Thread for announcing/discussing other CFL teams 2024 Free Agency news and views beginning on Feb. 13, 2024 at noon ET.
Everything you need to know about Free Agency 2024...
https://www.cfl.ca/everything-you-need-to-know-ahead-2024-cfl-free-agency/?lid=vg8h3xin5p4h
Adeleke to the Argos.
DL Betts to the (Detroit) Lions, futures contract: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/report-mathieu-betts-to-sign-with-detroit-lions/
Argos sign Exume.
Walker has decided to NOT sign in Calgary. Perhaps he may be returning to Winnipeg if his SMS ask is affordable?
Not much going on so far. Adeleke might be the biggest move so far today.
Someone wake me up if something happens, OK?
It's official, Houston has signed with Calgary.
QB Prukop to the Lions: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/report-lions-to-sign-quarterback-dakota-prukop/
RB Erlington to the Alouettes: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/alouettes-sign-national-rb-sean-thomas-erlington/
Trevon Tate to Calgary
Jovon Leake to Edmonton.
DB Edwards-Cooper to the Riders: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/super-coop-riders-sign-jalon-edwards-cooper/
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 13, 2024, 04:46:28 PMWalker has decided to NOT sign in Calgary. Perhaps he may be returning to Winnipeg if his SMS ask is affordable?
Not much going on so far. Adeleke might be the biggest move so far today.
Hilarious, probably took one look at the team facilities and changed his mind. Interesting I went hunting for a Yoshi interview on the Rider team website yesterday and found no mention of his signing at all, could be he hasn't committed yet.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 13, 2024, 06:06:48 PMHilarious, probably took one look at the team facilities and changed his mind. Interesting I went hunting for a Yoshi interview on the Rider team website yesterday and found no mention of his signing at all, could be he hasn't committed yet.
It's official: https://www.riderville.com/2024/02/13/riders-bring-outstanding-offensive-lineman-jermarcus-hardrick-to-saskatchewan/
DB Adeleke signs with the Argos: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/switching-sides-adeleke-sopik-sign-with-argos/
DL Carney signs with the Riders: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/defensive-end-malik-carney-joins-roughriders/
DL Wiggan signs with the Alouettes: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/als-add-to-d-line-with-derek-wiggan-signing/
Ti-Cats re-sign WR Godwin II: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/ticats-re-sign-american-wr-terry-godwin-ii/
Argos sign Hansen.
It's now official. Ouellette to the Riders.
https://3downnation.com/2024/02/13/official-riders-sign-all-star-american-rb-a-j-ouellette/
Andrew Harris plans to keep supporting former teammate and friend A.J. Ouellette even after he signed with the Riders, commenting "Can't believe I'm gonna be buying a Sask jersey".
Quote from: Ridermania on February 13, 2024, 09:20:36 PMIt's now official. Ouellette to the Riders.
https://3downnation.com/2024/02/13/official-riders-sign-all-star-american-rb-a-j-ouellette/
Andrew Harris plans to keep supporting former teammate and friend A.J. Ouellette even after he signed with the Riders, commenting "Can't believe I'm gonna be buying a Sask jersey".
Sacrilege if true! I may have to burn my Harris Bombers jersey if so! ;) :D
Quote from: Pigskin on February 13, 2024, 09:15:11 PMArgos sign Hansen.
What? I can't believe it. That ungrateful so-and-so. {grumble, grumble}
DL Robertson signs with the Lions: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/lions-sign-dl-pete-robertson-to-one-year-contract/
Makes sense with Betts' departure to the NFL.
DL Hendrix signs with the Ti-Cats: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/ticats-sign-dl-dewayne-hendrix-to-two-year-contract/
Argos re-sign RB Adeboboye: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/argos-sign-rb-daniel-adeboboye-to-extension/
Exume to Argos
DL Barlow signs with the Ti-Cats: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/brandow-barlow-signs-two-year-contract-with-ticats/
RB Carey signs with the Argos: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/cfl-all-star-rb-kadeem-carey-joins-the-double-blue/
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2024, 02:51:10 PMDL Barlow signs with the Ti-Cats: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/brandow-barlow-signs-two-year-contract-with-ticats/
Stacking the lines like they always do, hopefully the Bombers can pick up on some of their fallout.
QB Dolegala signs with the Lions: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/lions-sign-quarterback-jake-dolegala/
DL Wynn signs with the Alouettes: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/dylan-wynn-touches-down-in-montreal/
We ain't doing much! :-\
WR O'Leary-Orange, OL Johnson sign with the Ti-Cats: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/ticats-ink-nationals-brendan-oleary-orange-evan-johnson/
I think he's going to be a good one. I hope he gets a chance to start.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 14, 2024, 05:59:58 PMI think is going to be a good one. I hope he gets a chance to start.
Ti-Cats are a good landing spot for BOLO but they also recently signed Luther Hakunavanhu from the Stamps.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 14, 2024, 05:54:31 PMWe ain't doing much! :-\
18 of 24 starters are back, adding Chris Streveler and Tyrell Ford from NFL stints.
Clements signed by Toronto. AS a Bomber 24 Games, 54 DTs, 10 STs, 4 Sacks, 1 FF.
Well, that's Clements, Hansen, and Exume all to the Argo's.
DL Oakman re-signs with Argonauts: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/staying-in-the-six-oakman-re-signs-with-argonauts/
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2024, 04:25:55 PMRB Carey signs with the Argos: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/cfl-all-star-rb-kadeem-carey-joins-the-double-blue/
Wow! Surprised at this one. What's Calgary doing over there?
Quote from: J5V on February 14, 2024, 11:22:34 PMWow! Surprised at this one. What's Calgary doing over there?
They still have Mills and Logan, tried to sign Morrow from Sask. but apparently he failed their physical.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2024, 04:25:55 PMRB Carey signs with the Argos: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/cfl-all-star-rb-kadeem-carey-joins-the-double-blue/
This is actually a perfect fit for both. Carey's been used incorrectly for many seasons and many teams now.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 14, 2024, 08:20:49 PMClements signed by Toronto. AS a Bomber 24 Games, 54 DTs, 10 STs, 4 Sacks, 1 FF.
Clements was pretty good. But he's sort of a limbo-land player: not good enough to bench existing starters, not bad enough to cut. I think TOR will use him as we did: injury depth / spelling. However, they probably had a bit more $$ to throw his way.
I thought / was hoping Clements would be the eventual heir. Oh well, guess we'll see what we have in the next guy.
It looks like in the world of CFL GMs you don't (can't!) think too far ahead. Just put out the fires you have now. Maybe the good ones try to think longer term about OL and QB, 2 areas you can't rapidly improve even if you have the $$.
Prukop to BC is also a perfect move. BC desperately needed to improve their SY game and Prukop is the best. We will field Strev as #2 & #3 & SY all-in-1, so we didn't need him.
I don't see anyone taking Dom Davis as he can't do #2, #3 or SY well. However, a desperate team with tons'o'injuries mid-season may bite if he stays in shape. This is likely the moment that Dom Davis finally retires. He had a pretty long run, and plenty of shots.
DB Evans signs with the Lions: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/14/lions-sign-all-star-db-ciante-evans-to-one-year-contract/
LB Lawrence retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/15/longtime-ticat-simoni-lawrence-announces-retirement/
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2024, 02:38:13 PMLB Lawrence retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/15/longtime-ticat-simoni-lawrence-announces-retirement/
Good riddance.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2024, 02:38:13 PMLB Lawrence retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/15/longtime-ticat-simoni-lawrence-announces-retirement/
At least he didn't Durant Hamilton... he could probably signed a deal with a bonus and then retired...
A player no one liked to play against, but wouldn't mind on their team. Hamilton will miss him.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 15, 2024, 04:34:01 AMPrukop to BC is also a perfect move. BC desperately needed to improve their SY game and Prukop is the best. We will field Strev as #2 & #3 & SY all-in-1, so we didn't need him.
I don't see anyone taking Dom Davis as he can't do #2, #3 or SY well. However, a desperate team with tons'o'injuries mid-season may bite if he stays in shape. This is likely the moment that Dom Davis finally retires. He had a pretty long run, and plenty of shots.
I'm curious to how much BC is paying Adams, Prukop and Dolegala....thats gotta be a very hefty payroll for QB's. Sounds like previous BC and Calgary teams in the last 20 years that over spent at QB with mixed positive and negative results.
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on February 15, 2024, 05:36:28 PMI'm curious to how much BC is paying Adams, Prukop and Dolegala....thats gotta be a very hefty payroll for QB's. Sounds like previous BC and Calgary teams in the last 20 years that over spent at QB with mixed positive and negative results.
Neither are earning $100k and Adams is being paid well below Collaros salary, Bombers are paying more for QB's than BC.
Quote from: KINGCHARLES on February 15, 2024, 05:36:28 PMI'm curious to how much BC is paying Adams, Prukop and Dolegala....
My guess on Prukop as probably the best roving SY QB is $120k. Dolegala was probably close to ELC (maybe $90?) as I doubt he had any other phone calls. However, if I had my choice, I'd take Fine over him (both suck).
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 15, 2024, 02:38:13 PMLB Lawrence retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/15/longtime-ticat-simoni-lawrence-announces-retirement/
Good. One less D bag in the league!!
Riders sign Cdn. OL Ryan Sceviour.
https://3downnation.com/2024/02/16/saskatchewan-roughriders-sign-canadian-ol-ryan-sceviour/
Sad to see Bailey go.. but unfortunately American receivers are a dime a dozen..
Quote from: DM83 on February 19, 2024, 12:23:42 AMWhere did Bailey go?
Couch.
And if no one takes him at his premium ask, and he still wants to ball, then we can probably get him back at $20k above ELC. I would pay that in a heartbeat. He didn't do much in the GC, but he did a lot of clutch conversions in the reg season, and he's a good blocker and good at taking punishment and shaking it off. Has the dude ever been injured?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 19, 2024, 01:14:08 AMCouch.
And if no one takes him at his premium ask, and he still wants to ball, then we can probably get him back at $20k above ELC. I would pay that in a heartbeat. He didn't do much in the GC, but he did a lot of clutch conversions in the reg season, and he's a good blocker and good at taking punishment and shaking it off. Has the dude ever been injured?
With the players under contract, Bailey, while excellent, barring injury, is redundant. We need the 4/5th rec spot (depending where you put Wolitarsky) for a development player to eventually replace Lawler or Schoen or whomever is the next WR we can't afford to re-sign.
Even at ELC + $20k, we are more than deep enough at vet WR.
I would love to see him back, and your scenario might play out, or he might even get a call is someone slips in the shower next week. But if Kyle has any intent in signing him after Schoen signed, Bailey would already have his name on a contract.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 19, 2024, 01:14:08 AMCouch.
And if no one takes him at his premium ask, and he still wants to ball, then we can probably get him back at $20k above ELC. I would pay that in a heartbeat. He didn't do much in the GC, but he did a lot of clutch conversions in the reg season, and he's a good blocker and good at taking punishment and shaking it off. Has the dude ever been injured?
He was a GTD for the West Final and the Grey Cup, played both games with a bad knee.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2024, 03:13:52 AMHe was a GTD for the West Final and the Grey Cup, played both games with a bad knee.
But has Bailey ever missed games? I can't recall one. Certainly isn't known as a "tub sitter".
As for the bad knee... after the result of the '23 GC, I'm wondering if the hobbled-starter is better than the eager next-man-up. So many players we may have made the wrong call on: Biggie, Schoen, Bailey. Who else? All injured and questionable. All started and then did not much of anything.
I wasn't a big believer in the next-man-up idea, but maybe I am now? The Mafia needs to take a long hard look at that strategy should it recur going into the '24 GC.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 19, 2024, 03:58:35 AMI'm wondering if the hobbled-starter is better than the eager next-man-up. So many players we may have made the wrong call on: Biggie, Schoen, Bailey. Who else? All injured and questionable. All started and then did not much of anything.
Just my own theory but I feel Biggie played only because it was a possibility he would want to retire a winner and this was his last game. O'Shea is like that. I don't see Grey cup week practices or warmup so I don't know what he showed. It was also well known he had a leg injury, you think Montreal would not exploit it? If we get back we have to put the best team on the field regardless of how hard it is to tell a Bighill he has to sit.
Quote from: Waffler on February 19, 2024, 01:04:57 PMJust my own theory but I feel Biggie played only because it was a possibility he would want to retire a winner and this was his last game. O'Shea is like that. I don't see Grey cup week practices or warmup so I don't know what he showed. It was also well known he had a leg injury, you think Montreal would not exploit it? If we get back we have to put the best team on the field regardless of how hard it is to tell a Bighill he has to sit.
From my understanding Grey Cup week with all of it's events does not allow for any serious practice time, basically have to rely on a walk-through the day before the game. The Als may have had an advantage of a normal game-day week, if they delayed their arrival and flew in the day before the game.
WR White re-signs with the Ti-Cats: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/19/report-tiger-cats-re-sign-receiver-tim-white/
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 19, 2024, 04:52:03 PMWR White re-signs with the Ti-Cats: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/19/report-tiger-cats-re-sign-receiver-tim-white/
$265 sounds fair, if a bit high. I guess the "300 or nothing" smashed into the brick wall of reality.
I'm taking Schoen @$230 over White @$265 any day of the week. White is better at the go route, circus and dive, but Schoen is the smarter player at finding the holes and scrambling. You need an inside player on your roster, too. Our White is Kenny. I like our mix (though pricey).
White ain't doing anything with cross-eyed noodle BLM anyhow. Who's their #2? He'll be moved up by week 4, mark my words. I look forward to seeing Bo on the TSN Panel again. That's where his current talent lies.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 20, 2024, 02:36:05 AM$265 sounds fair, if a bit high. I guess the "300 or nothing" smashed into the brick wall of reality.
I'm taking Schoen @$230 over White @$265 any day of the week. White is better at the go route, circus and dive, but Schoen is the smarter player at finding the holes and scrambling. You need an inside player on your roster, too. Our White is Kenny. I like our mix (though pricey).
White ain't doing anything with cross-eyed noodle BLM anyhow. Who's their #2? He'll be moved up by week 4, mark my words. I look forward to seeing Bo on the TSN Panel again. That's where his current talent lies.
White at 265 is a bit high, but not mind boggingly high. He's a very good receiver.
Quote from: GCn19 on February 20, 2024, 01:12:17 PMWhite at 265 is a bit high, but not mind boggingly high. He's a very good receiver.
Really more of a sign of the times of what top end receivers are earning nowadays. thanks Chris Jones.
Dave Naylor now reporting it as quite a bit less than $265. Seems like receiver salaries are coming back down.
"Tim White's 2-year deal with @Ticats comes in at just under $200k in hard money for 2023 season, with 12k in promo, $600 for each game on roster and another $15k in incentives. Second year hard money goes to just above $200k, promo $ goes to $20k. #CFL #Ticats"
Quote from: Jesse on February 20, 2024, 10:29:30 PMDave Naylor now reporting it as quite a bit less than $265. Seems like receiver salaries are coming back down.
"Tim White's 2-year deal with @Ticats comes in at just under $200k in hard money for 2023 season, with 12k in promo, $600 for each game on roster and another $15k in incentives. Second year hard money goes to just above $200k, promo $ goes to $20k. #CFL #Ticats"
White was faced with a "take it or leave it" offer with no other offers on the table. Good for Hamilton for standing their ground, the days of receivers making $300k are probably over.
This FA season turned rapidly into a buyers market, for those with funds to spend.
There are a lot of players out there available on what will be team friendly deals now, for teams with needs and cap space.
Walters is usually the guy who makes the late FA deals, but this year, looks like the wallet is empty.
And Jones seems to have emptied his clip early, and ODay...
So whites deal is looking more like it maxes out to 230 k this year and 258k next. Much on line with Schoen which makes sense.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 21, 2024, 04:18:13 PMThis FA season turned rapidly into a buyers market, for those with funds to spend.
There are a lot of players out there available on what will be team friendly deals now, for teams with needs and cap space.
Ya, it certainly feels like
way more players than roster spots this FA (more than usual). I think the money ran out (from all teams) because too many of the top-25 players are taking all the money. It really seems to be hitting the middle players the hardest, unless they were smart enough to get on the horn early to re-sign before the FA chaos.
If the draft is good, it'll put even more pressure on existing guys.
Rasheed Bailey signed with the Argos. >:(
Good for Bailey! I hope they give him some play there.
They will get winning culture from him for sure.
We will see who he's catching passes from this year though!
WR Bailey signed by the Argos: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/26/argos-sign-receiver-rasheed-bailey/
This makes me sad.
LB Muamba announces retirement: https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/grey-cup-champion-mvp-henoc-muamba-retires-from-cfl-1.2081151
Quote from: Horseman on February 26, 2024, 02:52:08 PMRasheed Bailey signed with the Argos. >:(
thats 4 bombers the argos have signed, Bailey, Hansen, Exume and Clements
(all of which we seemed to have decided to move on from.)
Quote from: Pete on February 26, 2024, 06:24:47 PMthats 4 bombers the argos have signed, Bailey, Hansen, Exume and Clements
(all of which we seemed to have decided to move on from.)
...the Bombers couldn't afford to retain.
Something these players had in common was that they weren't going to progress much further than the level they were at.
We're probably better bringing in some new blood
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 26, 2024, 06:30:48 PM...the Bombers couldn't afford to retain.
I don't know if I'd make that argument for all of them.
Quote from: Jesse on February 26, 2024, 08:14:27 PMI don't know if I'd make that argument for all of them.
It's just speculation on my part, to be clear.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 26, 2024, 03:00:17 PMLB Muamba announces retirement: https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/grey-cup-champion-mvp-henoc-muamba-retires-from-cfl-1.2081151
A great career, one of the best
https://3downnation.com/2024/02/26/former-first-overall-pick-grey-cup-mvp-henoc-muamba-retires-from-cfl/
Riders sign former NFL receiver Keesan Johnson.
Quote from: Horseman on February 29, 2024, 06:45:15 PMRiders sign former NFL receiver Keesan Johnson.
Not to be confused with Keyshawn Johnson...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 29, 2024, 06:48:30 PMNot to be confused with Keyshawn Johnson...
maybe I am confused, I knew the name sounded familiar, thanks for the clarification Ards.
Former Bomber QB Pigrome released by Redblacks.
https://3downnation.com/2024/03/02/ottawa-redblacks-release-quarterback-tyrrell-pigrome/
Quote from: VictorRomano on March 02, 2024, 02:32:01 PMFormer Bomber QB Pigrome released by Redblacks.
https://3downnation.com/2024/03/02/ottawa-redblacks-release-quarterback-tyrrell-pigrome/
I guess Dru didn't want his showing him up in preseason again...
Just kidding.
Maybe Masoli is closer to playing...
Quote from: VictorRomano on March 02, 2024, 02:32:01 PMFormer Bomber QB Pigrome released by Redblacks.
https://3downnation.com/2024/03/02/ottawa-redblacks-release-quarterback-tyrrell-pigrome/
Still cheering for Piggie, hopefully someone will pick him up as a 3rd string QB, as he'll still be on an ELC contract competing with unknown rookies.
Quote from: VictorRomano on March 02, 2024, 02:32:01 PMFormer Bomber QB Pigrome released by Redblacks.
https://3downnation.com/2024/03/02/ottawa-redblacks-release-quarterback-tyrrell-pigrome/
Zero surprise there. When the red blacks cut you, you're done.
Quote from: dd on March 02, 2024, 05:39:57 PMZero surprise there. When the red blacks cut you, you're done.
I don't know. I think it was more of OTT really not needing a guy like that on the roster now that they've signed Dru. (And is Caleb still there?)
Piggy's a bit of an enigma. He seemed to be the most promising of all the rookies that year yet he lost his job here basically on snap #1. I'm thinking there's got to be more to it than just blowing 2 sneaks. There
must be something attitude-wise to be blown out of the Bombers that fast... the whole FIFO thing, or not fitting in with the ethic MOS wants to see. I have absolutely nothing to base that on, though, it's just a matter of answering the unanswered questions.
But he may still fit somewhere else. We'll see what the 2024 crop of rookie QBs look like. If no one shines like he did in PS, then Piggy may get another chance at 3rd/dev slot somewhere (likely not here... but you never know).
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 03, 2024, 04:37:41 AMI don't know. I think it was more of OTT really not needing a guy like that on the roster now that they've signed Dru. (And is Caleb still there?)
Piggy's a bit of an enigma. He seemed to be the most promising of all the rookies that year yet he lost his job here basically on snap #1. I'm thinking there's got to be more to it than just blowing 2 sneaks. There must be something attitude-wise to be blown out of the Bombers that fast... the whole FIFO thing, or not fitting in with the ethic MOS wants to see. I have absolutely nothing to base that on, though, it's just a matter of answering the unanswered questions.
But he may still fit somewhere else. We'll see what the 2024 crop of rookie QBs look like. If no one shines like he did in PS, then Piggy may get another chance at 3rd/dev slot somewhere (likely not here... but you never know).
Related events, Pigrome was cut when they announced Prukop agreed to sign. He came back cheap, fit in well with the guys in the QB room, already knew the playbook and was effective in his role. With Pigrome the entire season would have been a learning experience to see if he fit in as well as Prukop. They chose the "Easy Button" in this case.
Looks like free agency is pretty much over, all teams have spent their budget and a lot of veteran players have been left out in the cold. There may be a few random signings as teams get closer to training camp and discover players coming off injury won't be ready to go, or choose to retire instead of train. Hopefully the Bombers can get Grant inked, but not expecting much more to happen.
It looks like CFL.ca has not been updating their F.A. list recently, so it's hard to say who exactly is still available.
Ya, CFL FA24 page is been slow on the updates for weeks.
Yes, we've entered the FA phase where the guys who want to play but are on the couch start looking at lowball offers. Especially the aging guys. If a team has kept some powder dry they can score some great deals on some older gambles.
As for Janarion, I have this feeling we'll sign him still. I have no idea what they are all waiting for. He won't go for ELC, as I'm sure other teams would happily pay that and more. But clearly no one wants to pay his ask, which might be somewhat hefty. Whatever Alford got might be a hint as to Grant's $$, assuming SSK didn't way overpay again.
I'm on the fence on Janarion. I think if we can get him close to minimum it's probably a good move but much more and I'm thinking hard. He's an exceptional return guy and if we had larger rosters he'd be a slam dunk must sign, but we don't and he offers very little else. That tradeoff is manageable at a low SMS hit but it makes way less sense if he comes at a premium. Additionally, durability is an issue and he's 30, which isn't old, but returners probably have the biggest cliff at the youngest age. I think I'd probably roll the dice on going younger in that spot with someone new and hoping they can develop into a realistic backup receiver/defensive back.
Love what Grant brings to the game, but he's one of those guys that misses a lot of games. Returners are not the hardest player to find, and even easier to slot in quick. We have a lot of potential returners on the roster currently, and the key is to see how they handle the wider, longer field, and the halo.
If Holm is in fact back, he's been a good returner in the past.
If Grant is 100% and ready to go, he will get a contract, either here, or somewhere else. But at this time, it really looks like it teams are going to sign a veteran player, they wanting to invest in players that are durable.
Grant is the best in the league and has been for the past few years. Finding a replacement is easy but finding someone who can produce like him is next to impossible.
Quote from: LXTSN on March 05, 2024, 03:46:01 PMGrant is the best in the league and has been for the past few years. Finding a replacement is easy but finding someone who can produce like him is next to impossible.
Grant was 9th in a 9 team league last year. Even if you project for a full season, he didn't lead in any category.
When he is on, he's dynamite.
The issue is, are we signing the 2022 Grant who was there 16 games and made plays, or the 2023 Grant who was there 8 games and had a play.
What have you done for me lately...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 05, 2024, 04:00:07 PMGrant was 9th in a 9 team league last year. Even if you project for a full season, he didn't lead in any category.
When he is on, he's dynamite.
The issue is, are we signing the 2022 Grant who was there 16 games and made plays, or the 2023 Grant who was there 8 games and had a play.
What have you done for me lately...
That should be reflected in the new contract he's being offered.
The team certainly shouldn't blow the bank on an aging return specialist but I'd still prefer to have him on the roster than not. He was still the best returner despite the time missed and I'm not sure that the scouting team has uncovered a superior option.
I still can't help but wonder how his 2023 campaign would've gone had he not been forced to play offense and get injured. That was just bad gameday roster management, IMO.
No replacement we've put in for Grant has been anything close and at times has actively hurt us.
It has not been as easy position for us to find.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on March 05, 2024, 04:06:53 PMThat should be reflected in the new contract he's being offered.
The team certainly shouldn't blow the bank on an aging return specialist but I'd still prefer to have him on the roster than not. He was still the best returner despite the time missed and I'm not sure that the scouting team has uncovered a superior option.
I still can't help but wonder how his 2023 campaign would've gone had he not been forced to play offense and get injured. That was just bad gameday roster management, IMO.
Forced to play offense? Not a lot of "returns only" specialists out there. Grant had 6 offensive touches, Alford had 2, Leake had 12...
He was far from the best returner (when he played) last year. He was in 2022. And he was good in 2021.
We were so fortunate to have signed him away from.. oh wait.. he was a scouting find. As have been so many of the great returners in the league. SSK has horrible recruiting and had to pay Alford.
I have no issue with our scouts finding the next Grant and it costing us ELC money.
Quote from: Jesse on March 05, 2024, 04:46:18 PMNo replacement we've put in for Grant has been anything close and at times has actively hurt us.
It has not been as easy position for us to find.
We found Grant... so by definition, the times Grant was in the lineup were games where the guy we "found" helped us...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 05, 2024, 04:56:44 PMForced to play offense? Not a lot of "returns only" specialists out there. Grant had 6 offensive touches, Alford had 2, Leake had 12...
He was far from the best returner (when he played) last year. He was in 2022. And he was good in 2021.
We were so fortunate to have signed him away from.. oh wait.. he was a scouting find. As have been so many of the great returners in the league. SSK has horrible recruiting and had to pay Alford.
I have no issue with our scouts finding the next Grant and it costing us ELC money.
He was the best returner on this team's roster last season. He was put on offense needlessly and got hurt, which further hindered an already shaky special teams unit while he was absent.
Who cares how he was found? And it's not like the scouts have found his replacement yet, anyway.
I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here. If Grant can be retained for a reasonable salary, it seems like a no brainer considering the alternative.
I m thinking Walters has made his offer to him and he's waiting to see if he can get bigger $$ elsewhere, which he won't. So he'll sign here again and do our return duties
Quote from: dd on March 05, 2024, 05:31:50 PMI m thinking Walters has made his offer to him and he's waiting to see if he can get bigger $$ elsewhere, which he won't. So he'll sign here again and do our return duties
I'm not sure that's the case, unless Grant has some proof that he will be more durable this year. No doubt that he is a great returner, but we have shown that we are not signing players with injury history this year. From Jefferson to Hansen, many players not re-signed have injury history.
The best ability is availability? The next, durability?
Whether Grant is signed or not, there will be stiff competition in TC at the return position. Even if he is signed, he might not play much in the preseason... save him for live snaps/
Quote from: theaardvark on March 05, 2024, 06:18:16 PMI'm not sure that's the case, unless Grant has some proof that he will be more durable this year. No doubt that he is a great returner, but we have shown that we are not signing players with injury history this year. From Jefferson to Hansen, many players not re-signed have injury history.
The best ability is availability? The next, durability?
Whether Grant is signed or not, there will be stiff competition in TC at the return position. Even if he is signed, he might not play much in the preseason... save him for live snaps/
Durability is always an issue with returners as they get smashed at high speed by multiple tacklers multiple times each game. You're asking him to show proof he won't get injured???
Jose Borregales, splendido.
Dont forget about this guy:
I am hopeful we can re-sign Grant, but if not, the next Grant, Alford or Leake is just around the corner. Scouts found those guys, scouts will find their heir apparent if things can't be worked out
He probably has a more incentive laden contract on the table if there is one. Based on games played and so on I would expect with the injury woes of last year. When Janarion is on though, his is Kid Dynomite!! :)
You have to wonder how much the CFL pay structure factors into the "Play or don't play" decisions for some veteran players.
TC contracts usually have no guaranteed money. Not sure if they get paid even a stipend as they battle to make the team. Game cheques don't start until games start.
So, for a chance to make the roster and get an ELC or slightly better contract, most likely less than $100K CAN ($74kUS), they have to uproot their lives for over a month, work their arses off, and end up with an apple and a roadmap afterwards.
We have seen many retirements of this nature, and many players not returning after ELC's.
There are players that play USFL or Arena to get another chance at the show, the CFL is actually a better showcase for that, but its all the way in Canada. Some will play any level of organized ball just for the sheer enjoyment of playing, and for some, the alternative is flipping burgers, so anything would be better, even min wage in Canada.
Players don't always accept a contract that would be considered appropriate for their position and skill level because they have other better options, and while playing a game is fun, it is also dangerous, and even the CFL doesn't have the best health care plans should a career go sideways.
Larry Dean has retired and joined the Riders coaching staff.
https://www.riderville.com/2024/03/07/four-time-all-star-larry-dean-announces-his-retirement/
Wow, a bit surprised by this. He had a very good year last year, guess he wants to retire on a high note vs hang on and play at a lesser level. Riders defense just took a hit as he was definitely a gamer out there.
Quote from: dd on March 07, 2024, 05:28:01 PMWow, a bit surprised by this. He had a very good year last year, guess he wants to retire on a high note vs hang on and play at a lesser level. Riders defense just took a hit as he was definitely a gamer out there.
I'm not. He has an NFL pension and he'll be 36 in August. He came back from the torn ACL and probably is happy to go into retirement without another major rehab.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on March 07, 2024, 05:43:35 PMI'm not. He has an NFL pension and he'll be 36 in August. He came back from the torn ACL and probably is happy to go into retirement without another major rehab.
True enough. My point was he was still playing at a very high level—-I believe he was the riders defensive mvp last year and had not lost a step like our mlb. Good on him to retire on top
Quote from: theaardvark on March 05, 2024, 03:43:39 PMReturners are not the hardest player to find, and even easier to slot in quick. We have a lot of potential returners on the roster currently, and the key is to see how they handle the wider, longer field, and the halo.
Like it worked out so well finding Grant replacements in 2023??
Quote from: Jesse on March 05, 2024, 04:46:18 PMNo replacement we've put in for Grant has been anything close and at times has actively hurt us.
It has not been as easy position for us to find.
Jesse's right. We've stunk at finding star returners in the last decade. The only gems were Grant and Lucky, both in the same year so we had to let one walk in FA. Before that the best I can remember was Fogg, who was OK and had his moments. The others are clearly unmemorable, otherwise I'd remember them.
Maybe returner is the hardest spot to scout for, because no one knows if they'll be good, not even the players, because it's such a weird skill set, and very different USA->Canada. You literally have to put them out there in live games and see what happens. It's not just speed...
Quote from: theaardvark on March 05, 2024, 03:43:39 PMIf Holm is in fact back, he's been a good returner in the past.
If Holm is back (looking like it) then you 100% don't waste him @ returner: he's needed on D. You don't want your 1st or 2nd best DB pasted on returns and then can't play D for weeks... You need someone "expendable", and pure returners, or backups are just that.
Not a chance Holm does returns, he's our best DB and has to stay on the field vs gas out and risk injury returning kicks and punts.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 08, 2024, 12:24:26 AMIf Holm is back (looking like it) then you 100% don't waste him @ returner: he's needed on D. You don't want your 1st or 2nd best DB pasted on returns and then can't play D for weeks... You need someone "expendable", and pure returners, or backups are just that.
Holm is under contract in 2024.
Quote from: ModAdmin on March 08, 2024, 04:40:26 AMHolm is under contract in 2024.
Yes, but the general worry was that he was NFL-bound, and no one has really said this is resolved. However, some have indicated the NFL window is closed with no offers, so I'm thinking we're probably safe with Holm now.
We're still smarting from the Alford incident... we never did get the 2nd year of ELC out of him, as he fled south and (actually) stuck. The moral of the story is scout very very good players, but not the best. I still have no idea how Ento isn't getting NFL looks... he is as good as Alford and Holm.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 08, 2024, 07:25:39 PMYes, but the general worry was that he was NFL-bound, and no one has really said this is resolved. However, some have indicated the NFL window is closed with no offers, so I'm thinking we're probably safe with Holm now.
We're still smarting from the Alford incident... we never did get the 2nd year of ELC out of him, as he fled south and (actually) stuck. The moral of the story is scout very very good players, but not the best. I still have no idea how Ento isn't getting NFL looks... he is as good as Alford and Holm.
I believe the NFL window closes after CFL Free Agency begins by my reading of this article:
https://3downnation.com/2021/12/23/detailing-how-the-cfls-new-nfl-window-works/#google_vignette
Looks like Lucky Whitehead may have reached the end of his career with the Lions. Will he end up elsewhere in the CFL?
https://3downnation.com/2024/04/07/thats-not-part-of-the-plan-b-c-lions-do-not-anticipate-re-signing-fan-favourite-lucky-whitehead/
Quote from: ModAdmin on April 08, 2024, 06:24:25 AMLooks like Lucky Whitehead may have reached the end of his career with the Lions. Will he end up elsewhere in the CFL?
https://3downnation.com/2024/04/07/thats-not-part-of-the-plan-b-c-lions-do-not-anticipate-re-signing-fan-favourite-lucky-whitehead/
He's had time to sign elsewhere as a free agent. It was clear before the beginning of free agency that the Lions would be moving in a new direction. SMS, age and succession with younger less expensive players.
Lucky could still be productive elsewhere but all of those things work against him. I wish him well and thank him for his time in Winnipeg and with the Lions. He was fun to watch.
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 08, 2024, 01:04:30 PMHe's had time to sign elsewhere as a free agent. It was clear before the beginning of free agency that the Lions would be moving in a new direction. SMS, age and succession with younger less expensive players.
Lucky could still be productive elsewhere but all of those things work against him. I wish him well and thank him for his time in Winnipeg and with the Lions. He was fun to watch.
Lucky was making around $200k for his services the last 2 seasons, it's going to be a hard fall for him salary wise if he wants to continue his CFL career. Re-signing Grant would be a much cheaper option, hopefully it still happens.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 08, 2024, 04:02:55 PMLucky was making around $200k for his services the last 2 seasons, it's going to be a hard fall for him salary wise if he wants to continue his CFL career. Re-signing Grant would be a much cheaper option, hopefully it still happens.
I wasn't suggesting signing Whitehead. No idea what Grant is looking for financially or if he even intends to play in 2024.
Bombers have signed a number of receivers and DB's that could be capable of doing returns. OTOH, some return K/O's and some return punts. Only a few can do both. Whether any of the rookies can win a spot as a DI that can back up as either a DB or receiver is a TBD.
I'd be happy to get Grant back but he might be pricing himself out of the market. I say that due to the fact he hasn't signed anywhere yet??
We also don't know whether the team has allocated funds and made him an offer.
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 08, 2024, 04:35:36 PMI wasn't suggesting signing Whitehead. No idea what Grant is looking for financially or if he even intends to play in 2024.
Bombers have signed a number of receivers and DB's that could be capable of doing returns. OTOH, some return K/O's and some return punts. Only a few can do both. Whether any of the rookies can win a spot as a DI that can back up as either a DB or receiver is a TBD.
I'd be happy to get Grant back but he might be pricing himself out of the market. I say that due to the fact he hasn't signed anywhere yet??
We also don't know whether the team has allocated funds and made him an offer.
Walters has confirmed that they have an offer out to Grant and funds allocated.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 08, 2024, 04:02:55 PMLucky was making around $200k for his services the last 2 seasons, it's going to be a hard fall for him salary wise if he wants to continue his CFL career. Re-signing Grant would be a much cheaper option, hopefully it still happens.
I believe they renegotiated lucky's salary ly to around 145, likely he would have to take even less now. He seems to have an affinity to wpg so that might help
The question is how positively do we assess the potential recruits if grant doesn't resign
Quote from: Jesse on April 08, 2024, 04:38:07 PMWalters has confirmed that they have an offer out to Grant and funds allocated.
That's good to know but doesn't quite answer why he hasn't re-signed. He's usually one of the last to re-sign each year and it may be as simple as that.
If he doesn't re-sign I wonder if there is somewhere else to " spend " allocated money. Obviously there will need to be another player added as a returner but there will some additional cash over an ELC deal.
Just random numbers as an example but if they offered $120K, that's about $50K over an ELC.
Quote from: Pete on April 08, 2024, 04:50:06 PMI believe they renegotiated lucky's salary ly to around 145, likely he would have to take even less now. He seems to have an affinity to wpg so that might help
The question is how positively do we assess the potential recruits if grant doesn't resign
Trial and error in game action, I don't think there's any other way to assess a returners true ability.
Love what Lucky brings off the field, but his flashes of brilliance on the field are overshadowed by the oopsies he seems to make with those little arms. I can't see him as even a backup REC option on our roster, so it would have to be a returned only DI position, so I don't think Walters would make that offer, unless again if Lucky just wants to play, regardless pay....
The season we got both Lucky and Grant. one could have been forgiven for thinking Lucky was the better keep, and there were possibly raised eyebrows when we let Lucky walk so easily/quickly. Grant looked like the better returner, but not by much, and Lucky also really shined on O... Remember the Nichols-shrug hitch screen TD for like 45Y? Lucky.
Normally you keep the dual-threat. But once again KW/MOS were the wise ones as Lucky's receiving rapidly went downhill after his departure, and he got pulled from doing returns. He never had good hands. Which is too bad, as he could have been the next Speedy B.
Grant went on to produce amazing returns for us over all subsequent seasons, including his best return eva in 2023.
Quote from: Blue In BC on April 08, 2024, 05:07:36 PMThat's good to know but doesn't quite answer why he hasn't re-signed. He's usually one of the last to re-sign each year and it may be as simple as that.
If he doesn't re-sign I wonder if there is somewhere else to " spend " allocated money. Obviously there will need to be another player added as a returner but there will some additional cash over an ELC deal.
Just random numbers as an example but if they offered $120K, that's about $50K over an ELC.
I'm guessing he was asked to take a pay cut and teams are still unsure whether or not returners will be devalued by rule changes.
Lucky is yesterdays news ....I hope Grant reups and we can stop worrying about that position...We have brought in a few speedsters as a 'just in case' and it'll be interesting to see what they bring in tc....BUT there's nothing like experience and that's what Grant brings...I hope he comes around and signs
Quote from: blueraid on April 09, 2024, 03:45:48 PMLucky is yesterdays news ....I hope Grant reups and we can stop worrying about that position...We have brought in a few speedsters as a 'just in case' and it'll be interesting to see what they bring in tc....BUT there's nothing like experience and that's what Grant brings...I hope he comes around and signs
I always worried about the position when Grant WAS here... the TD returns were great, but most of the time he was just OK, and he never played a full season, only 8 games last year.
Lucky missed a lot of games as well.
I think we enter the season with a new KR/PR Di on the roster that either backs up at DB or WR, and one or 2 on the PR/IR. And I think we will have a few options on the AR who are either backups or starters that can slot in when necessary. I'd really love to see the next Holm stealing reps at PR/KR in TC to nail down his spot on the roster.
Maybe we see Tyrell Ford take the spot. He's going to be on the roster, whether he starts or not is a question, but he could easily make the AR by holding down the KR/PR spot and backing up at CB.
From his Wiki page:
University career
Ford played U Sports football for the Waterloo Warriors from 2017 to 2021. Over four seasons, he played in 30 games where he had 94 total tackles, six sacks, 20 pass knockdowns, and six interceptions, including one returned for a touchdown. He was also a kick returner for the team where he had 40 kick returns for 733 yards and 82 punt returns for 1,139 yards and three touchdowns.
With Grant it comes down to can he stay healthy. He's only 5'9" and 157 lbs. He has only played 41 games over 4 years. He averages 8 yards receiving, and 8.9 rushing. He has one TD return on KRs and averages 24 yards per return. PR is were he does his damage. 7 PR for TDs, and a 12.88 avg.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 09, 2024, 09:05:45 AMThe season we got both Lucky and Grant. one could have been forgiven for thinking Lucky was the better keep, and there were possibly raised eyebrows when we let Lucky walk so easily/quickly. Grant looked like the better returner, but not by much, and Lucky also really shined on O... Remember the Nichols-shrug hitch screen TD for like 45Y? Lucky.
Normally you keep the dual-threat. But once again KW/MOS were the wise ones as Lucky's receiving rapidly went downhill after his departure, and he got pulled from doing returns. He never had good hands. Which is too bad, as he could have been the next Speedy B.
Grant went on to produce amazing returns for us over all subsequent seasons, including his best return eva in 2023.
Lucky actually lost his starting receiver job to Bailey after losing the return job to Grant. Although small, apparently Grant is super strong and lifts weights with the D-linemen.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 09, 2024, 05:29:45 PMLucky actually lost his starting receiver job to Bailey after losing the return job to Grant.
In a manner of speaking, sure. Whitehead was injured (https://www.cfl.ca/2019/09/06/whitehead-miss-banjo-bowl-injury/) in the LDC in 2019 and missed the next two games.
IIRC, Grant and Whitehead shared return duties for much of the 2019 season. I don't think the latter lost his starting role in that capacity.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on April 09, 2024, 05:40:06 PMIIRC, Grant and Whitehead shared return duties for much of the 2019 season. I don't think the latter lost his starting role in that capacity.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on April 09, 2024, 05:29:45 PMLucky actually lost his starting receiver job to Bailey after losing the return job to Grant. Although small, apparently Grant is super strong and lifts weights with the D-linemen.
That's a good point. Bailey being a really good grinder and blocker with decent hands probably was the nail in Lucky's blue & gold coffin.
It's important to note that Lucky didn't lose anything in-season, it was in FA we let him walk, after careful consideration of the team's needs. It is really hard to justify dressing, let alone starting, 2 Speedy-B types, especially in our grind'em scheme.
We did bounce back and forth between Lucky/Grant in-season, whether due to injury or water-testing. I think we were doing thorough try-outs knowing we had to give up one in FA.
From memory, I think we had Lucky on ELC and he was not FA and we just outright released him? Why don't we ever make strategic plays like other teams seem to (looking at you TOR) and re-sign him with the sole purpose of trading him for some high DPs?? We knew he was coveted, but we just let him walk for free to BC.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 09, 2024, 09:57:12 PMFrom memory, I think we had Lucky on ELC and he was not FA and we just outright released him?
I think the 2020 cancelled season really muddied the waters and IIRC, he became a free agent in Feb. 2021 and the Bombers were not able to match what the Lions offered.
Shawn Lemon retires...
https://3downnation.com/2024/04/10/going-out-a-champion-dl-shawn-lemon-retires-from-cfl/
Quote from: ModAdmin on April 10, 2024, 04:01:31 PMShawn Lemon retires...
Smart move. He had a great run. He did get that 100th sack near the end of the season, right?
He's a nice dude and all, but I'll always partly hate him for destroying Matt Nichols' career with the Lemonation in the middle of 2019. (I think that was Bryant's whiff, too... grrrrumble...) His arm never recovered. What could have been for Matty Ice had he been healthy for all of '19...
On the other hand, if you love Zach and had no faith in Matty, go buy Lemon some hard lemonade, because he's the reason for it all!
8) 8) :o :o
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 11, 2024, 07:10:05 AMOn the other hand, if you love Zach and had no faith in Matty, go buy Lemon some hard lemonade, because he's the reason for it all!
8) 8) :o :o
I'm buying a round for Simoni Lawrence and Darian Durant too.
Simoni hit Zach with a filthy head shot in game 1 of 2019 when he played in his last game with the Riders. Sask could clearly see that was a career ending injury and dealt him to Toronto in September.
Durant took a $70,000 signing bonus from the Bombers and retired just before training camp in 2018, leaving the Bombers #2 QB position up for grabs. If Durant actually showed up Chris Streveler may have never seen the field.
https://3downnation.com/2024/04/18/ottawa-redblacks-rb-devonte-williams-suffers-torn-achilles/
Quote from: Blueforlife on April 18, 2024, 07:13:02 PMhttps://3downnation.com/2024/04/18/ottawa-redblacks-rb-devonte-williams-suffers-torn-achilles/
Bit early for achilles injures... that's some bad luck. I wish him well. OTT just can't catch a break, eh? Time for them to go couch hunting.
https://3downnation.com/2024/04/27/toronto-argonauts-db-qwantez-stiggers-selected-by-new-york-jets-in-fifth-round-of-2024-nfl-draft/
Proud of him. Talented played.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 19, 2024, 04:43:41 AMBit early for achilles injures... that's some bad luck. I wish him well. OTT just can't catch a break, eh? Time for them to go couch hunting.
Ott seems to like our former players, Greg McCrae is still out there, right?
Quote from: BomberFan73 on April 29, 2024, 12:38:57 PMOtt seems to like our former players, Greg McCrae is still out there, right?
I don't recall McCrae getting picked up by anyone... I'm pretty sure he's couch-sitting right now. If nothing sparks at WR in TC we could do worse than bring him back. I have a feeling that if any team gets the injury bug they'll have his number on the short list.
I just watched the '23 CGY game where he got the super TD and FG return. He's a decent, not great, dual threat. More than capable as the 5th target, and can fill in if your RB gets injured.
Quote from: Blueforlife on April 29, 2024, 02:27:31 AMhttps://3downnation.com/2024/04/27/toronto-argonauts-db-qwantez-stiggers-selected-by-new-york-jets-in-fifth-round-of-2024-nfl-draft/
Proud of him. Talented played.
Chance for Ottawa to upsize their running back, go from 185 lbs. to 225 lbs. like most other teams are doing.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on April 30, 2024, 02:43:30 AMI don't recall McCrae getting picked up by anyone... I'm pretty sure he's couch-sitting right now. If nothing sparks at WR in TC we could do worse than bring him back. I have a feeling that if any team gets the injury bug they'll have his number on the short list.
I just watched the '23 CGY game where he got the super TD and FG return. He's a decent, not great, dual threat. More than capable as the 5th target, and can fill in if your RB gets injured.
Technically we don't know whether McCrae decided to move on from football. He could have been signed by anybody to compete in TC.
I don't think he's an in season signing. Every team has a dozen or more rookie receivers and several will be retained on their PR's.
Essentially if you aren't moving up a teams depth chart, you're moving out IMO.
WR Arceneaux retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/05/07/emmanuel-arceneaux-announces-retirement-after-14-year-pro-career/
Pretty impressive career.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 08, 2024, 06:28:08 PMWR Arceneaux retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/05/07/emmanuel-arceneaux-announces-retirement-after-14-year-pro-career/
Pretty impressive career.
My guess is future HoFer. Manny show dance.
DL Laurent retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/05/12/two-time-cfl-all-star-ted-laurent-announces-retirement/
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on May 13, 2024, 02:21:03 PMDL Laurent retires: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/05/12/two-time-cfl-all-star-ted-laurent-announces-retirement/
Possibly another HoFer? He's 36(!!). He sure gave HAM a ratio-buster at DT for his 7 years. I hope HAM gives him a good send-off at a game this year.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on May 08, 2024, 09:35:34 PMMy guess is future HoFer. Manny show dance.
Manny should have hung it up many years ago. I think Sask picked him up off the scrap heap when the Lions never resigned him some years go. Brought him in for a veteran presence I guess.