The big question - 'Does Zach Collaros play on Friday Night Football'? Dru Brown starts. But we should be in good hands against Calgary.
Reports indicate Calgary's REC Clark Barnes, DB Julian Charles and REC Cole Tucker are listed as out for Friday's game, while DBs Jonathan Moxey and Brad Muhammad are listed as questionable.
A winnable game with the Alouettes (at IG Field) and Saskatchewan (2 times) coming up next.
In for the Blue Bombers: No changes
Out for the Blue Bombers: No changes
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Game Preview here https://www.bluebombers.com/2023/08/17/game-preview-wpg-at-cgy-2/
The Basics
Kickoff: Friday, 8 p.m. CDT; McMahon Stadium, Calgary
TV: TSN; RDS 2
U.S. and international live streaming: https://www.cfl.ca/plus
Radio: 680 CJOB
Last meeting: July 7, 2023, at IG Field: Winnipeg 24 Calgary 11. Winnipeg has won four straight against the Stamps dating to 2021 and eight of the last 10 meetings. The Blue Bombers are 3-1 on the road this year. Calgary is 1-3 at home this season.
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I'd take the "over" on this one.
Dru Brown Is starting in Calgary, Zach is 3rd String - Confirmed. Let the discussion begin.
https://3downnation.com/2023/08/17/winnipeg-blue-bombers-to-start-qb-dru-brown-against-calgary-stampeders/
I am hoping for a better start by our D. Also, no turnovers by our O.
Just....have a decent start....please...
Not asking to jump to a 21-0 lead or anything, but please stop looking like the worst team in the league during the first 1.5 quarters. We're a veteran team, why we starting like this so often?
3 consecutive game without personnel changes (in/out) except for Dru starting this game. Not sure if that happened before.
Using a DA spot on Jackson continues to be a waste. It would be better to use another dlineman especially against a team with a strong running game. Parker for Darby would be good as well since Darby has not played well this year and Parker can do returns. McCrae has not done well as a returner.
With the huge number of people on the "injured" list, and the large number of "questionable" designations, one has to wonder at the "no change" depth chart for today.
How many "game time decisions" are included in there? How many PR players will be making the trip with their full kit?
Using a DA spot on Jackson might not be a luxury, but a necessity.
Hoping the offense can establish the run early and get settled in. I'm excited to see what Brown can do considering how well he played a week ago.
Another bad start I can't handle.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 17, 2023, 04:10:46 PM
With the huge number of people on the "injured" list, and the large number of "questionable" designations, one has to wonder at the "no change" depth chart for today.
How many "game time decisions" are included in there? How many PR players will be making the trip with their full kit?
Using a DA spot on Jackson might not be a luxury, but a necessity.
How is using a spot on Jackson a necessity? He barely takes reps on offense or defense.
Jackson can play some Dline if needed and Maro has also played some. I personally would like to see another D-line get in, but......
Mc Crea was way better with ball control and securing the catch. Let's hope he can get the return game going now....although I am far more concerned with our coverage teams lately.
C'mon Dru let's do this....Cal. has a decent defence, it's the offence that has been holding them back. Very curious to see how Dru looks, as I think many people are including opposing GM's.
I will be there - one of the few games I attend at McMahon Stadium (even though I have season tickets - got to support the CFL). Today will be a high of 34C but tomorrow around 17C with rain so might be a little wet. Not sure which team has an advantage a wet field brings. The one thing that will be a problem for the Stamps Organization is that attendance is down this year and a wet and somewhat cold experience will keep the numbers in attendance down even more.
It is a pretty sorry sight as I sit in the SuperReds section and most of the folks I use to see in my sectiond no longer show up! However the hot dogs and diet cokes are still good! :D
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 17, 2023, 04:20:55 PM
How is using a spot on Jackson a necessity? He barely takes reps on offense or defense.
Necessity due to numbers... and injuries...
Quote from: theaardvark on August 17, 2023, 04:38:05 PM
Necessity due to numbers... and injuries...
We have 2 DL on our PR. Either could be a better choice.
O'Shea seems to have a man crush on the ex Seal. That's all find and dandy but he needs to contribute more than a couple of ST plays or defensive reps in garbage time.
If the two DL on the PR haven't shown more than Jackson then we should be looking at new players on the PR.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 17, 2023, 04:38:05 PM
Necessity due to numbers... and injuries...
He plays teams. He doesn't take defensive reps on a regular basis or offensive reps for that matter. Show your work and explain where the necessity comes in or you're just talking out of your ***.
As BIBC said, either DL on the PR would be a better use as they'd be coming in and taking snaps on D, giving us an option if one of the starters go down and easing the burden on the starters so they don't burn out.
I wouldn't take Calgary too lightly. They are the only team to beat Toronto and we're playing them with our backup QB.
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 17, 2023, 04:08:31 PM
Using a DA spot on Jackson continues to be a waste. It would be better to use another dlineman especially against a team with a strong running game. Parker for Darby would be good as well since Darby has not played well this year and Parker can do returns. McCrae has not done well as a returner.
I truly don't get this either. You would think we'd want to see what we have in Fox and Garbutt prior to looking at nfl cuts which happen Aug 29th. Either that or they haven't shown anything in practice in which case they need to be replaced..
\it is a bit frustrating when we do so little in season to address issues. BC picks up usher, Calgary at least tried for Davis and picked up Markell, Ham and Sask make a trade albeit a minor one. Why we haven't picked up a backup for Grant by now also is annoying/
For nfl cuts i\mping we look to weakside lb, and dt at least.
Quote from: Pete on August 17, 2023, 05:35:39 PM
I truly don't get this either. You would think we'd want to see what we have in Fox and Garbutt prior to looking at nfl cuts which happen Aug 29th. Either that or they havent shown anything in practice in which case they need to be replaced..
\it is a bit frustrating when we do so little in season to address issues. BC picks up usher, Calgary at least tried for Davyinis and picked up Markell, ham and sask make a trade albeit a minor one. Why we haven't picked up a backup for Grant by now also is annoying/
For nfl cuts i\mping we look to weakside lb, and dt at least.
The Bomber process now seems to be for PR players to put in their time learning the CFL game in their first season and if they show enough talent and the right attitude they're invited back next TC to compete or help fill holes that have been vacated. Ricky Walker is a great example of a player working his way up.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 17, 2023, 05:28:31 PM
I wouldn't take Calgary too lightly. They are the only team to beat Toronto and we're playing them with our backup QB.
I agree 100% - it will be a raining eveing tomorrow night and anything can happen in these conditions. Maybe the rain will hold off but I will take my raincoat along in any case.
Calgary on offense is playing;an incredibly structured game..
Calgary is due for a win.
Nit sure their receivers are significant.
I think they will try and use the run game, shorten the game, t doing so, and try and. Keep the Bombers offence off the field.
I think Brown is actually smarter than the usual. Players. He?s athletic, seems to be able to read defenses.
It would be nice if the defense shows up at the start of the game
Bombers need to stop the run
Stamps have two receivers that can make significant plays
Bombers have better skilled. Defenders and offence can be unstoppable.
Let?s enjoy!
Good Luck to Zac and Wolly.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 17, 2023, 05:48:56 PM
The Bomber process now seems to be for PR players to put in their time learning the CFL game in their first season and if they show enough talent and the right attitude they're invited back next TC to compete or help fill holes that have been vacated. Ricky Walker is a great example of a player working his way up.
IDK about that. Walker played significant games in 2021 and 2022 as a DI. 7 of our players on the PR have played in games this season. Last year we rotated 2 import rookie DL as DI's that moved up off the PR list. Current players like Holm and Parker jumped to AR from PR in their 1st season.
So I don't agree it's particularly part of any process. In their are injuries, players move up. If they play well they stick etc.
This is true mostly for imports while rookie Canadians do tend to spend more time on the PR. It's a question of math with number of import starters and those on the PR.
I can't agree with the adage a team is due for a win. It just doesn't seem logical.
However, the Stampeders have a stout defense and a capable offense. They're more than capable of stealing a win at home if the Bombers decide to have another slow/bad start like we saw in Edmonton last week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 17, 2023, 04:41:18 PM
We have 2 DL on our PR. Either could be a better choice.
O'Shea seems to have a man crush on the ex Seal. That's all find and dandy but he needs to contribute more than a couple of ST plays or defensive reps in garbage time.
If the two DL on the PR haven't shown more than Jackson then we should be looking at new players on the PR.
OK, two things wrong here...
1st:
the 2 DL on the PR might not be ready for the AR yet. Which is better, a swiss army knife on teams that can actually contribute SOMETHING, or a DL that hasn't learned the system well enough to contribute, and might actually cost us through errorsor not understanding the CFL game?
2nd:
Man Crush: IF a coach admires what a player brings to the game, and what he brings to the sidelines, and knows no matter what he needs, that player will say "Yes Sir" and go in and give 112%, if THAT is a "man crush", what's wrong with that. Yes, every AR spot is important, and yes, if we have game ready DL on the PR, it would be better to have them on the AR than a teams guy. But it, for your last position on the AR, you can have a guy that works his butt off, and inspires simply by his presence, there are far worse things you can have on the sidelines.
oh, and 3rd:
Its not an either/or situation. Its not Mr. Seal or DL there are multiple players that could be taken off the AR for a DL, not just Mr. Seal.
Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on August 17, 2023, 05:48:56 PM
The Bomber process now seems to be for PR players to put in their time learning the CFL game in their first season and if they show enough talent and the right attitude they're invited back next TC to compete or help fill holes that have been vacated. Ricky Walker is a great example of a player working his way up.
I think certain positions take more PR time than others... Oline the longest, ST the least, DL definitely in the middle. But there is no doubt some players are more "game ready" as rookies than others. and some never make it off the PR.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 17, 2023, 07:06:44 PM
OK, two things wrong here...
1st:
the 2 DL on the PR might not be ready for the AR yet. Which is better, a swiss army knife on teams that can actually contribute SOMETHING, or a DL that hasn't learned the system well enough to contribute, and might actually cost us through errorsor not understanding the CFL game?
2nd:
Man Crush: IF a coach admires what a player brings to the game, and what he brings to the sidelines, and knows no matter what he needs, that player will say "Yes Sir" and go in and give 112%, if THAT is a "man crush", what's wrong with that. Yes, every AR spot is important, and yes, if we have game ready DL on the PR, it would be better to have them on the AR than a teams guy. But it, for your last position on the AR, you can have a guy that works his butt off, and inspires simply by his presence, there are far worse things you can have on the sidelines.
oh, and 3rd:
Its not an either/or situation. Its not Mr. Seal or DL there are multiple players that could be taken off the AR for a DL, not just Mr. Seal.
A swiss army knife that actually contributes something? No defensive tackles. No ST tackles. No big ST or Defensive plays. Not seeing your contribution argument. Oh and before you say blocking, he's not doing much of that on offense (rewatch the games and look for it) and we have Dobson and Eli for that. Who btw are actually filling that role and making a contribution.
If one of the Jeffs go down, do you want Bennett playing every rep or would you rather have another Dlineman to take some of those reps? We know Jackson won't because he hasn't done so thus far. You know who takes reps on D? Every other back up we've dressed (Cole, Exume, Mauro, Hallett, Beeksma, Briggs etc)
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 17, 2023, 06:16:23 PM
IDK about that. Walker played significant games in 2021 and 2022 as a DI. 7 of our players on the PR have played in games this season. Last year we rotated 2 import rookie DL as DI's that moved up off the PR list. Current players like Holm and Parker jumped to AR from PR in their 1st season.
So I don't agree it's particularly part of any process. In their are injuries, players move up. If they play well they stick etc.
This is true mostly for imports while rookie Canadians do tend to spend more time on the PR. It's a question of math with number of import starters and those on the PR.
Haba another player that stepped right into to multiple reps at DE without even a full training camp. The general idea of them being slow to introduce new players is correct, but there are exceptions, depending on the player, the position, and the need. In Haba's case, he played a position where he could be brought up to speed more quickly, was very talented, and there was real need.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 17, 2023, 06:16:23 PM
IDK about that. Walker played significant games in 2021 and 2022 as a DI. 7 of our players on the PR have played in games this season. Last year we rotated 2 import rookie DL as DI's that moved up off the PR list. Current players like Holm and Parker jumped to AR from PR in their 1st season.
So I don't agree it's particularly part of any process. In their are injuries, players move up. If they play well they stick etc.
This is true mostly for imports while rookie Canadians do tend to spend more time on the PR. It's a question of math with number of import starters and those on the PR.
Of course some PR players are also going to see some game action in their first year, but generally after the starter recovers they tend to end up right back on the PR. Two examples of this process are Holm and ABS, Schoen is an exception as he started in his rookie season. I think one of the main reasons the Bombers are doing it this way, is because that's how the vets. on the team want the process to work.
Quote from: theaardvark on August 17, 2023, 07:06:44 PM
OK, two things wrong here...
1st:
the 2 DL on the PR might not be ready for the AR yet. Which is better, a swiss army knife on teams that can actually contribute SOMETHING, or a DL that hasn't learned the system well enough to contribute, and might actually cost us through errorsor not understanding the CFL game?
2nd:
Man Crush: IF a coach admires what a player brings to the game, and what he brings to the sidelines, and knows no matter what he needs, that player will say "Yes Sir" and go in and give 112%, if THAT is a "man crush", what's wrong with that. Yes, every AR spot is important, and yes, if we have game ready DL on the PR, it would be better to have them on the AR than a teams guy. But it, for your last position on the AR, you can have a guy that works his butt off, and inspires simply by his presence, there are far worse things you can have on the sidelines.
oh, and 3rd:
Its not an either/or situation. Its not Mr. Seal or DL there are multiple players that could be taken off the AR for a DL, not just Mr. Seal.
There are 3 things wrong with your argument.
1, 2 and 3.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 17, 2023, 05:28:31 PM
I wouldn't take Calgary too lightly. They are the only team to beat Toronto and we're playing them with our backup QB.
Ya, the thin air of the foothills and other mystery factors seem to work against opponents coming into McMahon. Look at TOR! CGY always tries to get it up for the home crowd, and Lord knows they need to win at home desperately this season.
However, we've gotten quite good at winning at clown carnival stadium since 2019. Maybe MOS has them all huffing oxygen tanks in the locker room pregame :D :D
And we can always count on Dickerson The Greater making 2 stupid in-game decisions...
Quote from: RebusRankin on August 17, 2023, 07:45:51 PM
A swiss army knife that actually contributes something? No defensive tackles. No ST tackles. No big ST or Defensive plays. Not seeing your contribution argument. Oh and before you say blocking, he's not doing much of that on offense (rewatch the games and look for it) and we have Dobson and Eli for that. Who btw are actually filling that role and making a contribution.
I've been watching Jackson closely for a couple of games now and he's improving on his blocking. He used to completely whiff and be worse than useless sometimes. Now he's made at least a couple of stout blocks for Brady/Demski, which is critical for closing out games.
The reason you put a FB in there is one of these days we will pass to him and he'll be wide open and take it in for a TD. Since he's never once sneaked out, and always stayed in to block, zero teams will be planning for him to escape, and even if coached to watch him, players will have mental lapses. We might even give him a sweep one of these days after faking to both BO20 and Demski or Bailey.
Dru starting is not the great news some might think. He's still an "under 5 starts" QB and still susceptible to the baiting and rookie-tricks DBs and LBs are going to pull on him. And CGY might be one of the worst teams to face for this as they are a vet group with extremely good coaching. They will try every trick to get INTs, and really try to pick on his greenness.
No matter how good he looked vs EDM, he is still far from having "seen everything". He'll have to have his wits around him at all times and stay out of the thickets.
I'm sure our guys and Zach will be coaching him along the way. Hopefully they'll spot any potential gotchas before they occur. Call me cautiously optimistic.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 17, 2023, 11:29:07 PM
Dru starting is not the great news some might think. He's still an "under 5 starts" QB and still susceptible to the baiting and rookie-tricks DBs and LBs are going to pull on him. And CGY might be one of the worst teams to face for this as they are a vet group with extremely good coaching. They will try every trick to get INTs, and really try to pick on his greenness.
No matter how good he looked vs EDM, he is still far from having "seen everything". He'll have to have his wits around him at all times and stay out of the thickets.
I'm sure our guys and Zach will be coaching him along the way. Hopefully they'll spot any potential gotchas before they occur. Call me cautiously optimistic.
You post is obviously pessimistic.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 17, 2023, 11:29:07 PM
Dru starting is not the great news some might think. He's still an "under 5 starts" QB and still susceptible to the baiting and rookie-tricks DBs and LBs are going to pull on him. And CGY might be one of the worst teams to face for this as they are a vet group with extremely good coaching. They will try every trick to get INTs, and really try to pick on his greenness.
No matter how good he looked vs EDM, he is still far from having "seen everything". He'll have to have his wits around him at all times and stay out of the thickets.
I'm sure our guys and Zach will be coaching him along the way. Hopefully they'll spot any potential gotchas before they occur. Call me cautiously optimistic.
You were so wrong about Dru last week and the trend will continue. Double down on bird me thinks.
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 18, 2023, 03:29:30 AM
You post is obviously pessimistic.
Still pickem'd WPG
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 18, 2023, 03:38:02 AM
You were so wrong about Dru last week and the trend will continue. Double down on bird me thinks.
Probably right but Dru Brown won't have as easy of a time today. I'm sure he'll make a few mistakes and come down to earth a little bit. Calgary is a legit CFL team for one, even if duking it out for that last playoff spot. Brown did his best work scrambling to his right and they know that too. We are going to find out if Brown can operate the offense against a team prepared to play an inexperienced QB that has a bit of film. One of the reasons most of the young QBs in this league look below average is because defenses (and their coordinators) and legitimately good.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 18, 2023, 12:52:23 PM
Probably right but Dru Brown won't have as easy of a time today. I'm sure he'll make a few mistakes and come down to earth a little bit. Calgary is a legit CFL team for one, even if duking it out for that last playoff spot. Brown did his best work scrambling to his right and they know that too. We are going to find out if Brown can operate the offense against a team prepared to play an inexperienced QB that has a bit of film. One of the reasons most of the young QBs in this league look below average is because defenses (and their coordinators) and legitimately good.
Make some good points was just having a little fun with tecno. We had some fun banter last week. I agree with how it will be harder for Brown. We shall see. I'll have the bird ready for the GDT and I'm willing to take a wing as needed lol.
Beating Calgary tonight will send a message to the Stamps that the Bombers are a superior team to them. Calgary has struggled at times this season but I do think they will be in the playoffs when the dust settles.The Bombers need to show all contenders that the road to the Grey Cup goes through Winnipeg.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 17, 2023, 11:29:07 PM
Dru starting is not the great news some might think. He's still an "under 5 starts" QB and still susceptible to the baiting and rookie-tricks DBs and LBs are going to pull on him. And CGY might be one of the worst teams to face for this as they are a vet group with extremely good coaching. They will try every trick to get INTs, and really try to pick on his greenness.
No matter how good he looked vs EDM, he is still far from having "seen everything". He'll have to have his wits around him at all times and stay out of the thickets.
I'm sure our guys and Zach will be coaching him along the way. Hopefully they'll spot any potential gotchas before they occur. Call me cautiously optimistic.
pretty much how I feel....cautiously optimistic
I think we're in for a tough game tonight. Calgary is not Edmonton. Dru is starting & Calgary has film on him. Calgary needs the win to get back into the playoff picture.
The Stampeders have a superior defense compared to the Elks. This is going to be a stiff test for a pretty inexperienced pivot. The need for a strong gameplan can't be understated here; here's hoping Pierce and the other offensive coaches have done their preparation this week.
I think whichever offense best executes its run game tonight will emerge the winner.
Turnover battle will be crucial as well.
Stamps lose Moxey @ CB for this game.
A win over CGY in their literal barn with our backup QB starting would be a statement about where both teams sit in the west.
It will be interesting to see if the Maier they thought they had when they moved on from Bo shows up, if he does, it will be a good game.
If he doesn't, I see Houston padding his INT lead... and the Jeff's getting some stats to catch up on Betts
My only concern is blocking Awe, and stopping him from doing damage, especially dirty damage...
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 18, 2023, 03:20:42 PM
Stamps lose Moxey @ CB for this game.
That's a big piece missing from their secondary.
Quote from: bwiser on August 18, 2023, 01:35:59 PM
Beating Calgary tonight will send a message to the Stamps that the Bombers are a superior team to them. Calgary has struggled at times this season but I do think they will be in the playoffs when the dust settles.The Bombers need to show all contenders that the road to the Grey Cup goes through Winnipeg.
Without John Hufnagel at the helm, Calgary is a different team.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 18, 2023, 12:52:23 PM
Probably right but Dru Brown won't have as easy of a time today. I'm sure he'll make a few mistakes and come down to earth a little bit. Calgary is a legit CFL team for one, even if duking it out for that last playoff spot. Brown did his best work scrambling to his right and they know that too. We are going to find out if Brown can operate the offense against a team prepared to play an inexperienced QB that has a bit of film. One of the reasons most of the young QBs in this league look below average is because defenses (and their coordinators) and legitimately good.
You?re going to have to explain to me how Calgary is a ?legit CFL team?.
They are 3-6 in a year where only three teams have shown to be legit.
Quote from: TBURGESS on August 18, 2023, 01:57:57 PM
I think we're in for a tough game tonight. Calgary is not Edmonton. Dru is starting & Calgary has film on him. Calgary needs the win to get back into the playoff picture.
I agree with your comments. We will be heading out to the game later today and hopefully the rain will pass us by although Environment Canada has Thundestorms in the forecast and it is very cloudy at the moment with winds out of the north and gusting. Might be a wet windy night! - need to load up on coffee and hotdogs to keep the cold out! ;D
Hopefully not another weather delay game! If that happens during the Bomber game I may get too much into my fresh new....strike what....bottle of Vodka and miss a thing or two....
Both teams have good running games, I would expect Cal. to play a dink and dunk type offence. We tend to play a bit off and keep the ball in front of us, so I expect Cal. will put up some yards against us, but hopefully we tighten up in the red zone as we have shown we can do and limit the scoring. Still not totally sure how Brown looks, the small sample size was great, but hard to judge playing Edm. He did hit a couple nice mid-long passes, and did show some poise and escape ability in the pocket. Let's just hope he continues and limits mistakes.
And please, please, please Bombers please start playing the game when the actual game starts......
If we succeed in taking away their run game then IMO we win easily. Whether that's by very good offensive output by us ( TOP, score and field position ) or just by stuffing them by our defence.
I don't think they will have great success with their passing game, especially if we negate their run game.
Weather could be an equalizer though. Game of turnovers possibly.
EDIT: Obviously every game is important. However we're locked into a 1st place tie with the Lions. Can't let them gain any ground. The difference between 1st place and 2nd place at the end of the season could be losing one game we should have won ( Redblacks game ).
This is a game we should win. Take it to the Stamps tonight.,
The Playbook - Winnipeg at Calgary...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2023/08/17/the-playbook-wpg-at-cgy/
Quote from: BBRT on August 17, 2023, 04:28:24 PM
I will be there - one of the few games I attend at McMahon Stadium (even though I have season tickets - got to support the CFL). Today will be a high of 34C but tomorrow around 17C with rain so might be a little wet. Not sure which team has an advantage a wet field brings. The one thing that will be a problem for the Stamps Organization is that attendance is down this year and a wet and somewhat cold experience will keep the numbers in attendance down even more.
It is a pretty sorry sight as I sit in the SuperReds section and most of the folks I use to see in my sectiond no longer show up! However the hot dogs and diet cokes are still good! :D
We are driving up from the EDM area to watch the game. Hope its a good one. Will be our first trip to McMahon Stadium
Crappy weather here in Calgary today. Cloudy, cold, windy and rain. Might be a game we have to get the running game going. Hopefully the big boys up front are ready to come out physical. Don?t think we will push the ball down field as much. Defence needs to be better stopping the run. Carey and Mills can be a load so the front 7 will need to be ready and finish every tackle.
Quote from: Tehedra on August 18, 2023, 08:23:30 PM
We are driving up from the EDM area to watch the game. Hope its a good one. Will be our first trip to McMahon Stadium
Not sure where you will be parking but there is parking just North of the stadium or so. Still not the best option. Might want to park at the closet C-Train station and take the C-train to the game and then C-train it back to the station you park at.
Enjoy the game - going to be a wet one - and a little chilly too.
Quote from: RyGuy13 on August 18, 2023, 08:55:26 PM
Crappy weather here in Calgary today. Cloudy, cold, windy and rain. Might be a game we have to get the running game going. Hopefully the big boys up front are ready to come out physical. Don?t think we will push the ball down field as much. Defence needs to be better stopping the run. Carey and Mills can be a load so the front 7 will need to be ready and finish every tackle.
You're not kidding - just looked at EC, it's only 10 degrees !!! Wind 46km/h and 100% chance of rain all evening
sloppy wet weather will favour Calgary, in that it will take away from our passing game, the game will be close, we should win though
Quote from: The Zipp on August 18, 2023, 09:55:45 PM
You're not kidding - just looked at EC, it's only 10 degrees !!! Wind 46km/h and 100% chance of rain all evening
According to the latest on the Weather Network, the forecast for this evening is cloudy with sunny breaks and cloudy periods overnight. Windy though at 25 K/hr gusting to 45 K/hr.
Quote from: ModAdmin on August 18, 2023, 10:04:53 PM
According to the latest on the Weather Network, the forecast for this evening is cloudy with sunny breaks and cloudy periods overnight. Windy though at 25 K/hr gusting to 45 K/hr.
Kicking game will be a real test too. Don?t see either team attempting anything long distance. Possession time will be key. Don?t need huge chunk yards (unless it?s there). Brady/McCrae/Demski will need to get the running game going. Should be a messy one. Go Bombers!
Quote from: dd on August 18, 2023, 10:04:23 PM
sloppy wet weather will favour Calgary, in that it will take away from our passing game, the game will be close, we should win though
How does it favour Calgary?
Quote from: Jesse on August 18, 2023, 10:55:27 PM
How does it favour Calgary?
I guess they think the CGY running game is better than ours... but I think our Oline and RB are every bit as good, if not better...
May impact the number of long bombs we attempt and are successful at...our offense does like those recently - but weather is the same for both teams. Inexperienced QB in Brown will be a bigger factor.
Meh. Maier is just as inexperienced and not as good.
No pre-game show booooo
Just watching Brown for last week as we speak
Sneaky good him
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 12:05:33 AM
May impact the number of long bombs we attempt and are successful at...our offense does like those recently - but weather is the same for both teams. Inexperienced QB in Brown will be a bigger factor.
Then I looks at Buck to have the game plan to use his weapons and blocking tenancy advantages in Browns favour. Do that he will do well. His release is lightning fast and accuracy has been there. We shall see?
Awaken the beast - Oliveira! Hoping for a big night.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 18, 2023, 04:46:34 PM
If we succeed in taking away their run game then IMO we win easily. Whether that's by very good offensive output by us ( TOP, score and field position ) or just by stuffing them by our defence.
I don't think they will have great success with their passing game, especially if we negate their run game.
Ya, need to stop Carey and Mills. I'd normally be worried, but Wilson is back and that weak side won't be a gimmee of 15 free yards anymore. I still expect them to run A-gap and also outside the tackles, as that's our weakest points so far this season. If we can stuff the outsides, maybe we leave just the A-gap and Biggie can do some middle stuffing.
Because of the rain I'm torn between Lawler and Brady in fantasy... can't afford both...
Here we got BOYZZZZZ.
It would be nice if Oliveira could have a break out game here! :D
Quote from: Tiger on August 19, 2023, 12:51:30 AM
Awaken the beast - Oliveira! Hoping for a big night.
Here here! Clink!
Quote from: Jesse on August 19, 2023, 12:24:53 AM
Meh. Maier is just as inexperienced and not as good.
Maier is morphing into what Dickie wants him to be. A reliable, no-turnover, short/mid passer making good decisions and managing the game. And taking a deep shot the once in a blue moon that coverage is blown. And he's not bad at it.
I'd call Maier a Nichols-like QB but with less arm and not quite as quick/smart. I think as long as Maier improves every few weeks, which he's been doing for 3 years, he'll keep the job and become serviceable.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 12:43:43 AM
No pre-game show booooo
Boooooooooooooooooooo
I was looking for it too. I think they throw darts at the wall to determine if there's a pregame show or not. I think the Bombers deserve a show every week!! ;D
Maybe Willie can wake up from Last week!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 12:59:54 AM
It would be nice if Oliveira could have a break out game here! :D
I picked Lawler in the end... so BO20 can do well, but I'm willing Kenny on to have another 200 yarder! (And 2 TDs please!) :D
Breathe Paul Breathe lol
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 01:04:06 AM
I picked Lawler in the end... so BO20 can do well, but I'm willing Kenny on to have another 200 yarder! (And 2 TDs please!) :D
Schoen needs to wake up a bit to. He is behind last years pace. Up to Buck!
Calgary going to try and run between the tackles early and often. If we can stop that we'll probably win but Calgary likes that part of the match up I'm sure.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2023, 01:05:12 AM
Calgary going to try and run between the tackles early and often. If we can stop that we'll probably win but Calgary likes that part of the match up I'm sure.
That would be the game plan to stop that you?d think from the Bombers stand point but Stamps might go deep with no WRs. :D
Thunder storm lol
Oh wait it is Calgary wait 5 mins LOL
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 01:07:38 AM
Thunder storm lol
Oh wait it is Calgary wait 5 mins LOL
Ya looks gorgeous there. Clear skies. That is some cold temps though, I bet the boys will like it better, though.
Everytime I see those jerseys I think Colornel Saunders
Nice job Wilson
WILLLSONNNN LOL
I like the new University line under the roster names.
Nice 2 & out. DBs blanketing. Maier clearly not a runner. Good, only helps our cause
I didn't see the ball... didn't it land OOB? Ah, there's the flag
Prukop does as Prukop does
Dru's gotta work on those slight throwbehinds on the outs. I think that's the 3rd time he's done that. Luckily it hasn't been too far behind.
Shades of Strevie on Prukop ;D ;D ;D
Happy Woli's doing just fine.
No wonder I didn't see the punt, Yoshi got it!
Great drive so far. That misdirection to open Woli at the sticks was a great play call. Love those plays. More please Buck!
Snap the ball, that might not be a catch
Bailey's best sweep yet! Often he gets stuffed. They must not have been expecting that
Use Brady more. Brown was lucky he did not get picked.
Missed it by that much. Well, darn good attempt anyway. When the ball was released I screamed out "overthrow". 6 inches lower and Kenny gets me those fantasy points!
They must have been practising that play, it's not something we normally run, but it's a great play.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 01:19:31 AM
Use Brady more. Brown was lucky he did not get picked.
Yup, not the best decision under pressure, but it worked out ok and Bailey could have brought it down. I hope he knows he's allowed to take a sack!
Hallett The Uninjured is a demon on teams. He's always coming in and saving the day and hitting hard. He's a keeper 100%.
And Wilson is a one man wrecking crew against the run. He's been back, what, 2 games? and he's already making a huge impact shutting down that weak side and jumping the holes getting behind the LoS.
I think Maier actually likes playing against a D like ours, because we are happy to give up the dink&dunk. It's really all Maier can do, so he's a happy camper right now.
We'll have to do some disrupting / tricks on those easy outs and hitches to make it not quite so comfortable for him.
So far we're doing great against the run, so we're sticking to plan. I think it's a good plan, but we'll need some dunks to go bad for Maier.
Zach sponsored by Big League Chew??
Didn't like that series by Brown...
Punter looking a bit too relaxed there ?
I like Dru's play so far. Only one iffy read. Taking what's being given and biding his time. Doing the Maier dink & dunk himself.
Well, that punt block is disappointing. Nice quick punt, so that is on the blocking scheme. Boudreau needs to do better. That shouldn't happen.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 01:32:53 AM
Punter looking a bit too relaxed there ?
They were bringing the block blitz, ignoring the coverage.
I guess that's on #17
If you let Holm keep up with you then he's going bat that sucker down. You can only beat Holm with max speed.
Every time we've played CGY in regular season in 3 years both teams have played it conservative, especially in the 1st half. They size each other up before someone starts taking chances. Respect for the other team / coordinators.
I love it! First time all season Prukop handed it off instead of running himself! That held CGY for a little bit. Too bad they didn't bite harder.
Big Stan saves our ***
I hate mid game interviews...
I hate not going for it...
I like having Sergio...
I flippen hate in game interviews.....
No going for it? Conservative
TSN showed 3rd & 1 but it must have been almost 2. Brady didn't get hardly anything on that run. Disappointing.
Its not a bad decision. Its early in game and our defense is playing pretty good.
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on August 19, 2023, 01:45:23 AM
I flippen hate in game interviews.....
Oh my god, was that awful, painful to listen to.
Quote from: bwiser on August 19, 2023, 01:46:39 AM
Its not a bad decision. Its early in game and our defense is playing pretty good.
Ya, I'm fine with it. When you can tie it, you tie it. Still, would have liked to see how far it was to go. Thanks TSN, not
Anyone see who was offside there? Of course no commentary on it.
Doink-a-liscious
I?m pretty sure it was the entire line.
CGY and Parades gonna nickel and dime us into oblivion if we're not getting some earlier stops.
EDIT: ya, that's what we needed! Dude always looks like he's crying with mascara on, weird. Kinda like Maas, just always appears to be crying. Weird.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 01:51:18 AM
Anyone see who was offside there? Of course no commentary on it.
It didn?t appear to be anyone. There was a solid yard separation and a flag comes out?? Chintzy penalty at best. Brutal there wasn?t a better replay to show what the infraction was or whether there was t one as it appeared there wasn?t one
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 01:51:18 AM
Anyone see who was offside there? Of course no commentary on it.
The closest to being OS was a guy near the end of the far side from the cameras. But based on the far line judge's foot placement I thought he was fine. It wasn't the near guy inching up before the snap. I suppose it was a fair call. Irritating though.
Nice (mostly) clean ball so far. Both sides. I like our plan so far, but we need to get a major soon and get out ahead.
Man, I always bite on those Dru fakes.
If we had retained Nick we might have caught that ball. :D :D :D
Haha, right when I said clean ball. OS Kenny by a mile; getting excited to make up for that whiff
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 01:53:31 AM
It didn?t appear to be anyone. There was a solid yard separation and a flag comes out?? Chintzy penalty at best. Brutal there wasn?t a better replay to show what the infraction was or whether there was t one as it appeared there wasn?t one
Agreed - if anything the far guy had a pinky just touching the line. Brutal call.
Nick Taylor head hunting on Bailey there. Glad it's on Bailey, he's the toughest by far.
Judge hurt again. If he goes out that will hamper CGY with the ratio. Williams is a good WILL but he's IMP. ... although, with the 2022 NATIMP rules I think he can play as a FAKENAT for the rest of the game if he's a 3+ years CGY vet? Anyone know if he is?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 01:57:39 AM
Haha, right when I said clean ball. OS Kenny by a mile; getting excited to make up for that whiff
Agree with commentary (for once) - probably couldn't hear the count.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 01:58:36 AM
Agreed - if anything the far guy had a pinky just touching the line. Brutal call.
You?re really looking too hard into it if you honestly think that?s offside ref. Brutal call indeed.
Beautiful punt!
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 02:00:21 AM
Agree with commentary (for once) - probably couldn't hear the count.
Wow, thanks! ;D ;D :P :P :D :D
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 02:00:27 AM
You?re really looking too hard into it if you honestly think that?s offside ref. Brutal call indeed.
Wish I could give a thumbs up on here in 2023.
Kramdi - oof
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:01:28 AM
Wow, thanks! ;D ;D :P :P :D :D
Haha - that wasn't meant to you! I mean to tv commentary! They are brutal.
But I usually agree with you Tecno!!
DL weak so far with no sacks and very little pressure. Willie can't have another game off. We haven't blitzed at all, I don't think. Run blitzed, ya, but no pass rush blitz.
Our swarm should have stopped Carey 5 yards farther back. What a handful. Going for the strip. I guess it's ok when he's stuffed.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 02:02:44 AM
Kramdi - oof
Yikes, ya, that was a brutal play/non play on the ball
So how are we feeling so far? Doing well. But a couple/few completed/attempted explosions against us, and none of our own.
I don't like keeping them so close though. A couple/few visits to the red zone and nothing but FGs. Need to correct that.
Dru seems to be trying to dial it in, and not perfectly on point yet.
Tommy Lee - thanks for dropping that !!
Tre Roberson - thanks for dropping that!!
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 02:03:56 AM
Yikes, ya, that was a brutal play/non play on the ball
What did Kramdi do? I missed it.
Bad decision by Dru. Bailed out by cold hands on Roberson. Dru needs to remember that's an all-star over there.
Brown has come back down to earth. Looking very ho hum tonight.
Our punter makes me very nervous every time he punts. He takes forever to kick the ball!!
Rest of the team needs to step up to help their rookie. Need more than the usual effort.
Dru has a cannon, so let's use it.
CGY is starting to get momo. Can't let them get the momo mojo.
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 02:09:08 AM
Our punter makes me very nervous every time he punts. He takes forever to kick the ball!!
But he's not. The blocking is pathetic!! Just look at that last whiff right up the middle! We aren't respecting them trying to block. Need to play for the block as that's clearly the CGY plan.
Nobody calls holding anymore...
My word, that's holding on 99 (Lawson?). You can take him to the ground but you can't hold him there for an hour.
Good thing Maier doesn't know the meaning of north. He could have easily had 1st down.
Sleeping a bit again. All 3 phases. Guys need double up the salts in the thin CGY air. We need the team to step up to help Dru.
We're shortening the game for some reason. Most O snaps we're letting the play clock get down near 0.
Sloppy second quarter. Buck got too conservative as things went on. Brown looks more like a young QB tonight. Still plenty of good, though.
How many people said after the last game to make Dru our started and maybe trade Zac? I don't think so yet or for a while at least.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2023, 02:15:45 AM
Sloppy second quarter. Buck got too conservative as things went on. Brown looks more like a young QB tonight. Still plenty of good, though.
Last game when Dru came in we had nothing to lose. Let him loose.
This game we have everything to lose, so they rein in Dru.
It's disappointing to me that we're failing 2 or 3 2nd & 3ish's with Brady. OL/BO need to do better on that or we need to look for some short passes on 2nd & short.
DL needs to play waaaaay better. So much money tied up in the DL. Maier's not that good and we're giving him all day. They aren't going max pro. No reason we can't scheme some wins for our DL. Hall needs to do mini blitzes once in a while to keep them guessing. I want a Willie stat.
So far me picking Lawler instead of Brady looks plain dumb. And Dru at $7k in fantasy was too tempting but may also be a bust. Dru seems to have way less zip on the ball, weird.
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 02:09:08 AM
Our punter makes me very nervous every time he punts. He takes forever to kick the ball!!
Yes he does, still thinks he's playing rugby.
Announcers haven't really mentioned the wind and who has it...I can hear it howling, Maier mentioned it ...nothing from TSN.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 02:27:07 AM
Announcers haven't really mentioned the wind and who has it...I can hear it howling, Maier mentioned it ...nothing from TSN.
I'll go back before the game starts back up and see if I can see.
EDIT: when CGY did 2nd FG in 1st Q the wind was blowing with CGY and to the right of the kicker. Will have to work out what that translates to for 2nd half.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:11:39 AM
My word, that's holding on 99 (Lawson?). You can take him to the ground but you can't hold him there for an hour.
Good thing Maier doesn't know the meaning of north. He could have easily had 1st down.
Actually the offensive lineman can stay on top of a DL player, he does not have to get off of the player, that is not holding.
Good Road game for us. ;D
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 02:28:41 AM
Actually the offensive lineman can stay on top of a DL player, he does not have to get off of the player, that is not holding.
I've seen it called when the DL is trying to get up and OL just parks his butt on his torso. If OL fell on and is getting up it's ok, but not just parking there. But it might depend on if the ball is going anywhere near that occurrence.
Critical to capture the momentum early here. That might mean a big D play.
An actual catch on one of these near-INTs on Dru would be catastrophic.
Quote from: Blue72 on August 19, 2023, 02:19:20 AM
How many people said after the last game to make Dru our started and maybe trade Zac? I don't think so yet or for a while at least.
Did anyone actually say that!? I doubt anyone that has been watching football for more than a few games.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:31:44 AM
I've seen it called when the DL is trying to get up and OL just parks his butt on his torso. If OL fell on and is getting up it's ok, but not just parking there. But it might depend on if the ball is going anywhere near that occurrence.
Nope, played many years as on OL and you can stay on top of the fallen DL.
Another behind pass by Dru. He has trouble with that angle. Need to focus on that in practice.
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 02:33:05 AM
Nope, played many years as on OL and you can stay on top of the fallen DL.
I'll let you know next time they call it in the CFL. It is rare. I have seen it. Maybe the ref was wrong.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 02:33:05 AM
Did anyone actually say that!? I doubt anyone that has been watching football for more than a few games.
Aards has been, and maybe 2 others. Getting a bit ahead of the situation.
We have them right where we went em.
Jeff Garcia in da house! Pooo poooo foooo foooo
Did anyone catch (or can find) ToP? I think it's somewhat even? Need it to be even (or for us).
Both Maier and Dru making this look like a SSK/HAM game. Not pretty so far. It might come down to an upset play. I hope it's our guys stepping up.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:33:40 AM
Another behind pass by Dru. He has trouble with that angle. Need to focus on that in practice.
He's struggling, but I would venture to say Maier is struggling more.
McRae does not get up to top speed when he catches the punt, he is hesitating when he runs, I call it running cautiously. He needs to catch it and go accelerating right away.
Wearing toques August 18th just doesn't look right.
Both teams playing very conservative. Open up the playbook Buck.
C mon Blue...two kind of shinkyQB's today.....
Pro ain?t Pro at anything.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 02:37:34 AM
He's struggling, but I would venture to say Maier is struggling more.
I didn't catch the stats at half, but Maier must have 4X the passing yards than Dru.
Flustered coming out of halftime is not a good look. Need to pull it together.
We need Zach back!
Kick Coverage screws us of course!
That wouldn't have made a difference, but come on - no one is catching now in the second half.
Is no one ready for this "cold"? Holy smokes it's dropsie city. Get the hand warmers muffs out.
Giving the momo to CGY. Big mistake. Many joggers on that punt return. Sad.
Feel for Brown but jeez. Stop forcing Prukop. Give him short yardage and that?s it. Putting him in on first down has yet to work out for us.
Bombers playing like crap, can I change my pick?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:40:25 AM
I didn't catch the stats at half, but Maier must have 4X the passing yards than Dru.
Flustered coming out of halftime is not a good look. Need to pull it together.
Maker had 72 passing yards at halftime, Brown had 63.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:40:25 AM
I didn't catch the stats at half, but Maier must have 4X the passing yards than Dru.
Flustered coming out of halftime is not a good look. Need to pull it together.
I don't think so - not much more than Brown IIRC.
Quote from: kkc60 on August 19, 2023, 02:42:00 AM
Feel for Brown but jeez. Stop forcing Prukop. Give him short yardage and that?s it. Putting him in on first down has yet to work out for us.
Exactly. Not like he is a dynamic change up...
Quote from: kkc60 on August 19, 2023, 02:42:00 AM
Feel for Brown but jeez. Stop forcing Prukop. Give him short yardage and that?s it. Putting him in on first down has yet to work out for us.
Agreed. Not sure what they are thinking with this.
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 02:42:08 AM
Bombers playing like crap, can I change my pick?
Still lots of game to go. Lucky for us CGY is playing pretty sleepy too. That's why I don't want to give them momentum. If they get happy morale they have a great chance to win.
Quote from: John T. on August 19, 2023, 02:42:28 AM
Maker had 72 passing yards at halftime, Brown had 63.
Wow, it sure didn't feel like that with the explosions Maier got.
We're really lucky Maier is pulling a noodle-arm BLM night.
Dickie gonna lose that challenge. The only hope is if they say the ball was firmly in control the whole time it was on the turf.
It is rare they call that a catch. They really don't like those "traps" even if the hands don't move. I think one hand slightly moves up the ball. You could possibly call it a catch on field, but to overturn? That's a stretch
one for eight lol
If it's late in 4th and we are close and need game-winning drive, do we put in a cold Zach? Would that be a good idea?
This will be a sad day if we lose 2 divisional points today to an extremely weak and beatable CGY team. Lions pulled off some wins with their backup Evans to keep pace. We need to do the same.
Special teams hanging us out...the block and the big return
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:47:43 AM
If it's late in 4th and we are close and need game-winning drive, do we put in a cold Zach? Would that be a good idea?
He is chewing gum in street clothes
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:47:43 AM
If it's late in 4th and we are close and need game-winning drive, do we put in a cold Zach? Would that be a good idea?
let?s put Zach in wearing a track suit no let?s see what happens. :D ::)
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 02:49:00 AM
He is chewing gum in street clothes
I thought we were forced to dress 3. Oh well. We ride with Dru
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:47:43 AM
If it's late in 4th and we are close and need game-winning drive, do we put in a cold Zach? Would that be a good idea?
This will be a sad day if we lose 2 divisional points today to an extremely weak and beatable CGY team. Lions pulled off some wins with their backup Evans to keep pace. We need to do the same.
Zach isn't even dressed!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 02:49:00 AM
He is chewing gum in street clothes
Yeah no chance he would go in
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 02:49:43 AM
Zach isn't even dressed!
:D :D
Brown just needs to make a play
Crap!
Dru is not ready for primetime just yet.
We need to find another Miller because these ST players aren't doing the job. Plus we are also hurting on the kick returns not going anywhere for us
Okay hold them here now D!!!
Vet D and DC preying on the "new guy". Let's open it up!
We're short of the sticks every time and then the other way gets FGs 50% of the time. Not a recipe for success. Where's some Kenny go routes, just chuck it over everyone like that first TD try.
That was a really quick punt.
Dru wants to stay in Winnipeg as ZC backup.
Strong tackle Lawson
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 02:51:17 AM
Okay hold them here now D!!!
D is the reason we're in this game so far. Run stuffing all night, only let 1 slip through for a mid gain so far.
Rose got beat
***!!!!
Jeepets is our offence terrible today....yuk! It's Brady or ..nothing today.
DL still not doing anything on the pass. Willie day off. Aggravating.
Just stopping the run might not be enough. Go zone and get pressure and some INTs.
Feels like we need a turnover
Our D is invisible with Jefferson and Jeffcoat tonight....
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:53:30 AM
DL still not doing anything on the pass. Willie day off. Aggravating.
Just stopping the run might not be enough. Go zone and get pressure and some INTs.
that is 1.5 games this has been a case with him.
Quote from: barbk on August 19, 2023, 02:54:04 AM
Our D is invisible with Jefferson and Jeffcoat tonight....
Jeffcoat made one nice tackle but that is it.
What on earth can be that flag? We have every right to play that ball
Are you freaking kidding me?! How desperate is the cfl to get Calgary a win here?!
That was no penalty, CFL wants Cal to win.
Holy sh*t he tried to avoid him!!!
This where Cal pulls away from us.
Ball came out!
That was the biggest BS penalty I've ever seen. Challenge that, command needs to chime in
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 02:56:56 AM
This where Cal pulls away from us.
This is where Calgary and the refs pull away from us
Needs to survive contact diving down
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:57:09 AM
That was the biggest BS penalty I've ever seen. Challenge that, command needs to chime in
bad bad call but will not win that challenge.
What is going on in this game all of a sudden?
We got super lucky there.
::)A bit surprised the refs didn't call that a catch.
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 02:58:09 AM
bad bad call but will not win that challenge.
Oh I think that was very challengeable.
Ball don't lie
Some terrible reffing from Ben major
We cannot survive these explosions since we don't have any explosions of our own.
Refs gave CGY the green-light they will get the game handed to them?
2 horrific calls in a row and MOS sleeping. Tough to challenge in the 3rd Q when you know refs have it in for you tonight.
Did Buck and Zac both take the day off?
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 02:58:36 AM
::)A bit surprised the refs didn't call that a catch.
Ya, clearly a CGY catch ::) ::) ::) Maybe Dickie will challenge :o :o
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 02:59:49 AM
We cannot survive these explosions since we don't have any explosions of our own.
Refs gave CGY the green-light they will get the game handed to them?
2 horrific calls in a row and MOS sleeping. Tough to challenge in the 3rd Q when you know refs have it in for you tonight.
I agree in principle, but a coach has to assume the refs do not have it in for you and play the game and challenge when it is needed.
May lord Brown coming way down to earth!
Dru throwing nice-touch balls when he needs to zip it in. He was zipping them on a line in EDM game and now he's going soft. Zip those things in!
Run the ball Buck!!!
Looked like Stanley was holding on that pass to shoen
Great call on Dozier
No, throw the ball deep. Dink & dunk isn't going to win this when they can stop 2nd & 3 with BO20
Buck needs to make a great call here! I
They aren't respecting our deep threat since we're not testing them at all. Zero really deep passes. The deepest was that missed Lawler TD
No stupid flags please for that pushing and shoving
We need a TD here, not 3 points.
They've figured out the Dru right-rollout
DE just rushes up the right for instant pressure
A screen pass would have looked nice there.
Interior OL BROKE WAY DOWN ON THAT ONE
Should have run the ball on first and goal.
Cummon D
Okay, down 3 with a full quarter to go. Lots of time.
HOUSTON!
Well we won't have to worry about other teams poaching Brown from us next year.
Should have kept running once close to EZ. Dru is great on the 25+ yard pass and not so hot on anything under. Run game on 1st down is very good. Play to our current strength.
Dru getting confused by very creative looks by CGY D. LBers dropping back all over the place.
FGs not good enough.
There we go! Good call goldy!
There's the explosion for momo we needed.
Of course Houston. Some said we might not start him coming out of TC!
I like it!
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:07:56 AM
There's the explosion for momo we needed.
Of course Houston. Some said we might not start him coming out of TC!
upgrade over Leggs. Not even close.
There we go. Thankfully he scored cause not sure the offense gets more than 3
Refs are gonna have to dig deep to hit the desired narrative...
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 03:05:37 AM
Interior OL BROKE WAY DOWN ON THAT ONE
Either Buck not giving Dru hot routes, or Drew not seeing it. Will need to dial up some blitz-busters.
Okay KO cover them let's GO!!!!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 03:08:28 AM
upgrade over Leggs. Not even close.
Wot? Hitting the sauce heavy tonight? ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D
Aah sh*t here we go, in booth interview and miss 5 minutes of the game.
Coverage sucks ***
KO cover team that is not what I meant?!?!
These god dam interviews TSN you suck
#1d nuff said
Cover needs to clean up. Boudreau failing a lot lately.
Ugh, I really never like Garcia, voice makes me cringe
Two interviews during the game...cmon TSN this sucks! Sucks sucks it's TERRIBLE stop doing it!!!
Oh look Jeffcoat dressed.
Huge play, but let's talk about 1998
Refs missed that illegal participation on our tackler
Quote from: 3rdand1.5 on August 19, 2023, 03:12:29 AM
Two interviews during the game...cmon TSN this sucks! Sucks sucks it's TERRIBLE stop doing it!!!
terrible mute button works great.
Is he still married to that playboy playmate? lol
Shut the f up and wire about the game on the field TODAY
How was there no no yards call on that punt?? 77 was clearly within 3 yards of McRae when he touched it. Cmon man!!!!
It is clear we need to field someone else to field punts and KO's until Grant gets healthy.
This is just going on and on. Really? TSN this is brutal. Thanks for taking us to commercial.
You sure you don't wanna bring in the 1998 backup Olineman to discuss what he had at Burger King today?
We're losing 100-200 net yards a game on the ST differential. I don't mind that McCrae doesn't get big yards, but we can't then on the other side give up such massive yards. We're basically letting them start near FG range every series, and allowing them to get close to busting one to the house.
Even worse is all these Can womens soccer commercials that have been running for a month - I saw more of the Canadian team in commercials that playing in the games
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 03:15:00 AM
You sure you don't wanna bring in the 1998 backup Olineman to discuss what he had at Burger King today?
Clearly a butter chicken!
O needs a long drive. Another Brady 2nd&3 stuff. Those have to be gimmees. We haven't thrown once on those. Need to throw sometimes or they just stuff the box. Argh, so frustrating. Buck isn't trusting Dru.
Called that last play.... so predictable now
Bo needs to follow his block
Needed to audible there
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 03:17:25 AM
Bo needs to follow his block
Nah no room there, they stacked up the box
Jefferson and Jeffcoat with a good game here
We are so lucky Maier can't throw and their receivers can't catch, or we'd be down 20
Finally some QB pressure
There's the DL, finally something, anything
Our O has scored 3 points so far in the 2nd half, won't win many games only doing that.
We're going to play conservative on O the whole night, aren't we? Now that we're up it'll be conservative central.
My best hope is we've set CGY up all game with some tendencies and now we pull the surprises. Now's the time. But at the same time: no turnovers, unless it's on a 65y pass.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:18:23 AM
We are so lucky Maier can't throw and their receivers can't catch, or we'd be down 20
We are also lucky we are an incredibly deep team that is well coached. Disagree. Overstated on negative
Okay let's get something going here on O.
And yes, these soccer commercials are getting ridiculous. Did they purchase the space assuming Canada would be in the final?
CGY itching for an INT. They've been soooo close. Dru not seeing all the trickery and dropped coverage. Gotta keep it clean.
The the rock and close this out.
Nice hurdle BO!
What!!!! the refs threw a flag against Cal?
Howsare used to do that in HAM too
Brady is such a beast. At this rate could join the greats I'm history.
Forde with so much grace for houser (I don't care about the spelling)
Is either offence in this game going to get a TD?
I love seeing an agitated Dickie. :o
That McCrae call was sheer brilliance tendency breaker.
TD...no FG!!!
Bugger off Dickinson.... now he's going to blame the Canadian Mafia on calls
Please run a screen
Can't have that grounding call
Nice nice play call Buck
The chicken littles / panic crowd said our OL was no good, too old and we should start our backups. Where did you go? Cooking bird?
Full run and pass blitz on 1st. Almost no hope there without extra max pro. Maybe Demski sneaking out but no time.
CGY blitzing in the red zone. Must go for the kill shot before we get within 25.
Dru limping now?
Yeah let Calgary players call the foul. *** idiot refs
Nic Taylor hugging Sergio after the field goal
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:26:45 AM
Full run and pass blitz on 1st. Almost no hope there without extra max pro. Maybe Demski sneaking out but no time.
CGY blitzing in the red zone. Must go for the kill shot before we get within 25.
Dru limping now?
Didn't notice o no
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:26:45 AM
Full run and pass blitz on 1st. Almost no hope there without extra max pro. Maybe Demski sneaking out but no time.
CGY blitzing in the red zone. Must go for the kill shot before we get within 25.
Dru limping now?
Oh, sure hope not
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 03:26:29 AM
The chicken littles / panic crowd said our OL was no good, too old and we should start our backups. Where did you go? Cooking bird?
It's not looking too great at the mo' pj! Lots of game and CGY shown they can get explosions. We have none (on O).
By the grace of God we're ahead, but the stats are probably pretty balanced.
So nice to have sergio back kicking...4/4 Leggs last night 1/4...
Quote from: barbk on August 19, 2023, 03:25:16 AM
Bugger off Dickinson.... now he's going to blame the Canadian Mafia on calls
Of all people, dickenson should appreciate the hits to the head penalties, he had his share of concussions because of those plays. And how howsare has the gaul to argue it, ridiculous
We needed a TD there, we re in trouble....
Who said Mair can't throw long?
Houston torched on a rainbow
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 03:30:01 AM
Who said Mair can't throw long?
Receivers are waiting for it every single time. His arm is very limited. It's our DL fault we aren't getting enough pressure after 4s!
That's an amazing game-saving tackle by Nichols. Didn't even let the guy fall forward for sneak range.
Thomas is just plain great
I hate these heart attack games. I'd rather drop 20 to OTT than sit with the game in the balance the whole time and lose by 1 at the end.
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 03:30:01 AM
Who said Mair can't throw long?
Tonight that?s literally the only thing he can do.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:31:25 AM
Receivers are waiting for it every single time. His arm is very limited. It's our DL fault we aren't getting enough pressure after 4s!
That's an amazing game-saving tackle by Nichols. Didn't even let the guy fall forward for sneak range.
Sick tackle #1d
Prukop drops it again...is that a called play?
Whoever said no trick Prukop plays was right. What a waste of a down at a critical point
Why the F is Prukop in on 1st again?!
I don't get it...prukop shouldn't be out there unless it's a sneak
Time for Prukop to redeem himself on the sneak
Gotta punt it here.
Prukop, again. Short yardage he?s good. He can?t be an actual QB. Gotta give it up
Now punt it here.
Prukop is as useless a player one team can have. Ridiculous
Dumbest play call I've ever seen. You still put Prukop in. MOS getting emotional?
CALL THE TIMEOUT, you have 2 and can't take 1 into the 3 min warning!!!!!
What the hell? Prukop goes in for 1st and now Brown is gonna sneak - with Collaros already injured?!
so many time counts. That?s gotta be coaching. Brown has been given absolutely no favours tonight.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:34:43 AM
Dumbest play call I've ever seen. You still put Prukop in. MOS getting emotional?
CALL THE TIMEOUT, you have 2 and can't take 1 into the 3 min warning!!!!!
agreed MOS screwing up right there.
Why didn?t we call timeout on the 3rd down play vs take the penalty?? I would have went for it to get the first down vs playing to lose. It?s going to come down to a field goal and we lose this game.
2nd time count on Brown and 2nd fumble on Prukop.
Setting up for a Paredes FG for the win
They were going 3rd & 1 from the gun to Brady!!! We NEVER NEVER do that. NEVER NEVER. I hate that call.
You put Prukop in and run your normal sneak. Prukop can do that much. Holy smokes.
If the clock gets low you call a timeout. This isn't rocket science. I don't understand MOS's hesitance right now.
If we somehow pull this game out, I sure hope everyone including coaches will be watching game film to see how bad they screwed up, 24/7 all week.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:36:07 AM
They were going 3rd & 1 from the gun to Brady!!! We NEVER NEVER do that. NEVER NEVER. I hate that call.
You put Prukop in and run your normal sneak. Prukop can do that much. Holy smokes.
If the clock gets low you call a timeout. This isn't rocket science. I don't understand MOS's hesitance right now.
Probably we were just trying to draw them offside anyway. Otherwise, not sure why we wouldn't take a timeout.
We will lose on a Cal FG again.
What in the tar was that set of downs.....what are we doing...this is self inflicted. Stupidity
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 03:35:40 AM
Why didn?t we call timeout on the 3rd down play vs take the penalty?? I would have went for it to get the first down vs playing to lose. It?s going to come down to a field goal and we lose this game.
We just lost the extra timeout going into the 3min warning!! On that very play!! What is MOS thinking? That is the biggest mental lapse by MOS in 5 years.
Once again it's a good thing CGY receivers can't catch.
Dustin and Ford can take a bloody hike! Biased crap.
How many times do we have to relive 1998?
Nice call Ref, it was DPI
Go to practice and call Prukop a useless player. Come up and report if your head is still attached. Have some respect. You don't have a clue. Tough game for him, bad calls, bad handoffs. Good player, key depth guy and specialist that is a proven vet.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2023, 03:37:08 AM
Probably we were just trying to draw them offside anyway. Otherwise, not sure why we wouldn't take a timeout.
No, they snapped it with -1s on the clock!! It was a called play. Not a fake
First time we heard bighills name
Prukop is not a worth CFL participant
Winnable game. Pray for a Parades miss
run it out
Rudolph misses it.
Lady luck has blessed us today.
Time for O to have the last minute of their life
We need to move the ball for a couple of 1st downs.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 03:38:27 AM
Go to practice and call Prukop a useless player. Come up and report if your head is still attached. Have some respect. You don't have a clue. Tough game for him, bad calls, bad handoffs. Good player, key depth guy and specialist that is a proven vet.
Okay PJ, I've never called him useless but I didn't see if anyone else did.
I would say - very stupid use of Prukop today, very puzzling, surprised, doesn't make sense given his specialty. And Zach is injured so why have Dru sneak?
Absolutely must not give up the ball in this field position. Absolutely must get 1st down. I might even go for it on 3rd
Is tSN supplying these turds PomPoms?
Wow he didn?t fumble
Prukop redeemed. That might be game
Okay that may actually do it.
1 more first down needed
good thing Dickie has no TOs left
Attaboy Prukop!!!
W get outta town
OL not good enough they cried. Change em up they whined.
They'll have to get creative to kill the final few secs
Okay back to Zach for MTL at home.
Suck it Ford and Dustin.
98 team can eat me.
Prukop as useless as a player he claimed. That aged poorly.
The complaints about celebrating the great history of this league are really annoying. Yes it took away a bit from the game but geez give it a rest. Nice to see old faces and the league celebrate that.
Decent broadcast, good road victory. Good job Brown.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 03:44:10 AM
OL not good enough they cried. Change em up they whined.
Serious question - not sure what you mean, did I miss something on tv?
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 03:44:45 AM
Okay back to Zach for MTL at home.
clearly we need him back and healthy.
Phew, thought 44s was the magic number.
Uh, what am I seeing, the clock on the TV doesn't seem to match the one at the field??
McRae has got to catch that missed field goal on the run!! Why on earth let it bounce and give up yardage!? We need to get another option at returner ASAP!!
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 03:45:01 AM
Suck it Ford and Dustin.
98 team can eat me.
Awesome! You tell 'em! ;D ;D ;D
despite the win, im still frustrated over the red zone offence. Oliveira deserved some touches.
We escape! Start the bus let's get out of there.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 03:45:20 AM
Serious question - not sure what you mean, did I miss something on tv?
Oh okay, calling out others here. I get it.
For a minute I thought you were saying the Oline was crying. $func['entity_fix']('129315')$func['entity_fix']('129315')$func['entity_fix']('129315')
Dru and Kenny massive busts for me in fantasy.
Can someone explain to me why TSN showed 10s left on the clock when we took the 3rd down knee?? I thought they had horribly miscalculated.
I like Jermain Franklin's tie! I couldn't pull that off, but looks nice on him
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 03:45:20 AM
Serious question - not sure what you mean, did I miss something on tv?
There is a small group on the forum that thought our OL was terrible and we should switch players.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 03:47:18 AM
Oh okay, calling out others here. I get it.
For a minute I thought you were saying the Oline was crying. $func['entity_fix']('129315')$func['entity_fix']('129315')$func['entity_fix']('129315')
They will cry if there isn't a buffet after the game lol
With our run game, strong D and Brown developing and managing the game, no worries. Yes Zach is key but Moreno is his health and these reps for Brown are gold.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:47:50 AM
Dru and Kenny massive busts for me in fantasy.
Can someone explain to me why TSN showed 10s left on the clock when we took the 3rd down knee?? I thought they had horribly miscalculated.
I like Jermain Franklin's tie! I couldn't pull that off, but looks nice on him
TSN sucks but what you gonna do? :D
Whew. Horrible performance overall by offence and not so special teams. ST's nearly cost us the game. Bighill taking a PI when it wasn't going to be a completed pass.
Kudos to defence and Houston in particular.
Not a well called game by Pierce and even worse execution. Poor blocking by OL a lot of the night.
Regardless, it was a win and that was critical.
I think we need a new drinking game - shots every time Dustin says "are you kidding me?!"
I may be hammered by the half.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 03:38:27 AM
Go to practice and call Prukop a useless player. Come up and report if your head is still attached. Have some respect. You don't have a clue. Tough game for him, bad calls, bad handoffs. Good player, key depth guy and specialist that is a proven vet.
he?s a fine short yardage QB. Putting him on any time outside of 2nd and 1-2 or 3rd and 1 has proven to be a waste. Specialists can be specialists but they deserve criticism when they don?t perform well. The whole ?this player would tear your head off if you criticized him? is a weak cop-out.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 03:49:47 AM
I think we need a new drinking game - shots every time Dustin says "are you kidding me?!"
"what is going on here!"
You tell us Dustin, that's your job! ;D ;D
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:50:51 AM
"what is going on here!"
You tell us Dustin, that's your job! ;D ;D
he wants the sound bites. for every time it works, there?s a dozen times it doesn?t.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 03:49:38 AM
Whew. Horrible performance overall by offence and not so special teams. ST's nearly cost us the game. Bighill taking a PI when it wasn't going to be a completed pass.
Tell Biggie that when you PI someone, you don't put your arms up in the universal sign for "I just committed PI". Just play it cool like a normal play.
Without the pick six we lose this game easily.
If CGY receivers and DBs had hands we lose this game easily.
Quote from: kkc60 on August 19, 2023, 03:50:04 AM
he?s a fine short yardage QB. Putting him on any time outside of 2nd and 1-2 or 3rd and 1 has proven to be a waste. Specialists can be specialists but they deserve criticism when they don?t perform well. The whole ?this player would tear your head off if you criticized him? is a weak cop-out.
Nothing weak about it.
The poster suggested he was the most useless player or something like that. Talking about a bad performance yes, trashing a part of our team, never. Try calling a pro player the most useless player. Let me know how they take it. You are just looking to one up me. Seen this movie, got the t-shirt. Next. Best to respect all players, regardless of their performance or club they play for.
Quote from: kkc60 on August 19, 2023, 03:50:04 AM
he?s a fine short yardage QB. Putting him on any time outside of 2nd and 1-2 or 3rd and 1 has proven to be a waste. Specialists can be specialists but they deserve criticism when they don?t perform well. The whole ?this player would tear your head off if you criticized him? is a weak cop-out.
Yes, Prukop is a great SY guy. Since that botched pass in the GC I think it's clear we have to be careful using him in Strevie-mode. And the hand offs need some serious work or Prukop needs to keep it every time like he did every game except tonight.
Jake Maier is the Marc Leigghio of QB's
He will be replaced.
Ugly game but we beat Calgary in Calgary with our backup QB. Not easy.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:52:56 AM
Tell Biggie that when you PI someone, you don't put your arms up in the universal sign for "I just committed PI". Just play it cool like a normal play.
Without the pick six we lose this game easily.
If CGY receivers and DBs had hands we lose this game easily.
Biggie did a bad thing and yes that's pretty funny.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 03:49:38 AM
Whew. Horrible performance overall by offence and not so special teams. ST's nearly cost us the game. Bighill taking a PI when it wasn't going to be a completed pass.
Kudos to defence and Houston in particular.
Not a well called game by Pierce and even worse execution. Poor blocking by OL a lot of the night.
Regardless, it was a win and that was critical.
This.
Terrible game calling on O. Nothing like last week's swashbuckler style game.
Gotta improve the special teams. Been the best in the league for several seasons and this year it is poor. McRae is NOT a returner.
One thing for sure, if we had Legghio as our kicker, we lose that ball game.
It was an ugly ugly win, but a win non the less. C mon Zach get healthy we need you!!!
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 03:54:03 AM
Jake Maier is the Marc Leigghio of QB's
He will be replaced.
Overly critical, too early to know. Classic pile on a guy when down. Bad year for him. He still could figure it out. Not a great chance but he might slowly develop. Deep balls were nice. Overall not a good showing. Int was bad.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:53:49 AM
Yes, Prukop is a great SY guy. Since that botched pass in the GC I think it's clear we have to be careful using him in Strevie-mode. And the hand offs need some serious work or Prukop needs to keep it every time like he did every game except tonight.
Agree all. A nice balanced analysis of a key member of our club.
Tecno I'll eat a half crow pie. I though Brown would be better but I'm still happy with his effort.
Yeah Brown took heat but let's give credit for the OL.on the run game. Well done boyz.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 03:53:43 AM
Nothing weak about it.
The poster suggested he was the most useless player or something like that. Talking about a bad performance yes, trashing a part of our team, never. Try calling a pro player the most useless player. Let me know how they take it. You are just looking to one up me. Seen this movie, got the t-shirt. Next. Best to respect all players, regardless of their performance or club they play for.
he is useless as a QB outside of short yardage. It has never worked out positively when he isn?t in a short yardage package. I have better ways to spend my days than worrying about calling you out. Can?t stand people big talking players physically assaulting fans.
Bombers need to seriously try to get Parker back on the roster to return kicks. McCrae was costing us field position every kick including that last missed FG. We did manage to run out the clock but catching the miss on the run gets a few more yards if we failed getting a 1st down.
I haven't checked the stats yet. We seemed to abandon the run more in the 2nd half especially going into the wind. The run plays we ran were very predictable. With little success passing that made taking Oliveria out as a threat easier.
Defence didn't get enough pressure on Maier for most of the game. However the stopped the run and didn't give up a TD. At least 6 points given up were due to ST's. Blocked punt and return yardage.
I thought we'd have much more success on offence and a little less success on defence.
IMO field position created some problems for us tonight.
Luck was on our side.
Could the cry baby Dicky brothers be on the same unemployment line next year?
Quote from: kkc60 on August 19, 2023, 03:58:51 AM
he is useless as a QB outside of short yardage. It has never worked out positively when he isn?t in a short yardage package. I have better ways to spend my days than worrying about calling you out. Can?t stand people big talking players physically assaulting fans.
Double down on twisting what I said. Not a big talker stating the facts. You have a long history at chiming in when I call someone out or when you want to nick pick a random fight. The poster didn't make any sense and you are defending it by now calling Prukop useless. The lesson of the day is don't trash a player behind the keyboard and think its fine. The threshold for me is, who you say that you there face?
Yes of course the players will not assault fans, that was joke. Great a grip. Respect the player. It's not hard.
You and the other posters I believe are understating the value Prukop provides. Stability, insurance and an occasional package on O. Great on short yardage. Bad game for him, decent depth player.
I don't believe anyone should call any player useless on here.
Our passing game took a hit tonight. No 1 handed Lawler TD catches tonight. Brady had a beast of a game though, his open field running is all him on heart and desire. So inspirational to see him give his all when we needed it
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 04:03:40 AM
Double down on twisting what I said. Not a big talker stating the facts. You have a long history at chiming in when I call someone out. The poster didn't make any sense and you are defending it by now calling Prukop useless. The lesson of the day is don't trash a player behind the keyboard and think its fine. The threshold for me is, who you say that you there face?
Yes of course the players will not assault fans, that was joke. Great a grip. Respect the player. It's not hard.
Everyone get a grip!!!
Fans are revved up and often overstate things in 5e heat of the moment. Let it go. Quit playing mother Theresa holier than thou with them . Just let it go. We have moderators on here, we don?t need you breaking off all the time and antogonizing the situation. If someone?s over the line, they ll be desceretly contacted by the mods, no need for your antics
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:02:02 AM
Bombers need to seriously try to get Parker back on the roster to return kicks. McCrae was costing us field position every kick including that last missed FG. We did manage to run out the clock but catching the miss on the run gets a few more yards if we failed getting a 1st down.
I haven't checked the stats yet. We seemed to abandon the run more in the 2nd half especially going into the wind. The run plays we ran were very predictable. With little success passing that made taking Oliveria out as a threat.
Very much agree. McCrae is not a returner not sure why O'Shea is not seeing that. Also need to one of Fox, Haba or Garbutt need to be in the lineup to keep the DL fresh.
Something has to change on our kick cover teams. That was even worse than our returns. Give credit to Stamp returner but still we didn't cover well. What key ingredient are we missing?
Gauthier and Clements?
Not one of our best wins, but it's a win. Dru, took a step. Purkop, had a very rough night. SC13 rock solid. Take it. Return game, was terrible, teams in general, not good.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 19, 2023, 04:07:28 AM
Very much agree. McCrae is not a returner not sure why O'Shea is not seeing that. Also need to one of Fox, Haba or Garbutt need to be in the lineup to keep the DL fresh.
Need a better backup returner agree
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:08:06 AM
Something has to change on our kick cover teams. That was even worse than our returns. Give credit to Stamp returner but still we didn't not cover well. What key ingredient are we missing?
Gauthier and Clements?
Gauthier, Miller and Hansen.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:08:06 AM
Something has to change on our kick cover teams. That was even worse than our returns. Give credit to Stamp returner but still we didn't not cover well. What key ingredient are we missing?
Gauthier and Clements?
Agree, big issue all year. Both those guys will help but might be schemes too?
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 19, 2023, 04:10:18 AM
Gauthier, Miller and Hansen.
Good point
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 19, 2023, 04:07:28 AM
Very much agree. McCrae is not a returner not sure why O'Shea is not seeing that. Also need to one of Fox, Haba or Garbutt need to be in the lineup to keep the DL fresh.
I think we all like McCrae if and when we can use him a bit more on offence ( swiss army knife ). But if he's being used as a returner he sees less reps on offence. Overall it doesn't seem like the best option. Now it's been mentioned their are options to have both on the AR but O'Shea has chosen not to make that decision.
Bombers seem to have totally given up using Augustine on offence.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 04:10:47 AM
Agree, big issue all year. Both those guys will help but might be schemes too?Good point
I'm not sure if or when we'll see Hansen or Miller. That's why I mentioned Gauthier and Clements since they MIGHT be back soon.
Actually we can't forget about getting Grant back. That alone improves field position even when you have to punt.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:13:33 AM
I'm not sure if or when we'll see Hansen or Miller. That's why I mentioned Gauthier and Clements since they MIGHT be back soon.
True
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:11:13 AM
I think we all like McCrae if and when we can use him a bit more on offence ( swiss army knife ). But if he's being used as a returner he sees less reps on offence. Overall it doesn't seem like the best option. Now it's been mentioned their are options to have both on the AR but O'Shea has chosen not to make that decision.
Bombers seem to have totally given up using Augustine on offence.
Although Augustine has had limited opportunities, IMHO he has not taken advantage of them.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 19, 2023, 04:10:18 AM
Gauthier, Miller and Hansen.
The replacements aren't getting it done..exhume is not the answer.
Miller is one of the best there ever was...he is getting up there in age. Gauthier is close to coming back.
Maybe we need to adjust something cause against really good teams we can't be losing the feild position.
I just don?t get why Johnny A isn?t taking offensive reps, I just don?t get it. We need to involve him and keep developing him as if Brady goes down, there goes our ratio.
I would give Augustine reps at returner. McRae letting that missed field goal bounce cost us 15 yards on our return in a tightly fought game. You just can?t do that
Will re-watch game tomorrow.
Kramdi: I think I noticed him make a couple of good plays. Also noticed a couple, including the punt block which might have been errors on his part. Another in coverage that may not have been his primary responsibility
Jackson. Only saw him a couple of times. Once he may have chosen to block an inside rusher, causing real pressure / problem for Brown etc. etc.
On the one hand, you should never complain when you get a win on the road with your #2 QB.
On the other hand:
Kick coverage terrible, I think we are worst in league. Leake will eat us up.
McRae a disaster as a returner, bobbles, fumbles or runs 3 yards into a pile of players. Parker should be our returner til Grant is back.
Drew is not ready for prime time. He has the best set of receivers and running back in the league, and a top 3 O-line, but offense was anemic. Brady saved the day. There is no longer a QB controversy in Winnipeg if there ever was one.
One of MOS's worst games: why take a time count penalty at the end when you have your time outs? Why not challenge the penalty on Holm?The gamble on at the end on third and 1+ also a head scratcher to me. Get Calgary deep and trust defense is playing lights out, trust them to win the game.
Calgary should have been called for no yards on the punt at the end that bounced forwards and was caught by McRae on the hop.
But no complaints... we won. :D
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 04:15:23 AM
The replacements aren't getting it done..exhume is not the answer.
Miller is one of the best there ever was...he is getting up there in age. Gauthier is close to coming back.
Maybe we need to adjust something cause against really good teams we can't be losing the feild position.
+1
Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on August 19, 2023, 03:13:57 AM
Is he still married to that playboy playmate? lol
According to Wikipedia he still is with her.
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 04:16:49 AM
I just don?t get why Johnny A isn?t taking offensive reps, I just don?t get it. We need to involve him and keep developing him as if Brady goes down, there goes our ratio.
I would give Augustine reps at returner. McRae letting that missed field goal bounce cost us 15 yards on our return in a tightly fought game. You just can?t do that
I agree, that ball should never have bounced.
IIRC Oliveria had 73 yards rushing in the 1st half. He finished the game with only 80 yards rushing. Somebody want to explain what Pierce was thinking?
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 03:54:03 AM
Jake Maier is the Marc Leigghio of QB's
He will be replaced.
global moderator?are you a self proclaimed moderator? Or are you a global moderator?
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2023, 04:18:24 AM
On the one hand, you should never complain when you get a win on the road with your #2 QB.
On the other hand:
Kick coverage terrible, I think we are worst in league. Leake will eat us up.
McRae a disaster as a returner, bobbles, fumbles or runs 3 yards into a pile of players. Parker should be our returner til Grant is back.
Drew is not ready for prime time. He has the best set of receivers and running back in the league, and a top 3 O-line, but offense was anemic. Brady saved the day. There is no longer a QB controversy in Winnipeg if there ever was one.
One of MOS's worst games: why take a time count penalty at the end when you have your time outs? Why not challenge the penalty on Holm?The gamble on at the end on third and 1+ also a head scratcher to me. Get Calgary deep and trust defense is playing lights out, trust them to win the game.
Calgary should have been called for no yards on the punt at the end that bounced forwards and was caught by McRae on the hop.
But no complaints... we won. :D
I like the call to go for it at the end. You have had a punt blocked already and I think one close to being blocked, you have given up a bunch of yards on returns and they have a great FG kicker. Get one yard and win the game. Quite the push on the run by BO to make it close enough, he was stuffed and then got assistance from the big boys.
I agree on the other points - not sure if you can challenge unecassry roughness penalties ??
We won....thank the football gods for Castillo.
We need to improve special teams coverage
Our offense pretty well terrible save for Brady....
Hopefully Zach just needs a few more days.
Not all Browns fault though...
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:23:21 AM
IIRC Oliveria had 73 yards rushing in the 1st half. He finished the game with only 80 yards rushing. Somebody want to explain what Pierce was thinking?
Agree. We also hardly ever run in the red zone.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 04:25:06 AM
I like the call to go for it at the end. You have had a punt blocked already and I think one close to being blocked, you have given up a bunch of yards on returns and they have a great FG kicker. Get one yard and win the game. Quite the push on the run by BO to make it close enough, he was stuffed and then got assistance from the big boys.
I agree on the other points - not sure if you can challenge unecassry roughness penalties ??
I agree if it was one yard you go for it. But I think this was closer to 2, although I'll have to go back and rewatch. Fact that Drew was lining up in shotgun, and looked when the ball was snapped like he was looking pass suggests this was not an "automatic" one yard Prukop plunge, in which case I think you have to punt. Although I also agree that our pathetic punt coverage makes me think twice about this decision.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 03:47:50 AM
Dru and Kenny massive busts for me in fantasy.
Can someone explain to me why TSN showed 10s left on the clock when we took the 3rd down knee?? I thought they had horribly miscalculated.
I like Jermain Franklin's tie! I couldn't pull that off, but looks nice on him
Scared me too - just rewatched it - TV clock froze with 10 seconds left but the playclock kept ticking
Have to give a separate shout out to Brady. He dropped one catchable pass, but he ran hard and with heart, and was our best player on offense. He's having a hell of a season.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:23:21 AM
IIRC Oliveria had 73 yards rushing in the 1st half. He finished the game with only 80 yards rushing. Somebody want to explain what Pierce was thinking?
He had some negative yards in the second half.
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2023, 04:33:31 AM
Have to give a separate shout out to Brady. He dropped one catchable pass, but he ran hard and with heart, and was our best player on offense. He's having a hell of a season.
Yes, he was an absolute beast out there tonight. Such heart and effort!!
Quote from: Pigskin on August 19, 2023, 04:21:56 AM
I agree, that ball should never have bounced (on the punt return).
If I recall correct, McRae was lining up at the back of the end zone, perhaps to give himself enough time to return it in case the kick was wide (and to prevent it from rolling out the back of the end zone)? Maybe the reason it bounced is because he was moving up from the back of the end zone on a short FG kick, and didn't make it there in time to catch it in air.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 19, 2023, 04:36:07 AM
He had some negative yards in the second half.
We were also then using Brady as a decoy and getting the defense to shift on a fake pitch or handoff to him and countering with Demski or McRae, and they had some decent gains. And Calgary was keying hard on Brady so co7ntrring with Demski or McRae on the run play was a great call.
Post-game discussion. Jim Barker - "Rene Paredes...may be the best kicker in history. But - you can't ask him to kick that field goal to win the game."
How can I take anything he says seriously going forward? For both parts of that comment.
Quote from: Big Daddy on August 19, 2023, 04:47:18 AM
Post-game discussion. Jim Barker - "Rene Paredes...may be the best kicker in history. But - you can't ask him to kick that field goal to win the game."
How can I take anything he says seriously going forward? For both parts of that comment.
I know, that was ridiculous. Forget dave ridgeway, lui passaglia or dave cutler, Rene s the best in history. Laughable. Absolutely laughable. And you can?t ask him to kick a field goal to win the game?? Excuse me jimbo, but that?s the exact reason you have a kicker, he needs to make those kicks. Ridiculous comments by a buffoon.are they that hard up for people on the panel???
Why didn't the bombers have two guys back on the last field goal, one deep and one closer to the line to run it back?
Is this the same ST coach we had last year when MOS had to step in to clean things up?
Quote from: Blue72 on August 19, 2023, 05:12:37 AM
Is this the same ST coach we had last year when MOS had to step in to clean things up?
Ya, it's all Boudreau who (IMHO) shoulders around 30% of the responsibility for losing the '22 GC on the Sayles blocking whiff. (Put the hoggies in on a must-get FG, not Sayles!)
He's been the ST coach for a lot of our ST woes. He seems really good on the return game when Grant is in (good blocking schemes), but seems to not be awake on LoS blocking for our punts. Our guys are disengaging the line way too soon to go downfield when they need to be assignment-sound to block the kick rushers! Clearly CGY has spotted a weakness in film and now every team will exploit! This is what we used to do to others, not them do to us!!
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2023, 04:33:31 AM
Have to give a separate shout out to Brady. He dropped one catchable pass, but he ran hard and with heart, and was our best player on offense. He's having a hell of a season.
Brady had a great game, even without the stats. CGY was playing to stop the run and they still failed... except on 2nd & 3, which they stuffed ~4 times (do some passes!). Brady on first was amazing. Our other run plays on 1st were also amazing. Brady deserves tons of cred, and his hard last couple of runs sealed the very-much-in-doubt game.
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2023, 04:29:54 AM
I agree if it was one yard you go for it. But I think this was closer to 2, although I'll have to go back and rewatch. Fact that Drew was lining up in shotgun, and looked when the ball was snapped like he was looking pass suggests this was not an "automatic" one yard Prukop plunge, in which case I think you have to punt. Although I also agree that our pathetic punt coverage makes me think twice about this decision.
Ah, you mean the 2nd-to-last 3rd down gamble where we took a timecount? I think I/we thought you were talking about the final Prukop sneak right at the end. I thought the timecount play looked like a handoff to Brady, but maybe you're right and it was a RPO pass. But that would be even more insane?? When have we ever done that?? Never. I'll go check too.
Quote from: dd on August 19, 2023, 04:52:55 AM
I know, that was ridiculous. Forget dave ridgeway, lui passaglia or dave cutler, Rene s the best in history. Laughable. Absolutely laughable. And you can?t ask him to kick a field goal to win the game?? Excuse me jimbo, but that?s the exact reason you have a kicker, he needs to make those kicks. Ridiculous comments by a buffoon.are they that hard up for people on the panel???
Barker is an idiot. I hate watching the TSN crew now because of him. All I remember about him was how he screamed to the referees for a Penalty on every other play when he was coaching.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 04:25:06 AM
I like the call to go for it at the end. You have had a punt blocked already and I think one close to being blocked, you have given up a bunch of yards on returns and they have a great FG kicker. Get one yard and win the game. Quite the push on the run by BO to make it close enough, he was stuffed and then got assistance from the big boys.
I agree on the other points - not sure if you can challenge unecassry roughness penalties ??
UR: looks like coach cannot challenge, but Command can with automatic review and it doesn't have to be within 3min. "Called penalties that are not coach challengeable penalties". That phantom UR was an egregiously bad call and every CFL fan saw it, and that's the type of thing Command needs to step in on and correct on the fly without challenge. It's not good for the league if that is left standing. It's obvious to even blind CFL fans. I bet the league apologizes for it. This can't be made the new standard. Holm had every right to try to catch that ball. He was tracking it better than the receiver.
And yes, going for the Prukop sneak at the end on 3rd was critical. With our ST and their returner and their punt blocking and us kicking from the 15(ish) yard line, 50/50 chance they return it into instant FG range. And Maier was able to move the ball on mid plays quite often, and you just knew the refs were gonna DPI us on any little contact. Definitely go for it on 3rd and if we fail the sneak, then so be it, we deserve to lose.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 04:15:23 AM
The replacements aren't getting it done..exhume is not the answer.
Exume seems to be a gunner, from what I could discern. His job is to direct the returner into the lane. He seems to be doing a good job, as I think the returner only got outside the gunner lane once? What I saw on the sideline returns is the 2nd wave was playing too far off the rail and the returner was too fast to push him out in time. That's nasty. Must seal that rail.
With our weaker ST coverage unit I think we are purposely giving more space in 1st and 2nd wave and giving up yards in order to ensure we stop the TD. It looks ugly on TV, but it has worked: no ST TD against in many games. We might look better once our ST beasts come back.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 04:10:47 AM
Agree, big issue all year. Both those guys will help but might be schemes too?Good point
Bingo bango.
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 04:03:40 AM
Yes of course the players will not assault fans, that was joke. Great a grip. Respect the player. It's not hard.
Unless they play for TOR :D ;D :D ;D :D ;D :o
Quote from: Blue72 on August 19, 2023, 04:03:05 AM
Could the cry baby Dicky brothers be on the same unemployment line next year?
Dickerson The Greater whines and cries and yells. Dickerson The Lesser just stands on the sidelines like a deer in the headlights, truly and totally stunned and frozen. Riderfans forum comes up with the best nicknames for those two... which I'm not allowed to repeat here ;D ;D
I'll hand it to Dickerson The Lesser though, I've never seen him cry or whine. Or yell. I'm not sure there's much of anything going on upstairs nor in his adrenal gland. :D :D :D
My favorite Dickerson The Greater move is definitely the "I'm the boss!" headset mic dramatic whip up, whip down, whip up, whip down. Man, when he's finally gone I'll really miss his antics, just like I miss Kavis, the mac daddy of all time team chew outs. Love ya Kavis!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jogIFynycWI
(EDM could use Kavis right about now. And SSK. And CGY. And HAM.)
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:02:02 AM
Bombers need to seriously try to get Parker back on the roster to return kicks. McCrae was costing us field position every kick including that last missed FG. We did manage to run out the clock but catching the miss on the run gets a few more yards if we failed getting a 1st down.
McCrae did have 2(?) great 1st down runs(?) for good yards to mix things up. CGY didn't seem prepared for him at all on O. He's a great tendency breaker and sows confusion. Parker can't do that for us.
Not saying I disagree with you, but McCrae does add something we are having success with. And he still hasn't lost us the ball on returns. Ya, he finally fumbled today but it didn't count because of NY, and we recovered anyhow. Maybe he knew it would be NY the way he was running up on it and thus knew he just had to touch it? It might have actually been a brilliant play; maybe MOS will speak to it this week.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:02:02 AM
I haven't checked the stats yet. We seemed to abandon the run more in the 2nd half especially going into the wind. The run plays we ran were very predictable. With little success passing that made taking Oliveria out as a threat easier.
I saw a lot of non-Brady runs tonight and they seemed to have very nice success. Mostly all on 1st down. Most went for 7 to 10 yards, which is really ideal. Bailey sweeps finally worked. Demski doing his slippery butter thing. McCrae surprising the D. And hard Brady running. Buck knew he had to support his "newbie" QB and called a pretty good run game on 1st down, so Dru didn't have to throw much.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 04:02:02 AM
Defence didn't get enough pressure on Maier for most of the game. However the stopped the run and didn't give up a TD. At least 6 points given up were due to ST's. Blocked punt and return yardage.
We may have had the best game stuffing the Carey/Mills combo of any team this year (previously or in the future). Our run D was astoundingly good. Clearly Hall played to stop the run. We knew Maier couldn't run (well, he did once). And we gambled he couldn't pass. We didn't do so hot on the pass because our pass rush stunk major rocks. But we did stuff that run and that was enough!
Fantasy pickers choosing Carey got hella burned tonight! Kinda like my Kenny pick! :D :D :D
Quote from: pjrocksmb on August 19, 2023, 03:58:30 AM
Overly critical, too early to know. Classic pile on a guy when down. Bad year for him. He still could figure it out. Not a great chance but he might slowly develop. Deep balls were nice. Overall not a good showing. Int was bad.Agree all. A nice balanced analysis of a key member of our club.
Tecno I'll eat a half crow pie. I though Brown would be better but I'm still happy with his effort.
Ok, I'll take your crow mea culpa. It's fair.
And ya, Maier isn't horrific, he just needs to keep developing. He only threw one INT? That's not bad. If his receivers don't drop like 3 more passes the game looks completely different. They really let him down, and he needed them as much as Dru needed guys to step up.
I think his receivers have learned to correct for his noodle arm by planning to come back for the ball, so they show a deep go and then put on brakes and come back while our guy keeps running. I don't think we should have bothered covering the top of the deep routes, get under the receiver and stay there for the INT. His arm is good for 45 yards tops.
Quote from: The Zipp on August 19, 2023, 03:54:03 AM
Jake Maier is the Marc Leigghio of QB's
He will be replaced.
Haha, ouch. Seems like it at the moment, but I think both hang around in the CFL. Maier will keep a job (somewhere) simply because there are no other choices. I think CGY keeps developing him. Since when have they FA splashed for a QB? Not since before BLM.
Someone asked about illegal participation on Exume 4Q14:54 because he stepped OOB. I checked and it was ok because Exume takes a big hit from a blocker that pushes him out. By rule he can still play.
4Q2:02 is a timecount foul on CGY on critical 2nd&6. Uncalled. Hits zero. 6/10ths second later they snap. Clear enough to see live. Luckily for us it's a tip/incomplete. So it's the same missed FG regardless.
I mention this because it's ironic it's right after they call a timecount on us. Ours was more egregious though.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 08:27:00 AM
4Q2:02 is a timecount foul on CGY on critical 2nd&6. Uncalled. Hits zero. 6/10ths second later they snap. Clear enough to see live. Luckily for us it's a tip/incomplete. So it's the same missed FG regardless.
I mention this because it's ironic it's right after they call a timecount on us. Ours was more egregious though.
6/10th of one second? Ref looks at clock that says zero. He then looks to see if ball is snapped. If it is, no flag. Lol 6/10th of one second lol.
Re-watched the 2nd half this morning.
On the Stamps last drive: Kramdi separates the receiver from the ball on 2nd down. I'm not sure the receiver was going to catch the pass but Kramdi made sure. If that pass was completed the Stamps are much closer for a FG attempt, could run out the clock or even a FG miss results in a single point. So critical play by Kramdi.
McCrae lines up for FG attempt on dead ball line to avoid giving up a single. I'd take that as a coaching decision. I'm good with that but why not send a 2nd returner into the end zone closer to the goal line if the kick is wide and shorter?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 06:07:37 AM
McCrae did have 2(?) great 1st down runs(?) for good yards to mix things up. CGY didn't seem prepared for him at all on O. He's a great tendency breaker and sows confusion. Parker can't do that for us.
Not saying I disagree with you, but McCrae does add something we are having success with. And he still hasn't lost us the ball on returns. Ya, he finally fumbled today but it didn't count because of NY, and we recovered anyhow. Maybe he knew it would be NY the way he was running up on it and thus knew he just had to touch it? It might have actually been a brilliant play; maybe MOS will speak to it this week.
I saw a lot of non-Brady runs tonight and they seemed to have very nice success. Mostly all on 1st down. Most went for 7 to 10 yards, which is really ideal. Bailey sweeps finally worked. Demski doing his slippery butter thing. McCrae surprising the D. And hard Brady running. Buck knew he had to support his "newbie" QB and called a pretty good run game on 1st down, so Dru didn't have to throw much.
We may have had the best game stuffing the Carey/Mills combo of any team this year (previously or in the future). Our run D was astoundingly good. Clearly Hall played to stop the run. We knew Maier couldn't run (well, he did once). And we gambled he couldn't pass. We didn't do so hot on the pass because our pass rush stunk major rocks. But we did stuff that run and that was enough!
Fantasy pickers choosing Carey got hella burned tonight! Kinda like my Kenny pick! :D :D :D
I've said previously that I like what McCrae adds to our offence when we use him. That doesn't make him a wise choice as the returner. There are alternatives to keep him on the roster and still add Parker back as the returner.
He had 4 PR's for 26 yards and 1 KR for 17 yards.
Tommy Lee Lewis had 8 PR's for 146 yards and 1 KR for 60.
Quote from: Horseman on August 19, 2023, 02:49:43 AM
Zach isn't even dressed!
He actually was dressed. Although i thought he was 8 and he was wearing 14.
Quote from: Tehedra on August 19, 2023, 02:59:19 PM
He actually was dressed. Although i thought he was 8 and he was wearing 14.
No he wasn't. Castillo is # 14. Collaros was in civies on the sideline.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 02:58:11 PM
I've said previously that I like what McCrae adds to our offence when we use him. That doesn't make him a wise choice as the returner. There are alternatives to keep him on the roster and still add Parker back as the returner.
He had 4 PR's for 26 yards and 1 KR for 17 yards.
Tommy Lee Lewis had 8 PR's for 146 yards and 1 KR for 60.
Agree 100% - Do we really need to wait for him to cost us a game before we put someone else there?
Parker went in for a game and he did absolutely fine.
Quote from: Tehedra on August 19, 2023, 02:59:19 PM
He actually was dressed. Although i thought he was 8 and he was wearing 14.
Apparently, they brought his gear, but did not put it in his locker, in case he got some ideas...
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 03:03:24 PM
No he wasn't. Castillo is # 14. Collaros was in civies on the sideline.
They showed him a bunch of times chewing on a piece of bubble gum the size of a baseball. He was in street clothes
Because they won, O'Shea will not make any changes. It sad but book it.
Quote from: M.O.A.B. on August 19, 2023, 04:20:19 PM
Because they won, O'Shea will not make any changes. It sad but book it.
Think about what you just said for a second. We haven't lost in a month. Other than blowing a huge lead against Ottawa, our only other setback has been a week 3 loss against BC. We are getting spoiled.
Quote from: Blue In BC on August 19, 2023, 03:03:24 PM
No he wasn't. Castillo is # 14. Collaros was in civies on the sideline.
I was at the game and he was in uniform. He came and said hi to us in the stands and gave my son a high five. So maybe he changed in the second half to get into uniform?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 05:48:09 AM
UR: looks like coach cannot challenge, but Command can with automatic review and it doesn't have to be within 3min. "Called penalties that are not coach challengeable penalties". That phantom UR was an egregiously bad call and every CFL fan saw it, and that's the type of thing Command needs to step in on and correct on the fly without challenge. It's not good for the league if that is left standing. It's obvious to even blind CFL fans. I bet the league apologizes for it. This can't be made the new standard. Holm had every right to try to catch that ball. He was tracking it better than the receiver.
And yes, going for the Prukop sneak at the end on 3rd was critical. With our ST and their returner and their punt blocking and us kicking from the 15(ish) yard line, 50/50 chance they return it into instant FG range. And Maier was able to move the ball on mid plays quite often, and you just knew the refs were gonna DPI us on any little contact. Definitely go for it on 3rd and if we fail the sneak, then so be it, we deserve to lose.
I have to agree. The Bombers had no choice but to go for it on third down with the game on the line. I said to my partner right before the snap that this is the game here. Make the first down win the game, miss it and you lose. Punting from deep in your own end was not an option. Great to see the Bombers show that they wanted this game more. The fans I sit with in section 211[shout out to goldmember] have a saying when the game is on the line "who wants to win". The answer last night the Bombers!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2023, 04:23:30 PM
Think about what you just said for a second. We haven't lost in a month. Other than blowing a huge lead against Ottawa, our only other setback has been a week 3 loss against BC. We are getting spoiled.
I already thought about it. We haven't done any roster changes for the last 3 games. The roster changes we made prior to that was prompted by injuries.
Quote from: Tehedra on August 19, 2023, 04:41:31 PM
I was at the game and he was in uniform. He came and said hi to us in the stands and gave my son a high five. So maybe he changed in the second half to get into uniform?
I think you may have had too many wobbly pops, Zach was in street clothes the entire game chewing on a big wad of gum. I think you mistakenly thought Sergio was Zach. It's okay it happens sometime. Besides you can't dress 2 players wearing the same number.
Quote from: Tehedra on August 19, 2023, 04:41:31 PM
I was at the game and he was in uniform. He came and said hi to us in the stands and gave my son a high five. So maybe he changed in the second half to get into uniform?
Then he has a twin in civies standing on the sideline. Why would they dress him in the 2nd half with a different number than his own?
Is it possible we used Kyrie Wilson as our nationalized American yesterday? On the D's first play we had Jefferson, Thomas, Lawson, Walker and Jeffcoat lined up on the line with Biggie and Kramdi as LBs, with no #19 in site. Kind of an odd lineup for the first play. Wilson came in the next play. If so, what's the point since we always are playing a couple of nationals on D anyway. Confusing.
Here is the game recap by Ed Tait...
https://www.bluebombers.com/2023/08/19/game-recap-wpg-19-cgy-18/
Finally back online and can post. Had downtime with good ol Telus today. Was at the game yesterday and enjoyed the win - slim win and all. A couple of comments:
> Time to get a new stadium Calgary - forgot how run down McMahon really is
> Really small crowd - my Super Red Section was only 1/2 full if that.
> Hot dogs were still good - but over priced.
As for the game less said the better - not impressed with either team based on what I saw last night - Bombers did enough to win however if Calgary had any receivers that could catch the ball it would not be even close. Saw more dropped balls that caught balls or at least it seemed.
I guess all that counts is the win but had hoped for a more entertaining game that I got.
However Big T's BBQ was outstanding!
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 19, 2023, 01:21:24 PM
6/10th of one second? Ref looks at clock that says zero. He then looks to see if ball is snapped. If it is, no flag. Lol 6/10th of one second lol.
I've seen timecounts called in less than 6/10th before. Many times. Yes, they often let half a second timecounts slide. But they also call them sometimes. How do I know? I freeze frame every timecount penalty to see if it was "for realz" using my computer PVR which has many more features than the lame Shaw/MTS PVRs. Just like O/S calls, I'm very meticulous about checking every timecount call, because it's my thing.
I'm not sure precisely how the refs on the field judge this, or who has that responsibility, etc., but I am speaking the truth. Next time I see a sub half-second timecount I'll let you know.
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2023, 06:26:50 PM
Is it possible we used Kyrie Wilson as our nationalized American yesterday? On the D's first play we had Jefferson, Thomas, Lawson, Walker and Jeffcoat lined up on the line with Biggie and Kramdi as LBs, with no #19 in site. Kind of an odd lineup for the first play. Wilson came in the next play. If so, what's the point since we always are playing a couple of nationals on D anyway. Confusing.
Not sure I'm following your train of thought. No reason why Lawson (NAT) can't come in for Wilson at any time. No DNA rules needed.
Unless it's the fact that this is the
first play that's suspicious to you, because of the "first snap" DNA rules. But I wouldn't read too much into that. I'm pretty sure Wilson played more than 23 snaps in place of an extra NAT. He was on the field almost all the time. Besides, a) the depth chart (yes that apparently means nothing yada yada) showed no DNA at all, and b) MOS has basically said they are ignoring the DNA rules/features. To make Wilson the DNA wouldn't be a small tweak to take advantage of the rules, it would be a massive disruption to the scheme. Using Wilson like that would only make sense if we started a very good NAT WILL, and/or another very good IMP WILL.
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 10:15:32 PM
Not sure I'm following your train of thought. No reason why Lawson (NAT) can't come in for Wilson at any time. No DNA rules needed.
Unless it's the fact that this is the first play that's suspicious to you, because of the "first snap" DNA rules. But I wouldn't read too much into that. I'm pretty sure Wilson played more than 23 snaps in place of an extra NAT. He was on the field almost all the time. Besides, a) the depth chart (yes that apparently means nothing yada yada) showed no DNA at all, and b) MOS has basically said they are ignoring the DNA rules/features. To make Wilson the DNA wouldn't be a small tweak to take advantage of the rules, it would be a massive disruption to the scheme. Using Wilson like that would only make sense if we started a very good NAT WILL, and/or another very good IMP WILL.
All reasonable points. I guess they just started the game with 5 D linemen and Wilson on the bench which I find a bit odd.
having rewatched the game, what stood out to me was the game plan to create 2nd and short situations to take some pressure off of Dru, unfortunately we didnt take advantage of this enough. Breakdowns in execution, penalties and stamps focusing on the run stoppage led to this.
I would have liked to see them go deep on a 2nd and 2 or 3 to at least keep the defence honest. Also i think Drus and Zacs or our o
ffence as a whole's tendancy to roll out right has been scouted and teams are better prepared for it.
Quote from: bunker on August 19, 2023, 10:47:31 PM
All reasonable points. I guess they just started the game with 5 D linemen and Wilson on the bench which I find a bit odd.
Best I can think of is we were doing that on purpose to send a message to CGY "we aren't playing to your film study plans". Same reason a team will sometimes launch a 60y pass try on the first play. Start the game by putting the opponent on their back heels.
We often play wacky schemes like that one, but you're right: it's rarely on the first play.
Quote from: Pete on August 19, 2023, 11:03:26 PM
having rewatched the game, what stood out to me was the game plan to create 2nd and short situations to take some pressure off of Dru, unfortunately we didnt take advantage of this enough. Breakdowns in execution, penalties and stamps focusing on the run stoppage led to this.
I would have liked to see them go deep on a 2nd and 2 or 3 to at least keep the defence honest. Also i think Drus and Zacs or our offence as a whole's tendancy to roll out right has been scouted and teams are better prepared for it.
Ya, I'm pretty sure we didn't throw on 2nd & short, not even once. It was always Brady. And many of them were stuffed. So much so that MOS noted it in the post-game. You wouldn't even have to go deep on 2nd&3. Just throw an instant curl or whatever. I'd say you have to go at least 25% pass on 2nd to keep them honest. We would have with Zach...
Quote from: BBRT on August 19, 2023, 09:47:41 PM
> Time to get a new stadium Calgary - forgot how run down McMahon really is
2nd oldest next to McGill isn't it? 1960 I believe. Pretty surprising since Calgary loves shiny and new, showing the world they are big league. It is time and that would make CFL vibrant there again as well as being a feather in the city's cap.
Ya I don?t know what happened to our playbook on 2nd and short but in the second half the stamps front 7 were all about stopping Brady yet we didn?t do any quick hitters to get first downs
Hats off to Brady as it was a very physical game and he took and gave out a ton of physical contact. He must be whiped today
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 19, 2023, 10:10:01 PM
I've seen timecounts called in less than 6/10th before. Many times. Yes, they often let half a second timecounts slide. But they also call them sometimes. How do I know? I freeze frame every timecount penalty to see if it was "for realz" using my computer PVR which has many more features than the lame Shaw/MTS PVRs. Just like O/S calls, I'm very meticulous about checking every timecount call, because it's my thing.
I'm not sure precisely how the refs on the field judge this, or who has that responsibility, etc., but I am speaking the truth. Next time I see a sub half-second timecount I'll let you know.
I didn't know you watched the game with a stopwatch. No one "lets it slide". There is a process for how a referee calls a time count penalty which I explained above. I suggest to you that there may be a limit to what you are able to learn watching your PVR 400 times until 3 am.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 20, 2023, 04:49:09 AM
I didn't know you watched the game with a stopwatch. No one "lets it slide". There is a process for how a referee calls a time count penalty which I explained above. I suggest to you that there may be a limit to what you are able to learn watching your PVR 400 times until 3 am.
You jibe, but I actually do have a track-quality stopwatch right next to my computer and I use it all the time (mostly for QB time-in-pocket). In any event, I don't use/need it for a timecount, I just need to look at the frame count and time index on my computer PVR. I look when it says 00 and then frame advance until the ball is snapped. Simple, and no question on what the interval was.
And refs 100% do let some plays "slide". Probably to compensate being human and having to make decisions in real time. And every ref does it a bit differently. Some "slide it" more than others. Maybe some are better at their job than others. That's why I said I've seen timecounts whistled dead with under 1/2sec delay. I guarantee I'll find you one this season if you want me to. And I've also seen refs slide timecounts that were 1.5+ seconds this season!
These timecounts are a great example of when refs let it slide, and the next best example is offsides on the waggle. They'll often let a waggler be 1-2 feet offside on a full run. In fact, they tend to err on the side of letting those go, or clearly the fan experience would suck. Those are the ones that many live watchers will swear are offside, and often they are not, but sometimes they are. This is a function of the refs being unable to match the snap with a waggler down to the tenth of second. So they account for their limitations and let it slide. But sometimes they call it offside anyhow, even when on replay the waggler is actually onside. The inconsistency is what is most annoying.
Lastly there is illegal procedure, which is technically is committed maybe a third of CFL snaps, where a OT or someone rises up from the snap a couple of tenths early. Our Yoshi (very) often gets up before the ball. And almost every ref will slide it, but once in a while they are sticklers, especially if it's just an extra tenth early.
I've become so sensitive to these things (especially IP and TC) that I can spot a potential infraction live and then freeze frame to confirm before the refs say boo.
I fully understand what you are saying, the refs are human with cognition-speed limitations, and I don't know the exact ref process having never been a ref (have you?), but you
can learn a ton of practical knowledge about
how the CFL usually judges things by watching freeze-frames at 3am with your stopwatch. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it :D :D :D
Quote from: dd on August 20, 2023, 12:11:36 AM
Ya I don?t know what happened to our playbook on 2nd and short but in the second half the stamps front 7 were all about stopping Brady yet we didn?t do any quick hitters to get first downs
I think Buck didn't trust Dru to pass on 2nd down as those CGY guys were trying to INT us on all the short curls and crossers. How many close INTs did CGY whiff and drop? Maybe Dru doesn't have the quick timing down pat yet on those short routes, or being a "new guy" has trouble spotting the extra defender hiding somewhere.
We didn't throw deep hardly at all, so it allowed CGY defenders to cheat up to those short routes and sometimes double-team for the risky INT tries.
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 20, 2023, 04:49:09 AM
I didn't know you watched the game with a stopwatch. No one "lets it slide".
Just found you an example to (partially) prove my point. MTL@OTT 3Q2:47 they call a IP call on OTT #61 and he is ahead of the snap by only 2/10ths of a sec. Yes, he starts to move just a tiny fraction a sec before the ball goes back.
Almost every ref in almost every game lets 2/10ths IP slide (whether by being lenient or because a human can't deal with such small timeframes). This is the tightest IP I've seen called in a long while. Like I said previously, Yoshi moves this early all the time. I am actually shocked they made this call here. At this rate I'll find you a timecount example very soon.
Time counts violations should be called a penalty when the ref count in his head is ?10 and a?
Quote from: TecnoGenius on August 20, 2023, 05:33:06 AM
You jibe, but I actually do have a track-quality stopwatch right next to my computer and I use it all the time (mostly for QB time-in-pocket). In any event, I don't use/need it for a timecount, I just need to look at the frame count and time index on my computer PVR. I look when it says 00 and then frame advance until the ball is snapped. Simple, and no question on what the interval was.
And refs 100% do let some plays "slide". Probably to compensate being human and having to make decisions in real time. And every ref does it a bit differently. Some "slide it" more than others. Maybe some are better at their job than others. That's why I said I've seen timecounts whistled dead with under 1/2sec delay. I guarantee I'll find you one this season if you want me to. And I've also seen refs slide timecounts that were 1.5+ seconds this season!
These timecounts are a great example of when refs let it slide, and the next best example is offsides on the waggle. They'll often let a waggler be 1-2 feet offside on a full run. In fact, they tend to err on the side of letting those go, or clearly the fan experience would suck. Those are the ones that many live watchers will swear are offside, and often they are not, but sometimes they are. This is a function of the refs being unable to match the snap with a waggler down to the tenth of second. So they account for their limitations and let it slide. But sometimes they call it offside anyhow, even when on replay the waggler is actually onside. The inconsistency is what is most annoying.
Lastly there is illegal procedure, which is technically is committed maybe a third of CFL snaps, where a OT or someone rises up from the snap a couple of tenths early. Our Yoshi (very) often gets up before the ball. And almost every ref will slide it, but once in a while they are sticklers, especially if it's just an extra tenth early.
I've become so sensitive to these things (especially IP and TC) that I can spot a potential infraction live and then freeze frame to confirm before the refs say boo.
I fully understand what you are saying, the refs are human with cognition-speed limitations, and I don't know the exact ref process having never been a ref (have you?), but you can learn a ton of practical knowledge about how the CFL usually judges things by watching freeze-frames at 3am with your stopwatch. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it :D :D :D
...Why do you think in sports when things go to to seconds they show a video feed of the actual arena clock overlayed? Happens most in hockey when goals almost occur as the time expires? It's because the TV clock is unofficial and might be slightly off. Don't want to take my word for it?
https://www.cfl.ca/2009/07/06/the-official-game-clock-vs-tsn-s-clock/
Essentially, you're timing nonsense (if you are trying to split the unofficial clock to milliseconds with a stopwatch) and claiming "discoveries".
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 20, 2023, 12:53:43 PM
...Why do you think in sports when things go to to seconds they show a video feed of the actual arena clock overlayed? Happens most in hockey when goals almost occur as the time expires? It's because the TV clock is unofficial and might be slightly off. Don't want to take my word for it?
https://www.cfl.ca/2009/07/06/the-official-game-clock-vs-tsn-s-clock/
Essentially, you're timing nonsense (if you are trying to split the unofficial clock to milliseconds with a stopwatch) and claiming "discoveries".
Who doyou think the real CFL "Command Centre" is? It's actually Tecno and his PVR. :D
Quote from: Stretch on August 20, 2023, 01:06:34 PM
Who doyou think the real CFL "Command Centre" is? It's actually Tecno and his PVR. :D
NICE!!!!!
Quote from: Stretch on August 20, 2023, 01:06:34 PM
Who doyou think the real CFL "Command Centre" is? It's actually Tecno and his PVR. :D
LMAO
Quote from: Stretch on August 20, 2023, 01:06:34 PM
Who doyou think the real CFL "Command Centre" is? It's actually Tecno and his PVR. :D
He'd be an improvement....lol!
Quote from: Lincoln Locomotive on August 21, 2023, 02:27:13 AM
He'd be an improvement....lol!
his first ruling would be:
I can't review the play because I recorded golf instead of football - call on field stands
Quote from: Stats Junkie on August 21, 2023, 02:55:46 AM
his first ruling would be:
I can't review the play because I recorded golf instead of football - call on field stands
Brilliant! Best laugh all year.
But come on, we all know I'd overturn it anyway, because everyone knows the CFL refs always botch the call :D :D :D
(Funny thing is, I could solve that if I was made of money and bought 4 more Shaw boxes and 4 more computer cards and just recorded all TSN channels, and then doubled my space to 50TB and just taped everything on all 5 TSNs all day every day. But even I'm not that crazy... yet.)
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on August 20, 2023, 12:53:43 PM
...Why do you think in sports when things go to to seconds they show a video feed of the actual arena clock overlayed? Happens most in hockey when goals almost occur as the time expires? It's because the TV clock is unofficial and might be slightly off. Don't want to take my word for it?
https://www.cfl.ca/2009/07/06/the-official-game-clock-vs-tsn-s-clock/
Essentially, you're timing nonsense (if you are trying to split the unofficial clock to milliseconds with a stopwatch) and claiming "discoveries".
Hmm, that is a thought. But that article specifically only talks about the game clock. TCs would be exclusively a play clock thing. But I guess we
could infer it applies to the play clock, too.
BUT, look at the date of the article: 2009. Technology has sure advanced in that time period. I see no reason why the stadium, the league and TSN couldn't technologically link all of those things using a protocol and network. If they don't have this yet, I'd love to be the architect and implementer for it!
We have not seen a stadium-clock vs replay overlay in the CFL in, like forever. Maybe it's still a hockey thing, but when's the last time you saw that in the CFL?
If they are not technologically coordinated then that would mean some TSN dude is sitting there onsite pressing a little TSN "start playclock" button every time the stadium clock starts?? I find this extremely hard to believe. What a crap job that would be, and very prone to human error! Whilst we often see revisions to the game clock, we almost never see the play clock do anything other than start, go to 00, or reset. In other words, they really never get the TSN play clock egregiously wrong.
Yes, I was working under the assumption the TSN play clock was an accurate representation of reality. And if it's not, then timing the video frames of a TC flag is a pretty useless endeavour, except as a guard against them being off by several seconds.
Though I suppose if I wanted to prove one for sure, I have one recourse: I could time the 20s from the whistle and that 100% for sure should indicate a true TC penalty because the stadium play clock should very tight to the whistle and ref clock-start motion. That should get me within 1s for sure. Maybe one day I'll test how accurate the play clock is in this regard.
Maybe it's time for the league to update that FAQ page.
Quote from: DM83 on August 20, 2023, 08:24:33 AM
Time counts violations should be called a penalty when the ref count in his head is ?10 and a?
Gets me thinking... no technological reason why they couldn't tie the stadium play clock to the head (or all? or certain) ref's earpiece(s). Every time it hits 00s it could do a little beep in their ear(s). That way they would not have to watch the clock on the wall, but only the ball and the snap.
I can see how having to spot both in succession would lead to an accuracy of at best a 3-8 tenths. But make it a beep vs snap determination and they should be able to reliably be accurate to 1-3 tenths every single snap.
Again, I'd love to implement this for the league. It wouldn't be hard. Heck, I'd probably do it for free just to be rid of these maybe-called maybe-not TC penalties! :D :D :D
The refs count or clock is official.
Any ref who is watching a clock, would be moved to the under ten flag league.
All refs, do a count in their head. What they are looking for is procedure.
In reality, they should (synchronize their clock in the head with the scoreboard.
But how many times do you hear the ref announce., "timer, put "x" amount of seconds" on the clock
Synchronizing both is something that you would think could be done, though.