Thread for announcing/discussing Blue Bomber 2024 Free Agency news and views beginning on Feb. 13, 2024 at noon ET.
Watch the Free Agency Special on the Huddle at 3:00 pm CT...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE96xBYx9qQ
Ed Tait's Free Agency Preview on the Blue Bombers...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/02/12/free-agency-preview-2/
Veteran Canadian linebacker Jesse Briggs has retired, according to the Bombers' Ed Tait.
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Don't think anything's happening today for us. That's okay
With the tampering period, there's no free agent frenzy anymore. Is that a good or bad thing? For us, bad, I think. Our front office seemed to dine out on FA day, making splashes and value signings.
I think, with the $SMS and the success of our scouting/coaching, FA season is always going to be a heartbreak for us.
I still want to see a "continuity clause" added into the CBA, where there is a small non-$SMS pool of funds each team is allowed to spend to retain players. For players coming off ELC's or having 3 years service with a team, the team should be able to sweeten their deals with a little extra non-$SMS money.
And guys finishing ELC's should have an RFA type ability to match, which is easy now with the tampering period. Tampering period contracts should be like NHL "offer sheets", where the team can choose to match, or if they choose not to, depending on the contract size and National/American/Global status, a draft pick comes back.
crickets....
I hope we have some irons in the fire.
Test. Is this thread locked?
Well, on the bad news front Bombers lost Thiadric Hansen, on the good news front they haven't lost anyone else....yet.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 14, 2024, 12:24:50 AMWell, on the bad news front Bombers lost Thiadric Hansen, on the good news front they haven't lost anyone else....yet.
That's rough
With Walker not signing in Calgary, I hope he is signing here.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 14, 2024, 03:08:56 AMWith Walker not signing in Calgary, I hope he is signing here.
The report suggested he's not signing with any CFL team right now. Made it seem like something off the field happened that is keeping him from playing football.
Regardless, I don't think he's in our budget. We've all seen us let our DTs walk multiple times.
QuoteAdditions/Re-Signings:
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Perhaps Walters/O'Shea are too enamored with our own players that we fail to take chances to improve the team .That we didn't try to sign a fullback, didn't move on from Thomas, and the amount we spent to keep our own free agents are indicators
Quote from: Pete on February 14, 2024, 03:13:01 PMPerhaps Walters/O'Shea are too enamored with our own players that we fail to take chances to improve the team .That we didn't try to sign a fullback, didn't move on from Thomas, and the amount we spent to keep our own free agents are indicators
I think that may be part of the problem, you can only try running it back so many times. I don't have really any issues with the re-signings made, but last seasons team had holes and so far none of those holes have been properly filled
I'm still baffled that Castillo hasn't been re-signed.
Quote from: Pete on February 14, 2024, 03:13:01 PMPerhaps Walters/O'Shea are too enamored with our own players that we fail to take chances to improve the team .That we didn't try to sign a fullback, didn't move on from Thomas, and the amount we spent to keep our own free agents are indicators
There is no doubt that we are enamored with the players that have gotten us to FOUR STRAIGHT GREY CUPS, and have done our best to retain as many as possible.
Any signing of an available non-Bomber FA would come at the sacrifice of one or more Bomber FA's. As it is, we have lost some key pieces simply because of budget. No way we could compete for FA's that would "improve" our team.
We will, once again, lose players to FA and NFL, and replace them with drafting,scouting and coaching. Not participating in the FA market is not a sign of not being interested in improving, but rather a sign that our front office is wisely avoiding the easy way out that some teams use to "buy" a team, but rather work on scouting and developing and creating players that other teams covet and overpay to have them come aboard.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2024, 03:31:41 PMI'm still baffled that Castillo hasn't been re-signed.
We have no idea the ask/offer for Castillo, but the fact he hasn't even been rumoured to be signing elsewhere is a good sign. We might see a change at that position if the two sides cannot come to terms, its not like we haven't drafted/developed a P/K before. And we already have some coming into camp, have 10 draft picks and there is also the global draft... so I'm not worried. Ether Castillo fits in the budget, or we save some money on a rookie.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 14, 2024, 03:41:53 PMThere is no doubt that we are enamored with the players that have gotten us to FOUR STRAIGHT GREY CUPS, and have done our best to retain as many as possible.
Any signing of an available non-Bomber FA would come at the sacrifice of one or more Bomber FA's. As it is, we have lost some key pieces simply because of budget. No way we could compete for FA's that would "improve" our team.
We will, once again, lose players to FA and NFL, and replace them with drafting,scouting and coaching. Not participating in the FA market is not a sign of not being interested in improving, but rather a sign that our front office is wisely avoiding the easy way out that some teams use to "buy" a team, but rather work on scouting and developing and creating players that other teams covet and overpay to have them come aboard.
I agree that we want to maintain the consistency. but I don't want to fall into the trap the stamps did at the end of their run. They too were known for not signing anyone else's free agents then bagan the spiral. For us,, both last year and this year we needed to make a few targeted acquisitions to improve our team (fix holes as stated earlier) or mitigate the losses that occur to free agency.
A few other top teams from ly have done just that
bc loses Betts signs Robertson, recognizes they had a run/pass imbalance so they let rhymes go and signs stanback
toronto loses hendricks makes a trade to get ceresna, loses Peters and signs Adeleke, Loses Oullette signs Carey.
Both Hardrcik and Jeffcoat fall into the categories of being hard to recruit a player that can step right in and be effective.
there are still a few players we can sign hopefully we react
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2024, 03:31:41 PMI'm still baffled that Castillo hasn't been re-signed.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 14, 2024, 03:44:46 PMWe have no idea the ask/offer for Castillo, but the fact he hasn't even been rumoured to be signing elsewhere is a good sign. We might see a change at that position if the two sides cannot come to terms, its not like we haven't drafted/developed a P/K before. And we already have some coming into camp, have 10 draft picks and there is also the global draft... so I'm not worried. Ether Castillo fits in the budget, or we save some money on a rookie.
That's crazy talk, O'Shea wouldn't stand for it. The entire organization knows how important the FG kicker is to the teams win/ loss record. Second most important player next to the QB, the only other player that can immediately turn a loss into a win or vice versa.
Apparently Tyrell Ford is back, according to Twitter.
https://twitter.com/DTonOB/status/1757818989382684894 (https://twitter.com/DTonOB/status/1757818989382684894)
Tyrell Ford back.
Gray, Bailey, and Rose likely gone.
Bailey will be probably the toughest to lose, as he is a big glue-guy/dirty-work type of guy for our offence.
However... it's our 4/5th look on offence so on paper it won't look like much.
Rose has been up and down, but with Ford back, I think we should be okay there.
I remember a few years ago being worried about our secondary starting 2 rookies. Those rookies were Alford and Nichols LOL. They always find the diamond in the rough when it comes to the DB's.
In my opinion Eli or Dobson in for Gray will be a net positive, but let's see!
Bombers sign former NFLer TJ Watt to a one year deal worth 200K
Quote from: peg_city on February 14, 2024, 05:02:37 PMBombers sign former NFLer TJ Watt to a one year deal worth 200K
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Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 14, 2024, 03:31:41 PMI'm still baffled that Castillo hasn't been re-signed.
He will be. They're just still haggling.
Quote from: Jesse on February 14, 2024, 05:18:27 PMHe will be. They're just still haggling.
where did you read that?
Quote from: Pete on February 14, 2024, 03:13:01 PMPerhaps Walters/O'Shea are too enamored with our own players that we fail to take chances to improve the team .That we didn't try to sign a fullback, didn't move on from Thomas, and the amount we spent to keep our own free agents are indicators
We have a FB, DJ48 and MOS loves him. He can also play DE.
Really like that Ford is back.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 14, 2024, 05:57:49 PMWe have a FB, DJ48 and MOS loves him. He can also play DE.
Unless he can actually play DE, using a DI spot on him isn't great roster management. Fullback is a traditionally canadian position and considering f his limitations as a rusher, receiver and pass rusher, using a DI spot on him isn't the best
Quote from: peg_city on February 14, 2024, 05:02:37 PMBombers sign former NFLer TJ Watt to a one year deal worth 200K
Dream on.
Quote from: LXTSN on February 14, 2024, 04:48:34 PMBailey will be probably the toughest to lose, as he is a big glue-guy/dirty-work type of guy for our offence.
However... it's our 4/5th look on offence so on paper it won't look like much.
Rose has been up and down, but with Ford back, I think we should be okay there.
I remember a few years ago being worried about our secondary starting 2 rookies. Those rookies were Alford and Nichols LOL. They always find the diamond in the rough when it comes to the DB's.
In my opinion Eli or Dobson in for Gray will be a net positive, but let's see!
I would have preferred they re-sign Gray and let Kola go.
I don't think FB is our biggest concern. If he can block and play ST then we should be fine.
Our ratio should look really good with Ford coming back home! There is a really good chance we start 9 Canadians.
I think our biggest gaps are
1. RT (Hardrick)
2. DE (Jeffcoat)
3. DB (Holm if he leaves)
4. DT (Walker)
5. WR (Bailey)
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 14, 2024, 06:16:52 PMI would have preferred they re-sign Gray and let Kola go.
He would be a really nice 6th OL for run plays because of his mobility, but I don't think he'd want to move away from starting.
Gray has the physical tools to be great, but just not the skills. He improved over the year, but he seems to miss blocks at a higher rate than the other guys by a good chunk.
Kola is our next weakest point in that OL group and I could see Eli and Dobson as our starting guards next year, but we need to build up depth.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 14, 2024, 05:55:11 PMwhere did you read that?
https://x.com/TSNDaveNaylor/status/1757612017165197321?s=20 (https://x.com/TSNDaveNaylor/status/1757612017165197321?s=20)
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On Sergio Castillo and the @Wpg_BlueBombers... one of those where there's a mutual interest to get something done ... just haven't agreed on the $. #CFL #bombers
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Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 14, 2024, 05:55:11 PMwhere did you read that?
Uhm...Jeff Hamilton I think? He's mentioned it a couple of times throughout the process.
Not Sure about the basis for all this criticism aimed at Kolankowski
Yes, Kolankowski has been pretty solid for the Bombers.
So it sounds like, Walters is working on deals for Castillo, and Grant, doesn't sound like much is going on with Gray and Walker. No $$ left.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 14, 2024, 07:01:24 PMNot Sure about the basis for all this criticism aimed at Kolankowski
Much less to justify Gray over him. That's crazy talk.
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/winnipeg-blue-bombers-feeling-pinch-after-signing-brady-oliveira-dalton-schoen-to-contracts-1.2075998
Sounds like there's very little money left in those SMS coffers, with the bulk of it likely going to Castillo and Grant.
The list of Bombers not returning is getting long. So far we have lost because of free agency or retirement
Miller
Briggs
Hanson
Exume
Jeffcoat
O Leary Orange
Clemens
Houston
Hardrick
There is still some other key free agents that are still unsigned like Grant, Castilio, Walker and Bailey. Its been a tough off season for the Bombers. Hopefully we can find some good replacements.
Sounds like Bailey may be gone.
Quote from: bwiser on February 14, 2024, 09:36:09 PMThere is still some other key free agents that are still unsigned like Grant, Castilio, Walker and Bailey. Its been a tough off season for the Bombers. Hopefully we can find some good replacements.
When you've been to 4 straight cups, your roster must be a little top heavy with talent, and re-signing them all is impossible. The best teams are going to lose players. The fact that there were two top FA's on ou team that we re-signed is amazing.
Toronto lost:
Bede
Bladek
Leake
Oulette
Peters
Pickett
Pretty big pieces to lose...
Quote from: ModAdmin on February 14, 2024, 09:48:39 PMSounds like Bailey may be gone.
You had to think once, they signed Schoen, there was no money to sign Bailey.
I can't see Bailey not getting signed elsewhere for a decent wage, more than we can afford. We could pay an ELC level contract, but he deserves much more. But who knows, if he doesn't get any offers elsewhere, he could be back...
Quote from: theaardvark on February 14, 2024, 10:35:11 PMI can't see Bailey not getting signed elsewhere for a decent wage, more than we can afford. We could pay an ELC level contract, but he deserves much more. But who knows, if he doesn't get any offers elsewhere, he could be back...
I would really be sad to see Bailey playing elsewhere. The guy bled blue and gold.
Walters said he doesn't expect to sign any CFL free agents in the coming days. In fact, the club released 31-year-old fullback Damian Jackson on Wednesday, in what could be the first of more to come in order to create some much-needed cap room.
"We just don't have any money," he said. "The spots that are available are going to be for training-camp battles for young players, for first-year players. If somebody wants to come in on a minimum contract, we might kick the tires on that."
- Free Press, Jeff Hamilton
Quote from: Waffler on February 14, 2024, 10:49:01 PMWalters said he doesn't expect to sign any CFL free agents in the coming days. In fact, the club released 31-year-old fullback Damian Jackson on Wednesday, in what could be the first of more to come in order to create some much-needed cap room.
"We just don't have any money," he said. "The spots that are available are going to be for training-camp battles for young players, for first-year players. If somebody wants to come in on a minimum contract, we might kick the tires on that."
- Free Press, Jeff Hamilton
Don't like this one bit, too many holes to fill. The cost of stacking the offence and letting the D whither.
Its too bad about no money to sign Bailey, and hopefully he catches on with another team, as he is a solid player. But really, there's only 1 ball to go around, and who do you take it away from Lawler?? Schoen?? Olivera?? who are all big $$$ signings, and then there's also Demski and Woli...that's 5 legit options for ZC. ya gotta give something up and I guess this is it
Quote from: dd on February 14, 2024, 11:29:46 PMIts too bad about no money to sign Bailey, and hopefully he catches on with another team, as he is a solid player. But really, there's only 1 ball to go around, and who do you take it away from Lawler?? Schoen?? Olivera?? who are all big $$$ signings, and then there's also Demski and Woli...that's 5 legit options for ZC. ya gotta give something up and I guess this is it
Receiver isn't really the problem, but maybe no Grant or Castillo...that's a problem.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 14, 2024, 11:58:36 PMReceiver isn't really the problem, but maybe no Grant or Castillo...that's a problem.
It sounds like both of those are still in the works, and in the budget...
Sad to see Damian Jackson go, he was a heart guy, even if he wasn't the most talented, there was no doubting his desire.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2024, 12:02:10 AMIt sounds like both of those are still in the works, and in the budget...
Sad to see Damian Jackson go, he was a heart guy, even if he wasn't the most talented, there was no doubting his desire.
Unfortunate
Losing Clements hurts and I am sad if Bailey is gone
Quote from: theaardvark on February 15, 2024, 12:02:10 AMIt sounds like both of those are still in the works, and in the budget...
Sad to see Damian Jackson go, he was a heart guy, even if he wasn't the most talented, there was no doubting his desire.
If true I'm good with Jackson being let go. It couldn't have been about money since he'd have been on an ELC. Wasting a DI spot on an import FB was just a bad idea for our ratio.
That said it's no guarantee we don't add another import FB in 2024. Hopefully that's NOT what we do.
Interesting that this decision was made so early before TC. Releasing 1 player from an ELC in order to add another does squat for cap room. It just gives an opportunity to improve.
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@DTonOBWalters says guys they've moved on from CB
Winston Rose, WR
Rasheed Bailey and LG
Geoff Gray. Expects that Ford & Tyrique McGhee will be in the mix at corner this season.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 13, 2024, 07:42:35 PMI think, with the $SMS and the success of our scouting/coaching, FA season is always going to be a heartbreak for us.
Yup, you guys sussed out what is going on here. We've been subject to it for every season since our '19 GC win. When you're the best, you spend all the effort and money to maintain the status quo as much as possible. After all, they won you a cup, they can win you another.
You hope you can keep enough of them so that everything can keep on ticking along. Any holes you pray you gets some scouting finds / DPs.
KW usually finds just enough $$ to maybe make 1 FA "splash", often an aging vet. Very rarely is it a key piece we are missing though.
In contrast, for the "have not" teams, FA is an exciting time because you are throwing away half your roster and making FA splashes left and right. When you're garbage, the only possible direction to go is up. See OTT, EDM, SSK.
And it all makes sense and repeats and rhymes for every team, and no one holds onto the title of "best" or "garbage" for very long. I still remember when we were the dumpster fire team and every FA announcement was great news! That's only around 8-13 years ago!
On the bright side, TOR and MTL are now in the same boat we are trying to maintain their roster and no money leftover.
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 14, 2024, 07:01:24 PMNot Sure about the basis for all this criticism aimed at Kolankowski
Ya, Ko-man wasn't the cause of big problems. You mostly didn't notice he was there. The worst I can say about him is he isn't as good as Couture or Goosen (yet?). But he's good enough.
Quote from: Waffler on February 14, 2024, 10:49:01 PM"We just don't have any money," he said. "The spots that are available are going to be for training-camp battles for young players, for first-year players. If somebody wants to come in on a minimum contract, we might kick the tires on that."
Could be a ruse to lure the marginals back should they not get better offers elsewhere. Could include Bailey, Jackson, Grant(?).
If it's true, then WM/KW may have emptied the kitty too fast. What happens if you've allocated all the $ and there's nothing left to even fill out the PR to mandated size?? Surely they are not that incompetent; I refuse to believe that.
It could also be used to get some already-signed high-$ vets to come to the table to each chip in $10-$30k to make space...
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 15, 2024, 01:14:07 AMIf true I'm good with Jackson being let go. It couldn't have been about money since he'd have been on an ELC. Wasting a DI spot on an import FB was just a bad idea for our ratio.
Ya, but our scheme
needs a FB. We like our max-pro sets and the odd FB sneak-out pass. I don't think we have any NAT natural FB on the roster at the moment. That would hint that a FB would be our highest priority in the draft.
No way we do IMP FB again, none, nada. Unless Jackson comes back for ELC again... who knows. We'd have to be desperate.
Quote from: ModAdmin on February 15, 2024, 03:05:25 AMLG Geoff Gray.
Ouch, if that's true, ouch. What a disappointment in the end. Argh. We're in a big pickle on OL now, with very limited options. See the OL thread.
This could put is in the bottom 50% of OL quality come week 1. Maybe start Strev every game until we get it sorted! Haha, at least Strev can take all the hits that will be coming the QB's way! :o :o :D :-X :'( :P
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 15, 2024, 03:24:44 AMYa, but our scheme needs a FB. We like our max-pro sets and the odd FB sneak-out pass. I don't think we have any NAT natural FB on the roster at the moment. That would hint that a FB would be our highest priority in the draft.
No way we do IMP FB again, none, nada. Unless Jackson comes back for ELC again... who knows. We'd have to be desperate.
IMP FB is only sustainable if he can do more than be an extra OL. Even then, it's a luxury.
Sask just signed an american FB , and Hamilton had one years ago. Difference is one actually produced some offense in college and the other was also a defensive tackle. Even those guys probably won't or did not pan out. FB is important to the offense and should be treated as such by having a sustainable plan for the position
Sure going to need to fill some big shoes in camp
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 15, 2024, 03:22:46 AMCould be a ruse to lure the marginals back should they not get better offers elsewhere. Could include Bailey, Jackson, Grant(?).
If it's true, then WM/KW may have emptied the kitty too fast. What happens if you've allocated all the $ and there's nothing left to even fill out the PR to mandated size?? Surely they are not that incompetent; I refuse to believe that.
It could also be used to get some already-signed high-$ vets to come to the table to each chip in $10-$30k to make space...
Ok, settle down buddy.
It just means that after we sign Grant and Castillio, everyone else we add to the roster will be through the CFL draft and scouting. We aren't signing any other vets.
Is it talent or money with Gray?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 15, 2024, 03:24:44 AMYa, but our scheme needs a FB. We like our max-pro sets and the odd FB sneak-out pass. I don't think we have any NAT natural FB on the roster at the moment. That would hint that a FB would be our highest priority in the draft.
No way we do IMP FB again, none, nada. Unless Jackson comes back for ELC again... who knows. We'd have to be desperate.
I wonder if Jackson requested his release? Perhaps an opportunity to join the UFL for another pay check.
His early release is as curious as retaining him for all of 2023. Did the Bombers sign someone that may take on that role? I had suggested a good import RB that can block and back up the RB position would be useful. Or perhaps we have our eye on a draft choice or 2?
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Walters says guys they've moved on from CB Winston Rose, WR Rasheed Bailey and LG Geoff Gray.
Expects that Ford & Tyrique McGhee will be in the mix at corner this season.
I'd be sorry to see Bailey not on our roster this season. Great guy, team player and always great effort. I suppose this comes down to SMS more than performance. He always contributed.
I can understand Rose and Gray for the most part. SMS and succession thoughts to get younger and cheaper. Very likely we add at least 1 OL in our drafts this year.
Rough count is about 14 players that were on the AR most or all of the 2023 season. Another 10 or so that spent quite a bit of time on the PR.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 15, 2024, 02:51:35 PMIs it talent or money with Gray?
I think it's "we have two young players ready to start already under contract".
Blue Bombers Transactions - Damian Jackson
WINNIPEG, MB., February 15, 2024 – The Winnipeg Blue Bombers today announces the team has released American fullback Damian Jackson.
I'm not sure that Bailey isn't being "pushed out of the nest". We don't have enough SMS$ to have him on the Rec corps, we are overspent there already, and that spot need to be an ELC. He signed here last year at below market wage, without Schoen's new deal, because he wanted to play here. And I love that about him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Walters was trying to get him to take the bigger contract he has earned somewhere else, and not even offering him a minimum deal. Bailey has earned a veteran deal of $120-$150k. Unless he's otherwise financially taken care of, signing here for min to follow his heart seems like taking advantage of him.
The fact that Walters said he'd look at veterans on min salaries does keep the door open for that, if 8 other teams are dumb enough to pass on him.
Rose, not sure where his game is at, and Gray, we had so much hope for him as a Nat OT, at OG, we have depth of younger players. Neufeld or Gray would have been my question, and Neufeld signed early. There should be a spot for Gray out there, Nat OL are always in demand. Might skip TC and hook up somewhere as an injury replacement.
Bailey was absolutely fearless catching balls over the middle. No aligator arms there. We will regret not finding a way to keep him.
Bailey is a player I would have found a way to keep, that said, we brough in bigger names and that's how business is, he will be good somewhere else, he can do it all, proud of what he did here, good luck!
According to his career stats, Lawlor was a bit of a disappointment in 2023:
https://www.bluebombers.com/players/kenny-lawler-2/163693/
However, according to this list, he is the second highest paid receiver in the CFL:
https://3downnation.com/2023/04/19/the-cfls-20-highest-paid-receivers-for-the-2023-season/
According to to this list, he was only 12th in receiving yardage, and 8th in TDs in 2023:
https://www.cfl.ca/stats?stat_category=receiving&filter[season][eq]=2023&group_by=player
Maybe we overpaid Lawlor, so now can't afford to hang onto some of our other talented receivers, such as Bailey.
Quote from: PloenFan on February 16, 2024, 09:48:57 PMAccording to his career stats, Lawlor was a bit of a disappointment in 2023:
https://www.bluebombers.com/players/kenny-lawler-2/163693/
However, according to this list, he is the second highest paid receiver in the CFL:
https://3downnation.com/2023/04/19/the-cfls-20-highest-paid-receivers-for-the-2023-season/
According to to this list, he was only 12th in receiving yardage, and 8th in TDs in 2023:
https://www.cfl.ca/stats?stat_category=receiving&filter[season][eq]=2023&group_by=player
Maybe we overpaid Lawlor, so now can't afford to hang onto some of our other talented receivers, such as Bailey.
He missed 6 games that were not included in the $SMS. So, in 12 games he ended up 12th. Extrapolate that to 18 games, and he leads the league with 1351 yards.
But yeah, a disappointment.
Quote from: J5V on February 16, 2024, 04:43:37 PMBailey was absolutely fearless catching balls over the middle. No aligator arms there. We will regret not finding a way to keep him.
No doubt he was a big part of the success of the team, and will be missed. But with Lawler, Schoen, Demski and Wolitarski as all well paid veterans, the 5th WR spot needs to be a development ELC guy, both for a succession plan and $SMS management.
I will miss him, and if we did not manage to sign Schoen, you can bet he would have been a big part of our WR corps. But in this business, dominoes fall, and sometimes you have to make the decision that feels wrong, but is what you have to do as a team.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 16, 2024, 09:58:14 PMExtrapolate that to 18 games, and he leads the league with 1351 yards.
Schoen missed a couple too, they might have been 1 and 2 at the top of the league with a full season each. To me Lawler is always a threat to shake up a game with a highlight reel grab and I would bet he's the guy that scares other teams the most. I am glad he is here.
Quote from: J5V on February 16, 2024, 04:43:37 PMBailey was absolutely fearless catching balls over the middle. No aligator arms there. We will regret not finding a way to keep him.
Bailey is the clutch 2nd down guy who can take the punishment. Woli is like that too. Tough guys who just keep going.
Schoen is a little more fragile. Not wimpy, just not as stout. Schoen can get injured if we force him into the hot crossers/slants too much. When he was an ELC, who cared. But now that he's a top earner, we'll want to protect our investment a little more.
We may want to eye another bruiser for our 5th spot. Someone like Cottoy. I find the big guys, but not tall, work out best. Rogers/Agudosi tall types always get injured. 5'11" with lots of beef (yet decent speed) works out better. What is Thick Nick doing?! :D ;D
Quote from: Waffler on February 17, 2024, 01:31:40 PMSchoen missed a couple too, they might have been 1 and 2 at the top of the league with a full season each. To me Lawler is always a threat to shake up a game with a highlight reel grab and I would bet he's the guy that scares other teams the most. I am glad he is here.
Lawler is one of the best at the moment. Like Dress at his peak. Or even close to Burnham. I think Lawler may even get better for another 1-2 seasons. He scares the poop out of teams.
The key is to throw it to where only Lawler can get it. The mistake in the GC was throwing him nice feathered softballs. No, you overthrow or high-throw Lawler; he'll get it.
It appears we've signed Hansen according to a post on Facebook. I wonder how much he will earn.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 18, 2024, 01:47:35 PMIt appears we've signed Hansen according to a post on Facebook. I wonder how much he will earn.
I thought he already signed with the Argos.
Quote from: Jesse on February 18, 2024, 02:24:24 PMI thought he already signed with the Argos.
Now that you mention it, I did think he did that earlier. Perhaps he changed his mind or possibly I misread the Facebook mention.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 18, 2024, 05:17:47 PMNow that you mention it, I did think he did that earlier. Perhaps he changed his mind or possibly I misread the Facebook mention.
According to the CFL Free Agency tracker Hansen signed with the Argos on Feb. 13th.
I like the looks of Jeremiah Gemmel. 6'1" 226, excellent on open field tackles, very good closing burst, kid seems to be around the ball all the time. In 38 games with North Carolina. 135 DTs, 101 Ast. 6.5 Sacks, 5 FF, 2 Int.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 18, 2024, 01:47:35 PMIt appears we've signed Hansen according to a post on Facebook. I wonder how much he will earn.
Another reason to get off the misinformation cesspit that is Facebook.
Hansen signed with the Argonauts on Tuesday: https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/13/argos-sign-global-dl-thiadric-hansen/
Hopefully they tie up Castillo and Grant this week, that would reduce the number of question marks on the field this season. Gray, Walker and Bailey still floating around in space probably contemplating their future.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 19, 2024, 04:07:02 PMHopefully they tie up Castillo and Grant this week, that would reduce the number of question marks on the field this season. Gray, Walker and Bailey still floating around in space probably contemplating their future.
The fact that Gray hasn't been snapped up is very telling. Maybe other teams see what DM83 does? Walker & Bailey probably haven't signed yet because of bigger asks$$.
The problem for all 3 is if they don't get decent offers, they may have no choice but to beg to KW for the scraps and earn
even less than we would have given them had they agreed to decent terms earlier (b/c no money left). FA can be a big gamble, and some players will lose.
Gray has an excellent job outside of football. He has always maintained Winnipeg is where he wants to play. I wouldn't be surprised if he retired rather then move to another team.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 20, 2024, 04:47:47 AMGray has an excellent job outside of football. He has always maintained Winnipeg is where he wants to play. I wouldn't be surprised if he retired rather then move to another team.
Then let's make a re-signing happen. He can take the normal home-town discount, knowing he'll get playoff money, and not need to upend his life.
He may not be the best at the moment, but he's arguably better than Dobson (the likely LG heir)
right now. (I doubt Eli will be tasked with LG.)
The longer this takes, the more likely we get him back, methinks. Promise him more money in the future... SMS space should be wide open in 2026.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 20, 2024, 02:39:00 AMThe fact that Gray hasn't been snapped up is very telling. Maybe other teams see what DM83 does? Walker & Bailey probably haven't signed yet because of bigger asks$$.
The problem for all 3 is if they don't get decent offers, they may have no choice but to beg to KW for the scraps and earn even less than we would have given them had they agreed to decent terms earlier (b/c no money left). FA can be a big gamble, and some players will lose.
Walker was signed by Calgary and walked away himself. It was reported he wasn't going to sign with any team at the moment. He must have something personal happening.
Gray especially, and I think Bailey too, have off season careers. They may just be contemplating retirement if they don't get the offers they want.
I do not expect any to return at any price point.
Does anyone know what the value of Bailey would be? My guess is that he could get offers in the 150,000 range (am I off?)
I know he has his own podcast on the side. If he's offered a 100k contract from us, would he accept that just to boost his podcast? If I were him, and wanting to build my brand, I would consider this. I don't think signing up as a 4th or 5th option on another team like Hamilton (for example) would help him.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 14, 2024, 03:41:53 PMThere is no doubt that we are enamored with the players that have gotten us to FOUR STRAIGHT GREY CUPS, and have done our best to retain as many as possible.
Any signing of an available non-Bomber FA would come at the sacrifice of one or more Bomber FA's. As it is, we have lost some key pieces simply because of budget. No way we could compete for FA's that would "improve" our team.
We will, once again, lose players to FA and NFL, and replace them with drafting,scouting and coaching. Not participating in the FA market is not a sign of not being interested in improving, but rather a sign that our front office is wisely avoiding the easy way out that some teams use to "buy" a team, but rather work on scouting and developing and creating players that other teams covet and overpay to have them come aboard.
I agree.
:)
Whatever the price is for a decent kicker, we should sign one. Without a great kicker, a team can not possibly be dominant.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 20, 2024, 06:28:06 PMBailey says goodbye.
Oh well.. he will be missed.. but replaced... :)
Shame they couldn't keep Bailey around for another season.
Just a heart and soul player through and through.
Has Castillo been re-signed? I can't find any news.
Didn't listen to the 34 minute video. Where is Bailey going?
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 20, 2024, 06:46:18 PMHas Castillo been re-signed? I can't find any news.
I suspect it's the same issue as with the others, Walters is probably offering Castillo the same or less than he made last season and he feels underpaid and undervalued for his performance when compared to other kickers in the league. Jeffcoat, Bailey, Walker, Gray all walked away instead of accepting pay cuts.
Quote from: LXTSN on February 20, 2024, 01:20:25 PMDoes anyone know what the value of Bailey would be? My guess is that he could get offers in the 150,000 range (am I off?)
I know he has his own podcast on the side. If he's offered a 100k contract from us, would he accept that just to boost his podcast? If I were him, and wanting to build my brand, I would consider this. I don't think signing up as a 4th or 5th option on another team like Hamilton (for example) would help him.
I think we got Bailey for ~$125 in 2023? That's my guess. In 2023 in FA he may have fetched $145? I think 2024 FA there's less money leftover for the middlings, by all teams. And Bailey's 2023 wasn't as good as 2022. My guess is he's worth $135 FAoverall, and he probably wants $150, and the Bombers might pay $105 if he proposed the deal.
Just guessing.
Quote from: blue_gold_84 on February 20, 2024, 06:42:10 PMShame they couldn't keep Bailey around for another season.
Just a heart and soul player through and through.
There's the big problem. We often shed the heart & soul & fire players. Not on purpose, but we don't seem to place an extra value on that.
From a fan perspective, based on interviews and podcasts and news that we're privy to, the biggest "heart" players over the last 5 seasons were:
- Harris 33
- Hardrick 51
- Bailey 88
All are now gone. What does this do to our team? Who replace them as the passion guys, pep leaders? This is important. I could argue our '23 GC loss was due to lack of passion. I've compared the 2 sidelines and attitude. It's that "gonna crush them" "let's go" attitude that can win big games.
Who will take over that role? We have "captain of the ship"-type leaders, sure, but the heart & soul guys are different.
Quote from: Blue In BC on February 20, 2024, 08:30:14 PMDidn't listen to the 34 minute video. Where is Bailey going?
Skip to 6:00 and watch 3 mins. It's worth it. Bailey talking about his love for WPG fans and how he wanted to be back. (If you have more time, watch thru to 13:00.)
We can't scrounge $125 for him (my number guess)? Since we don't know what we'll get in TC (might just be more Agudosis) we're rolling the dice here. Why not sign Bailey and if a TC guy proves great, cut Bailey mid-season like A.Bowman.
Bailey, if he is gone, is going out with class. This is the way you do an exit and endear yourself to the fans for eternity. Well done Bailey, set the precedent and show how it's done. We love you and respect you and appreciate what you've done. Your speech on TSN right before the end of the '19 GC will be in our memory forever. It's as good as AH's "we're coming home with that cup, woooo" line.
i would argue that our biggest heart players have been
Bighill, Jefferson. Demski Neufeld, and Hardrick and of course Collaros
We like Baileys drive but to me seemed over the top.
Players I'd like to see provide more drive is
Offense
Kolankowski, Lawler, Olivera
on defense
Nichols, Wilson and Alexander(who was that guy but stepped back a bit last year
Make the man an offer KW, its sounds like he would accept based on his love for the WFC. He is a heart and soul person/player which don't come along very often.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 20, 2024, 09:14:58 PMThere's the big problem. We often shed the heart & soul & fire players. Not on purpose, but we don't seem to place an extra value on that.
From a fan perspective, based on interviews and podcasts and news that we're privy to, the biggest "heart" players over the last 5 seasons were:
- Harris 33
- Hardrick 51
- Bailey 88
All are now gone. What does this do to our team? Who replace them as the passion guys, pep leaders? This is important. I could argue our '23 GC loss was due to lack of passion. I've compared the 2 sidelines and attitude. It's that "gonna crush them" "let's go" attitude that can win big games.
Who will take over that role? We have "captain of the ship"-type leaders, sure, but the heart & soul guys are different.
Are you serious?
Heart?
Collaros, Neufeld, Thomas, Jefferson, Bighill... local boys Demski and Oliviera... just off the top of my head. Sure, Hardick was a fun guy, and Harris was a team guy until... and no doubt Bailey is a heart guy for sure, but if there is one thing we never are short on with an Oshea / Walters team, its heart.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 20, 2024, 09:40:34 PMAre you serious?
Heart?
Collaros, Neufeld, Thomas, Jefferson, Bighill... local boys Demski and Oliviera... just off the top of my head. Sure, Hardick was a fun guy, and Harris was a team guy until... and no doubt Bailey is a heart guy for sure, but if there is one thing we never are short on with an Oshea / Walters team, its heart.
For me, Harris would have been a good backup to BO20. But, not at $160K.
Hardrick at $230K. Well, that's just crazy.
Bailey fell into the numbers game. It was either 88/83, or 88/89/, but it ended up 83/89.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 20, 2024, 04:47:47 AMGray has an excellent job outside of football. He has always maintained Winnipeg is where he wants to play. I wouldn't be surprised if he retired rather then move to another team.
Is Gray already working for an engineering firm in Wpg? I thought he might put that career on hold until he was done with football.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 20, 2024, 09:40:34 PMAre you serious?
Heart?
Collaros, Neufeld, Thomas, Jefferson, Bighill... local boys Demski and Oliviera...
Then let me retract "heart" then. You're right, "heart" can include more people that aren't what I'm trying to get at.
It's more:
rah-rah lets-f-go fired-up pep guys. The ones that are seemingly over the top, but with infectious energy that you just can't repress. The ones who are running on the field waving their arms going mental after a big play, the ones screaming into the TSN cameras on the sidelines, the ones going down the sidelines screaming at their team-mates to wake up and win the game.
The ones in the locker room screaming "who's got my back" getting the whole team and city hyped up.
I named the guys who this was. Who is this guy now??
"Collaros, Neufeld, Thomas, Jefferson, Bighill... local boys Demski and Oliviera"
Heart yes, leadership yes, but crazy fire-eyed energy? None of them stand out for that. They are mostly the quiet, calm, leader type, especially Zach, Pat, Biggie, Demski.
The '23 GC needed that energy and we didn't have it. I guess Bailey couldn't do it all on his own. (And sometimes even the fire guys get depressed in-game and lose their mojo and clam up, that's why having more than one is desirable.)
The "fire" guys seem to have a bit of crazy or nutty (or maybe goofy?) in them, but in a good way. Sometimes you have to be a bit nutty to still be fired up with high morale when you're getting mollywopped.
By definition this will exclude most QBs; except MBT, who is the only starting QB in a decade I've seen with that fire-eyed cray-cray.
It's actually intriguing to contemplate all it takes to make a winning team. It takes a lot of different types, with each strength complementing the other's weakness. It's not just fielding the most talented players. Would make a good study.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 20, 2024, 09:57:51 PMIs Gray already working for an engineering firm in Wpg? I thought he might put that career on hold until he was done with football.
Yes, he is working for engineering firm.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 20, 2024, 10:18:35 PMThe "fire" guys
Rah rah stuff is over rated in the pros UNLESS you can back it up with superior play on the field. Even then I think momentum naturally ebbs and flows on big plays more so than words.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 20, 2024, 10:18:35 PMBy definition this will exclude most QBs; except MBT, who is the only starting QB in a decade I've seen with that fire-eyed cray-cray.
Somehow I don't think a crazed QB is valuable to a team. An unflappable one like Ricky Ray or Zach Collaros is more of a plus.
;)
I'm going to guess that Strevler will be a big rah-rah guy for this team.
He knows he's coming in as a back up quarterback and his job is to help this team in anyway possible. I think that will be part of his responsibility on the sidelines.
I understand that there were economics and the roster implications in play that could have made Walters move on from Sheed.
And I understand that the main reason for him playing in the CFL was that the Bombers gave him a family.
But I'm not sure that those were the only issues preventing him from being a WBB in 2024.
It doesn't sound right, or should I say the lack of sound is right, coming from the front office re:Sheed. No explanation saying "We just couldn't fit him in on our squad", just a "He won't be back with the team".
He seems a very emotional player, and while the highs are great, the other end can be bad.
Did he do something we never heard of to diminish his value? Is there a nagging injury? I just couldn't get a read on him, even watching his podcast.
Why has no other team stepped up on him? Have they and has Sheed declined, holding on to hope that he can still sign here? Is he willing to ride the couch waiting for an injury call up?
I know the WFC has a culture like none other in the CFL, but I am sure there are teams that could provide him with the setting/support he is looking for.
I do wish there was a way we could find him a home here, but I feel with each passing day that there is a deeper reason that $SMS and roster spots and wonder even if we did not sign Dalton that there would be a place for Sheed.
I am happy that he was a part of this team, and thank him from his contributions, and wish him well going forward.
I feel it's likely that we have signed some players who Walters/Oshea feel have a bigger upside going forward. We know what Bailey can do.
Also we need to develop receivers than can step in at a higher level, both Lawler and Schoen are signed for this year only
The only way we sign Bailey is if he's ok on the practice roster, in case we need an injury replacement which I don't think he would be.
Still no kicker and no known ST returner signed yet right?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on February 21, 2024, 05:21:15 PMStill no kicker and no known ST returner signed yet right?
Nope. Last thing Walters said was they were still negotiating with Castillio and Grant. I still expect them back.
Quote from: Pigskin on February 20, 2024, 10:43:21 PMYes, he is working for engineering firm.
Maybe it's out of date, but his linkedin profile states he's working as a research technician at the UofM.
Of even more interest, his personal description states '
former professional athlete'...
2024 is the year of turnover in Winnipeg. We've lost about 17 players that were normally on the AR. It's possible a couple might yet be signed, however, the turnover is significant. Also about 8 players that spent time on the PR are also gone: Lawrence, Richmond and Maruo in particular.
Obviously it's too early to say this is a big problem. We might unearth the next Jeffcoat, Alford or Schoen. Those players may be returning from the 2023 PR or newbies.
There will be more to watch / hear in the 2024 TC as a result. Who will be the new success stories. Once TC begins we'll need some sort of more specific watch list.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on February 20, 2024, 06:28:06 PMBailey says goodbye.
Son of a ... tears are still coming. ****! Talk about a real human being. I love that man and I'm gonna miss him. Wish him all the best!
Quote from: theaardvark on February 20, 2024, 09:40:34 PMAre you serious?
Heart?
Collaros, Neufeld, Thomas, Jefferson, Bighill... local boys Demski and Oliviera... just off the top of my head. Sure, Hardick was a fun guy, and Harris was a team guy until... and no doubt Bailey is a heart guy for sure, but if there is one thing we never are short on with an Oshea / Walters team, its heart.
We have not replaced the emotion that Harris brought to the Bombers. He single handedly willed our team to the Grey Cup the year he was MVP. And it's tough to replace a guy who has the skills to backup what he's saying and more importantly to get others to listen and get amped up.
I agree with Techno, where was that last year in the GC?? In tough, tight games, intensity matters, and if AH was in our lineup last year, hurt or healthy, you can bet everyone would have done everything possible to send him out a winner, just like the Ravens did when Ray Lewis was hurt in his last year. Those emotional, highly productive impact players are extremely hard to find and even harder to replace.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 21, 2024, 04:29:42 PMI understand that there were economics and the roster implications in play that could have made Walters move on from Sheed.
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It doesn't sound right, or should I say the lack of sound is right, coming from the front office re:Sheed. No explanation saying "We just couldn't fit him in on our squad", just a "He won't be back with the team".
It could just be the "middling player" curse. Not good enough to be highly sought after by many teams, too expensive for people to sign as depth/DI or PR. Plus, middling in age... could have many years left, but could also have peaked.
These players often have pride and won't accept too much of an "insulting" offer. They'll do a hometown / no-change discount as that saves face. But they can't accept an "insulting" offer (i.e. back to near ELC). Not necessarily the best mindset or approach, but I'm sure we can understand it.
Why are we not making a low-but-face-saving offer to Bailey? Maybe we really can't afford it, as KW has said. And it may be "nicer" to not make an offer at all than to insult him with an ELC+15. It seems strange, but it might show more respect for the player in the end.
It could be we didn't like the downtrend of his stats? He was still very good for his position, but he did whiff on some catches, and even turtled on a couple. He only had 1 or 2 ok receptions in the GC, and I think 1 or 2 misses. So from a GC puzzle-piece standpoint, which KW is always focused on, cutting him makes sense.
We could be just willing to gamble an ELC out of 4-8 guys brought to TC will be nearly as good, at a lower price. At worst those odds are probably 50/50?? Dunno.
The problem is, if the next #3 IMP we start at WR turns out to be LDW (sorry 66) or Agudosi, then we probably made a big mistake. That's a real risk. But one we can recover from. Not all 5 need to be capable (many teams prove that).
It is a bit puzzling, and clearly the fans are restless about dumping Bailey, and personally I'm not sold on it. But maybe The Can Mafia knows what they are doing, or will win the gamble.
Quote from: Pete on February 21, 2024, 04:53:40 PMAlso we need to develop receivers than can step in at a higher level, both Lawler and Schoen are signed for this year only
The only way we sign Bailey is if he's ok on the practice roster, in case we need an injury replacement which I don't think he would be.
Yes, this could be with an eye to 2025. An ELC guy who pans out will be an asset having to skip FA next year. Too many of our players are up for FA at the same time going into our big home GC year.
Bailey would only be signed if we knew we'd start him. There is zero sense in signing him and then cutting him in TC, or putting him on the PR. We certainly only have ELC money for PR people this year, and Bailey needs and deserves at least a couple of steps above ELC.
Quote from: J5V on February 22, 2024, 01:10:21 AMSon of a ... tears are still coming. ****! Talk about a real human being. I love that man and I'm gonna miss him. Wish him all the best!
Ya, might be one of the best send-off message-to-fans we've ever seen in WFC. Classy and from the heart. How can you not love the guy. Never forget, he helped bring us 2 cups, and helped get us to 2 more. Quite amazing, actually.
Quote from: dd on February 22, 2024, 02:31:41 AMWe have not replaced the emotion that Harris brought to the Bombers. He single handedly willed our team to the Grey Cup the year he was MVP. And it's tough to replace a guy who has the skills to backup what he's saying and more importantly to get others to listen and get amped up.
I agree with Techno, where was that last year in the GC?? In tough, tight games, intensity matters, and if AH was in our lineup last year, hurt or healthy, you can bet everyone would have done everything possible to send him out a winner, just like the Ravens did when Ray Lewis was hurt in his last year. Those emotional, highly productive impact players are extremely hard to find and even harder to replace.
Thanks. Glad someone sees it too! So many hype guys on the sidelines for MTL in the GC. Even when we got that last TD and made their win very difficult they were all fired up with the rah-rah guys keeping morale up. The TSN Wired showed all of this.
Contrast to ours, there was no fire. It was dead.
The telling point to me was (from TSN Wired) when Willie had Cody in his grasp, slipped, and let Cody run for 15 on 2nd & 17. He's staring into space right after that play saying "I had him" "I slipped", and he couldn't believe it, and his eyes showed he knows they had lost the game, even though it took 2 more plays. It was that Simoni-in-the-EZ-just-before-the-2pt-convert-GC-2021 look I'll never forget.
We reached a point where our guys didn't believe they could do it, and thus they didn't. MTL didn't stop believing.
Where were the fire guys on the sidelines screaming out we still got this, go rip Cody's head off?
Where were the fire guys the series before, before Zach got sacked, telling our O guys that we're going to run right through them no matter what? We played that series like business as usual. Brady stuffed for 1y gain and a sack. Zach wasn't even emotional about it like he was in 2022 when his final pass was batted down forcing the Leggs block. '22 he was really miffed, knowing he had just lost the game. '23 he was like "meh" and walked off.
You need the fire to have the team believe they can plow through the other team. If they don't believe, they are going to lose the big games.
I really don't know who our fire guys are now. People can step up to lead, and be captains. But that's not the same thing. You may not realize you need that fire guy, you may not value him, but his absence can spell doom. The silver lining is any of the more rowdy guys can become the fire guy overnight... it's not something set in stone.
If anyone is worried about needing "heart" on this team, remember, we signed CS17.
Is there anyone, ANYONE, who personifies that trait more?
As much as you can say AH33 was instrumental in the 2019 GC victory, from a heart standpoint, CS17 was as much responsible for that, and inspiration playing on a broken foot (you know his teammates knew/saw what he was going through).
And he's back.
Yup Bailey is a passionate guy, the business side sucks, gotta love his heart and love for the Blue Bombers and the city.
God Speed Sheed!
Quote from: blue_or_die on February 21, 2024, 05:33:38 PMMaybe it's out of date, but his linkedin profile states he's working as a research technician at the UofM.
Of even more interest, his personal description states 'former professional athlete'...
:o
Quote from: theaardvark on February 22, 2024, 05:50:21 AMIf anyone is worried about needing "heart" on this team, remember, we signed CS17.
Is there anyone, ANYONE, who personifies that trait more?
Ya, Strevie might step up and take on that role, though it has to be tempered by the fact he's a QB and those guys often need to keep an air of calm captain/leader, kind of like a coach. He also may have been tempered by a) age and b) years "wasted"(?) in the NFL.
Someone mentioned Willie: he also could maybe be that guy. But, like most mere mortals, he's prone to getting bummed out when things aren't going great.
Too bad they say Nick Hallett is super quiet & keeps to himself: he strikes me as having that fire and slight crazy.
I wonder what Eli and Dobson are like... and Fox and Haba. Guys might come out of their shell when starting. Guys always said Yoshi was real quiet when he first joined, but by the end was the life & comedy of the locker room. That place may not be the same without him.
People compliment how calm and cool we are when behind and you can't tell we are worried. Veteran poise. When we come back and win this is a great thing but when we don't it's terrible. Not enough fire. Two sides of the same coin, this is the team we are and it wins more than it loses.
I have zero worries about someone stepping up on this team, we have leaders here aplenty.
Castillo signs a one year deal! Grant next.
https://www.cfl.ca/2024/02/23/in-a-snap-bombers-re-sign-kicker-sergio-castillo/
Quote from: Waffler on February 22, 2024, 08:27:07 PMPeople compliment how calm and cool we are when behind and you can't tell we are worried. Veteran poise. When we come back and win this is a great thing but when we don't it's terrible. Not enough fire. Two sides of the same coin, this is the team we are and it wins more than it loses.
I have zero worries about someone stepping up on this team, we have leaders here aplenty.
Well I do. We have nobody who gets in the grill of players and gets them going. Harris used to come onto the field and get the O line going before the first snap and then when he d get a decent gain, he'd work on whipping the crowd into shape and get them going. Brady tries to do that but he doesn't do it to the extent Harris did. Harris refused to lose, he would not have anything to do with that, he was possessed to win and he singe handedly willed us to win the GC. Without him we wouldn't have done it. And after he left, we haven't won it since. Coincidence?? Hardly
Harris provided leadership in the locker room that's for sure. Oliviera is young but I can see the fire in him as well. Given the right coaching and team, he can be dominant as well.
Quote from: dd on February 24, 2024, 05:15:54 AMWell I do. We have nobody who gets in the grill of players and gets them going. Harris used to come onto the field and get the O line going before the first snap and then when he d get a decent gain, he'd work on whipping the crowd into shape and get them going.
Did anyone ever notice how when AH33 got a gain, really any gain that wasn't stuffed, he'd then run another 10-15Y down the field the instant he got up. He was showing both his O and the opponent D that "this is where I'll be in another 2 minutes". It was a brilliant domination tactic, and I wonder why more RBs don't emulate it.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on February 25, 2024, 07:51:21 PMDid anyone ever notice how when AH33 got a gain, really any gain that wasn't stuffed, he'd then run another 10-15Y down the field the instant he got up. He was showing both his O and the opponent D that "this is where I'll be in another 2 minutes". It was a brilliant domination tactic, and I wonder why more RBs don't emulate it.
It's an awful lot of wasted time and energy... it worked for AH33, but that doesn't mean it will work for others. AH33 would finish a set of downs and then run off the field and jump on the bike. No idea where he got all the energy from...
Quote from: BLUEBOMBER on February 24, 2024, 08:32:48 AMHarris provided leadership in the locker room that's for sure. Oliviera is young but I can see the fire in him as well. Given the right coaching and team, he can be dominant as well.
For sure, after the season he just had, he's got the street cred to be more of a vocal leader and be arguably better than Harris
Quote from: dd on February 25, 2024, 11:50:43 PMFor sure, after the season he just had, he's got the street cred to be more of a vocal leader and be arguably better than Harris
I'm not sure that's his personality though. We've all seen tons of AH33 pep talks and troop-rallying in and out of games. But who remembers similar from Brady? I sure don't. He seems more the quiet type who wants to go about his business.
If he wants to be a rah-rah leader he may have to work on it and/or get professional leadership coaching. Even then, people can detect when you're faking it. Not everyone can do it.
Quote from: theaardvark on February 25, 2024, 08:02:48 PMIt's an awful lot of wasted time and energy... it worked for AH33, but that doesn't mean it will work for others. AH33 would finish a set of downs and then run off the field and jump on the bike. No idea where he got all the energy from...
IIRC, he used the stationary bike to stay loose. He wasn't a young buck during his time with the Bombers.
Walters was also asked for an update on where things stand in potential negotiations with receiver/returner Janarion Grant – the club's all-time leader in kick return touchdowns who has been a free agent since mid-February.
"We're still in communication," said Walters, "but I'm really not sure where that's going to end up."
That's not exactly encouraging or discouraging, but it's worth noting the club has added some potential kick return candidates in former Rutgers/Wisconsin Aron Cruickshank, Illinois receiver Kody Case and more could be en route if a deal with Grant can't be completed.
https://www.bluebombers.com/2024/03/08/kyle-walters-from-the-invitational-combine/
Tyrell Ford update.
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/tyrell-ford-looking-forward-to-returning-to-winnipeg-blue-bombers-following-nfl-tryout-1.2089345
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 13, 2024, 08:59:42 PMTyrell Ford update.
https://www.tsn.ca/cfl/tyrell-ford-looking-forward-to-returning-to-winnipeg-blue-bombers-following-nfl-tryout-1.2089345
Like his odds of maybe securing a starting job this season. Finding a suitable Canadian backup would be tough, but the Bombers like their DI defensive backs and have done pretty well with them (Houston, Holm, Parker)
Quote from: kkc60 on March 13, 2024, 11:29:26 PMLike his odds of maybe securing a starting job this season. Finding a suitable Canadian backup would be tough, but the Bombers like their DI defensive backs and have done pretty well with them (Houston, Holm, Parker)
if ford is able to start we could use a american db as backup as we have potentially 9 national starters, although I'd like to see Kramdl replaced with an import (nothing negative about Kramdl hes adequate, but maybe we could find an upgrade)
Quote from: Pete on March 14, 2024, 01:02:45 AMif ford is able to start we could use a american db as backup as we have potentially 9 national starters, although I'd like to see Kramdl replaced with an import (nothing negative about Kramdl hes adequate, but maybe we could find an upgrade)
Agreed on Kramdi. But Mafia is very very high on him. I've learned that when they are excited, I should pause my calls for benching! He does seem to be improving all the time.
By no means would we cut Kramdi. We'd just start a legit IMP SAM like we always used to, and Kramdi dresses as bacukp/rotation SAM and spare DB. Just dress 1 less guy on the weak/middle sides, as we usually dress a zillion anyhow.
Or Kramdi comes out in week 1 looking like the second coming of 2nd-year-with-us Leggett... but then who backs
him up?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 14, 2024, 06:58:18 AMAgreed on Kramdi. But Mafia is very very high on him. I've learned that when they are excited, I should pause my calls for benching! He does seem to be improving all the time.
By no means would we cut Kramdi. We'd just start a legit IMP SAM like we always used to, and Kramdi dresses as bacukp/rotation SAM and spare DB. Just dress 1 less guy on the weak/middle sides, as we usually dress a zillion anyhow.
Or Kramdi comes out in week 1 looking like the second coming of 2nd-year-with-us Leggett... but then who backs him up?
He just turned 27 so he should be a little better from last year, but I have a hard time seeing him take a huge leap to becoming a star. I would say right now he is average at his position.
Let Kramdi be. He was good ìn coverage, didn't have any picks, but picks aren't everything.
If someone pops out as a SAM and beats Kramdi for the job then that's fine, but I certainly have no issue seeing what Kramdi can do over the course of a full season.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 14, 2024, 06:58:18 AMAgreed on Kramdi. But Mafia is very very high on him. I've learned that when they are excited, I should pause my calls for benching! He does seem to be improving all the time.
By no means would we cut Kramdi. We'd just start a legit IMP SAM like we always used to, and Kramdi dresses as bacukp/rotation SAM and spare DB. Just dress 1 less guy on the weak/middle sides, as we usually dress a zillion anyhow.
Or Kramdi comes out in week 1 looking like the second coming of 2nd-year-with-us Leggett... but then who backs him up?
Either way, we're starting more than 7 Canadians. If an import doesn't beat him out, he can be rostered as a non starting / non DI import and be the back up. In that sense he could be a player that can step in at SAM or other positions in the secondary if we have an injury.
The same applies to Ford if he's capable of winning a starting role at CB. The back ups don't have to be Canadians necessarily.
Quote from: Blue In BC on March 14, 2024, 02:18:26 PMEither way, we're stating more than 7 Canadians. If an import doesn't beat him out, he can be rostered as a non starting / non DI import and be the back up. In that sense he could be a player that can step in at SAM or other positions in the secondary if we have an injury.
The same applies to Ford if he's capable of winning a starting role at CB. The back ups don't have to be Canadians necessarily.
That's what people don't seem to understand. The coaching staff would've stuck him at safety and put Alexander at strongside linebacker, if they didn't believe in Kramdi.
We have to stop discriminating against Canadians based on position.
Canadians can play: DE,QB,DHB,SLB,CB
8, potentially 9 starting NATS and we have 10 picks in the draft to deepen that?
And people were thinking we might consider playing a NAT at OT?
We are going to get a free pick every year for the least "fake nat" snaps...
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on March 14, 2024, 02:36:30 PMThat's what people don't seem to understand. The coaching staff would've stuck him at safety and put Alexander at strongside linebacker, if they didn't believe in Kramdi.
We have to stop discriminating against Canadians based on position.
Canadians can play: DE,QB,DHB,SLB,CB
Love it when a Natl. steps up and wins the spot through his own merit, wish more would be given the opportunity to do so.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on March 14, 2024, 02:36:30 PMThat's what people don't seem to understand. The coaching staff would've stuck him at safety and put Alexander at strongside linebacker, if they didn't believe in Kramdi.
We have to stop discriminating against Canadians based on position.
Canadians can play: DE,QB,DHB,SLB,CB
Alexander is made for FS because he can bring the wood. We like a run-and-YAC-punishing FS ever since Loffler. Actually, ever since Hecht, but Hecht's wood would often miss :D :D but A+ for effort.
SAM doesn't need to be physical, just fast and a bit shifty, and with a nose and IQ. Good hands don't hurt.
We all have seen what great IMP SAMs can bring. We aren't seeing that in Kramdi yet. That's why it keeps getting brought up. And no other team wants to regularly start 8 or 9 NATs, like we are probably going to end up doing.
As for discriminating against NATs by position... it's kind of a CFL-wide thing. It's "normal". Find me all the NAT starting DBs (ex-FS)... ya, there ya go. And the NAT OTs. NAT QBs. NAT RBs. NAT #3 SBs. NAT SAMs. NAT WILLs. NAT MLBs. NAT DEs. Even NAT DTs. You can probably find one, maybe two, dudes CFL-wide for each spot, even if you include ratio-fillers.
I think it's fine and natural that IMPs just might be better, and/or more plentiful and thus cheaper, at the IMP-heavy positions. Specialization and economics.
I agree that if someone stands out and earns a starting gig, by all means you go with that guy (until he's priced out of your budget). But remember, the dime-a-dozen spots like DB usually go to ELCs because you can get a bunch cheap. But Kramdi is still on ELC I think, so 6 of 1, half dozen of the other... unless a new ELC IMP can be Moe-like...
In theory the pre-judging of NATs at certain spots kind of sucks for NATs who play that spot, but it does make sense, because so often it's true. It doesn't have to be 100% to be useful to GM/HCs planning their teams.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 14, 2024, 02:59:06 PM8, potentially 9 starting NATS and we have 10 picks in the draft to deepen that?
Ya, it's like backwards world in WPG. Most other teams are desperate to get 7 serviceable real-NATs just to field a team, and end up with at least 1 "ratio-filler" (the "Hurl effect"). And here we are drowning in NATs. We can't keep them away!
Now Ford likely back and likely starting, Kramdi starting... it's crazy. Looks unlikely NAT RT based on the chatter and loss of Gray, so we can at least breathe on that one.
It hasn't made since to me for the 2 seasons we've been regularly doing it. Doesn't make sense to me now. The league and all the other teams are shifting to eliminating more NAT snaps! And we're adding them! Crazy.
The last 2 loser cups... would a real, talented IMP at 8th ratio spot have pushed us over the edge? Margin was slim. Who knows. Makes you go hmmm. Again, our competitors were maximizing IMP snaps, we were insouciant. Hmmm.
If the CFL said tomorrow "there is no ratio", we'd still start 8 NATs, whilst Chris Jones would field a zero-NAT team. Who won the GC during the X-era years with the no-ratio USA teams? Ya, always the no-ratio team except once, eh?
Make it make sense to me, other than our scouts keep coming up empty handed at the not-quite-filled positions (SAM, OT), or at least can't keep up with the numbers game??
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 14, 2024, 03:54:21 PMLove it when a Natl. steps up and wins the spot through his own merit, wish more would be given the opportunity to do so.
They all should have the opportunity to, hopefully. But when busy coaches/GMs have only a couple of minutes to view a couple of plays by 125 guys, they have to have rules of thumb and maximize the use of their time before cut-down day.
If you're a NAT at a IMP-dominated position, you'll really have to stand out, and fast, to win a spot. The only saving grace is drafted NATs who can make the AR on STs do have some time/breathing room to further show what they can do. So there's one win for the current system. That's basically the Kramdi story, eh?
It's a little early to determine if Ford will earn a starting position at CB. Same with Kramdi at SAM or Lawson at DT.
There will be lots of competition at each spot. At worst they will be very good role players, rotational and back ups.
Each may end up being starters or seeing significant playing time.
Lots of XFL/USFL players with playing time coming to camp. Some sound impressive.
It's not unreasonable to think that a few rookie imports may win significant roles early or as the season progresses.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 15, 2024, 03:31:26 AMAlexander is made for FS because he can bring the wood. We like a run-and-YAC-punishing FS ever since Loffler. Actually, ever since Hecht, but Hecht's wood would often miss :D :D but A+ for effort.
SAM doesn't need to be physical, just fast and a bit shifty, and with a nose and IQ. Good hands don't hurt.
We all have seen what great IMP SAMs can bring. We aren't seeing that in Kramdi yet. That's why it keeps getting brought up. And no other team wants to regularly start 8 or 9 NATs, like we are probably going to end up doing.
As for discriminating against NATs by position... it's kind of a CFL-wide thing. It's "normal". Find me all the NAT starting DBs (ex-FS)... ya, there ya go. And the NAT OTs. NAT QBs. NAT RBs. NAT #3 SBs. NAT SAMs. NAT WILLs. NAT MLBs. NAT DEs. Even NAT DTs. You can probably find one, maybe two, dudes CFL-wide for each spot, even if you include ratio-fillers.
I think it's fine and natural that IMPs just might be better, and/or more plentiful and thus cheaper, at the IMP-heavy positions. Specialization and economics.
I agree that if someone stands out and earns a starting gig, by all means you go with that guy (until he's priced out of your budget). But remember, the dime-a-dozen spots like DB usually go to ELCs because you can get a bunch cheap. But Kramdi is still on ELC I think, so 6 of 1, half dozen of the other... unless a new ELC IMP can be Moe-like...
In theory the pre-judging of NATs at certain spots kind of sucks for NATs who play that spot, but it does make sense, because so often it's true. It doesn't have to be 100% to be useful to GM/HCs planning their teams.
I totally disagree with you. Every teams would LOVE to have 8-9 starting level Nats. Every additional Nat starter gives you a DI. And if you lose a Nat starter in game, its no where near the issue. No changing half the field to put in a Nat backup at a different position. Drop in your backup at that spot, Nat or DI without changing any other positions.
Yes, most Nats come at a premium over Americans, but with Nats now coming in ready to play and under 3 year ELC's, its not the $SMS burden it used to be. And if you draft good, when they age out and getbetter offer$ elsewhere, next man up.
Quote from: Blue In BC on March 15, 2024, 12:12:32 PMIt's a little early to determine if Ford will earn a starting position at CB. Same with Kramdi at SAM or Lawson at DT.
There will be lots of competition at each spot. At worst they will be very good role players, rotational and back ups.
Each may end up being starters or seeing significant playing time.
Lots of XFL/USFL players with playing time coming to camp. Some sound impressive.
It's not unreasonable to think that a few rookie imports may win significant roles early or as the season progresses.
With 3 potential Natl. positions on defence covered by Lawson/Jake, Kramdi and Ford they may no longer be looking for the elusive Natl. DE who can rotate in effectively. Kongbo is still out there, but it appears no teams are interested in paying him what he thinks he's worth.
Sure but we may find the next Sayles, Alford, Jeffcoat in TC. A rookie may not start the season as a starter but could be viewed as a longer term solution.
In the meantime, several of our Canadians could start and continue to progress. Lawson and Ford in particular should be better in 2024. Thomas is on the downside but still adds skill and leadership.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 15, 2024, 03:31:26 AMAlexander is made for FS because he can bring the wood. We like a run-and-YAC-punishing FS ever since Loffler. Actually, ever since Hecht, but Hecht's wood would often miss :D :D but A+ for effort.
SAM doesn't need to be physical, just fast and a bit shifty, and with a nose and IQ. Good hands don't hurt.
We all have seen what great IMP SAMs can bring. We aren't seeing that in Kramdi yet. That's why it keeps getting brought up. And no other team wants to regularly start 8 or 9 NATs, like we are probably going to end up doing.
As for discriminating against NATs by position... it's kind of a CFL-wide thing. It's "normal". Find me all the NAT starting DBs (ex-FS)... ya, there ya go. And the NAT OTs. NAT QBs. NAT RBs. NAT #3 SBs. NAT SAMs. NAT WILLs. NAT MLBs. NAT DEs. Even NAT DTs. You can probably find one, maybe two, dudes CFL-wide for each spot, even if you include ratio-fillers.
I think it's fine and natural that IMPs just might be better, and/or more plentiful and thus cheaper, at the IMP-heavy positions. Specialization and economics.
I agree that if someone stands out and earns a starting gig, by all means you go with that guy (until he's priced out of your budget). But remember, the dime-a-dozen spots like DB usually go to ELCs because you can get a bunch cheap. But Kramdi is still on ELC I think, so 6 of 1, half dozen of the other... unless a new ELC IMP can be Moe-like...
In theory the pre-judging of NATs at certain spots kind of sucks for NATs who play that spot, but it does make sense, because so often it's true. It doesn't have to be 100% to be useful to GM/HCs planning their teams.
Of course the SAM needs to be physical, they are playing closer to the line, than the safety is. Their job is to help stop the run, whereas the safety is more the last line of defense.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 15, 2024, 03:31:26 AMI think it's fine and natural that IMPs just might be better, and/or more plentiful and thus cheaper, at the IMP-heavy positions. Specialization and economics.
I agree that if someone stands out and earns a starting gig, by all means you go with that guy (until he's priced out of your budget). But remember, the dime-a-dozen spots like DB usually go to ELCs because you can get a bunch cheap. But Kramdi is still on ELC I think, so 6 of 1, half dozen of the other... unless a new ELC IMP can be Moe-like...
Kramdi has been with the Bombers since 2021, I don't know how many contracts he's gone through so far, but he was re-signed again 12/19/23, so you know they like what they see. He went from a ST player to beating out more experienced imports (Lawrence + Darby)for his job, so I don't expect him to be displaced anytime soon, even by Ford. He brings more grit than skill to his position but also seems to have a high football IQ, maybe he communicates well, much like Biggie and Alexander. O'Shea might be the only coach in the league that would give him the chance to develop into a ratio breaker.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 15, 2024, 08:28:21 PMKramdi has been with the Bombers since 2021, I don't know how many contracts he's gone through so far, but he was re-signed again 12/19/23, so you know they like what they see. He went from a ST player to beating out more experienced imports (Lawrence + Darby)for his job, so I don't expect him to be displaced anytime soon, even by Ford. He brings more grit than skill to his position but also seems to have a high football IQ, maybe he communicates well, much like Biggie and Alexander. O'Shea might be the only coach in the league that would give him the chance to develop into a ratio breaker.
Ford won't compete at SAM with Kramdi. He'll compete to start at CB. At this point we don't really know which of the many rookie DB's will be possible SAM candidates. So it's Kramdi's spot to lose going into TC.
Kramdi didn't appear to be getting beat or out of position on TV. That's a good place in the development curve. If he starts getting we'll know his football IQ is increasing.
Quote from: Blue In BC on March 15, 2024, 09:07:05 PMFord won't compete at SAM with Kramdi. He'll compete to start at CB. At this point we don't really know which of the many rookie DB's will be possible SAM candidates. So it's Kramdi's spot to lose going into TC.
Kramdi didn't appear to be getting beat or out of position on TV. That's a good place in the development curve. If he starts getting we'll know his football IQ is increasing.
I realize that, but if Ford wins his spot at CB they'll have the the option of reducing the ratio at SAM or DT. I don't think either is going to happen unless injuries come into play.
Ford could very easily slip into Sam if the bombers needed him to. He is a little bigger than Kramdi and with his 4.42/40 speed he is very quick. The kid is a swiss arm knife and is going to be very valuable to the Bombers. He can play CB, Safety, or Sam if required. You might also see him returning some kick this season.
I see Kramdi starting at LB and Ford at DB, but lots yet to be determined.
Ford will be good but will take some time.
If we have 8-9 starting NAT's, I'd go out and find a stud DT and replace the Thomas/Lawson combo....they simply don't get any type of push or heat on the Qb
Quote from: dd on March 15, 2024, 11:29:34 PMIf we have 8-9 starting NAT's, I'd go out and find a stud DT and replace the Thomas/Lawson combo....they simply don't get any type of push or heat on the Qb
if we could find a stud dt we'd replace Walker's position with him. Lawton was/is just as effective as Fox. Likely why Fox saw such limited time last year on main roster.
Quote from: dd on March 15, 2024, 11:29:34 PMIf we have 8-9 starting NAT's, I'd go out and find a stud DT and replace the Thomas/Lawson combo....they simply don't get any type of push or heat on the Qb
Did you even watch Thomas/Lawson last year. Both made plays.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on March 16, 2024, 01:11:34 PMDid you even watch Thomas/Lawson last year. Both made plays.
Ya, I can count them both on one hand. Jefferson made more plays when they moved him inside , showing me put an athlete in there and more things will happen. We presently have space fillers in there, we need someone who's a beast and commands a double team. The only way Thomas makes a play is when the play goes the other way and is pushed back to him, he's always training the play and the only way he makes plays now is by accident
Quote from: dd on March 16, 2024, 01:48:49 PMYa, I can count them both on one hand. Jefferson made more plays when they moved him inside , showing me put an athlete in there and more things will happen. We presently have space fillers in there, we need someone who's a beast and commands a double team. The only way Thomas makes a play is when the play goes the other way and is pushed back to him, he's always training the play and the only way he makes plays now is by accident
That's quite the interpretation. Thomas got doubleteamed lots, and most DT's make plays that you claim are accidents. The key is, contain the play and be ready to make a play. Thomas does penetrate, and disrupt. Lawson is improving at that as well.
Are they the best DT's in the league? No one claimed that. But they are far from the worst, and are Nat to boot.
Would I want to be starting both? Nope. But I'm not opposed to rotating them..
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on March 15, 2024, 06:27:43 PMOf course the SAM needs to be physical, they are playing closer to the line, than the safety is. Their job is to help stop the run, whereas the safety is more the last line of defense.
I think our FS has been more physical than our SAMs for a few years now. The only SAM we had since before Moe that I'd call "physical run stopper" would be Gaitor -- and maybe a slight nod to Rutledge. Moe, Darby, Kramdi, etc, not so much. I can't think of a single Kramdi "ooooh, ouch" hit on a RB at all, whereas we all have seen plenty by Alexander.
When we're talking LBers, it's WILL that has to have more beef and is more active in the run game (and it goes without saying: MAC).
Case in point, how many times do you remember Kramdi making big stops in the run game against a beefy RB in 2023? Not many. How did Kramdi do stopping that Cody strong-side run in the GC that probably lost us the game? Wasn't even in the picture.
And I'm not even saying it's all on Kramdi: he's clearly playing to the scheme, and our scheme has the SAM chasing the slot rather than hanging around for the runner.
In fact, in my rewatch of 2023 (about 1/3rd way through) it's more often Holm coming up to stop the run in a hole than Kramdi.
Quote from: theaardvark on March 16, 2024, 03:36:08 PMThat's quite the interpretation. Thomas got doubleteamed lots, and most DT's make plays that you claim are accidents.
Ya, like that embarrassing last-series "sack" that probably lost the '23 GC for us... or was that a DE? In any event, dude was just hanging around getting pushed around by Big Stan, and got lucky Zach ran right into his mitts.
Still counts as a sack, and still a very important play that can win you games.
Fatboi's forte is being smart about tying up more than just 1 player. MOS is all about the chess game of winning the numbers. He always says (said?) that's why he loves the Strev packages: because now you're +1 on the numbers since the QB is not taken out of the equation in 3s like Zach usually is.
Fatboi is good at sealing and occupying and distracting 2 OL or OL+blocker so the real play can be made to get behind the LoS. He's not so good at shedding if he's being held (not enough beef). I think Fatboi had a great year in 2023 and I can see why we're keeping him around another year. Surely there's some plan to have him a part of the historic 2025 season too, when we win it all at home. Could Fatboi have a DL coach-y role in 2025?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 17, 2024, 01:56:04 AMI think our FS has been more physical than our SAMs for a few years now. The only SAM we had since before Moe that I'd call "physical run stopper" would be Gaitor -- and maybe a slight nod to Rutledge. Moe, Darby, Kramdi, etc, not so much. I can't think of a single Kramdi "ooooh, ouch" hit on a RB at all, whereas we all have seen plenty by Alexander.
When we're talking LBers, it's WILL that has to have more beef and is more active in the run game (and it goes without saying: MAC).
Case in point, how many times do you remember Kramdi making big stops in the run game against a beefy RB in 2023? Not many. How did Kramdi do stopping that Cody strong-side run in the GC that probably lost us the game? Wasn't even in the picture.
And I'm not even saying it's all on Kramdi: he's clearly playing to the scheme, and our scheme has the SAM chasing the slot rather than hanging around for the runner.
In fact, in my rewatch of 2023 (about 1/3rd way through) it's more often Holm coming up to stop the run in a hole than Kramdi.
He made a couple, but than again your biased against Kramdi probably clouds your memory.
I would be keeping an eye on mathieu betts and how things work out for him in Detroit, if he gets cut there, I'd be making a hard run at him as he's a stud NAT D lineman if there ever was one
Quote from: dd on March 17, 2024, 05:44:58 PMI would be keeping an eye on mathieu betts and how things work out for him in Detroit, if he gets cut there, I'd be making a hard run at him as he's a stud NAT D lineman if there ever was one
We don't need / can't afford a high priced DT, we don't need a starting NAT at a premium.
We need the next stove, sayles, walker. ELC guy that slots in well.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on March 17, 2024, 12:27:13 PMHe made a couple, but than again your biased against Kramdi probably clouds your memory.
I'm not biased against Kramdi: I think he is good, and would love to see him improve to the same level as Moe at his peak.
I
am biased against starting 8 or 9 NATs when traditionally IMPs were better and cheaper at those superfluous positions. If it was superior, then every team would do it.
By all means keep giving Kramdi his shot, and maybe he becomes the best NAT SAM ever, who knows. But it's still a gamble, and still against the norm, and still a bit of a shock to hardcore CFL fans. And while we didn't really see Kramdi on a bad whiff costing us games in '23, we also often were sitting there watching a wide open flat being torn up by the opponent wondering "hey, where's our SAM?".
But like I said, Mafia usually knows best, and MOS often picks for attributes you can't always see on-field. But if a superb IMP ELC SAM shows up in TC, that'll be the first place we switch starters.
Quote from: dd on March 17, 2024, 05:44:58 PMI would be keeping an eye on mathieu betts and how things work out for him in Detroit, if he gets cut there, I'd be making a hard run at him as he's a stud NAT D lineman if there ever was one
Then we can start 10 NATs, weeeeeeeeeeee! ;) ;)
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 17, 2024, 08:29:39 PMThen we can start 10 NATs, weeeeeeeeeeee! ;) ;)
No, then we would have a killer D line again!!
Quote from: dd on March 17, 2024, 05:44:58 PMI would be keeping an eye on mathieu betts and how things work out for him in Detroit, if he gets cut there, I'd be making a hard run at him as he's a stud NAT D lineman if there ever was one
we can't afford him. If we had the cap space we would have gone after Hendrix, Robertson or even AC leonard. A national isn't relevant as we have enough starting. Heck we couldn't even afford Kongbo or Walker
Betts gets a lot of deserved credit for his 18 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. But beyond that, he was average at best as a defender. Agree we probably can't afford him if he returns to the CFL but I have confidence we will find a decent replacement for Jeffcoat (I believe we did well in re-signing the core players we had as free agents).
Count me as out on Betts for any price.
Quote from: Jesse on March 18, 2024, 11:00:09 AMCount me as out on Betts for any price.
Betts may be a bit of a 1 trick pony in that he gets sacks but fails in other responsibilities of a DE. That siad, for the right price he'd be valuable when you need pressure on the QB.
He isn't worth what he's asking but for $100K a team would be foolish to not sign him. Obviously he's not going to sign for that little but just making a point. There is a point where the value of any player is measured against his contribution / effectiveness.
We will have to develop and find some guys to fill our holes next couple of camps, the low and slow approach to developing our defense will work again. I just wish we could retain them longer but that's how the CFL biz works.
Quote from: ModAdmin on March 18, 2024, 03:41:43 AMBetts gets a lot of deserved credit for his 18 sacks and 4 forced fumbles. But beyond that, he was average at best as a defender. Agree we probably can't afford him if he returns to the CFL but I have confidence we will find a decent replacement for Jeffcoat (I believe we did well in re-signing the core players we had as free agents).
Did you take into account pressures, tackles for loss, knockdown?
AC Leonard hinting at retirement.
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Still think he would be a great counterpoint to Willie, but if the team had that kind of money, they could have retained Jeffcoat.
Quote from: CrazyCanuck89 on March 18, 2024, 07:32:06 PMDid you take into account pressures, tackles for loss, knockdown?
Did not analyze all his stats. Just going by my personal observations. He was 37th in defensive stats last year so nothing monumental.
Quote from: Blue In BC on March 18, 2024, 02:18:45 PMBetts may be a bit of a 1 trick pony in that he gets sacks but fails in other responsibilities of a DE. That siad, for the right price he'd be valuable when you need pressure on the QB.
He isn't worth what he's asking but for $100K a team would be foolish to not sign him. Obviously he's not going to sign for that little but just making a point. There is a point where the value of any player is measured against his contribution / effectiveness.
I m thinking he's going to go through the NFL process and will come at a discount, and face it, our D line is going to suffer with the loss of Jeffcoat, it is, signing a stud like Betts at a reduced SMS hit just makes sense for us
Quote from: dd on March 18, 2024, 09:55:05 PMI m thinking he's going to go through the NFL process and will come at a discount, and face it, our D line is going to suffer with the loss of Jeffcoat, it is, signing a stud like Betts at a reduced SMS hit just makes sense for us
A discount perhaps and due to the fact he may not return to the CFL until mid season. Not every team will have SMS or interest at that point.
Every team including the Bombers may have found the next Jeffcoat or at least a very good 1st year player. Injuries might come into play regarding the need of a given team along with SMS moved to 6 game IR etc etc.
So I wouldn't rule him out but I'm not interested in paying him a high SMS at any point.
Looks like we've signed an offensive tackle; Larnel Coleman 6'6 307 lbs, has good size and agility for a cfl tackle
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2940322-larnel-coleman-nfl-draft-2021-scouting-report-for-miami-dolphins-ot
Quote from: dd on March 18, 2024, 09:55:05 PMI m thinking he's going to go through the NFL process and will come at a discount, and face it, our D line is going to suffer with the loss of Jeffcoat, it is, signing a stud like Betts at a reduced SMS hit just makes sense for us
If anyone is going to have no $SMS, its going to be us... No chance we can find a way to sign Betts unless we lose a couple of high $SMS players to injury and have that relief. But even then, unless we have sero luck replacing our Dlinemen, I can't see Betts being a priority...
It's a stretch to see Betts sticking in the NFL. He will be back and it all depends on who has some extra cash at that point to sign him. Odds are he will likely re-sign with the Lions.
Quote from: ModAdmin on March 19, 2024, 05:22:02 AMIt's a stretch to see Betts sticking in the NFL. He will be back and it all depends on who has some extra cash at that point to sign him. Odds are he will likely re-sign with the Lions.
He won't be back until the season has started if he returns, and by that time, someone is going to either be injured, or found to be past his due date, and there will be a hole to fill. 8 out of 9 times that will not be BC, and I can't see Betts signing in BC for that much o a discount. 50/50 at best he ends up in BC. Given Machiocha's mid season FA acquisition bent, I can see him just as likely in MTL.
Here's a scary thought, what happens if Willie gets hurt??!! Never say never to picking up an impact D end at a reduced price. We ll see how this plays out and how our D line does without Jeffcoat, but as I recall when he was hurt our D line was average at best. That ain't gonna get it done for us this year. We spent sooo much on O and we re limping on our D line
Quote from: theaardvark on March 19, 2024, 01:56:25 PMand I can't see Betts signing in BC for that much o a discount. 50/50 at best he ends up in BC.
Who knows where Betts ends up, but he
will be a hot commodity. He'll command at least $40k over Kongbo, maybe much much more. Arguably the best NAT DL out there, and it's a ratio-busting position to start a NAT.
No way WPG can get in on the bidding, but in magical fairy land if he was ELC$ I'd take him in a heartbeat. He seems a bit "weird", but that doesn't mean he wouldn't fit in.
Quote from: dd on March 20, 2024, 12:18:45 AMHere's a scary thought, what happens if Willie gets hurt??!!
Never gonna happen. Have you seen Willie? Job #1 for Willie is keeping Willie healthy. Job #2 is being the best DE. It's a trade-off I've accepted long ago. I don't even moan about it anymore.
Just watch Willie. He's like a cat. He rolls with every single fall. It's an amazing thing that more people should notice. He reminds me of good judo guys, and I have little doubt he has studied judo. He knows how to fall better than anyone.
He stays away from piles or gang tackles unless it's the post-season (even then...). When the play has passed, he rarely chases (at best jogs). He has an uncanny sense of where each part of his body is, and is good at withdrawing it from danger.
He never gets whacked. He never gets rolled up on. He never gets piled on.
And he's the best there is. And I think he's dressed for every game since he joined? If not, it was early in his stint that he missed some, since I don't remember them. What DE can you say dresses & starts for every game each season? It tends to be a high-attrition position (remember Kongbo? Jeffcoat?).
Nah, I'm not concerned about Willie getting hurt. The more likely scenario is age catches up with him and he tapers off like Odell... but I think we have a couple of years before that happens.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 20, 2024, 03:11:40 AMWho knows where Betts ends up, but he will be a hot commodity. He'll command at least $40k over Kongbo, maybe much much more. Arguably the best NAT DL out there, and it's a ratio-busting position to start a NAT.
No way WPG can get in on the bidding, but in magical fairy land if he was ELC$ I'd take him in a heartbeat. He seems a bit "weird", but that doesn't mean he wouldn't fit in.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Montreal pick up Betts if he becomes available. They've already shown to be aggressive in season (last year both Sankey and Lemon were midseason additions) and they likely have the most cap space.
The only case where Betts is on our radar is if Willie is out of the picture... but even then, we don't need teh NAT premium...
Quote from: Pete on March 20, 2024, 04:25:54 PMI wouldn't be surprised to see Montreal pick up Betts if he becomes available. They've already shown to be aggressive in season (last year both Sankey and Lemon were midseason additions) and they likely have the most cap space.
Is Betts a francophone? I thought he sounded funny in on-field interviews. Seems like a mumbler so it's hard to tell what's going on there. Anyhow, my point being that MTL explicitly admits they prioritize francophones when evaluating players. So you very well could be right...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 20, 2024, 03:19:42 AMNever gonna happen. Have you seen Willie? Job #1 for Willie is keeping Willie healthy. Job #2 is being the best DE. It's a trade-off I've accepted long ago. I don't even moan about it anymore.
Just watch Willie. He's like a cat. He rolls with every single fall. It's an amazing thing that more people should notice. He reminds me of good judo guys, and I have little doubt he has studied judo. He knows how to fall better than anyone.
He stays away from piles or gang tackles unless it's the post-season (even then...). When the play has passed, he rarely chases (at best jogs). He has an uncanny sense of where each part of his body is, and is good at withdrawing it from danger.
He never gets whacked. He never gets rolled up on. He never gets piled on.
And he's the best there is. And I think he's dressed for every game since he joined? If not, it was early in his stint that he missed some, since I don't remember them. What DE can you say dresses & starts for every game each season? It tends to be a high-attrition position (remember Kongbo? Jeffcoat?).
Nah, I'm not concerned about Willie getting hurt. The more likely scenario is age catches up with him and he tapers off like Odell... but I think we have a couple of years before that happens.
I hear what you're saying, yes indeed he does take care of himself, but I never like to say never. He lines up sometimes as a DT, and if ever he was going to get hurt, it would be by a cut block. Hope it never happens but if it does, we'll be in the market for an impact DE, hello Mr. Betts
Quote from: TecnoGenius on March 20, 2024, 07:54:09 PMIs Betts a francophone? I thought he sounded funny in on-field interviews. Seems like a mumbler so it's hard to tell what's going on there. Anyhow, my point being that MTL explicitly admits they prioritize francophones when evaluating players. So you very well could be right...
Know anyone English that spells Matthew, "Mathieu"? Plenty of weird spelling for common names nowadays, but that ain't one of them. Born in Montreal, played football at Laval, learned to speak English last Tuesday.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on March 21, 2024, 01:24:30 AMKnow anyone English that spells Matthew, "Mathieu"? Plenty of weird spelling for common names nowadays, but that ain't one of them. Born in Montreal, played football at Laval, learned to speak English last Tuesday.
Not only that, I believe he's done some teaching in Quebec in the off-seasons.
Quote from: Stretch on March 21, 2024, 05:55:44 PMNot only that, I believe he's done some teaching in Quebec in the off-seasons.
So Montreal it is!!
Quote from: dd on March 22, 2024, 12:22:49 AMSo Montreal it is!!
Ya, they'll be drooling over him, alright. I bet Mr. Glasses has already budgeted space for him.
The funny thing is, I rewatched the painful early '23 loss to BC and Betts was killing us, and I think TSN was showing and talking about how "Bowman" was teaching Betts all the tricks. If that's Mr MTL DL Bowman then it all circles back to MTL, eh? I wonder if BC realized they just had a "rental"...
P.S. On-air they always just say "Matthew", I had no idea it was spelled any other way. Ya, it's a tip-off alright.
Another great Streveler interview, he exudes such a positive attitude it's contagious.