2 hour show. Air date: 7 to 9pm, Feb 26. I don't see it on the podcast page yet but you can listen from the audio vault here:
https://globalnews.ca/pages/audio-vault-cjob/
Was there anything interesting?
Listening now.
Neufeld making it sound like it's a done deal he will not be the RT. Says it's a competition between Ivy and Lofton. (Ruh-roh, time to revive the "OL Solutions" thread.)
DT says Gray won't be back. Not maybe, not might be convinced if the money is right, just won't be back. Hints Dobson is likely at LG, or Eli.
DT ran the numbers from 2021-2023 and when Jeffcoat was out Willie got zero sacks. Zero! That confirms all of our suspicions that the 2 J's were a package deal, it wasn't all just Willie.
(They did say Willie could still get pressure.)
Quote from: Waffler on February 27, 2024, 02:25:07 PM2 hour show. Air date: 7 to 9pm, Feb 26. I don't see it on the podcast page yet but you can listen from the audio vault here:
Thanks for the initial heads up, Waffler. I would have never known about it. This type of tip is why I love this forum!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 28, 2024, 01:01:39 AMListening now.
Neufeld making it sound like it's a done deal he will not be the RT. Says it's a competition between Ivy and Lofton. (Ruh-roh, time to revive the "OL Solutions" thread.)
makes sense, those are the two guys he knows. Wouldn't read too deeply into that.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 28, 2024, 10:36:00 AMDT ran the numbers from 2021-2023 and when Jeffcoat was out Willie got zero sacks. Zero! That confirms all of our suspicions that the 2 J's were a package deal, it wasn't all just Willie.
(They did say Willie could still get pressure.)
Doug Brown mentioned that Jeffcoat's body was older than his age and at 33 you don't turn the corner and get healthier. Also that fans don't realize how much stock coaches put in durability, counting on a player to be there game in and game out. From myself, I notice that Jeffcoat practiced very little last year and the coaches must see where the trend is going.
Quote from: Waffler on February 28, 2024, 03:32:20 PMAlso that fans don't realize how much stock coaches put in durability, counting on a player to be there game in and game out.
"The best ability is availability."
-Someone
Quote from: Waffler on February 28, 2024, 03:32:20 PMDoug Brown mentioned that Jeffcoat's body was older than his age and at 33 you don't turn the corner and get healthier. Also that fans don't realize how much stock coaches put in durability, counting on a player to be there game in and game out. From myself, I notice that Jeffcoat practiced very little last year and the coaches must see where the trend is going.
Walters gambled and lost on Jeffcoat, his intention was to bring him back at a discount and it failed. They've got no equivalent replacement for his QB pressure and Willy's sack count is about to go MIA from being double teamed and constantly chipped. The D is going to have to be reconfigured around a mediocre pass rush this season unless they find a DE stud in TC that can match Jeffcoat's pressure. They have no cap space to fix anything that's inadequate coming out of TC, so the impact of significant player loss could be deep and painful.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 28, 2024, 05:27:19 PMWalters gambled and lost on Jeffcoat, his intention was to bring him back at a discount and it failed. They've got no equivalent replacement for his QB pressure and Willy's sack count is about to go MIA from being double teamed and constantly chipped. The D is going to have to be reconfigured around a mediocre pass rush this season unless they find a DE stud in TC that can match Jeffcoat's pressure. They have no cap space to fix anything that's inadequate coming out of TC, so the impact of significant player loss could be deep and painful.
Exactly....we have to wait through training camp to determine whether or not Jeffcoat and his talent can be replaced. Too early to say we can't/won't.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 28, 2024, 05:27:19 PMbring him back at a discount.
I think this is what other teams thought. He didn't receive a firm and good enough offer from any team to put his body on the line again. I think Walters would have paid him respectably if he had the money left to give.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 28, 2024, 05:27:19 PMWalters gambled and lost on Jeffcoat, his intention was to bring him back at a discount and it failed. They've got no equivalent replacement for his QB pressure and Willy's sack count is about to go MIA from being double teamed and constantly chipped. The D is going to have to be reconfigured around a mediocre pass rush this season unless they find a DE stud in TC that can match Jeffcoat's pressure. They have no cap space to fix anything that's inadequate coming out of TC, so the impact of significant player loss could be deep and painful.
Seeing as how no other team offered a contract to Jeffcoat, I'm pretty sure that Walters "gamble" on Jeffcoat worked out. Haba on the field is better than Jeffcoat in the tub... if Jeffcoat was healthy and ready to play 18+ games at top level, then yeah, Walters would have lost the gamble. I don't think anyone, including Jeffcoat, would think that he was going to play 18 games at an elite level in 2024.
Love Jeffcoat, but there comes a time when its time. We will remember his contributions fondly.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 28, 2024, 10:36:00 AMDT ran the numbers from 2021-2023 and when Jeffcoat was out Willie got zero sacks. Zero! That confirms all of our suspicions that the 2 J's were a package deal, it wasn't all just Willie.
(They did say Willie could still get pressure.)
I've heard DT say this before, but even a quick check proves it's not true at all.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 28, 2024, 07:42:28 PMSeeing as how no other team offered a contract to Jeffcoat, I'm pretty sure that Walters "gamble" on Jeffcoat worked out. Haba on the field is better than Jeffcoat in the tub... if Jeffcoat was healthy and ready to play 18+ games at top level, then yeah, Walters would have lost the gamble. I don't think anyone, including Jeffcoat, would think that he was going to play 18 games at an elite level in 2024.
Love Jeffcoat, but there comes a time when its time. We will remember his contributions fondly.
The Stamps, Lions and Riders were all interested in Jeffcoat, Sask. offered him a contract but by the time he went back to Walters to match, they signed Malik Carney and withdrew the offer. Just to clarify misconceptions Jeffcoat missed 3 games last season due to injury.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 28, 2024, 09:33:15 PMJeffcoat missed 3 games last season due to injury.
We know. It was a herculean effort. The fact remains that he was listed as questionable almost every week and rarely practiced. It was acceptable only because he's an honored vet and it was assumed this was his farewell tour. Coming back again, you have to wonder how nervous a coach wants to be.
Quote from: Jesse on February 28, 2024, 07:52:39 PMI've heard DT say this before, but even a quick check proves it's not true at all.
I don't know. DT is supposedly the numbers geek, and I'm guessing he did his homework here? Why put his rep on the line to spout nonsense?
And it jives with what we all here said and could feel: Jeffcoat is pivotal in making Willie better, because teams don't know who to double-team.
You may have to list actual games that contradict DT to win the argument. Or StatsJunkie probably has something for us...
And in the end, surely if it's not zero, it is much reduced, so the point kinda remains.
Definitely a player you want in your lineup when he's healthy. JJ only played 78 of 104 regular season games over 6 years. Last season 14 games, 21 DTs, 8 sacks. Unfortunately he just couldn't stay healthy.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 28, 2024, 10:28:26 PMDefinitely a player you want in your lineup when he's healthy. JJ only played 78 of 104 regular season games over 6 years. Last season 14 games, 21 DTs, 8 sacks. Unfortunately he just couldn't stay healthy.
It's too bad the CFL/SMS doesn't have a provision for players like this. Guys who are literally top tier but are too fragile to play every game. If there was some weird separate tiny roster where you get better SMS relief for missed games, and AR guarantees while being on a PR/IR-type roster, then perhaps players like Jeffcoat could continue to play and contribute?
Assuming he stays around his current talent level, what team wouldn't want that guy on their team come post-season time? Literally the only knock on the guy is he gets hurt a lot. If I'm JJ, I'd stay in shape, as he'd be the perfect couch-pickup later in the season for any team.
If the league wants to extend the careers of aging IMPs, such a thing would seem ideal. Better than the 23-snaps waste of time. Call it the "glass roster". Throw Loffler on it while you're at it.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 29, 2024, 12:44:57 AMIt's too bad the CFL/SMS doesn't have a provision for players like this. Guys who are literally top tier but are too fragile to play every game. If there was some weird separate tiny roster where you get better SMS relief for missed games, and AR guarantees while being on a PR/IR-type roster, then perhaps players like Jeffcoat could continue to play and contribute?
Assuming he stays around his current talent level, what team wouldn't want that guy on their team come post-season time? Literally the only knock on the guy is he gets hurt a lot. If I'm JJ, I'd stay in shape, as he'd be the perfect couch-pickup later in the season for any team.
If the league wants to extend the careers of aging IMPs, such a thing would seem ideal. Better than the 23-snaps waste of time. Call it the "glass roster". Throw Loffler on it while you're at it.
Half of the Esks and Stamps would be on the "glass roster"... any way to subvert the $SMS...
Maybe a "Senior Man Clause" would be more suitable. A player with 3 or more years service on the same team and 6 or more years of professional ball can be rostered but not subject to the 6 game IR rule or the game cheque rule. Any games missed would have 1/18th of the contract value forgiven from the SMS.
One player per team. Lets you hang onto a guy like Jeffcoat. Or Muamba. Or Burnham. Or even a Harris (Andrew or Trevor) for one more year. Guys that might spend a lot of time in the tub that year but are valuable on the sideline and in the locker and film rooms.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 28, 2024, 10:19:24 PMI don't know. DT is supposedly the numbers geek, and I'm guessing he did his homework here? Why put his rep on the line to spout nonsense?
And it jives with what we all here said and could feel: Jeffcoat is pivotal in making Willie better, because teams don't know who to double-team.
You may have to list actual games that contradict DT to win the argument. Or StatsJunkie probably has something for us...
And in the end, surely if it's not zero, it is much reduced, so the point kinda remains.
Literally the first game I checked. Week 1 this past season. Jeffcoat was out, Willie got 2 sacks (and a forced fumble).
Week 5: No Jeffcoat, Willie got 2 more sacks.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 29, 2024, 12:44:57 AMIt's too bad the CFL/SMS doesn't have a provision for players like this. Guys who are literally top tier but are too fragile to play every game. If there was some weird separate tiny roster where you get better SMS relief for missed games, and AR guarantees while being on a PR/IR-type roster, then perhaps players like Jeffcoat could continue to play and contribute?
Assuming he stays around his current talent level, what team wouldn't want that guy on their team come post-season time? Literally the only knock on the guy is he gets hurt a lot. If I'm JJ, I'd stay in shape, as he'd be the perfect couch-pickup later in the season for any team.
If the league wants to extend the careers of aging IMPs, such a thing would seem ideal. Better than the 23-snaps waste of time. Call it the "glass roster". Throw Loffler on it while you're at it.
Jeffcoat would have been a perfect candidate for the "Fake Natl" designation, it would have reduced his reps. and perhaps help maintain his health. As for coming back later in the season, he made it pretty clear in that interview he has no intentions of doing so, his plan is to quit training and drop weight.
Quote from: Jesse on February 29, 2024, 01:46:47 AMLiterally the first game I checked. Week 1 this past season. Jeffcoat was out, Willie got 2 sacks (and a forced fumble).
Week 5: No Jeffcoat, Willie got 2 more sacks.
I'll take your word for it... I recently watched week 1 and don't remember anyone but Haba getting sacks, but you're probably right. I'm used to Willie being awesome that sometimes I don't make a mental note of it.
Since apparently WFC reads some of these, someone get the word to DT that he needs to do a mea culpa in his next pre-season special! ;D Tsk tsk DT!
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 29, 2024, 02:05:19 AMJeffcoat would have been a perfect candidate for the "Fake Natl" designation, it would have reduced his reps. and perhaps help maintain his health.
It does seem that way, nearly ideal in fact, but that leaves out the most important variable, from WFC point of view: we can't afford the SMS hit. For the FAKENAT/VETIMP (DNA) guy to be truly valuable, something has to hang outside the SMS umbrella.
Aards has the right idea. SMS only counts when he's playing, yet we pay him his normal salary each week. Money doesn't matter (for WFC), it's the SMS hit that matters. Or make a straight up SMS shield for 1 designated aging vet player (5+ seasons?), maybe like you can pay them up to double ELC but only the ELC counts towards the SMS.
We could have kept Jeffcoat under those conditions. He'd have accepted $150k real salary, and WFC would have accepted a $80k SMS hit. Boom, problem solved.
Oh well, I'll be in the corner, and I'll keep dreaming.
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Great interview, well worth listening to.