With so many players in a out in this game, it is difficult to make real assessments but here goes...
The Good
Oliveira, Collaros, Bighill, Lawler, Brown, Bailey.
Oliveira and Demski's 1,000+ and 1000+.
No Zach or Dru interceptions.
3 Bomber turnovers and 4 sacks.
8 and 1 record at home this season.
Holding Elks Ford to just 14 yards rushing.
The Bad
Bomber Penalties (some although suspect).
ST breakdowns at times including the the TD return by Elks 81.
Eugene Lewis' 7 catches for 158 yards.
The Ugly
The unsportsman call on Hardrick. Lame to say the least.
Good- sellout crowd for a meaningless game in late October
-Dru Brown looking like he's ready to start
-Olivera of course
-defensive line owning the Elks O line
- appeared to get through game injury free
Bad-kick return TD
-smell coming from Regina
-weak halftime show
Ugly-Bombers taking a misconduct penalty [that's what our opponents do, not us]
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The only other bad may be Parker and rose appeared to be weaker, Parker seems to get more than his share of interference calls, while rose gets beat a few times each game.
The other good is how richie hall at half time makes adjustments every game, again in 2nd half we shut them down on defense. (the only td was a kickoff return)
Quote from: ModAdmin on October 22, 2023, 04:52:48 AM
With so many players in a out in this game, it is difficult to make real assessments but here goes...
The Good
Oliveira, Collaros, Bighill, Lawler, Brown, Bailey.
Oliveira and Demski's 1,000+ and 1000+.
No Zach or Dru interceptions.
3 Bomber turnovers and 4 sacks.
8 and 1 record at home this season.
Holding Elks Ford to just 14 yards rushing.
The Bad
Bomber Penalties (some although suspect).
ST breakdowns at times including the the TD return by Elks 81.
Eugene Lewis' 7 catches for 158 yards.
The Ugly
The unsportsman call on Hardrick. Lame to say the least.
Quote from: Pete on October 22, 2023, 05:31:02 PM
The only other bad may be Parker and rose appeared to be weaker, Parker seems to get more than his share of interference calls, while rose gets beat a few times each game.
The other good is how richie hall at half time makes adjustments every game, again in 2nd half we shut them down on defense. (the only td was a kickoff return)
Worried about Rose again, he seems to get beat on a long gainer or TD run almost every game lately, he should not be matched up against the other teams best receiver, give that job to Parker.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 22, 2023, 06:51:40 PM
Worried about Rose again, he seems to get beat on a long gainer or TD run almost every game lately, he should not be matched up against the other teams best receiver, give that job to Parker.
Pretty sure Nichols is the one who gets the opponent's top SB. But Rose does need to up his game when it comes to sticking with his assignment instead of peeking at the QB. I still have faith in Rose, he'll be fine in the post-season.
Quote from: bwiser on October 22, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
Ugly-Bombers taking a misconduct penalty [that's what our opponents do, not us]
You said it; that shocked me. I haven't TV-watched the game yet so I don't know if it was legit or not. IGF jumbotron was horrifically bad for replays; even worse than usual.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 22, 2023, 06:51:40 PM
Worried about Rose again, he seems to get beat on a long gainer or TD run almost every game lately, he should not be matched up against the other teams best receiver, give that job to Parker.
Dunnigan's comment about Rose being an old man trying to run down an old man (Manny A) were spot on.
Quote from: VictorRomano on October 22, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
Dunnigan's comment about Rose being an old man trying to run down an old man (Manny A) were spot on.
Rose is only 29! But that straight arm ....yikes. Cost us 40 more yards.
Rose has been getting pushed around like a child out on the field. Definitely an area of concern, and guaranteed offenses will be going after him
Quote from: dd on October 23, 2023, 12:01:08 AM
Rose has been getting pushed around like a child out on the field. Definitely an area of concern, and guaranteed offenses will be going after him
Then maybe we should scheme up Rose to cover the smaller receivers of the opponent. If they put their big body receivers on him, switch him to the other side.
GOOD
Watch Biggie 3Q11:27 when he slows down the carrier on a run play. He does something I'm not sure I've ever seen before. He gets pushed down by a blocker, so he's on all 4's, the carrier is running outside of him, and somehow Biggie manages to basically instantly make a second lunge from all 4's, like a feline, and gets the ankle and holds him just long enough to slow him down so the other guys come in an finish him off around the LoS. The icing on the cake is I think the carrier is also stiff-arming the top of his helmet to keep him down, and Biggie still pulls it off!
This is an insane play, and it just goes by without hardly anyone taking notice.
I think Biggie still has another season in him!
McCrae's 4Q13:54 TD is an amazing scheme and great route by McCrae (and Lawler as clearing). Pre-snap they shuffle McCrae out from RB and show JA27 coming in to replace him as RB. This gets Moragn (huge MLB) covering McCrae on the out route in the flat. Ya, good luck with that. Accurate throw by Dru == TD. This is a new play for us. Brilliant. Fun.
UGLY
3Q1:25 Grant getting taken down by his hair on his biggest return. If he doesn't have that impediment of a hairdo he either breaks free or gets a free 15Y from a horsecollar tackle. Tuck it in your jersey Grant!! Or just chop it off.
The KO return TD by EDM#81, there's almost certainly an illegal block putting the guy who would be directly in 81's path on the turf with an EDM guy standing over him with hands on his numbers. Unfortunately we only get to see the end result of that IB in the corner of the screen on the 1st replay. No other angles show it.
Can't make out who it was, but he was white, and not Holm Hansen Hallett. So maybe Briggs or Cadwall? Anyhow, it wasn't a clean/fair run like I first thought @IGF. The key tell was that massive hole with 5 EDM guys running through it unimpeded. It was chicanery-aided. I noticed TSN (nor the jumbotron) showed any replays (like the all-24) that would have clearly shown the IB. But that's ok, it happens, and we were still winning no matter what. Gives the guys something to work on before the WDF so it doesn't happen again.
UGLY GOOD
4Q0:16 Fatboi chases carrier Moore 25Y down the field and makes the final tackle with a full-body pancake at speed. If I'm lightweight Moore, I'm not liking that. Great hustle by Fatboi even though the game was over. Anytime he pancakes someone, I'm a happy camper.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 23, 2023, 08:08:57 AM
UGLY GOOD
4Q0:16 Fatboi chases carrier Moore 25Y down the field and makes the final tackle with a full-body pancake at speed. If I'm lightweight Moore, I'm not liking that. Great hustle by Fatboi even though the game was over. Anytime he pancakes someone, I'm a happy camper.
That was impressive
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 23, 2023, 05:20:59 AM
GOOD
Watch Biggie 3Q11:27 when he slows down the carrier on a run play. He does something I'm not sure I've ever seen before. He gets pushed down by a blocker, so he's on all 4's, the carrier is running outside of him, and somehow Biggie manages to basically instantly make a second lunge from all 4's, like a feline, and gets the ankle and holds him just long enough to slow him down so the other guys come in an finish him off around the LoS. The icing on the cake is I think the carrier is also stiff-arming the top of his helmet to keep him down, and Biggie still pulls it off!
This is an insane play, and it just goes by without hardly anyone taking notice.
I think Biggie still has another season in him!
McCrae's 4Q13:54 TD is an amazing scheme and great route by McCrae (and Lawler as clearing). Pre-snap they shuffle McCrae out from RB and show JA27 coming in to replace him as RB. This gets Moragn (huge MLB) covering McCrae on the out route in the flat. Ya, good luck with that. Accurate throw by Dru == TD. This is a new play for us. Brilliant. Fun.
UGLY
3Q1:25 Grant getting taken down by his hair on his biggest return. If he doesn't have that impediment of a hairdo he either breaks free or gets a free 15Y from a horsecollar tackle. Tuck it in your jersey Grant!! Or just chop it off.
The KO return TD by EDM#81, there's almost certainly an illegal block putting the guy who would be directly in 81's path on the turf with an EDM guy standing over him with hands on his numbers. Unfortunately we only get to see the end result of that IB in the corner of the screen on the 1st replay. No other angles show it.
Can't make out who it was, but he was white, and not Holm Hansen Hallett. So maybe Briggs or Cadwall? Anyhow, it wasn't a clean/fair run like I first thought @IGF. The key tell was that massive hole with 5 EDM guys running through it unimpeded. It was chicanery-aided. I noticed TSN (nor the jumbotron) showed any replays (like the all-24) that would have clearly shown the IB. But that's ok, it happens, and we were still winning no matter what. Gives the guys something to work on before the WDF so it doesn't happen again.
Yes, I saw the IB on that return right away and thought the refs would throw the flag. The Edm player clearly pushes the Bomber player in the back causing him to fall past the returner.
Quote from: Horseman on October 23, 2023, 03:37:03 PM
Yes, I saw the IB on that return right away and thought the refs would throw the flag. The Edm player clearly pushes the Bomber player in the back causing him to fall past the returner.
I thought it was on #16 Jake Kelly or #3 Hansen Okay I texted the Coach's show and he said no.
Quote from: barbk on October 24, 2023, 12:10:04 AM
I thought it was on #16 Jake Kelly or #3 Hansen Okay I texted the Coach's show and he said no.
It wasn't Hansen. I listed all the white guys I confirmed elsewhere on the field. I forgot about Kelly: makes perfect sense if it's him. Makes me wonder where Briggs was, though? Is he even seeing the field much lately?
The Coach said "no" to what... to there being an IB? So he saw the whole film and it was a legit block / falling down? Sometimes MOS lies to ensure he doesn't throw anyone under the bus, however I don't see how telling us there was an IB could throw anyone under the bus.
Quote from: bwiser on October 22, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
Good- sellout crowd for a meaningless game in late October
-Dru Brown looking like he's ready to start
-Olivera of course
-defensive line owning the Elks O line
- appeared to get through game injury free
Bad-kick return TD
-smell coming from Regina
-weak halftime show
Ugly-Bombers taking a misconduct penalty [that's what our opponents do, not us]
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Halftime shows are usually weak here. We aint Vancouver money here being community owned. Though the Darcy Oake show that one game was cool. I ignore them now.
I'm worried about losing Dru, but I hope we don't. He does look ready to start and I'd love him to be the successor to Zach in a few years, but not sure it's right to ask him to wait that long.
Brown could start for Ottawa right now and should be given the chance and I hope he gets it
Quote from: dd on October 24, 2023, 10:38:43 PM
Brown could start for Ottawa right now and should be given the chance and I hope he gets it
Masoli is extended through the 2024 season, so they would have to make a decision on his future if they signed Brown, maybe cut him before a bonus is due. I don't think he received any guaranteed money as that didn't really start until the past off-season.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 25, 2023, 12:56:05 AM
Masoli is extended through the 2024 season, so they would have to make a decision on his future if they signed Brown, maybe cut him before a bonus is due. I don't think if he received any guaranteed money as that didn't really start until the past off-season.
Ottawa would be out of their minds to bank on masoli after two total washout seasons. Dru brown will have a couple suitors I think. Would not put it past the madman in Edmonton to go after him.
Quote from: tlf on October 24, 2023, 09:46:57 PM
Halftime shows are usually weak here. We aint Vancouver money here being community owned. Though the Darcy Oake show that one game was cool. I ignore them now.
Ya, the magic show was awesome, and my son loved it. The second best was the military rappellers. I also like the dogs. Can't go wrong with dogs.
And the T-shirt dancing "plant" guy mid-season. That was funny and entertaining. (Though not a halftime show.)
But hey don't bash the last show as it was just school kids, and they're doing their best! It's important they get chances to publicly perform.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 25, 2023, 01:12:11 AM
Ottawa would be out of their minds to bank on masoli after two total washout seasons. Dru brown will have a couple suitors I think. Would not put it past the madman in Edmonton to go after him.
Ya you'd think. But surely Masoli can't have another achilles or ACL. Surely! I said it last year, I'll say it again this year. OTT will need a strong backup plan, though, if they do roll with Masoli.
If Dru leaves us, I wouldn't be against us picking up a cheaper Masoli as #2...
Quote from: TecnoGenius on October 25, 2023, 01:18:27 AM
Ya you'd think. But surely Masoli can't have another achilles or ACL. Surely! I said it last year, I'll say it again this year. OTT will need a strong backup plan, though, if they do roll with Masoli.
If Dru leaves us, I wouldn't be against us picking up a cheaper Masoli as #2...
Ottawa can?t keep gambling on a oft injured qb for a starter anymore (Nichols, masoli) so they will be going after somebody if the GM has any brains.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 25, 2023, 02:00:08 AM
Ottawa can?t keep gambling on a oft injured qb for a starter anymore (Nichols, masoli) so they will be going after somebody if the GM has any brains.
To be fair to Burke, I don't think anyone anticipated Masoli suffering a non-contact injury when he was re-signed. Not sure I'd qualify that move as a gamble on the GM's part.
Quote from: ichabod_crane on October 25, 2023, 01:12:11 AM
Ottawa would be out of their minds to bank on masoli after two total washout seasons. Dru brown will have a couple suitors I think. Would not put it past the madman in Edmonton to go after him.
You don't give Dru starters money when you have captured lightning in a bottle with Ford.
Ottawa, maybe, although I think Strev might get a look there. MTL might also look, and depending on Mitchells retirement, Ham might be in the market.
Just not sure any team can offer Dru a full starting salary, which would make WPG the optimal spot for him to continue.
Quote from: theaardvark on October 25, 2023, 02:19:16 PM
You don't give Dru starters money when you have captured lightning in a bottle with Ford.
Ottawa, maybe, although I think Strev might get a look there. MTL might also look, and depending on Mitchells retirement, Ham might be in the market.
Just not sure any team can offer Dru a full starting salary, which would make WPG the optimal spot for him to continue.
Lightning in a bottle is a
BIG stretch. He ended up going 2-5 down the stretch and 0-4 in their final 4 games. He's a great athlete but he's not a very good quarterback. He can't play from the pocket and I doubt he's their long term solution.
Quote from: theaardvark on October 25, 2023, 02:19:16 PM
You don't give Dru starters money when you have captured lightning in a bottle with Ford.
Ottawa, maybe, although I think Strev might get a look there. MTL might also look, and depending on Mitchells retirement, Ham might be in the market.
Just not sure any team can offer Dru a full starting salary, which would make WPG the optimal spot for him to continue.
Dru brown will not get starters money, it would likely be a scenario such as BC where 2 qbs are getting less than most starters, with incentives built in based on performance. In fact if a team like Edmonton, or ottawa look to Dane Evans BC might look at Brown as well. im not sure what our cap would allow for backup qb but liklely less than 200k based on what we are paying Zac
Quote from: Pete on October 25, 2023, 03:08:38 PM
Dru brown will not get starters money, it would likely be a scenario such as BC where 2 qbs are getting less than most starters, with incentives built in based on performance. In fact if a team like Edmonton, or ottawa look to Dane Evans BC might look at Brown as well. im not sure what our cap would allow for backup qb but liklely less than 200k based on what we are paying Zac
According to 3DN Dru Brown was the CFL's 15th highest paid QB in 2023.
Hard money: $82,000
Maximum value: $97,000
https://3downnation.com/2023/04/17/the-cfls-15-highest-paid-quarterbacks-for-2023-season/
Interesting that a vet backup like Matthew Schiltz is only earning
Hard money: $125,000
Maximum value: $205,000
If Dru wants to sign as a backup anywhere, that is the kind of money he's probably looking at.
I honestly don't think there are any teams ready to shove their starting QB aside to make room for Brown as their starter, even Sask. will probably stick with Trevor Harris as they are invested in him. Ottawa may be the only team were he has a leg on a higher salary but they could also be considering Schiltz or Dane Evans as more seasoned solutions.
I d take Brown over Schiltz anyday. The guys been around for what 4-5 years and done nothing. Brown has way more upside and shown this year he can overcome a 22 point deficit when everyone had written his team off. It's a shame we didn't use him more, he deserves a shot when you look around the league and look at all the other schmucks that have been given the opportunity.
likely dru would be similar to nick Arbuckle as well
Nick Arbuckle, Ottawa Redblacks (A)
Hard money: $130,000
Maximum value: $229,000
bombers might be able to afford Brown in that the only way he'd likely make the maximum is if Collaris got hurt for a number of games.
Quote from: dd on October 27, 2023, 01:36:49 AM
I d take Brown over Schiltz anyday. The guys been around for what 4-5 years and done nothing. Brown has way more upside and shown this year he can overcome a 22 point deficit when everyone had written his team off. It's a shame we didn't use him more, he deserves a shot when you look around the league and look at all the other schmucks that have been given the opportunity.
Schiltz has been injured most of the season, he did beat both the Stamps and the Riders handily upon his return and looked pretty good doing so. I honestly wouldn't rate Brown above him yet.
Quote from: Pete on October 27, 2023, 02:08:23 AM
likely dru would be similar to nick Arbuckle as well
Nick Arbuckle, Ottawa Redblacks (A)
Hard money: $130,000
Maximum value: $229,000
bombers might be able to afford Brown in that the only way he'd likely make the maximum is if Collaris got hurt for a number of games.
And that's a reason he could move on. Even if he's signing on as another teams back-up, he's gonna have way more opportunity to get into games and supplant the starter than he has here.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 25, 2023, 02:51:37 PM
Lightning in a bottle is a BIG stretch. He ended up going 2-5 down the stretch and 0-4 in their final 4 games. He's a great athlete but he's not a very good quarterback. He can't play from the pocket and I doubt he's their long term solution.
Ford is the equivalent of Streveler---a running Qb who is exciting to watch, but at the end of the day, can't get the job done as he isn't a good Qb-he's a great athlete that can elude tacklers, but not a good Qb who can pick apart defenses with his passing game. His passing game is below average, and that was Strevelers drawback. I'd keep him for a 2nd down Qb and run some tempo packages, but Edmonton has to look at a long term solution
And Ottawa doesn't need Streveler going there to be their #1 Qb. He's not a #1 Qb, and outside a small group of fans in winnipeg, nobody thinks he is
Quote from: dd on October 27, 2023, 10:54:55 PM
Ford is the equivalent of Streveler---a running Qb who is exciting to watch, but at the end of the day, can't get the job done as he isn't a good Qb-he's a great athlete that can elude tacklers, but not a good Qb who can pick apart defenses with his passing game. His passing game is below average, and that was Strevelers drawback. I'd keep him for a 2nd down Qb and run some tempo packages, but Edmonton has to look at a long term solution
And Ottawa doesn't need Streveler going there to be their #1 Qb. He's not a #1 Qb, and outside a small group of fans in winnipeg, nobody thinks he is
I think Ford has more upside. He has a great quick wind up and release. His reads aren't the best, yet, but he seems like an intelligent guy, so he could get better. He is still very raw/green, being thrust into starting.
Strevie: the question isn't is he a #1, the question is can he win you more games than Crum. My answer would be: yes. He'll win you just over .500 until he gets injured... 8)
And the way he plays it?s a certainty he ll get injured. They got to get a legit Qb, and that?s Brown. He should be playing in this league. Crum, Schultz, Caleb Evans, dolengla, couldn?t carry browns cleats to the field yet they start games, gimme a break!!