that Sask will want to win their first one with new HC, establish an identity. Probably play the vets a fair bit, it being a home game.
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Quote from: Pigskin on May 19, 2024, 06:07:23 PMLooks like a lot of the Bomber starters will be at home for this one. My biggest concern is D. Mostly DL, and DB. Also our kick return game. Would be nice to see someone other then Gauthier step up at MLB. A player like, #55 Petrishen has looked good in practice. Let's see what he can do again the Riders.
Going by the depth chart maybe Petri Dish is the heir to Wilson's spot? I'm looking forward to Moses parting the OLine and making plays, as well as that other guy - he's a Gem(mel) ;D
Bombers that aren't playing in the first pre-season game:
Zach Collaros 8 QB A
Brady Oliveira 20 RB N Injured Veteran
Dalton Schoen 83 WR A
Nic Demski 10 WR N Injured Veteran
Ronnie Blackmon 15 WR A
Tyler Adams 74 WR A
Keric Wheatfall 79 WR A
Josh Johnson 84 WR A
Isaiah Coulter 73 WR A
Josh Vann 81 WR A
Patrick Neufeld 53 OL N "retired"
Tui Eli 65 OL N
Jake Thomas 95 DT N
Adam Bighill 4 LB A 6 game injury
Kyrie Wilson 19 LB A
Max Charbonneau 39 LB N
Deatrick Nichols 1 DB A
Brandon Alexander 37 DB A
Jamal Parker 7 DB A 6 game injury
Evan Holm 31 DB A
Noah Hallett 23 DB N 6 game injury
Patrick Rogers 3 DB A
Michael Griffin 38 DB A
Quote from: kkc60 on May 19, 2024, 06:43:43 PMLofton and Ivy at RT worries me, the fact Vanterpool and Keith are listed as guards is also surprising.
Hmmm... as some suspected, we may be hedging our bets by at least paying lip service to the backup plan of starting 3 IMP OL... Maybe we weren't so crazy after all!! It would sure be cool to have that option, given the extra NAT
@Sam.
This game might give us an early feel for how much improved Strevie is. Is it same ol' Strevie or NFL-improved Strevie? I want to see a lot of downfield passes and very little running... we don't need a broken ankle in a PS!
Augustine might be fighting for his backup role in this game! I bet he's hoping Rosery doesn't shine.
Richie Hall #0 lining up at weak side slot? That's why he couldn't be full-time DC anymore! ;) ;) ;) ;)
Why on earth is Lawler going and starting?!? Did he request to? Is his job at risk??
Other than RG, the OL we're starting in this game me be our desired set for the season. I guess we want to see if they're gelling. I don't know why, but I'm crazy stoked to see what Wallace can do in the run game.
Murphy may have to step up and shine if he wants the BOO job.
Not sure I like that vertical line in the middle of SSK's D chart... but I'll reserve final judgement...
So who's going??
I just want some Blue Bomber football I am starving for it.
As previously mentioned KR, DB, DE, DT, OT, G are spots where I'd like to see folks shine.
Bombers have 11 days before their last pre season game. Although they aren't requirement to make any cuts before the final cuts, I wonder if that does happen.
Roster listed on CFL.CA has 97 players and I'd think some decisions will have been made after today. Veterans will need to play part of the last game.
6 rookie receivers not dressing for the game today.
Quote from: kkc60 on May 19, 2024, 06:43:43 PMLofton and Ivy at RT worries me, the fact Vanterpool and Keith are listed as guards is also surprising.
The right side of the line is a real concern. I am not saying they can't do it but we just don't know if they can.
Quote from: bwiser on May 20, 2024, 02:23:20 PMThe right side of the line is a real concern. I am not saying they can't do it but we just don't know if they can.
The OL overall is a concern. At least until we know whether Neufeld has actually retired. If he doesn't return we'll have 3 changes to our 2023 starting OL even if 2 of them were here last year.
I think I'm more concerned about the defence. Jeffcoat, Walker, Houston, Parker ( injured ), Bighill ( injured ) is a lot to see change.
Many of the candidates to replace starters have some good credentials but it's a TBD situation.
Quote from: bwiser on May 20, 2024, 02:23:20 PMThe right side of the line is a real concern. I am not saying they can't do it but we just don't know if they can.
I'm confident Lofton will play well, have more doubt that Dobson is good in pass protection.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 20, 2024, 02:32:22 PMThe OL overall is a concern. At least until we know whether Neufeld has actually retired. If he doesn't return we'll have 3 changes to our 2023 starting OL even if 2 of them were here last year.
I think I'm more concerned about the defence. Jeffcoat, Walker, Houston, Parker ( injured ), Bighill ( injured ) is a lot to see change.
Many of the candidates to replace starters have some good credentials but it's a TBD situation.
Neufeld has not retired.
Quote from: Jesse on May 20, 2024, 07:16:21 PMNeufeld has not retired.
Someone on the other site said he's injured and Eli is too.
Can one of the tech savy people here post the link to watch today's game?
Thanks
Who do we think are the leading returner candidates?
The stream has not started yet...
It says "live" now. So that is a good sign I guess
Quote from: Bluehawk on May 20, 2024, 07:32:07 PMCan one of the tech savy people here post the link to watch today's game?
Thanks
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/05/09/preseason-week-a-winnipeg-blue-bombers-at-saskatchewan-roughriders/
Quote from: Jesse on May 20, 2024, 08:01:35 PMhttps://www.cfl.ca/2024/05/09/preseason-week-a-winnipeg-blue-bombers-at-saskatchewan-roughriders/
It's on now.
I get that this is a streaming offering with no production but is anyone else completely disappointed so far?
Interesting, Hardrick is one of the captains out for the toss...
It works but I sucks so far
Refresh and noise cut outs.
This is could be more of a pain in the *** than I had hoped.
Nice tackle 21
Love the speed there by Kelly, but man do something there.
Quote from: BomberFan73 on May 20, 2024, 08:18:24 PMLove the speed there by Kelly, but man do something there.
He bit on another route, he will learn. But yes needs to tackle.
Nice stand on 3rd and 2. Right on D!
The stream is fine, those complaining need some patience,imo.
Video good and audio clear. Yes some tech. Issues at the start. Price was right.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on May 20, 2024, 08:15:21 PMIt works but I sucks so far
Refresh and noise cut outs.
This is could be more of a pain in the *** than I had hoped.
Seems to be fixed now. I've got a pretty good feed casting from my laptop to my Android TV, halfway through the first quarter.
CJOB is better audio than these Rider guys, lol
Hallets had a couple nice plays
Players I noticed
22 coverage
76 return
27 run
Strev in general
Good punt early in game
21 punt coverage
27 run d
29 coverage
47 bad penalty after whistle
Rivers sack
Barriere to 76 in the middle picked off twice. Receiver or QB issue?
Quote from: kkc60 on May 20, 2024, 09:12:31 PMBarriere to 76 in the middle picked off twice. Receiver or QB issue?
QB but would need to rewatch and know routes to know for sure
The commercial pauses are painful, the music is terrible and loud...
Video is OK.
They should offer a choice of audio...
Quote from: kkc60 on May 20, 2024, 09:12:31 PMBarriere to 76 in the middle picked off twice. Receiver or QB issue?
QB was telegraphing, so his fault.
New Rider cheer team? ;D
Uneventful 1st half. Gemmel and Garbutt getting long looks.
Rosery looked better than I thought he might. He'll need to do more and be versatile. Probably will spend some time on PR, but he may have some skills.
I took my grandsons to the Bomber pancake breakfast on Saturday and was very impressed with Terry Wilson #3 for QB. He was throwing long bombs and the receivers were pretty much catching them. He had very good accuracy on his throws. Strevy not so much.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2024, 09:15:22 PMThe commercial pauses are painful, the music is terrible and loud...
Video is OK.
They should offer a choice of audio...
Sure, this or nothing, take your pick.
Rosery has looked VG. Garbutt getting some pressure. Barriere having trouble reading D. Castillo looks like mid season. What's with the Riders taking the ball on the 40 after both FGs. It's preseason, we need to practice teams. Nice stuff on Ouellette by our D. Case with a nice return and catch.
Can't really tell who isn't getting many reps. I'm expecting some may not be around by the next game. I noticed Mitchell got nicked early. Although it didn't look serious, it took away some reps for him.
Video is fine. But, we went to CJOB for audio those homers are terrible.
Quote from: kkc60 on May 20, 2024, 09:12:31 PMBarriere to 76 in the middle picked off twice. Receiver or QB issue?
He's looked terrible.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 20, 2024, 09:28:49 PMCan't really tell who isn't getting many reps. I'm expecting some may not be around by the next game. I noticed Mitchell got nicked early. Although it didn't look serious, it took away some reps for him.
Equipment problem.
Schmeckle emerging, looks like he'll be strong and effective up the middle. Not likely they can keep 3 Natl. DT's on the roster though, and I don't know if he would accept a PR position for a second year.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 20, 2024, 09:31:16 PMEquipment problem.
I noticed him looking at his helmet but didn't see him return either.
Bridges looked to be the player not in the right place to prevent the TD. Even without falling he wasn't making that tackle.
Bad fake there
Barriere is brutal. So is the OL. Let's see Wilson, please.
Barriere looks lost and useless.
Can't even throw that well.
I would like to see Wilson
Quote from: VictorRomano on May 20, 2024, 09:49:50 PMBarriere is brutal. So is the OL.
Agree both.
Disappointed on punt coverage there. Oops
flag for hold.
Mike Miller as coach is not helping kick coverage.
Our depth looks baaaad. Penalties, bad blocking, just no power at all.
DBs getting burned on the reg.
Thank god Riders take penalties.
Rivers! NICE
Our backups against their starters.. not worried at all...
Its letting us see a little of what is to come.
Bombers 3rd string QBs got a case of the jitters
Can these QBs throw a ball above the knees?
STs suck
Bad tackling there x2 missed the numbers
Pre season or not, we don't look good. I think a few players have played their last game.
Good push on D on short yardage
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 20, 2024, 10:05:37 PMPre season or not, we don't look good. I think a few players have played their last game.
Only time of year you get better by deletion
My gawd....horrendous....IF that's all we have as a backup to Streve and Zack....not good
Quote from: Blueforlife on May 20, 2024, 10:08:41 PMGood push on D on short yardage
DL overall has shown great today.
74 dropped one
Quote from: blueraid on May 20, 2024, 10:11:16 PMMy gawd....horrendous....IF that's all we have as a backup to Streve and Zack....not good
Preseason game 1 for these guys, deep breath, QBs take a few years to develop.
Yes bad start. Panic, no.
Bomber D in right place, not executing and making plays / tackles
When you play so many players that arent cfl ready its hard to assess anybody. Disappointing that no one on offence showed anything, Not much better on defense
Our back up qbs look awful
Quote from: Pete on May 20, 2024, 10:16:44 PMWhen you play so many players that arent cfl ready its hard to assess anybody. Disappointing that no one on offence showed anything, Not much better on defense
Our qbs look awful
All about the film room, coaches will see what they need to
Quote from: Pete on May 20, 2024, 10:16:44 PMWhen you play so many players that arent cfl ready its hard to assess anybody. Disappointing that no one on offence showed anything, Not much better on defense
Our back up qbs look awful
minus Streveler our backups QB's are terrible. If I'm Walters and company I'm bringing in some new QB's to compete for that 3rd string spot.
Holy commercial breaks >:(
A little late, but Wilson finally moving the ball.
The Stream thinks the game is over! ***!
What a joke.
We've had one week's worth of training camp playing an early road pre-season game.
The first quarter is really all I'm willing to take out of this game at face value and that was our a mix of starters and backups against their number 1s.
Streveler looked a lot better in game than he did Saturday in practice. I was really happy with how our defensive line looked early.
Barriere and Wilson were disappointing which is too bad but I'm sure they'll both play better in a couple weeks. It's a really tough ask to come in and run a pro CFL offense in one week week.
You never want to lose but I wouldn't spend any energy worrying. It's a very early pre-season game against a more experienced home team in a year with a new special teams and defensive coordinator.
Clercius wide open. Nice.
ok Barriere is cut
Wilson great drive and fantastic throw on the run. Shows promise.
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on May 20, 2024, 10:24:57 PMminus Streveler our backups QB's are terrible. If I'm Walters and company I'm bringing in some new QB's to compete for that 3rd string spot.
This aged poorly watch the last drive. Bringing in new guys is a terrible idea. Deep breath.
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on May 20, 2024, 10:33:15 PMok Barriere is cut
I would give a look with starters but would give Wilson most reps. Didn't look good so hard to know if a 2nd look is worth it.
WR Cruikshank and Adams seem to be ballers.
Wilson throwing the ball well late.
Bad fumble there, 74
Quote from: Blueforlife on May 20, 2024, 10:40:37 PMBad fumble there, 74
That whole play was a total mess. One of the receivers shouldn't have been there and after catching the ball after a tip, I'll give him a pass. Good alertness to even get a hand on it.
Thanks guys good 1st gdt
See you next time
Go blue!
The best I can say is that I don't think we had any injuries. A couple of players didn't do badly but more that did do badly.
A box of apples and road maps awaits in Winnipeg. Can't play 97 players next week. lol
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 20, 2024, 10:46:03 PMThe best I can say is that I don't think we had any injuries. A couple of players didn't do badly but more that did do badly.
A box of apples and road maps awaits in Winnipeg. Can't play 97 players next week. lol
They will have no issues cutting away the chaff next week.
Seeing Bombers dont play for another 11 days now. Does anyone know what the next cut down date is? Is it the final one?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on May 20, 2024, 10:50:26 PMThey will have no issues cutting away the chaff next week.
I was not able to stream the game (I live in Calgary). Any feel for any of the rookies that played that might make the team? I know it is too early to get all that bent out of shape but am worried about the LB crew with Biggy out of the mix for the 6 games. Lots of holes to fill but I think the organization is up to the task.
Quote from: BBRT on May 20, 2024, 10:56:19 PMI was not able to stream the game (I live in Calgary). Any feel for any of the rookies that played that might make the team? I know it is too early to get all that bent out of shape but am worried about the LB crew with Biggy out of the mix for the 6 games. Lots of holes to fill but I think the organization is up to the task.
Chauncey Rivers was great! Strong DE play
I'd give QB Wilson another strong looksie
Fox and others at DT had great push up the middle
OL got engulfed a few times
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 20, 2024, 10:32:18 PMWe've had one week's worth of training camp playing an early road pre-season game.
The first quarter is really all I'm willing to take out of this game at face value and that was our a mix of starters and backups against their number 1s.
Streveler looked a lot better in game than he did Saturday in practice. I was really happy with how our defensive line looked early.
Barriere and Wilson were disappointing which is too bad but I'm sure they'll both play better in a couple weeks. It's a really tough ask to come in and run a pro CFL offense in one week week.
You never want to lose but I wouldn't spend any energy worrying. It's a very early pre-season game against a more experienced home team in a year with a new special teams and defensive coordinator.
It makes what Pigrome accomplished in his pre-season games last year all that more impressive.
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on May 20, 2024, 10:55:41 PMSeeing Bombers dont play for another 11 days now. Does anyone know what the next cut down date is? Is it the final one?
I don't think there is another mandated cut before the final cut. In the old days there was a cut after the 1st pre season game.
However 97 players is a lot to deal with even in TC. Need to give some players more reps etc. We have 20 DB's and I'd think 3 or 4 could be gone quickly. Similar number of receivers still in TC.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 20, 2024, 11:17:06 PMIt makes what Pigrome accomplished in his pre-season games last year all that more impressive.
Sort of but not really.
Wilson made plays too as soon as he started breaking contain and playing scramble rules football. It's the exact same reason Ford in Edmonton is not starting this year. Pigrome played virtually every play like that. It's cool they can do that bur majority of QB production can't come that way at the pro level. Barriere looked about as bad as a rookie with one week of practice can look but he was trying to operate out of the pocket and trying to execute the offense. It may look ugly on TV and he wasn't successful today, but it is the right way to play.
Give it another couple weeks and let's where we are then.
what I liked
Wallace looked decent esp. for his first game
Ayers made some plays
Rivers too
Castillos still got it
Interior d line held up
what I didn't
Barriere
Coleman was so so
Kelly struggled at safety
Murphy was invisible at receiver
Cuickshank and other returners didn't show much
As a whole it looked like what it was = a game where we played a lot of rookies unfamiliar with our defense/offense and the cfl.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 20, 2024, 11:23:38 PMI don't think there is another mandated cut before the final cut. In the old days there was a cut after the 1st pre season game.
However 97 players is a lot to deal with even in TC. Need to give some players more reps etc. We have 20 DB's and I'd think 3 or 4 could be gone quickly. Similar number of receivers still in TC.
According to O'Shea they're going to hold onto everyone till the final cut down. This game came very early in the TC schedule and it wouldn't be fair to eliminate players still struggling to grasp the concept of CFL game. From that perspective it would mae made more sense to play more vets in this game and the rookies in the second.
Quote from: Pete on May 21, 2024, 02:44:40 AMwhat I liked
Wallace looked decent esp. for his first game
Ayers made some plays
Rivers too
Castillos still got it
Interior d line held up
what I didn't
Barriere
Coleman was so so
Kelly struggled at safety
Murphy was invisible at receiver
Cuickshank and other returners didn't show much
As a whole it looked like what it was = a game where we played a lot of rookies unfamiliar with our defense/offense and the cfl.
Kelly wasn't in at safety. Hallett was at safety and Kelly was at fieldside defensive halfback.
It was hard to tell who was responsible for Bane on that long pass? The Bombers were playing cover 3, but both defensive halfbacks seem to be in the same area.
Kelly was fine though. Not great, but nothing in terms of standing out.
Pre-season Game Recap | WPG 12 SSK 25
"...With Collaros remaining back home in Winnipeg the Blue Bombers brought three pivots to Regina in Chris Streveler, Eric Barriere and Terry Wilson.
"All three of them would like a couple plays back, I'm sure," said O'Shea. "But they showed some poise in there, they ran the offence well and they managed game stuff very well. We put some points on the board and had some drives. It's one of those things where we had certain packages in there to allow the guys to try to flourish, allow the new receivers and running backs to flourish. We'll be able to do a little more stuff and the guys will enjoy that."
Streveler, the only QB with CFL experience, got the start and in about 20 minutes of work, completed seven of eight passes for 65 yards, while rushing three times for 25 more, in what was essentially a snapshot of what he can bring to the attack.
His best stretch came during a 12-play, 79-yard drive in the first quarter that took seven minutes and seven seconds off the clock and resulted in a 26-yard field goal by Sergio Castillo. He didn't attack downfield with his throws but put the ball in safe locations. What we didn't see were any new wrinkles Buck Pierce might have planned for Streveler in the attack, with that clearly not coming until the regular season.
"For me, personally, it just felt so good to be get back out on the field, be back out with those guys," he said. "It's natural to have those pre-game feelings – that's how you know you're ready to go. I don't know if it's nerves, excitement, butterflies... all of it. It's exciting and that's how I know I'm ready to go, especially putting that blue back on. Even though it's a preseason game, it still means something. You still want to go out there and move the ball, play clean football and be back out there with so many of the guys I love. It almost made emotional before the game thinking about how much this means. Being where I've been and being out of the game for a year, I don't take any opportunity to put the pads back on for granted because I got hurt in the preseason with the (New York) Jets and how quickly that can happen. It means more to me know than it ever has....."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/05/20/pre-season-game-recap-wpg-12-ssk-25/
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 21, 2024, 03:18:20 AMFrom that perspective it would mae made more sense to play more vets in this game and the rookies in the second.
Probably, but they also probably wanted more starters in for the home game.
There will be alot less playing time for many of these rookies.
Too long of a stretch between games here
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 21, 2024, 03:18:20 AMAccording to O'Shea they're going to hold onto everyone till the final cut down. This game came very early in the TC schedule and it wouldn't be fair to eliminate players still struggling to grasp the concept of CFL game. From that perspective it would mae made more sense to play more vets in this game and the rookies in the second.
The only logic is in case their are additional injuries at some point. However, the organization must know which players have no chance at making the final cuts. More players means less reps for those that are fighting to make the roster.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 20, 2024, 11:17:06 PMIt makes what Pigrome accomplished in his pre-season games last year all that more impressive.
I wanted to say this also, but don't want to be the one to take the heat from it lol
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 21, 2024, 01:20:02 PMThe only logic is in case their are additional injuries at some point. However, the organization must know which players have no chance at making the final cuts. More players means less reps for those that are fighting to make the roster.
I think the players who "had no chance" were released when the team trimmed their roster a week ago.
Fans like to look at the obvious statistics (catches, TDs, interceptions, sacks) and base all their judgments on that. Realistically, very few players earn jobs based on pre-season TDs. Often times coaches will call pre-season plays trying to put players in situations for evaluation purposes.
What coaches do evaluate on takes more time and is much more nuanced. They are looking at blocking assignments. General physicality. Ability to process information quickly. How the player reacts when something goes right or wrong. How they look when they don't have the ball over and over. How they play when a certain defense is called and they read something different. Etc. Etc. Etc.
All of that takes time. None of it is usually black and white. Just because someone plays poorly in a pre-season doesn't mean they're cut on the bus. Fans put too much emphasis on pre-season games in general. It isn't the primarily method of evaluation in almost all cases.
Pigrome has been a free agent since March 1. No takers. I thought Wilson looked like he had more upside by a long shot. He seems almost ready now. I would be happy with him as #3.
The first quarter where it was best against best makes me think our starters (we left a lot at home) would have had no trouble beating Sask, at least at this early stage.
Last year we lost our first preseason to Sask also and barely beat Edm in the 2nd. The real season hasn't started yet.
My cousin was at the game. Said Rosery was impressive. Garbutt, Rivers and Schmekel made the most impression on the D-line. (LB) Tre Thomas is physical and has excellent closing speed. (DB) McGee, Norman, and Hackett, all looked pretty solid. Also, your kickers are solid. Thought we would have ran a little more, was waiting to Chris-Ike run with his 4.5 speed.
On there side of the ball. He can't see Pipkin around for the start of the season. Worried about there FG kicker.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 21, 2024, 02:10:30 PMI think the players who "had no chance" were released when the team trimmed their roster a week ago.
Fans like to look at the obvious statistics (catches, TDs, interceptions, sacks) and base all their judgments on that. Realistically, very few players earn jobs based on pre-season TDs. Often times coaches will call pre-season plays trying to put players in situations for evaluation purposes.
What coaches do evaluate on takes more time and is much more nuanced. They are looking at blocking assignments. General physicality. Ability to process information quickly. How the player reacts when something goes right or wrong. How they look when they don't have the ball over and over. How they play when a certain defense is called and they read something different. Etc. Etc. Etc.
All of that takes time. None of it is usually black and white. Just because someone plays poorly in a pre-season doesn't mean they're cut on the bus. Fans put too much emphasis on pre-season games in general. It isn't the primarily method of evaluation in almost all cases.
I'm not making my comment on the game as the sole criteria. These players have gone through rookie camp and several days of the main TC. It's not about statistics. I cut some slack in rookie imports learning the CFL game, speed and size of field.
Being able to see work ethic, ability to learn quickly and adjust to the CFL game are part of the assessment.
If a receiver continually runs the wrong route and / or drops every pass, those are measurable criteria.
A defensive player out of position missing or sloppy tackling.
As we often hear, don't continue to make the same mistake.
In some cases the players in competition are close in the evaluations. In others they are not.
Whether they are cut today or at final cut down, some players will never see another snap in a CFL game as a Bomber. We aren't going to see nearly 100 players see the field in the next game.
Coaches have been and will continually be grading players performance in practice.
Some are grading at the top and some are grading at the bottom. Who is where, we posters don't know but the coaches do.
We released 2 players recently and added 2 more as new options.
Note that other teams continue to delete and add players on a nearly daily basis. Not all players are equal and neither are their chances.
I mentioned previously that in the past, their was another cut down after the 1st pre season game. Sure, allowing to keep some a little longer can be an advantage. IMO there are some disadvantages as well.
I had commented that I wondered whether several players yesterday were higher or lower on the depth chart than those that stayed in Winnipeg. I don't know the answer to that, but it's a fair question. We have something like 11 rookie import DB's.
Just throwing out a number, I'd think trimming about 10 should be done tomorrow.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on May 21, 2024, 02:10:30 PMI think the players who "had no chance" were released when the team trimmed their roster a week ago.
Fans like to look at the obvious statistics (catches, TDs, interceptions, sacks) and base all their judgments on that. Realistically, very few players earn jobs based on pre-season TDs. Often times coaches will call pre-season plays trying to put players in situations for evaluation purposes.
What coaches do evaluate on takes more time and is much more nuanced. They are looking at blocking assignments. General physicality. Ability to process information quickly. How the player reacts when something goes right or wrong. How they look when they don't have the ball over and over. How they play when a certain defense is called and they read something different. Etc. Etc. Etc.
All of that takes time. None of it is usually black and white. Just because someone plays poorly in a pre-season doesn't mean they're cut on the bus. Fans put too much emphasis on pre-season games in general. It isn't the primarily method of evaluation in almost all cases.
Very true, based on his pre-season games and first season in general, many would have written Dru Brown off. Most players attending TC are motivated and gifted enough to become CFL players given enough time to learn the game and enough opportunity to succeed. Unfortunately under a compressed schedule quick decisions have to be made on the evidence presented. Nobody ever said "life is fair".
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 21, 2024, 03:33:21 PMVery true, based on his pre-season games and first season in general, many would have written Dru Brown off. Most players attending TC are motivated and gifted enough to become CFL players given enough time to learn the game and enough opportunity to succeed. Unfortunately under a compressed schedule quick decisions have to be made on the evidence presented. Nobody ever said "life is fair".
QB is the most difficult position to assess. However, athleticism, arm strength, accuracy and football IQ are measurable. Learning the Canadian game can take time but you have to start with some skills.
It should be noted that many Canadian players never become more than ST and limited back up players.
Is it that hard to understand the same is true for imports? The ratio means spots for DI's and even PR is limited.
I always go back to Kenny Lawler's first preseason game. He probably dropped 3 easy catches, and I kept thinking "why is this guy on the field? Stop throwing to him!". Since then I can't trust myself with a preseason opinion lol
It's hard to evaluate so many players in a 60 minute game.
It makes it even harder when our quarterback doesn't get the ball to the playmakers we want to evaluate. Easier to evaluate the QB though I suppose... I'm hoping in our next PS game we can see Q1-ZC, Q2-Strev and Q3/4-Terry. I really want to see them get the ball out quickly to the receivers to see who can make a play.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 21, 2024, 03:29:27 PMI'm not making my comment on the game as the sole criteria. These players have gone through rookie camp and several days of the main TC. It's not about statistics. I cut some slack in rookie imports learning the CFL game, speed and size of field.
Being able to see work ethic, ability to learn quickly and adjust to the CFL game are part of the assessment.
If a receiver continually runs the wrong route and / or drops every pass, those are measurable criteria.
A defensive player out of position missing or sloppy tackling.
As we often hear, don't continue to make the same mistake.
In some cases the players in competition are close in the evaluations. In others they are not.
Whether they are cut today or at final cut down, some players will never see another snap in a CFL game as a Bomber. We aren't going to see nearly 100 players see the field in the next game.
Coaches have been and will continually be grading players performance in practice.
Some are grading at the top and some are grading at the bottom. Who is where, we posters don't know but the coaches do.
We released 2 players recently and added 2 more as new options.
Note that other teams continue to delete and add players on a nearly daily basis. Not all players are equal and neither are their chances.
I mentioned previously that in the past, their was another cut down after the 1st pre season game. Sure, allowing to keep some a little longer can be an advantage. IMO there are some disadvantages as well.
I had commented that I wondered whether several players yesterday were higher or lower on the depth chart than those that stayed in Winnipeg. I don't know the answer to that, but it's a fair question. We have something like 11 rookie import DB's.
Just throwing out a number, I'd think trimming about 10 should be done tomorrow.
Listen to O'Shea's post conference game press conference, doesn't matter what we think, he's the boss.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 21, 2024, 03:49:52 PMListen to O'Shea's post conference game press conference, doesn't matter what we think, he's the boss.
We know he's the boss. He's always positive and PC. It's also cliche and most us knew what he would say and could have written the same speech almost word for word. Nothing new to see here.
Film will be gone over by the coaches. QB's weren't getting the ball out accurately so that didn't help the receivers shine. We didn't go very deep either.
Any given receiver not the primary target on a particular play may have beaten his defender every time. That's what you want to see: understanding and completing the assignment and beating the man in front of you.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 21, 2024, 04:19:26 PMWe know he's the boss. He's always positive and PC. It's also cliche and most us knew what he would say and could have written the same speech almost word for word. Nothing new to see here.
Film will be gone over by the coaches. QB's weren't getting the ball out accurately so that didn't help the receivers shine. We didn't go very deep either.
Any given receiver not the primary target on a particular play may have beaten his defender every time. That's what you want to see: understanding and completing the assignment and beating the man in front of you.
I think the only way to seperate the top few receivers is to get them game time with Zach and Strev. to a lesser extent to see what they can do when passes are thrown well.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 21, 2024, 05:30:53 PMI think the only way to seperate the top few receivers is to get them game time with Zach and Strev. to a lesser extent to see what they can do when passes are thrown well.
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 21, 2024, 04:19:26 PMWe know he's the boss. He's always positive and PC. It's also cliche and most us knew what he would say and could have written the same speech almost word for word. Nothing new to see here.
Film will be gone over by the coaches. QB's weren't getting the ball out accurately so that didn't help the receivers shine. We didn't go very deep either.
Any given receiver not the primary target on a particular play may have beaten his defender every time. That's what you want to see: understanding and completing the assignment and beating the man in front of you.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 21, 2024, 05:30:53 PMI think the only way to seperate the top few receivers is to get them game time with Zach and Strev. to a lesser extent to see what they can do when passes are thrown well.
They see it every day in training camp. It would be great to see it during pre-season games as an affirmation, but football teams (in the CFL or NFL or any league really) don't put out their starting QBs in pre-season games for the purpose of evaluating the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th receiver. Doesn't make sense. Isn't necessary. Doesn't happen.
Did Okeke get on the field? I saw lots of Bryant, but don't remember Okeke. Which, if he played, is a great thing. Especially if it was during the last drive where Wilson looked good... who were the linemen that last drive?
OK, I went back, the video is still available on the CFL.CA website with pause, >> and <<...
The Oline on that TD drive was Okeke, Vanterpool, Vlahogiannis, Kalra and Ivy
Watching the replay, they did give Wilson a bit of time.
Quote from: LXTSN on May 21, 2024, 03:46:22 PMI always go back to Kenny Lawler's first preseason game. He probably dropped 3 easy catches, and I kept thinking "why is this guy on the field? Stop throwing to him!". Since then I can't trust myself with a preseason opinion lol
It's hard to evaluate so many players in a 60 minute game.
It makes it even harder when our quarterback doesn't get the ball to the playmakers we want to evaluate. Easier to evaluate the QB though I suppose... I'm hoping in our next PS game we can see Q1-ZC, Q2-Strev and Q3/4-Terry. I really want to see them get the ball out quickly to the receivers to see who can make a play.
And Lawler was cut by the Lions!! Bet they don't trust themselves with their preseason opinions!!
Quote from: Blue In BC on May 20, 2024, 07:46:00 PMWho do we think are the leading returner candidates?
None of the above. Awful!! Compare with SSK's returners...
Grant just raised his ask by $20k I'm betting...
Quote from: kkc60 on May 20, 2024, 09:12:31 PMBarriere to 76 in the middle picked off twice. Receiver or QB issue?
1st pick is on him, and DC pick-on-the-rookie scheming. 2nd pick was superb LB play. I wouldn't read too much into either.
But aside from the picks he pretty much stunk, so I doubt he's our week 1 #3...
Quote from: Pigskin on May 20, 2024, 09:30:38 PMVideo is fine. But, we went to CJOB for audio those homers are terrible.
Can't believe I'm saying this... but Ballsy was better! SSK fans thought they were going to be happy aren't going to be...
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 20, 2024, 09:32:03 PMSchmeckle emerging, looks like he'll be strong and effective up the middle. Not likely they can keep 3 Natl. DT's on the roster though, and I don't know if he would accept a PR position for a second year.
Schmeckle had that great play, looked like an absolute giant monster, but then disappeared, so either they took him off or his motor ran dry.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on May 20, 2024, 09:52:02 PMMike Miller as coach is not helping kick coverage.
Coverage was bad, as usual. However, SSK was holding a ton and had many called back, so it wasn't as bad as it looked. SSK cheatin' on the ST again, what else is new.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 20, 2024, 10:00:23 PMOur backups against their starters.. not worried at all...
Yup, SSK played, for 4/5ths of the game, QBs that all had many many live CFL
starts. Vs us playing raw rookie QBs for 3/4rs of the game.
Home team wants to make their home fans happy and look strong to sell those last STs. I hope we put an effort into winning @PAS too, even though in most years we never do. (MOS doesn't care about marketing, it appears, so WM needs to give him a shout about putting starters on to win.)
Quote from: VictorRomano on May 20, 2024, 10:39:45 PMWR Cruikshank and Adams seem to be ballers.
74 Adams ("the player with no name") looked great! I assume he's NAT? I don't recall the name, sorry. He's the only one who stood out to me. And maybe that TD guy too, as I'll assume that was a good route to shake/fool all the defenders.
Except for that early pass attempt (the stupid short curl that lost us the '22 GC argh! Buck!) I didn't see Lawler on field much nor making plays. Wonder why they even brought him.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 20, 2024, 11:17:06 PMIt makes what Pigrome accomplished in his pre-season games last year all that more impressive.
I was thinking "Pigrome" for some of the game, just like you guys. Wilson looked like Pigrome to me... balling out there and looking more natural. He did a "Brohm" for the the 1st 2 passes then dialed it in and looked very good. As soon as Buck opened the playbook for him to go deep it was clear he was in his element.
But Pigrome taught us to temper our enthusiasm in PS... so now we'll doubt every good looking QB from now on. Sigh. Probably for the best.
Quote from: theaardvark on May 21, 2024, 09:46:14 PMThe Oline on that TD drive was Okeke, Vanterpool, Vlahogiannis, Kalra and Ivy
I think Dobson was whiffing a bit on those sacks. That's not good at all. Ivy I noticed truckin' hard and playing nasty to the whistle. Not sure if he blew any blocks.
I didn't notice Lofton but I think he started when Strevie was on, so not noticing is probably a good thing.
Our OL was having major problems getting push on SY. That's disappointing and very scary. Some of those OL sets were only 1 man off from our desired starting lineup! MOS and our team depend heavily on being able to make 3rd and 1.5. They have to be 95%.
Strange, but I didn't notice Wallace doing much, and I was looking for him in the run game. I did notice his huge massive frame, though... he makes the other hoggies look tiny!! Insane.
Game stats for some of our young Canadian players and rookie Americans.
Rosery: 5 touches 31 yards, and 1 ST.
Hubert: 2 DT.
Schmekel: 2 DT.
Murphy: 1 Tar/1 Rec. 10 yards.
Clercius: 2 Tar/ 2 Rec. 16 yards.
Schmekel, and Hubert both played about 15 minutes.
Norman: (DBs) 5 DT, McCarthy 5 DT, Hackett 4 DT, McGhee 3 DT.
Thomas: (LB) 4 DT.
Smith: KOR 2/48 Lg. 27 yards. PR 1/12 yards.
Case: KOR 1/24.
Cruikshank: KOR 2/35 Lg. 22 yards. PR 1/7 yards.
I like the way Case moved around out there. Not sure if he would be the ideal KR but I see his upside as a Weston Dressler type of player.
Quote from: LXTSN on May 22, 2024, 01:59:18 PMI like the way Case moved around out there. Not sure if he would be the ideal KR but I see his upside as a Weston Dressler type of player.
I loved Weston Dressler when he played, but in this run-centric offence I don't think they can replace Bailey with a Dresslerish clone. Whoever they choose must have a fair component of grit cause there will be a fair number of blocking assignments on his play sheet.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 22, 2024, 03:56:46 AMNone of the above. Awful!! Compare with SSK's returners...
Grant just raised his ask by $20k I'm betting...
Sask. had at least 2 rookie returners that attacked the ball well and took off at high speed, unless they're prepared to part company with Mario Alford good chance they'll cut one or both of them. Hope Walters isn't too proud to go scrap heap'n this early in the season, because the Bomber returners looked mediocre to bleh.
Returners are tough to rate on one game of a few snaps. The Canadian return game is so much different than anything they have done. And we were playing scrubs vs. ones.
I am confident we will find a returner in who we have (or Grant), we don't need guys in the green scrapheap.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 22, 2024, 02:53:43 PMI loved Weston Dressler when he played, but in this run-centric offence I don't think they can replace Bailey with a Dresslerish clone. Whoever they choose must have a fair component of grit cause there will be a fair number of blocking assignments on his play sheet.
Not sure that he would replace Bailey, but he could fill in the role that McCrae and Grant played for us if he is a viable WR option also. Not sure if that's really his play-style, but that's how I could see him fitting in!
Wow, didn't see Lawson get hurt on Monday. Another top tier player on the 6 game. I am glad Schmekel looked pretty decent against the Riders.
Upon Further Review | Preseason #1
"...And then there was late Monday afternoon/early evening, not long after the Winnipeg Blue Bombers had fallen 25-12 to the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the first preseason game of 2024. Stuffed with bodies – the Blue Bombers travelled 79 players to Regina, almost three dozen more than usual – and with an extra row of metal chairs jammed into the centre, the space had become a claustrophobic's absolute nightmare.
In the middle of it all sat Blue Bombers running back/slotback Jonathan Rosery on one of the temporary chairs — and all the while sporting a massive first-game-as-a-pro grin.
"It was surreal," began Rosery in a chat with bluebombers.com. "I was really nervous at first, not about the playbook, but because it felt like I hadn't played football in a long time. It's weird, but that first contact felt really good. Once I got out there, and realized it's still football – yes, the guys are bigger, faster stronger – but I've been playing football for 13 years and once I calmed my mind, calmed my body, I felt good out there......."
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/05/21/upon-further-review-preseason-1/
We seem to be loaded at Canadian RB. BO20, JA27, Rosery, and Chris-Ike.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 22, 2024, 04:03:27 AMYup, SSK played, for 4/5ths of the game, QBs that all had many many live CFL starts. Vs us playing raw rookie QBs for 3/4rs of the game.
Home team wants to make their home fans happy and look strong to sell those last STs. I hope we put an effort into winning @PAS too, even though in most years we never do. (MOS doesn't care about marketing, it appears, so WM needs to give him a shout about putting starters on to win.)
This Rider team is not the same Rider team of the past 2 seasons. Any team that takes them lightly will be in for a big surprise. This coaching staff is definately much better then the Dickenson one. Also better recruiting. They will be one tough team and by the middle of the season will be hard to beat. I feel that we are still better but not by much. :o
Quote from: bluebeard on May 22, 2024, 11:25:55 PMThis Rider team is not the same Rider team of the past 2 seasons. Any team that takes them lightly will be in for a big surprise. This coaching staff is definately much better then the Dickenson one. Also better recruiting. They will be one tough team and by the middle of the season will be hard to beat. I feel that we are still better but not by much. :o
we shall see if Harris has it still let alone stays healthy another year older.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 22, 2024, 07:11:58 AMRosery: 5 touches 31 yards, and 1 ST.
Hubert: 2 DT.
Schmekel: 2 DT.
Murphy: 1 Tar/1 Rec. 10 yards.
Clercius: 2 Tar/ 2 Rec. 16 yards.
What about that #74 Adams(?) I think? The guy who was making plays then had the save-fumble (not really his fault(ish)). Was I reading that name wrong all game?? SSK radio guys couldn't figure out his name.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 22, 2024, 02:59:32 PMSask. had at least 2 rookie returners that attacked the ball well and took off at high speed, unless they're prepared to part company with Mario Alford good chance they'll cut one or both of them. Hope Walters isn't too proud to go scrap heap'n this early in the season, because the Bomber returners looked mediocre to bleh.
I would totally look at scrap heap'n. However, SSK clearly still does mega-cheating on ST (and got caught a lot this time, thankfully), so how much was the returner vs the cheatin' blockers? You'd have to really study the film to determine that.
They did attack with massive speed instead of dancing and hesitating, though. And that's always a good thing.
Hopefully Miller beats whoever remains on AR into shape before week 1. This weak ST nonsense cannot continue in '24.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on May 23, 2024, 02:07:49 AMwe shall see if Harris has it still let alone stays healthy another year older.
If Trevor can stay upright, he will be good to very good. Not great, but certainly good enough to win a lot of games if the cast is good. Even good enough to win a post-season game.
But history has shown us he won't last all season. Maybe the best hope for them is an early injury and he doesn't return until week 18 or so.
I'm not sold on Mace as an effective force for SSK. He was looking scruffy on the sidelines, and looking like he's been hitting the cheeseburgers more than the weight room. I give him a 50/50 shot at being an effective HC. Many DCs have tried, many have failed. (cough Claybrooks cough)
Are you guys prepared to put SSK ahead of CGY and EDM at this juncture? EDM sounds like an easy call, but they might surprise. CJones has to produce in year 3 or he'll be out. But CGY doesn't often stay in the dumps for long. Surely they have to be trying to make something happen. In fact, all 3 teams are sort of in "meh" mode pretty much all stinking for 2-3 years, and all 3 are desperate. What gives SSK the edge over the other 2 wannabees in your mind?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 23, 2024, 06:26:37 AMWhat about that #74 Adams(?) I think? The guy who was making plays then had the save-fumble (not really his fault(ish)). Was I reading that name wrong all game?? SSK radio guys couldn't figure out his name.
Tyler Adams was 1 of 5 Blue Bombers players who were credited with playing the game but weren't listed on the depth chart. 4 of these players were credited with at least one catch in the game.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on May 23, 2024, 02:07:49 AMwe shall see if Harris has it still let alone stays healthy another year older.
That's just it. I don't think anyone doubts that the Riders will be competitive if Harris is healthy, but I don't think too many people have a lot of confidence that he will play out the season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 23, 2024, 06:29:06 AMI would totally look at scrap heap'n. However, SSK clearly still does mega-cheating on ST (and got caught a lot this time, thankfully), so how much was the returner vs the cheatin' blockers? You'd have to really study the film to determine that.
They did attack with massive speed instead of dancing and hesitating, though. And that's always a good thing.
Hopefully Miller beats whoever remains on AR into shape before week 1. This weak ST nonsense cannot continue in '24.
It was preseason 1. We went to Regina with 100 guys, and a lot of them first year guys. Our STs were not going to look good in that game and is not any kind of indication at all of what we might see in the regular season.
Quote from: bluebeard on May 22, 2024, 11:25:55 PMThis Rider team is not the same Rider team of the past 2 seasons. Any team that takes them lightly will be in for a big surprise. This coaching staff is definately much better then the Dickenson one. Also better recruiting. They will be one tough team and by the middle of the season will be hard to beat. I feel that we are still better but not by much. :o
I disagree. They trotted out their starters on offence and defence for a quarter and a half and were only able to generate 3 points and tie our 2/3/4th stringers. To me they looked poor.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 23, 2024, 06:38:17 AMIf Trevor can stay upright, he will be good to very good. Not great, but certainly good enough to win a lot of games if the cast is good. Even good enough to win a post-season game.
But history has shown us he won't last all season. Maybe the best hope for them is an early injury and he doesn't return until week 18 or so.
I'm not sold on Mace as an effective force for SSK. He was looking scruffy on the sidelines, and looking like he's been hitting the cheeseburgers more than the weight room. I give him a 50/50 shot at being an effective HC. Many DCs have tried, many have failed. (cough Claybrooks cough)
Are you guys prepared to put SSK ahead of CGY and EDM at this juncture? EDM sounds like an easy call, but they might surprise. CJones has to produce in year 3 or he'll be out. But CGY doesn't often stay in the dumps for long. Surely they have to be trying to make something happen. In fact, all 3 teams are sort of in "meh" mode pretty much all stinking for 2-3 years, and all 3 are desperate. What gives SSK the edge over the other 2 wannabees in your mind?
I think Edmonton is going to be better than both Sask and Calgary.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 23, 2024, 06:38:17 AMIf Trevor can stay upright,
I'm not sold on Mace as an effective force for SSK.
Agree to both. Mace has never been a head coach and there is usually a learning curve. And yeah, he looks a lot older than 38.
Harris is the new Buck Pierce. Sask has a chance IF he plays.
Quote from: Stats Junkie on May 23, 2024, 06:47:23 AMTyler Adams was 1 of 5 Blue Bombers players who were credited with playing the game but weren't listed on the depth chart. 4 of these players were credited with at least one catch in the game.
Somebody isn't doing their job properly and it makes the team look sloppy in terms of handling game-day roster organization, they started slipping last season with delays in the release of the game-day roster and it looks like it's an ongoing issue that hasn't been addressed. Hopefully it gets resolved before the first regular season game in a few weeks. 7 cases of players sharing the same number on the roster is enough to drive an announcer mad, numerous unlisted numbers, I still can't figure out which DE is #92 a week after I first noticed him on film.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 23, 2024, 02:07:32 PMSomebody isn't doing their job properly and it makes the team look sloppy in terms of handling game-day roster organization, they started slipping last season with delays in the release of the game-day roster and it looks like it's an ongoing issue that hasn't been addressed. Hopefully it gets resolved before the first regular season game in a few weeks. 7 cases of players sharing the same number on the roster is enough to drive an announcer mad, numerous unlisted numbers, I still can't figure out which DE is #92 a week after I first noticed him on film.
#92 is Jabari Ellis.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 23, 2024, 03:28:24 PM#92 is Jabari Ellis.
Thanks, he looks very quick and mobile.
Every Bomber practice they hand out a roster list. I have notice from the first practice till todays practice, some of the numbers have changed for a few players.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 23, 2024, 03:30:36 PMThanks, he looks very quick and mobile.
Yes, he is a guy you notice in practice also.
Note: CFL lists Kornelson at 6'3" 240, he looks a little bigger then 240.
Quote from: Pigskin on May 23, 2024, 03:34:36 PMYes, he is a guy you notice in practice also.
Note: CFL lists Kornelson at 6'3" 240, he looks a little bigger then 240.
Was it Kornelson or Adamson that they wanted to switch to O-line?
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 23, 2024, 04:14:00 PMWas it Kornelson or Adamson that they wanted to switch to O-line?
That was Adamson
Quote from: Jesse on May 23, 2024, 01:15:53 PMI think Edmonton is going to be better than both Sask and Calgary.
I might agree with you, but that's what I said last year and I got burned badly on the pickems (and fantasy) as a result. So this year I'll take a more cautious wait-and-see approach. As in all things football, a lot will depend on how good the QB (MBT) looks.
If I'm a GM and I can pick between Trevor, MBT and Maier, I'm picking them in exactly that order. So maybe that will be how the teams' seasons shake out (barring injury).
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on May 23, 2024, 02:07:32 PMSomebody isn't doing their job properly and it makes the team look sloppy in terms of handling game-day roster organization, they started slipping last season with delays in the release of the game-day roster and it looks like it's an ongoing issue that hasn't been addressed.
The way the league and teams handle the roster releases is archaic, ad hoc, and haphazard. It's, frankly, shameful. There were many times last season where it was 2 hours before kickoff and the full-size "real" roster that goes on Game Tracker wasn't release yet. But I wouldn't say WFC was one of the worst, that title falls to HAM.
24 hours before the kickoff (or the midnight before, or whatever cutoff the CFL specifies in writing) the charts should all be up on game tracker and/or a standardized page on every teams' website (most of which clearly use the same software). And the PDFs shouldn't be hosted willy nilly on random team-specific cloudfront cloud hosting, they should all be on one server with standardized filenames instead of random digits.
e.g.
https://cfl.ca/depthcharts/2024-05-31-WPG.pdf
https://cfl.ca/depthcharts/2024-05-31-CGY.pdf
etc.
This isn't rocket science. I can program this stuff in my sleep. And no excuse that they are getting the charts to the league just not to the public. It should be the same thing. They get the chart to the league and the league makes it public, all automated, all instantaneous.
And a team that is late with their chart gets penalized financially (maybe on the SMS!!), and if they continue then they lose a DP.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 23, 2024, 11:08:30 PMThe way the league and teams handle the roster releases is archaic, ad hoc, and haphazard. It's, frankly, shameful. There were many times last season where it was 2 hours before kickoff and the full-size "real" roster that goes on Game Tracker wasn't release yet. But I wouldn't say WFC was one of the worst, that title falls to HAM.
24 hours before the kickoff (or the midnight before, or whatever cutoff the CFL specifies in writing) the charts should all be up on game tracker and/or a standardized page on every teams' website (most of which clearly use the same software). And the PDFs shouldn't be hosted willy nilly on random team-specific cloudfront cloud hosting, they should all be on one server with standardized filenames instead of random digits.
e.g.
https://cfl.ca/depthcharts/2024-05-31-WPG.pdf
https://cfl.ca/depthcharts/2024-05-31-CGY.pdf
etc.
This isn't rocket science. I can program this stuff in my sleep. And no excuse that they are getting the charts to the league just not to the public. It should be the same thing. They get the chart to the league and the league makes it public, all automated, all instantaneous.
And a team that is late with their chart gets penalized financially (maybe on the SMS!!), and if they continue then they lose a DP.
I seriously don't recall this being a problem in previous years, document management all seemed to fall apart once "Genius" became involved.
Quick Hits | Training Camp Day 12
"...In his first season in Winnipeg he (Jamiesen Sheahan) finished with a 46.3-yard punting average while dropping nine kicks inside the opponents' 10-yard line – tied for second most in the CFL and a remarkable number given he punted 30-40 times less than the league leaders. Sheahan is also the team's holder on placekicks. He said his goal for this season is to continue to work on the more traditional spiral punts — he has all the Aussie-style kicks already mastered — while finding more consistency.
"I have really high expectations for myself and I know I can only improve going forward," said Sheahan. "I've already seen the benefits in my football. I'm calmer and smoother and more under control. All that work in the offseason with the meditating, reading and journaling really creates a calmer mind and hopefully a better performance...."
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"...Dante Mastrogiuseppe handled all the field-goal attempts at practice with Sergio Castillo away on a personal matter. Castillo is expected to return on the weekend..."
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Quote from: ModAdmin on May 24, 2024, 04:24:25 AM"...In his first season in Winnipeg he (Jamiesen Sheahan) finished with a 46.3-yard punting average while dropping nine kicks inside the opponents' 10-yard line – tied for second most in the CFL and a remarkable number given he punted 30-40 times less than the league leaders.
There was that one he kicked early in 2023 @IGF where it rolled (really slowly) into the cone at the EZ. Crowd went nuts, but the in-the-know fans were groaning. Single/rouge, boo.
Got me thinking that doing such an impossible feat should count as a coffin corner, not a rouge. However, doing this would contradict the normal rules of the cone-is-the-EZ. Still, would make it more exciting for fans in the 1-in-a-1000 chance they hit the cone.
I didn't think Sheahan was bad at the time last season. And on my rewatch I'm appreciating what he brings more and more. Clearly that's what they were thinking when they decided to stick with the "experiment" for 2024. It's just that the one thing most expect -- a booming high-arc punt -- is mostly lacking from his repertoire.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 24, 2024, 06:14:37 AMThere was that one he kicked early in 2023 @IGF where it rolled (really slowly) into the cone at the EZ. Crowd went nuts, but the in-the-know fans were groaning. Single/rouge, boo.
Got me thinking that doing such an impossible feat should count as a coffin corner, not a rouge. However, doing this would contradict the normal rules of the cone-is-the-EZ. Still, would make it more exciting for fans in the 1-in-a-1000 chance they hit the cone.
I didn't think Sheahan was bad at the time last season. And on my rewatch I'm appreciating what he brings more and more. Clearly that's what they were thinking when they decided to stick with the "experiment" for 2024. It's just that the one thing most expect -- a booming high-arc punt -- is mostly lacking from his repertoire.
Agreed. And that's one thing that could really help out our punt coverage too. Not all 50-yard punts are the same. A little extra lift under some punts would go a really long way.