Our special team's are simply costing us. 100%they cost us a game today
BC won today due to special teams
T.O won yesterday due to special teams
If we want to get to the Grey Cup we need to get better, so how do we do it, what we have in house isn't good enough
Miller Hansen and Grant will bring some relief.
I would rather shop for a DL if Jeffcoat is hurt bad.
If Grant is hurt bad shop for a returner.
Shopping likely makes us overpay which we won't do.
If the right deal presents itself I'm game.
Zach throwing 3 picks.....2 of them really forced throws didn't help us despite his 300+ yards. He was outplayed by another 3rd string QB who looked more polished and poised than Collaros. That's 3 losses the Bombers have had against 3rd string QBs. That very last series, with good field position and plenty of time for a comeback .... Collaros looked particularly bad.....not sure what's up with him however I will now agree with DD that his play this season has been inconsistent unlike his past two MOP seasons. He will NOT likely 3 peat as MOP this year, and that's just based on his erratic play throughout the season so far.
DD mentioned that whether or not we beat the Cats depends on if we get the "good Zach" or the "bad Zach". I jumped to his defence when he posted this, however this game really exposed Zach's tendencies as of late.
Also giving the Cats a 3 point swing on. missed convert put an exclamation point on just how bad our STs are this season....and they haven't been able to fix it. Miller? I don't think he'll play this year and Grant likely won't play until the playoffs.....
Also our D was atrocious on 2nd and long today and Powell looked like a seasoned pro converting against it.
This was a game we should have won and we crapped the bed once again before a bye week whereas our rivals to the far west were able to mount a 4th quarter comeback down 20 points.
All I can say is they will be facing the best team in the league after their week off and Toronto, despite sewing up first place in the East will be coming here to show us that the Grey Game last season wasn't a fluke.
Good luck Bombers because you'll need some to knock them off followed by playing BC at home immediately after.
Is it the end of the world? Not really. Will this ruin our chances of finished first in the West? It all boils down to the last 4 games of the season and as DD puts it whether we get "the good Zach" or the "bad Zach", which is a label we used to apply to QBs like VAJ.
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on September 17, 2023, 02:35:23 AM
Zach throwing 3 picks.....2 of them really forced throws didn't help us despite his 300+ yards. He was outplayed by another 3rd string QB who looked more polished and poised than Collaros. That last series Collaros looked particularly bad.....not sure what's up with him however I will now agree with DD that his play this season has been incomplete and not like his past two MOP seasons. He will NOT likely 3 peat as MOP this year, and that's just based on his erratic play throughout the season.
DD mentioned that whether or not we beat the Cats hinges on if we get the "good Zach" or the "bad Zach". I jumped to his defence however this game really exposed Zach's tendencies as of late.
Also giving the Cats a 3 point swing on. missed convert put an exclaim point on just how bad our STs are this season....and they haven't been able to fix it. Miller? I don't think he'll play this year and Grant likely won't play until the playoffs.....
Zach has had a few bad games yes but is still very good and played exceptionally against Sask at home.
Zach will finish with a strong year but no MOP agree. Unrealistic to expect a three peat imo.
But to get back on track.... I do expect Miller , Grant and Hansen back. Will help.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on September 17, 2023, 02:50:12 AM
Dd was over the top critical on Zach and took the extreme view. Zach has had a few bad games yes but is still very good and played exceptionally against Sask at home. Dd also said fire Hall, MOS and blow up management before our 2 cups lol.
But to get back on track.... I do expect Miller , Grant and Hansen back. Will help.
I thought he was over the top, however something is off with Zach and yes he's had a remarkable career with us however he threw another 3 picks today!!
And I believe both Grant and Miller are still on the 6 game list....so whether they return before the playoffs is still uncertain.
Just being realistic and I do hope your eternally prevailing optimism i has merit
Quote from: pjrocksmb on September 17, 2023, 02:33:08 AM
Miller Hansen and Grant will bring some relief.
I would rather shop for a DL if Jeffcoat is hurt bad.
If Grant is hurt bad shop for a returner.
Shopping likely makes us overpay which we won't do.
If the right deal presents itself I'm game.
Miller, Hansen and Grant are injured and may not be back, we can't afford to wait for them any longer. Unless they will be back on the 29th
Agree to DL, at least lets see what we have...
We can't wait for Grant, if one of the new guys aren't true returners then go shopping, scouting, heck look under rocks.....but we also need better blocking, and better coverage
What bothers me is the inconsistency.
The De coordinator plays this prevent defense.
But the two cornerbacks are not competitive.
Zac has many safety valve guys open, but he seems to think he can make impossible type throws.
When in fact it?s the receivers, who make great catches on his underthrows.
I don?t see us getting out of the semifinal. Those teams who are lousy, ?wanted it? more. Ritchie Hall seems to be asleep.
And go back to Bully ball. If they have ten guys in the box throw the rock.
One lousy game is an anomaly, but as previous posters have already noted, we are not prepared to play before a bye week.
The Bombers are starting to look like the Jets, just going through the motions sometime?.and they are all on defense.
Collaros has been Jekyll and Hyde all year. When he?s on he?s dynamite, when he?s off, I can?t stsnd watching the games. He is the single biggest influence on the outcome of our games. Good Zack we waste teams, bad Zack we lose to teams that have no business being in the same ball park with us! The Ticats!?! The Redblacks!?! He definitely isn?t a runaway for mop this season, he?s now let chad Kelly enter the discussion.
Confining this post to ST: I think we should haul Grant out to play. It's some iffy ankle thing, he's been running on sidelines some weeks recently. So become Strevie and just play with an iffy ankle. At some point you have to suck it up to help your team.
I'm not saying play on a break (though Strevie did) or whatever. But if it's a booboo and you're just being extra cautious, now is the time you throw caution to the wind because the remaining games are all critical if we want to get #1 in W. If he messes it up worse, who cares because in any event we're playing without Grant as it is and likely looking at a trade to get talent.
If we continue to hold Grant out in reserve for the post-season then we're going to be looking at having to play a WSF. I'm not sure we can win 3 post-season games again to get a cup.
Now is the time for all wittow booboo players to come off the IR and contribute. Sorry if that's harsh, but you can bet other top teams/players are pushing the envelope on the injury front. Let's say we don't see Grant until the post-season... how many games will he have played this season? 3?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 17, 2023, 06:52:16 AM
Confining this post to ST: I think we should haul Grant out to play. It's some iffy ankle thing, he's been running on sidelines some weeks recently. So become Strevie and just play with an iffy ankle. At some point you have to suck it up to help your team.
I'm not saying play on a break (though Strevie did) or whatever. But if it's a booboo and you're just being extra cautious, now is the time you throw caution to the wind because the remaining games are all critical if we want to get #1 in W. If he messes it up worse, who cares because in any event we're playing without Grant as it is and likely looking at a trade to get talent.
If we continue to hold Grant out in reserve for the post-season then we're going to be looking at having to play a WSF. I'm not sure we can win 3 post-season games again to get a cup.
Now is the time for all wittow booboo players to come off the IR and contribute. Sorry if that's harsh, but you can bet other top teams/players are pushing the envelope on the injury front. Let's say we don't see Grant until the post-season... how many games will he have played this season? 3?
Players health is important...
Miller, Hanson, Grant can not be counted on, not due to talent but they may not even take a snap again this year or ever. We keep holding out hope and filling them in house, and we just keep getting terrible results. If we don't have the in house guys to be a top special teams team then go get them, or admit we are not actauly trying to win the cup.
I don't think we will find a good trade to improve our returner situation. Our ST problem is deeper than just on the return side. Our coverage teams are horrible and for some reason we seem happy to have short kick offs and punts with short hang time.
Even getting Grant back only solves part of the problem. We don't know if or when any of the injured players might return. The issue was not being better prepared for injuries when they happened.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 17, 2023, 06:52:16 AM
Confining this post to ST: I think we should haul Grant out to play. It's some iffy ankle thing, he's been running on sidelines some weeks recently. So become Strevie and just play with an iffy ankle. At some point you have to suck it up to help your team.
This is a crazy idea. Didn't he run once? and never to be seen again? Probably made it worse that day.
I am going to say coach up McRae and let him have another chance. He has more moves than Parker and he's fast.
Playing a guy who?s not 100% is a ridiculous and irresponsible idea. You can?t risk a players health because our special teams suck. Find a replacement or sit back and watch mediocrity fail. We ve chosen to watch mediocrity fail and that?s disappointing.
Quote from: dd on September 17, 2023, 02:52:29 PM
Playing a guy who?s not 100% is a ridiculous and irresponsible idea. You can?t risk a players health because our special teams suck. Find a replacement or sit back and watch mediocrity fail. We ve chosen to watch mediocrity fail and that?s disappointing.
Maybe but not exactly. Most players are playing at less than 100% by this time of the season. We played Streveler with a severe ankle injury in 2021 as an example. Depending on the position a player plays an ankle may have a more problematic issue.
Bombers may be playing the long game with Grants injury and none of us really know how severe the problem may be. High ankle sprains can impede a player an entire season.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 17, 2023, 02:06:28 PM
I don't think we will find a good trade to improve our returner situation.
Ya part of the problem though is the basement teams refuse to just die. Just die basement teams!!
EDM, OTT, CGY, HAM (and even SSK) have all been winning games they shouldn't and staying in the fight. That reduces the potential pool of trade partners before the deadline... Hopefully all 3 and 4 win teams don't win another game until the deadline. That should eliminate most of them and open up some options.
In the past decade most GC-bound teams load up at the last minute. Maybe that's become less of a thing the last 4 years (why?). We should have tons of SMS because of all our 6G injuries. Let's spend it (and more!!). Go crazy. I'm not so convinced anymore that 2024 will be a great year, so let's do it now.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2023, 02:24:11 AM
Ya part of the problem though is the basement teams refuse to just die. Just die basement teams!!
EDM, OTT, CGY, HAM (and even SSK) have all been winning games they shouldn't and staying in the fight. That reduces the potential pool of trade partners before the deadline... Hopefully all 3 and 4 win teams don't win another game until the deadline. That should eliminate most of them and open up some options.
In the past decade most GC-bound teams load up at the last minute. Maybe that's become less of a thing the last 4 years (why?). We should have tons of SMS because of all our 6G injuries. Let's spend it (and more!!). Go crazy. I'm not so convinced anymore that 2024 will be a great year, so let's do it now.
Don't forget they need to create cap space to re-sign Schoen and Olie who are both FA's. One way to do that is not spend all the cash in the kitty this season, Schoen alone will cost them $200k plus.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2023, 05:27:41 AM
Don't forget they need to create cap space to re-sign Schoen and Olie who are both FA's. One way to do that is not spend all the cash in the kitty this season, Schoen alone will cost them $200k plus.
There is some merit in that comment but we do have a lot of potential free agents. At some point we'll have to make some decisions similar to not re-signing Couture going into 2023. He may have decided to not return but he would have been expensive if we tried as an example.
Trading for a player for 4 games or less in the regular season is not going to create a big hit against the SMS.
Trading to cover injuries is great when you can find a partner and have the spare parts that make the deal. We don't have a lot of spare parts, not sure what assets we have on the neg list, or how much $SMS is available even for 4 games.
Best thing about CFL FA's is that Everyone has a lot of them every year, and teams like WPG have an Ace up the sleeve in that we have the Mafia.
All things being equal, we win many of the FA battles. Baily, Lawler are prime examples. Yes, we lose a Couture or Sayles or Sayles or Chungh, but we manage to keep a Jefferson or Bighill or Hardrick or Bryant.
Walters gets to make up his lineup and choose who he will target to keep each year. And for every big ticket FA we lose, that's $SMS used up. We're going to have that little advantage of our culture allowing us to retain players at a deal price, and attract the ones we want with competitive offers.
And recruiting is easier when you have ourplayers, our facilities, our reputation and our record.
As long as we keep this management group together, I have full faith this team will post winning seasons and win our share of Cups.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2023, 05:27:41 AM
Don't forget they need to create cap space to re-sign Schoen and Olie who are both FA's. One way to do that is not spend all the cash in the kitty this season, Schoen alone will cost them $200k plus.
There will cap space in the off season, with Bryant and Hardrick retiring.
Premature speculation on retirements, but i can see us as trying to save cap space this year and using it in form of a bonus to sign shoen. Might be a reason we haven:t brought in replacements as many of us have requested
Quote from: Pete on September 18, 2023, 03:32:17 PM
Premature speculation on retirements, but i can see us as trying to save cap space this year and using it in form of a bonus to sign shoen. Might be a reason we haven:t brought in replacements as many of us have requested
We've been relatively lucky with not many players sitting on the 1 game IR this season. OTOH we've had some veteran on the 6 game IR for long periods. Those players were replaced by mostly ELC players. So there should be some SMS savings available at the end of the season.
Retirements are a possibility so we'll see how that works out. If we get to and or win the Grey Cup that might be a single to a few to leave on that not. Hard to tell.
I do believe we would have SMS available to bring in a new player in trade but I'm not as sure a trade is available.
Quote from: Ridermania on September 18, 2023, 03:24:53 PM
There will cap space in the off season, with Bryant and Hardrick retiring.
Where did you come up with this?
Quote from: Pete on September 18, 2023, 03:32:17 PM
Premature speculation on retirements, but i can see us as trying to save cap space this year and using it in form of a bonus to sign shoen. Might be a reason we haven:t brought in replacements as many of us have requested
No way Walters is jeopardizing this season to save a few $SMS to try and resign future years,
No way.
How do you see us keeping schoen next year, he: ll likely need a 100k raise. Also Nichols is due. Especially if we maintain our oline
Quote from: Pete on September 18, 2023, 04:36:49 PM
How do you see us keeping schoen next year, he: ll likely need a 100k raise. Also Nichols is due. Especially if we maintain our oline
DB's never earn much so not a big issue, a $20k bump probably locks Nichols in for another year bringing him up to around $125k.
Quote from: Pete on September 18, 2023, 04:36:49 PM
How do you see us keeping schoen next year, he: ll likely need a 100k raise. Also Nichols is due. Especially if we maintain our oline
Lawrence, Darby, Miller, Benson, Briggs, Clement, Thomas, Gauthier among the list of players we might not see back and replaced by rookie ELC contracts. Someone mentioned the SMS is going up $100K in 2024? In any case teams will decide who they they want against what they can afford.
Might even ask Collaros to take a cut in order to get a bigger advance payment.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 18, 2023, 05:27:41 AM
Don't forget they need to create cap space to re-sign Schoen and Olie who are both FA's. One way to do that is not spend all the cash in the kitty this season, Schoen alone will cost them $200k plus.
A decision needs to be made. Do we go all-in to make the best run for the cup while we are still great? Or do we do business as usual and worry about next year?
Look at SSK 2013, my favorite example. They made future-dumb but smart-now trades in FA and in-season to beef up to clearly be the best team on paper. It paid off. Then their wad was blown and they stunk until basically 2019. But they got the cup.
How warm and fuzzy are y'all about playing a WSF in SSK right now and then a WDF in BC?? Look at our away-game record. This could happen. Not likely, but could. Certainly a WDF in BC has about 50/50 chance of happening.
Do we want a weak run for the cup this year, or does KW make the moves a GC-probable team usually makes to make a great run for it. We all sense we'll be a vastly different, and probably weaker, team in '24 or at the very least '25 because of age problems. How bad do we want a legit shot before vet superstars start retiring or being tub-bound?
Losing to OTT, SSK, HAM has changed my outlook. I don't think we're good enough to win 3 playoffs. Personally I just want to get to the cup and have a shot at revenge on TOR. I don't even care if we win, I just want to make sure we get there. I will be one unhappy camper if we're out in the WSF with some garbage team beating us with wide-outs, QB runs, ST returns, and vastly better gameplans and playcalling. Because that'll be what will happen.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2023, 10:07:35 PM
A decision needs to be made. Do we go all-in to make the best run for the cup while we are still great? Or do we do business as usual and worry about next year?
Look at SSK 2013, my favorite example. They made future-dumb but smart-now trades in FA and in-season to beef up to clearly be the best team on paper. It paid off. Then their wad was blown and they stunk until basically 2019. But they got the cup.
How warm and fuzzy are y'all about playing a WSF in SSK right now and then a WDF in BC?? Look at our away-game record. This could happen. Not likely, but could. Certainly a WDF in BC has about 50/50 chance of happening.
Do we want a weak run for the cup this year, or does KW make the moves a GC-probable team usually makes to make a great run for it. We all sense we'll be a vastly different, and probably weaker, team in '24 or at the very least '25 because of age problems. How bad do we want a legit shot before vet superstars start retiring or being tub-bound?
Losing to OTT, SSK, HAM has changed my outlook. I don't think we're good enough to win 3 playoffs. Personally I just want to get to the cup and have a shot at revenge on TOR. I don't even care if we win, I just want to make sure we get there. I will be one unhappy camper if we're out in the WSF with some garbage team beating us with wide-outs, QB runs, ST returns, and vastly better gameplans and playcalling. Because that'll be what will happen.
Who are all these difference maker players you think we can get and not lose equivalent players in trade? There isn't anybody on our PR that another team is going to give up top talent.
Time to step away from the keyboard.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 18, 2023, 10:07:35 PM
A decision needs to be made. Do we go all-in to make the best run for the cup while we are still great? Or do we do business as usual and worry about next year?
Look at SSK 2013, my favorite example. They made future-dumb but smart-now trades in FA and in-season to beef up to clearly be the best team on paper. It paid off. Then their wad was blown and they stunk until basically 2019. But they got the cup.
How warm and fuzzy are y'all about playing a WSF in SSK right now and then a WDF in BC?? Look at our away-game record. This could happen. Not likely, but could. Certainly a WDF in BC has about 50/50 chance of happening.
Do we want a weak run for the cup this year, or does KW make the moves a GC-probable team usually makes to make a great run for it. We all sense we'll be a vastly different, and probably weaker, team in '24 or at the very least '25 because of age problems. How bad do we want a legit shot before vet superstars start retiring or being tub-bound?
Losing to OTT, SSK, HAM has changed my outlook. I don't think we're good enough to win 3 playoffs. Personally I just want to get to the cup and have a shot at revenge on TOR. I don't even care if we win, I just want to make sure we get there. I will be one unhappy camper if we're out in the WSF with some garbage team beating us with wide-outs, QB runs, ST returns, and vastly better gameplans and playcalling. Because that'll be what will happen.
I disagree with almost everything you've mentioned, I never "expect" the Bombers to win a GC but I always hope they will, even when the odds are against it. Expecting a result that doesn't happen usually leads to frustration and anger, if the Bombers get to the GC game this season, nobody should be angry with their achievement even if they lose, they can't win em all.
I don't agree that going all in and burning down the house like the Riders did to win a single GC is the best team management approach either. It just leads to a complete rebuild shortly after, their rebuild in particular has stretched on now for almost a decade and they're still not even close.
With the age of the Bombers roster getting up there I do expect a bit of a shake up next season, but I'm confident Walters will handle it well and won't have to deal with replacing a large number of players in a single season. A few retirements spread out over 2-3 years with adequate replacements brought in on an ongoing basis should allow them to remain competitive through the next few seasons. After that, we'll see.
I agree we dont have very many chips to play. If jones returns he might fetch a good price,,i bet edmonton would love to have a ford duo to attract their fans. (maybe for purifoy and a draft pick?)
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 18, 2023, 10:20:39 PM
Who are all these difference maker players you think we can get and not lose equivalent players in trade? There isn't anybody on our PR that another team is going to give up top talent.
No idea who the difference-maker players are, that are on basement teams. I guess I could study it, but that's KW's job. SSK found a way to get good trades at the 2013 deadline, many teams do every year to get ready for the cup. So, historically speaking, there is someone.
As for losing players: we'd have to give up talented guys we like and/or high DPs. That's reality. If we want the cup in our window, we shouldn't give 2 hoots about our DPs. Trade them all away for beef now.
Even though we need 7 talented, capable OL for the cup run, dangling Eli or Dobson in front of an OL-weak team would probably get us near any final-contract-year star IMP. Gotta think outside the box, even crazy talk. How about Woli for an all-star DT? Sounds crazy, but just stop and think about it. How about Mike Miller + DP for a SAM? Can't afford Schoen next year? Crazy idea: trade him for any player of our choice... even to TOR?!?
The key is to trade win-next-year, rarer players (usually NATs) who aren't coming up for FA for will-be-FA star IMP players who will win us games now. SAM, DT, maybe DE, returner. That's basically what will instantly make our team better if they are all-star healthy IMPs. Who cares if they'll only ever dress for 6 games as a Bomber.
Can you guys imagine our team if we had the 2 J's plus the best middle DT push in the league?? And a league-best SAM?? I'd trade our entire set of 2024 DPs and a great NAT just for that.
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 18, 2023, 10:20:39 PM
Time to step away from the keyboard.
Oh I'm on the ledge baby!! Better believe it. As someone else said, I need to put down the Pepsi.
The strange thing is, most years I predict (and am right) that KW will do nothing late in season. This year I think we make not only 1 big move, but probably 2. I think KW is manning that phone constantly as we speak.
We re dreaming in technicolor if we think we re getting a ?difference maker? on special teams. Nobody is giving their best ST players up. It?s like all the other teams saying when they sign Collaros for their playoff run??those types of trades never happen. We can talk about what our needs are, but acquiring them later season, ha, good one!!!!
Seriously Tecno you need to throttle back a bit man. I am concerned for you. You use to to be fun chumming around talking football but now you are so over the top I don?t even bother reading your posts anymore. It is far to much to keep up with.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2023, 12:03:00 AM
No idea who the difference-maker players are, that are on basement teams. I guess I could study it, but that's KW's job. SSK found a way to get good trades at the 2013 deadline, many teams do every year to get ready for the cup. So, historically speaking, there is someone.
Other than Pat Neufeld for Alex Hall, which long term was a terrible trade by Taman, what other moves did they make near the deadline? I can't recall. Geroy Simon they got in the offseason.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on September 19, 2023, 12:03:00 AM
No idea who the difference-maker players are, that are on basement teams. I guess I could study it, but that's KW's job. SSK found a way to get good trades at the 2013 deadline, many teams do every year to get ready for the cup. So, historically speaking, there is someone.
As for losing players: we'd have to give up talented guys we like and/or high DPs. That's reality. If we want the cup in our window, we shouldn't give 2 hoots about our DPs. Trade them all away for beef now.
Even though we need 7 talented, capable OL for the cup run, dangling Eli or Dobson in front of an OL-weak team would probably get us near any final-contract-year star IMP. Gotta think outside the box, even crazy talk. How about Woli for an all-star DT? Sounds crazy, but just stop and think about it. How about Mike Miller + DP for a SAM? Can't afford Schoen next year? Crazy idea: trade him for any player of our choice... even to TOR?!?
The key is to trade win-next-year, rarer players (usually NATs) who aren't coming up for FA for will-be-FA star IMP players who will win us games now. SAM, DT, maybe DE, returner. That's basically what will instantly make our team better if they are all-star healthy IMPs. Who cares if they'll only ever dress for 6 games as a Bomber.
Can you guys imagine our team if we had the 2 J's plus the best middle DT push in the league?? And a league-best SAM?? I'd trade our entire set of 2024 DPs and a great NAT just for that.
Oh I'm on the ledge baby!! Better believe it. As someone else said, I need to put down the Pepsi.
The strange thing is, most years I predict (and am right) that KW will do nothing late in season. This year I think we make not only 1 big move, but probably 2. I think KW is manning that phone constantly as we speak.
Thinking outside the box is one thing. Thinking out side the padded room is another. Trade a potential starting Canadian for an import that will be a free agent in 2024. That's just nuts.
Trading Schoen? That's not thinking outside the box. It's just stirring the pot needlessly. You may as well suggest trading Collaros.
Yikes.
Quote from: Waffler on September 19, 2023, 10:51:27 AM
Other than Pat Neufeld for Alex Hall, which long term was a terrible trade by Taman, what other moves did they make near the deadline? I can't recall. Geroy Simon they got in the offseason.
Rare but not unheard of, Walters made moves for Darby, Lawrence and Collaros late in the season, so it is possible.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 19, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
Rare but not unheard of, Walters made moves for Darby, Lawrence and Collaros late in the season, so it is possible.
Yeah for pieces, maybe. I was just thinking last night that if Kevin Glenn had accepted our offer to come out of retirement we would have had no Collaros trade that year. That one was for the ages, no doubt.
Quote from: Waffler on September 19, 2023, 04:29:10 PM
Yeah for pieces, maybe. I was just thinking last night that if Kevin Glenn had accepted our offer to come out of retirement we would have had no Collaros trade that year. That one was for the ages, no doubt.
Yep, what transpired in 2019 can only be described as a miracle that it happened at all.
Doesn't have to be via a big trade, maybe a guy on a PR for another team has that special team's pedigree that costs us a late rounder, maybe we have a guy on our own PR, maybe we have a couple names of guys down south that can be a "thumper" on special teams. Look at all the schools down south every one of those teams' fields a full complement of special teams' players, all of them may not excel at their respective positions enough to get pro contracts but there has to be a number that were/are very good at special teams. If you have ever played the game special teams is a whole different animal, its chaos, it's brutal and some guys just excel in that chaos, we need to roster a few more of those guys.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on September 19, 2023, 04:48:15 PM
Doesn't have to be via a big trade, maybe a guy on a PR for another team has that special team's pedigree that costs us a late rounder, maybe we have a guy on our own PR, maybe we have a couple names of guys down south that can be a "thumper" on special teams. Look at all the schools down south every one of those teams' fields a full complement of special teams' players, all of them may not excel at their respective positions enough to get pro contracts but there has to be a number that were/are very good at special teams. If you have ever played the game special teams is a whole different animal, its chaos, it's brutal and some guys just excel in that chaos, we need to roster a few more of those guys.
We can't really "look down south". The solution will be by adding Canadians either now or in the off season. It's our Canadians that are struggling. They are an older group, have been hurt, etc. It's been a season of change there. There are 20 Americans on the game day roster. Almost all of them start. Cole, Clements and Jackson would be the only three you might be able to change out. And all three of those guys are decent to great special teams players.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 19, 2023, 04:22:00 PM
Rare but not unheard of, Walters made moves for Darby, Lawrence and Collaros late in the season, so it is possible.
TJ Heath!
I think Walter will be riding the pine the rest of the way. He won?t be back next year anyways.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 19, 2023, 09:54:16 PM
I think Walter will be riding the pine the rest of the way. He won?t be back next year anyways.
Walter who?
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on September 19, 2023, 09:54:16 PM
I think Walter will be riding the pine the rest of the way. He won?t be back next year anyways.
If so, would he not be busy selling our future to win this year? More cups, more money?
Quote from: Blue In BC on September 19, 2023, 01:25:52 PM
Thinking outside the box is one thing. Thinking out side the padded room is another. Trade a potential starting Canadian for an import that will be a free agent in 2024. That's just nuts.
Trading Schoen? That's not thinking outside the box. It's just stirring the pot needlessly. You may as well suggest trading Collaros.
Just ignore his posts they are stumbling into lunacy.
Quote from: Waffler on September 19, 2023, 10:53:30 PM
If so, would he not be busy selling our future to win this year? More cups, more money?
True I am just going on a hunch.
We are definitely in win mode. With the makeup of this team and salary cap our chances of winning will not go up in the next year, but we can focus on not letting them go down. On defense if we can play Jeffcoat a little smarter i.e. having adequate rotational linemen to lessen his load, we likely need to find one above average dt so our ends aren't having to play against double teams all year which also takes a toll. Our dbs are still in prime. A trio of Wilson, Clements and Bighill is fine,. .
as far as sam goes I like leaving Kramdl as sam and going with 4 import lineman, Hall's defense is predicated on the pass rush.
Offensively I'd try to maintain the players we have and use our #1 draft pick on oline. All other picks use for a fb and sts players
|The other position i would like to see is eliminating the fb and utilizing a tight end instead. with defenses relying on pressure it gives us much better options. If it's an import position, we may have to go with 3 canadian receivers.
The good thing also is next year Toronto will not have the luxury of a cheap qb.
We have a good set of DBs? Good for what?
Holm, Nichols are potential allstars,Alexander is solid, Houston leads the league in takeaways and we are number 1 in the fewest passing yds given up. So yeah I thinkr dbs are more than ok.
What are you basing your comment on?
oMG.
How about passes challenged, knockdowns, missed tackles?
If you enjoy watching DBs with a name. That sounds like Hose, continually play such a large cushion every play, then close to try to make a tag, er tackle, and miss and allow a five yard out become a35 yard play, Ultimate frisbee beckons.
Secondly, the DBs that undercut passes and close to the incorrect shoulder to do so, and give up long results as a result of this seemingly Coach approved technique, is a sure ticket to the Grey Cup party I am going to watch at in Winnipeg. Winning teams just don?t play so selfishly, poorly, ignorantly or so irresponsible.
Aaaghhhh
Quote from: DM83 on September 24, 2023, 05:19:21 PM
oMG.
How about passes challenged, knockdowns, missed tackles?
If you enjoy watching DBs with a name. That sounds like Hose, continually play such a large cushion every play, then close to try to make a tag, er tackle, and miss and allow a five yard out become a35 yard play, Ultimate frisbee beckons.
Secondly, the DBs that undercut passes and close to the incorrect shoulder to do so, and give up long results as a result of this seemingly Coach approved technique, is a sure ticket to the Grey Cup party I am going to watch at in Winnipeg. Winning teams just don?t play so selfishly, poorly, ignorantly or so irresponsible.
Aaaghhhh
#1 in fewest passing yards given up per game
#1 in lowest opponents completion %
#1 in lowest efficiency rate of opponents
#1 in lowest opponents average yds gained per pass
#1 in lowest td passes given up
But don't let the facts cloud your opinions ;D.
Quote from: Pete on September 24, 2023, 05:31:56 PM
#1 in fewest passing yards given up per game
#1 in lowest opponents completion %
#1 in lowest efficiency rate of opponents
#1 in lowest opponents average yds gained per pass
#1 in lowest td passes given up
But don't let the facts cloud your opinions ;D.
Stats look good on your resume! IMHO the Bomber DBacks are middle of the road average and as such I would not count of them as a game changing group.
Quote from: BBRT on September 24, 2023, 11:01:29 PM
Stats look good on your resume! IMHO the Bomber DBacks are middle of the road average and as such I would not count of them as a game changing group.
just like to have some solid information to help base my decisions. In terms of our defence I think the dline is more the concern if Jeffcoat isn't healthy enough to play every game
The key with any team unit is having a game plan and the tools to execute it. Having all stars with no plan is useless. And having roleplayers that execute a dynamic plan to perfection can be dominating.
We have players that can play our system, and get results. All stars here, moving elsewhere, look a lot less effective.
Quote from: Pete on September 25, 2023, 12:24:24 AM
just like to have some solid information to help base my decisions. In terms of our defence I think the dline is more the concern if Jeffcoat isn't healthy enough to play every game
It will be interesting to see what O'Shea does with Haba once Jeffcoat returns, if he returns him to the PR I fear a valuable lesson in roster management will have been wasted. If Jeffcoat can not remain healthy to the end there will be no celebrating this year, he's that critical to success.