Zach's Back

[Blueforlife]

I'm going to offer a contrarian view and think Elgersma to the reserve is a bad idea. Collaros is a hit away from missing the season and even if he plays about as good as he did last year it's not nearly good enough to have success this fall.

Brown is probably not the QB of the future and while I think he's probably a bit better than Collaros at this stage when healthy and comfortable he's unlikely win many duals with the premier QBs out there right now.

Elgersma is the only quarterback on the roster with the athleticism, age, and raw potential to be elite at the QB position. Having him dress for games and potentially coming in for whenever Collaros gets hurt again has value and would only help his development.

Don't love it. Especially don't love that it represents the continued choice to keep putting out players who are well past being able to help us while making the younger plays watch and be continually flogged by O'Shea's rookie humblizer program which does more harm than good.

I agree with everything here but still think Zach >> Brown.  Exactly how I feel but I get the decision.  Well said and thanks for sharing, I wonder how many others agree, might be a cool deep dive poll lol.

Browns stock is down right now.  Might come up a bit.  Taylor is a penny stock in an emerging  field lol. 

[Sir Blue and Gold]

I agree with everything here but still think Zach >> Brown.  Exactly how I feel but I get the decision.  Well said and thanks for sharing, I wonder how many others agree, might be a cool deep dive poll lol.

Browns stock is down right now.  Might come up a bit.  Taylor is a penny stock in an emerging  field lol. 

Agree with you. The obvious retort is that Elgersma could be worse. His value is simply in the unknown. But the unknown (hitting the backup lottery ticket) is the only hope for this team in 2026 so I wish we'd try and cash it. If we don't turn up to see what we have no one is going to like where we end up, that much is reasonably clear.

[Blueforlife]

Agree with you. The obvious retort is that Elgersma could be worse. His value is simply in the unknown. But the unknown (hitting the backup lottery ticket) is the only hope for this team in 2026 so I wish we'd try and cash it. If we don't turn up to see what we have no one is going to like where we end up, that much is reasonably clear.

Easier to know what you got if he is on the AR.  A good debate.

[Tecno]

O'Shea's annual rookie humblizer program

Had to lol at that one. Too true. Though I won't say it's a bad thing, as it seems to have worked over the years.

As for elgs, say you're right. He's hot garbage right now. So we'll lose the next 6, but hope we can stay out of last place to get a crossover? Then he's suddenly gc material? Very unlikely. More likely we just lose everything and miss playoffs.

Now if you wanted to do that and say this is an elgs training year only, maybe you'd have a point. However, how would all the other good players feel about throwing away the season just for elgs? Retention would be a beeeotch come fa27.

And you still have the nagging problem that he might just plain suck forever.

And I don't know why people say he's athletic... He's lumbering, and actually looks less escapable than Zach, which is really saying something.

I think the dp wastage on dru proves without a doubt that elgs is considered a very long term project.

[Blueforlife]

Give him time

[dd]

I just don't get what some folks see in Elgersma. He has not shown a glimpse or glimmer or anything's no that would suggest he's anything behind centre but still folks seem to think he has potential????Potential to do what? Not fumble the ball, not throw a pick, throw another one hopper?? The guy is TJ Rubley level awful!!!

[Tecno]

I guess it's people who watched him play in college. I didn't. But I heard he really lit things up. And since he was in only 3 down programs, in theory he should be able to start sooner than the average IMP.

Clearly, that hasn't materialized yet.

[Jesse]

I just don't get what some folks see in Elgersma. He has not shown a glimpse or glimmer or anything's no that would suggest he's anything behind centre but still folks seem to think he has potential????Potential to do what? Not fumble the ball, not throw a pick, throw another one hopper?? The guy is TJ Rubley level awful!!!

He hasn't had the opportunity to show us anything one way or the other. He's a young guy with a big arm with a good pedigree. We hope he does well in the same way we hope other QB products come in and do well. There typically are not year 1 expectations put on QBs unless something has gone horribly wrong.

But saying he's awful without seeing him play is the same as saying he has potential to be great - you just don't know.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

He hasn't had the opportunity to show us anything one way or the other. He's a young guy with a big arm with a good pedigree. We hope he does well in the same way we hope other QB products come in and do well. There typically are not year 1 expectations put on QBs unless something has gone horribly wrong.

But saying he's awful without seeing him play is the same as saying he has potential to be great - you just don't know.

All true, but we can clearly see he does not have the athleticism of Rourke,  Alexander or even Kelly, so how will he compete against them?  He looks to be an old school pocket passer with a good arm but poor mobility the likes of Drew Willy, is it even possible to protect him against modern defences?

Modelling him after Trevor Harris or Ricky Ray would take an exceptionally quick mind and years of experience that not many QB's would ever be able to attain. So what's Elgersma's path?

[Sir Blue and Gold]

All true, but we can clearly see he does not have the athleticism of Rourke,  Alexander or even Kelly, so how will he compete against them?  He looks to be an old school pocket passer with a good arm but poor mobility the likes of Drew Willy, is it even possible to protect him against modern defences?

Modelling him after Trevor Harris or Ricky Ray would take an exceptionally quick mind and years of experience that not many QB's would ever be able to attain. So what's Elgersma's path?

He's plenty mobile. Or at least significantly more so than Brown or Collaros. He's 2 out of 4 if you're ranking mobility of our QB room. You actually want your young QBs to play from the pocket and not tuck and run before reading it out so I actually think the fact you're regarding him as a pocket passer is a good thing at this stage. Develop there first and then use your legs second.

[blue_gold_84]

Elgersma's thrown all of 19 passes for 12 completions, 96 yards, and one TD. In relief duty.

Writing him off at this point in time is pretty unreasonable, especially within the scope of this team's struggles so far this season on offense.

[Blueforlife]

I just don't get what some folks see in Elgersma. He has not shown a glimpse or glimmer or anything's no that would suggest he's anything behind centre but still folks seem to think he has potential????Potential to do what? Not fumble the ball, not throw a pick, throw another one hopper?? The guy is TJ Rubley level awful!!!

way too harsh, patience pays off, it did with Hall, MOS, management etc.  Lots called for their heads early.  Comparing him to TJ is disrespectful, fair or accurate imo

He hasn't had the opportunity to show us anything one way or the other. He's a young guy with a big arm with a good pedigree. We hope he does well in the same way we hope other QB products come in and do well. There typically are not year 1 expectations put on QBs unless something has gone horribly wrong.

But saying he's awful without seeing him play is the same as saying he has potential to be great - you just don't know.

facts, agree all, well said, let him cook and see how his meals are before you says they are bad LOL

Taylor has the tools and resume.  Crap shoot if he can be a #1.  Willing to wait 2-3 years to find out.  Just how it goes.  Rare they come on strong from game 1.  Like a good brisket, slow smoke it.  Might burn a few at 1st but you will serve chef quality after making mistakes LOL.

Elgersma's thrown all of 19 passes for 12 completions, 96 yards, and one TD. In relief duty.

Writing him off at this point in time is pretty unreasonable, especially within the scope of this team's struggles so far this season on offense.

facts are presented above, AC took a few years to learn his craft and became on of best ever

[Jesse]

All true, but we can clearly see he does not have the athleticism of Rourke,  Alexander or even Kelly, so how will he compete against them?  He looks to be an old school pocket passer with a good arm but poor mobility the likes of Drew Willy, is it even possible to protect him against modern defences?

Modelling him after Trevor Harris or Ricky Ray would take an exceptionally quick mind and years of experience that not many QB's would ever be able to attain. So what's Elgersma's path?

What?

[Tecno]

What?

TLB is right. He's one of those limbo qbs, with no real pigeonhole. He could end up looking more like Cody or powell or arbuckle. I guess that would be best case. But he'll never be fast twitch mobile like Alexander and Rourke... And those guys are the ones getting everyone excited.

The good thing is, even a Cody can win a cup it seems!

But there may not be the option of taking forever to dev a pocket passer in today's CFL.

[Jesse]

TLB is right. He's one of those limbo qbs, with no real pigeonhole. He could end up looking more like Cody or powell or arbuckle. I guess that would be best case. But he'll never be fast twitch mobile like Alexander and Rourke... And those guys are the ones getting everyone excited.

The good thing is, even a Cody can win a cup it seems!

But there may not be the option of taking forever to dev a pocket passer in today's CFL.

You're doing the same thing as dd, you're ascribing things to him without seeing him play.