Collaros

Started by Austin85, July 06, 2026, 04:16:00 AM

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Quote from: Pigskin on July 12, 2026, 07:03:21 PMI would think ZC8 leash is a little shorter now.
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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 12, 2026, 08:37:20 PMYou're probably right and I think O'Shea's loyalty is charming but QB is the one position where he needs to put that aside and play the best player today. There's no room for error at that spot and things could easily sour depending on what happens now.
Zach if healthy is > Brown but Brown's performance narrowed that gap, if he starts and roasts Ottawa he takes another step closer.  If he beats a good team again, then we talking.  One game means almost nothing to me.

I believe health will dictate who plays

I would rest Zach another week and then play him after that and see how it goes.  Nice to have two solid options.

Techno is right, we have two injury prone QBs.  If both can be healthy the rest of the way, we have the best one two punch I can remember for a very long time.  Glenn and Khari maybe only pair at or near that level.

I love both these guys.  We are so lucky to have em.  Or wait #3 and 4 are ok too lol.  10 to 20 years ago our #1s was < current #3,4 lol.  Magical time to be Bomber fan.  Don't forget how far we have come.

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Jesse

Quote from: Tecno on July 13, 2026, 03:34:30 AMBeef-wise.  Elgs is huge.  Rourke is huge.  Both are massive beef.  Hard to take down.  Can take massive hits and just shake it off.

Like in contrast to frail Zach & Dru.

Rourke, Zach, and Dru are all pretty much the same size.

Gerzy is huge.
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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Jesse on July 13, 2026, 12:54:40 PMRourke, Zach, and Dru are all pretty much the same size.

Gerzy is huge.

I'd say Dru is smaller. Zach is 6'1 220 where as Brown is 5'11 200. Wouldn't make that much difference for some positions but effective sub 6-feet quarterbacks are pretty rare.

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Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on July 13, 2026, 02:17:26 PMI'd say Dru is smaller. Zach is 6'1 220 where as Brown is 5'11 200. Wouldn't make that much difference for some positions but effective sub 6-feet quarterbacks are pretty rare.
Dru Brown is about the same size as Drew Brees, he had a pretty decent career, Russel Wilson comes to mind as well

Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: dd on July 13, 2026, 03:13:15 PMDru Brown is about the same size as Drew Brees, he had a pretty decent career, Russel Wilson comes to mind as well

Oh for sure. I don't think he's too small. I just think of him as a body type smaller than Collaros and definitely at the minimum size you'd be okay with for a QB usually.

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Quote from: dd on July 13, 2026, 03:13:15 PMDru Brown is about the same size as Drew Brees, he had a pretty decent career, Russel Wilson comes to mind as well

Doesn't look like Brown spends as much time in the weight room as Zach does, but I don't think muscle mass is that important for a QB as his technique. I guess a stronger core is a better deterrent against injury though and Zach has a pretty tough body.

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The most important factor linked to QB injury is sacks, rather than QB size. Given that both Zach and Dru both function behind the same line, the risk is the same in theory.

However I think Dru actually gets rid of the ball more quickly and has more pocket presence that Zach at this stage of their careers, so he may be less prone to getting sacked and injured.

I'm sure previous frequency of injury likely plays a role in predicting future risk of injury as well, but that has to be correlated with how bad the O-line was they were playing behind in the past.

The other factor is age. All things being equal, a 29 year old QB is less likely to get injured compared to a 37 year old.

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Going back to when Dru Brown was with the Blue Bombers 2021-2023; when making the same throws that Zach Collaros does, Brown tends to throw the ball on a lower trajectory. It is most noticeable on mid range passes where Zach throws a rainbow with more touch and Brown zips the ball in on a line. A rainbow allows both the receiver and defender to make adjustments. Throwing on a line allows Brown to thread a needle but can also result in incompletions by simply being slightly off line.
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Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 13, 2026, 06:24:15 PMGoing back to when Dru Brown was with the Blue Bombers 2021-2023; when making the same throws that Zach Collaros does, Brown tends to throw the ball on a lower trajectory. It is most noticeable on mid range passes where Zach throws a rainbow with more touch and Brown zips the ball in on a line. A rainbow allows both the receiver and defender to make adjustments. Throwing on a line allows Brown to thread a needle but can also result in incompletions by simply being slightly off line.

Good point, Brown's passes look more smooth and effortless, he throws a very nice ball.

Jesse

One thing I noticed was that Druski got the ball off faster and it hit the receivers in stride allowing them to pick up YAC.

I've said this before, but I don't think Zach's arm is any weaker than it was, but his reaction time is slowing. Open receivers become covered because he's missing the throwing window.
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Quote from: Jesse on July 13, 2026, 07:04:41 PMOne thing I noticed was that Druski got the ball off faster and it hit the receivers in stride allowing them to pick up YAC.

I've said this before, but I don't think Zach's arm is any weaker than it was, but his reaction time is slowing. Open receivers become covered because he's missing the throwing window.

Argos secondary was leaving many receivers essentially wide open with soft coverage. That may be a factor in Brown having quick reads and releases. Can he do that against teams that have better defences is the question.

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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: Stats Junkie on July 13, 2026, 06:24:15 PMGoing back to when Dru Brown was with the Blue Bombers 2021-2023; when making the same throws that Zach Collaros does, Brown tends to throw the ball on a lower trajectory. It is most noticeable on mid range passes where Zach throws a rainbow with more touch and Brown zips the ball in on a line. A rainbow allows both the receiver and defender to make adjustments. Throwing on a line allows Brown to thread a needle but can also result in incompletions by simply being slightly off line.

I'll watch for that. One thing you can say about Brown is he's a very accurate passer. There were two or three reads in that game that maybe weren't his best, one was a field side out to Demski who had bracket coverage, it ended up incomplete and probably shouldn't have been thrown but the ball was pretty much right where it was supposed to be, thereby making it feel a lot safer than it was. Just one example, but all game he had above average ball placement that's for sure.

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Quote from: Jesse on July 13, 2026, 07:04:41 PMOne thing I noticed was that Druski got the ball off faster and it hit the receivers in stride allowing them to pick up YAC.

I've said this before, but I don't think Zach's arm is any weaker than it was, but his reaction time is slowing. Open receivers become covered because he's missing the throwing window.

This could unleash Pokey, he's got incredible YAC ability but is often forced to circle back for the ball and fight his way through a herd of defenders.  Being so slender he takes a beating every game and there's a lot of mean DB's that specifically gang up on receivers to administer a beat down and intimidate, like the dirty Riders.

Pete

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The main issue I have with Collaros is his short game, his accuracy and ability to hit a small window is an issue.This is where bo levi mproved his ability to control a game