Nield

[markf]

Maybe overpaid him, but there's a Much Bigger problem than receivers ..... 

an online that can't protect the qb very well, or open holes for the running back?

Our offence was good when we had prime stan, and Prime Hardrick.

[dd]

Maybe overpaid him, but there's a Much Bigger problem than receivers ..... 

an online that can't protect the qb very well, or open holes for the running back?

Our offence was good when we had prime stan, and Prime Hardrick.

Our O line hasn't been the same since Hardrick left, and prime stan left the stadium at about the same time, coincidence?? Hardly.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Our O line hasn't been the same since Hardrick left, and prime stan left the stadium at about the same time, coincidence?? Hardly.

It kind of is a coincidence though -- Bryant's age caught up. We should have made a switch at LT in the off season. Or we could have done what was probably the most correct move, which would have been to extend Hardrick and release Bryant back then instead.

O'Shea loves to hang on to his veterans but I'm not sure Jake Thomas last year or Bryant or Nichols this year are going to reward him for it on the field.

[Blueforlife]

I'm not sure what all the hype was about. He's the quintessential Canadian depth receiver. He's training camp fodder level talent if he doesn't have the ratio backing him. That's just the reality. He quite literally wouldn't be playing if Singer was born in Ontario. Yay for the game!

Yay for making the same irrelevant point every time we discuss a depth Canadian.

This is the CFL.  The first word is Canadian and that's what makes it special and great.  Take off the C and it will never work.

Yes Yay for the Canadian game.

Yay for Canadian role models
Yay for Canadian pros in the community
Yay for guaranteed pro ball jobs for the working class (Cdn lol)
Yay to the Canadian superstars
Yay to the Canadians that make the NFL

Tommy is exactly what he's always been, a big slow average #4 or 5 NAT receiver. He should be on a $100-125k contract but we decided he was worth $175, that's not his fault it's ours. But he is exactly what he's always been

Facts are presented above

The only problem is he under preforming and we over paid.

I am not happy with him by any means but it is what it is.

Singer has literally done zero. He's just a guy unless proven otherwise.

Agree, great point

Some people counting American chickens before they hatch lol

Foxes might get them if let em out too early lol

[dd]

It kind of is a coincidence though -- Bryant's age caught up. We should have made a switch at LT in the off season. Or we could have done what was probably the most correct move, which would have been to extend Hardrick and release Bryant back then instead.

O'Shea loves to hang on to his veterans but I'm not sure Jake Thomas last year or Bryant or Nichols this year are going to reward him for it on the field.

For sure we should have extended Hardrick, we've never been the same since he left

[TBURGESS]

It kind of is a coincidence though -- Bryant's age caught up. We should have made a switch at LT in the off season. Or we could have done what was probably the most correct move, which would have been to extend Hardrick and release Bryant back then instead.

O'Shea loves to hang on to his veterans but I'm not sure Jake Thomas last year or Bryant or Nichols this year are going to reward him for it on the field.

It's no coincidence that we let lineman go and that Bryants age caught up to him.

[Tecno]

This is the CFL.  The first word is Canadian and that's what makes it special and great.  Take off the C and it will never work.

I agree.  The ratio is what make the GM's job interesting, and challenging.  Anyone can "pull a Baltimore" and slap together 45 good IMPs.  It's navigating the draft and development and NAT FA that make building a winning CFL team so difficult.  And it also "slows down" the speed at which teams can get good... or bad -- also a good thing if you believe in the idea of slowly building your way to a GC team, vs TOR going from zero to GC hero in 1 season (bleh).

The problem is, when your NATs are trending down, and you make poor NAT DP/FA choices, while your opponents are maxing the NATs, then you feel like cursing the ratio.  That kind of us right now.  We're in ratio heck on the O and it's costing us games.

But when your NATs are world-beaters, like we've had in the past, then the ratio is rainbows and unicorns and everyone loves it!  The biggest problem is, there's rarely a quick fix for this -- we're talking many seasons...

[Tecno]

Agree. If your unhappy with Tommy's contract talk to Mr. Walter's.

Clercius. is in his 3 year with the Bombers. 37 games, 767 yards, 1 TD.

And Clercius is probably ELC + tiny bump, not $175k.  I bet if we gave Clercius as much field time and targets as Nield got, he could produce at least 50% of what Nield does.  That would Clercius on par with Nield in terms of production per $.

Yes, ultimately this is a KW mistake.  Nield & his agent were probably giggling like 10 year old girls at a sleeepover when KW made that offer.  SSK didn't want him at anywhere near that price, if at all.  Just like with the Dru trade, we seem to try as hard as we can to overpay when we don't have to.

[Tecno]

But he is exactly what he's always been

Surely there was some sort of plan/reason when we grossly overpaid for him?  Mafia must have had justifications in their brains.  Again, Mafia is not stupid.  Maybe we envisioned this run & screen game where Daniels & Nield & Eli & Clercius were unstoppable in blocking for Brady or Demski?  So what's wrong with the scheme or players that is not realizing this dream?

See the 2 jet sweeps in the last game that got absolutely blown up behind LoS?  Sad & pathetic if the whole goal was to get those to work.  And still, many other teams run 5 of those a game at 8-13Y gain each time.

Why can't we have nice things?

[Tecno]

I'm not sure what all the hype was about. He's the quintessential Canadian depth receiver. He's training camp fodder level talent

Most teams now have a Demski, KSB, McInnis legit-star-NAT-REC guy.  Nield doesn't have to be that, but he for sure needs to be our between-Busby-and-KSB type -- like Woli.  And the closer he can get to being KSB instead of Busby, the better for us.  But he's not, and therein lies the problem.

What bugs me the most is he always looks downtrodder out there.  He's like Eyeore: "Oh well, I missed again, I'm just no good at this, sorry guys, I'll go back to my house made of pooh-sticks now."  I'm not one to usually like the practice, but someone seriously needs to get Nield some smelling salts before each game.

[Jesse]

Surely there was some sort of plan/reason when we grossly overpaid for him?  Mafia must have had justifications in their brains.  Again, Mafia is not stupid.  Maybe we envisioned this run & screen game where Daniels & Nield & Eli & Clercius were unstoppable in blocking for Brady or Demski?  So what's wrong with the scheme or players that is not realizing this dream?

See the 2 jet sweeps in the last game that got absolutely blown up behind LoS?  Sad & pathetic if the whole goal was to get those to work.  And still, many other teams run 5 of those a game at 8-13Y gain each time.

Why can't we have nice things?

I think you're grossly overestimating what 175k is worth these days. Demski, White, Brady are all paid more. I don't have the numbers, but Wilson is probably paid more too. Neild is the 5th option on our offence by any definition.

I do expect him to clean up the drops, that's his job, but I do not expect our offence to hinge on him. He's essentially a depth/role player. We should only depend on him if Demski needs some time off.

[Blueforlife]

And Clercius is probably ELC + tiny bump, not $175k.  I bet if we gave Clercius as much field time and targets as Nield got, he could produce at least 50% of what Nield does.  That would Clercius on par with Nield in terms of production per $.

Yes, ultimately this is a KW mistake.  Nield & his agent were probably giggling like 10 year old girls at a sleeepover when KW made that offer.  SSK didn't want him at anywhere near that price, if at all.  Just like with the Dru trade, we seem to try as hard as we can to overpay when we don't have to.

We paid a reasonable price for Dru.  Generally we are careful not over spending on FAs.

I don't expect Nield to earn his $ but he might.

[Tecno]

I think you're grossly overestimating what 175k is worth these days. Demski, White, Brady are all paid more. I don't have the numbers, but Wilson is probably paid more too. Neild is the 5th option on our offence by any definition.

Even with inflation its still too high if you are relegating him to 5th. 5th should be ELC, or around there. 4th should also be around 110k. It's been that way here forever. With inflation, fine, make it 125k.

What is cobb making? Probably under 125k. That is what Nield should earn if he's not going to put up more useful numbers.

If I'm a dc right now, I'm doubling up Demski, white, and pokey, and just ignoring our other 2 Nats.

[Jesse]

Even with inflation its still too high if you are relegating him to 5th. 5th should be ELC, or around there. 4th should also be around 110k. It's been that way here forever. With inflation, fine, make it 125k.

What is cobb making? Probably under 125k. That is what Nield should earn if he's not going to put up more useful numbers.

If I'm a dc right now, I'm doubling up Demski, white, and pokey, and just ignoring our other 2 Nats.

No need to do that when we have all our receivers in the same area of the field anyway.

The reason I think we paid up for Nield, is the starting the 3 import OL and also to provide some security when/if Demski gets injured. Even though he is just the 5th option on offence.

[Tecno]

Really too bad we didn't get KSB. Pretty sure he was up for FA too. KSB at 225 is far more useful than Nield at 175!