Bombers re-sign Willie Jefferson

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Our vets are the reason we have been so good for so long and made it to all those cups.  Yes they decline but some can evolve and still impact like Willie.  Time will tell how much impact he will have this year.  I believe he will earn his salary and help us win more game than he hurts us in.

You don't know his salary so how could you possibly say he'll earn it?

[Blueforlife]

You don't know his salary so how could you possibly say he'll earn it?

Now I have heard it all.  He will make about what we expect.  The exact number has no impact on my statement.

I believe he always has and will earn 100% of his paycheck this year. 

This is based on watching him his entire career and while considering age, stats and impact to the ball games, organization and community.  O and he brings a high level of entertainment value!!!

That all said my assumption is that he plays 3/4 of the season+

Come down to Wpg, Willie can still bring it baby

[Blue In BC]

You don't know his salary so how could you possibly say he'll earn it?

SMS is a complicated issue. It's not just whether a given player " earns " his contract. It's about whether it means we have to reduce offers to other players across the roster.

Retaining veterans is important but at some point that happens with every player. I think he has another year left in his game and we don't have that many long term Bomber players on defence. It's probable we won't see a few back that haven't yet been re-signed.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Now I have heard it all.  He will make about what we expect.  The exact number has no impact on my statement.

I believe he always has and will earn 100% of his paycheck this year. 

This is based on watching him his entire career and while considering age, stats and impact to the ball games, organization and community.  O and he brings a high level of entertainment value!!!

That all said my assumption is that he plays 3/4 of the season+

Come down to Wpg, Willie can still bring it baby

You said you are "sure" he will earn his salary. If he's earning $250,000 there's very different on field output that is required than if you make $110,000. I suggest that he'll deliver his off-field/leadership value no matter what we've paid him but his on field contributions are what will make or break the decision to bring him back again.

If you want to simply blow blue smoke around feel free (this is the place to do it), but don't frame it from a salary to productivity point of view unless you want to get called out for that. Especially when no one has any clue what the salary he will "for sure" earn is.

[Blue In BC]

You said you are "sure" he will earn his salary. If he's earning $250,000 there's very different on field output that is required than if you make $110,000. I suggest that he'll deliver his off-field/leadership value no matter what we've paid him but his on field contributions are what will make or break the decision to bring him back again.

If you want to simply blow blue smoke around feel free (this is the place to do it), but don't frame it from a salary to productivity point of view unless you want to get called out for that. Especially when no one has any clue what the salary he will "for sure" earn is.

Good call. Blue smoke is just another way to say " Blind Faith " that I mentioned earlier in the week. I hope he took a cut this season and possibly a reduced role.

The problem at the moment is we don't know whether we have new faces on the DL that will add to the overall productivity. I'm ok to bring him back but also have some reservations regardless of SMS.

[Blueforlife]

You said you are "sure" he will earn his salary. If he's earning $250,000 there's very different on field output that is required than if you make $110,000. I suggest that he'll deliver his off-field/leadership value no matter what we've paid him but his on field contributions are what will make or break the decision to bring him back again.

If you want to simply blow blue smoke around feel free (this is the place to do it), but don't frame it from a salary to productivity point of view unless you want to get called out for that. Especially when no one has any clue what the salary he will "for sure" earn is.

I believe he always has and will earn 100% of his paycheck this year.   Yes I confident or sure that he will earn his keep like he always has.
You're estimates of his pay a larger range than what's likely.  He will be paid what he is worth as a vet DL.  Somewhere around 200 is my guess but like I said the actual figure doesn't really factor in that much for me.

It's my opinion that he will earn his salary as it's likely a fairly reasonable figure in line with what other vets would get.

Good call. Blue smoke is just another way to say " Blind Faith " that I mentioned earlier in the week. I hope he took a cut this season and possibly a reduced role.

The problem at the moment is we don't know whether we have new faces on the DL that will add to the overall productivity. I'm ok to bring him back but also have some reservations regardless of SMS.

Has nothing to do with blind faith.

I hope we signed him for a fair value for both sides.  I hope he isn't taking a reduce role.

There are lots of opinions on Willie, his value, etc.  This place is awesome because it allows all to voice their views.  I believe we should allow space for that.  Mods have encouraged people not be be labeled or their positions generalized and I agree with that.

You both bring great insight to this forum.

Time will tell if he will earn his $.  I bet he will.  Revist at the end of the year. 

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Good call. Blue smoke is just another way to say " Blind Faith " that I mentioned earlier in the week. I hope he took a cut this season and possibly a reduced role.

The problem at the moment is we don't know whether we have new faces on the DL that will add to the overall productivity. I'm ok to bring him back but also have some reservations regardless of SMS.

Willie's taking a fair bit of guff these days, but he's done what has been asked of him without complaining even though it affects his stats, that's FIFO.  Still remember Shawn Lemon refusing to play for Chris Jones in Sask. because he asked him to do more than just pure pass rush.  Anyway, below is what Willie was paid last season, 6th highest D-line, which probably didn't change much, as he is still in the top 3 most popular players in Wpg and may actually be #1 with younger fans.

6) Willie Jefferson, Winnipeg Blue Bombers (A)

Hard money: $200,000
Maximum value: $200,000

The six-time All-CFL selection got a $100,000 signing bonus to return for a sixth season in Bomberland and will also earn $77,300 in base salary, $14,700 in housing money, and an $8,000 travel allowance. The 34-year-old needs only three more sacks to reach the top 25 all-time in league history as his career total currently sits at 74.

[Blue In BC]

I believe he always has and will earn 100% of his paycheck this year.  Yes I confident or sure that he will earn his keep like he always has.
You're estimates of his pay a larger range than what's likely.  He will be paid what he is worth as a vet DL.  Somewhere around 200 is my guess but like I said the actual figure doesn't really factor in that much for me.
Please don't use terms like blue smoke, that has nothing to do with the discussion.  Please focus on talking ball.
It's my opinion that he will earn his salary as it's likely a fairly reasonable figure in line with what other vets would get.
Has nothing to do with blind faith, you calling be out on that wasn't correct then and has no merit here.  Please stop using terms like that.  Best we talk ball.

I hope we signed him for a fair value for both sides.  I hope he isn't taking a reduce role.

It has everything to do with what I said. Look up the definition of Blind Faith.

When you make un-supported comments with out facts, you'll get called out.  SB&G made a valid point that can be a discussion item with a reasonable point of view.

[Blue In BC]

Willie's taking a fair bit of guff these days, but he's done what has been asked of him without complaining even though it effects his stats, that's FIFO.  Still remember Shawn Lemon refusing to play for Chris Jones in Sask. because he asked him to do more than just pure pass rush.  Anyway, below is what Willie was paid last season, 6th highest D-line, which probably didn't change much, as he is still in the top 3 most popular players in Wpg and may actually be #1 with younger fans.

6) Willie Jefferson, Winnipeg Blue Bombers (A)

Hard money: $200,000
Maximum value: $200,000

The six-time All-CFL selection got a $100,000 signing bonus to return for a sixth season in Bomberland and will also earn $77,300 in base salary, $14,700 in housing money, and an $8,000 travel allowance. The 34-year-old needs only three more sacks to reach the top 25 all-time in league history as his career total currently sits at 74.

We know that but it's a lot for an older player. SMS went up so an equal amount would in effect be less from a % of total SMS.

I'd like to know the number but I'd like to see a DI that takes some of his reps. We need to have a succession plan as well as spell him at times.

Because he has little injury history, the up front money is not an issue and tends to lower the total SMS due to tax savings.