Blue Bombers announce coaching changes

[RebusRankin]

Are you forgetting Hogan was our RB coach for a long time before his OC year?  Brady has spoken highly of Hogan as RB coach in every presser these last 2 months.

Thus Hogan was already a good RB coach.  Nothing says he can't get even better as RB coach.  PLUS maybe he'll get better as an OC, with more careful grooming, and have another shot at it in 4 years (possibly with another team).  Or maybe he'll be a RB coach forever.  And that might be just fine.

I disagree with the premise that he'll become better and work his way up as a coach. Some guys never do. Reinbold was a very good ST coach, not so much anything else.

[Jesse]

I disagree with the premise that he'll become better and work his way up as a coach. Some guys never do. Reinbold was a very good ST coach, not so much anything else.

I don't think anyone (aside from one person) has suggested he will.

But he's perfectly fine as an RB coach.

[GOLDMEMBER]

I don't think anyone (aside from one person) has suggested he will.

But he's perfectly fine as an RB coach.

I tend to agree.

As bad as he was at OC he gain valuable experience. This can be a asset next season.

[theaardvark]

I wish Hogan had been let go but suspect he had a two year deal and this is a Coaches cap issue.

I don't think retaining Hogan has anything to do with this, but rather the fact that BO20 is a league leader with Hogan as coach.  He just got promoted beyond his level of competence last year.

[theaardvark]

Coaches cap.  Period.  Whatever we contracted Hogan for (maybe $125k? wild guess) we'd be on the hook for in the cap.  We already were up against the cap, so where on earth do we get the cap space to keep paying a fired Hogan AND hire/woo a legit OC and pay him $250k?

If you want teams to be able to ditch coaches mid-season then you have to get rid of the cap, or the dumb "you must keep paying them" rule.

We anted up, then went all in, and we had to ride that hand to the very end.

Sure, cap plays in.  But we had a replacement on the staff, under contract.  We could have promoted him, and done this same demotion, week 4.  By then, Jackson would be up to speed, having missed camp.

Would Hogan have taken a demotion and pay cut then, or just walked away with the balance of his deal?  Would have been a conversation that should have been made.

Who knows, maybe it did.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Sounds like mostly O'Shea's idea to lead Jake into coaching as with Mike Miller.

[Tecno]

Sure, cap plays in.  But we had a replacement on the staff, under contract.  We could have promoted him, and done this same demotion, week 4.  By then, Jackson would be up to speed, having missed camp.

Jarious was under contract to be a QB coach.  To have him suddenly take the OC job in week 4 we'd almost certainly have to renegotiate his contract and pay him a lot more.  Whilst still paying Hogan.  Still bad from a coach cap perspective.

There were no good options.  Hogan had to produce or we were screwed.

[Tecno]

I don't think anyone (aside from one person) has suggested he will.

But he's perfectly fine as an RB coach.

I disagree with the premise that he'll become better and work his way up as a coach. Some guys never do. Reinbold was a very good ST coach, not so much anything else.

I said he may learn more and try OC again in the future.  Like many years in the future.  Who's to know what will go on in his head and what will happen, but it's certainly possible!

My hunch is he'll be a RB coach (or similar) forever.  I watched all his pressers and he just doesn't seem to have the brain power of Lapo or even Buck.  I want my OC to be a super genius.

[Tecno]

if you remember Walters' interview, you know that MOS and Walters have talked about this is a reset season and changes needed to be made (whether MOS will say that out loud or not).

MOS did use the "reset" word once or twice in his Condell announcement presser.  I was actually a bit surprised at that word being used by Mafia at this juncture.  It means they are taking this FA a bit more seriously and we should expect more action than the pittance we usually get.

[blue_or_die]

- The Condell thing is exactly what we needed last year. Better late than never to get a bona fide, experienced OC for Zach

- Fine with retaining Hogan as RB coach. The chatter on him improving and eventually getting promoted or not is all inconsequential to me. Also, I think some are underestimating the jump from assistant to managing the entire phase of the team

- Fatboi becoming DL coach is chef's kiss. He's aged out of playing after one of the longest Bomber careers I can even remember. Creates continuity and succession planning for culture/FIFO. Begins the grooming of a 'true blue' potential future coach. Opens the door to finally properly address our DL interior. So many reasons to love this move.

[Blue In BC]

- The Condell thing is exactly what we needed last year. Better late than never to get a bona fide, experienced OC for Zach

- Fine with retaining Hogan as RB coach. The chatter on him improving and eventually getting promoted or not is all inconsequential to me. Also, I think some are underestimating the jump from assistant to managing the entire phase of the team

- Fatboi becoming DL coach is chef's kiss. He's aged out of playing after one of the longest Bomber careers I can even remember. Creates continuity and succession planning for culture/FIFO. Begins the grooming of a 'true blue' potential future coach. Opens the door to finally properly address our DL interior. So many reasons to love this move.

Thomas might do well as a DL coach. He knows all the players in the league and has watched 1,000's of hours of game film and watched defences change over the past decade.

[Tecno]

Thomas might do well as a DL coach. He knows all the players in the league and has watched 1,000's of hours of game film and watched defences change over the past decade.

It's the perfect complement to MOS's insistence on keeping ageing vets to bring the newer guys up to speed.  He has his favorites, usually the smartest guys in the unit, and the ones other players like, and he keeps them past their best before date.  He's spelled this out in pressers (well, sans the "best before" bit I added).

What's new is when it's finally no longer tenable to field the guy as a player, turn him into a unit coach.  That way you keep benefiting from the experience and leadership.  A la Mike Miller -- which has worked out great.

One could argue we should have done that with AH, but he may have been insisting on playing longer.

[RebusRankin]

Jake was not the most physically gifted player but managed to last 13 years in the CFL. Chances are he has some pretty good knowledge and insight that will make him a good coach.

[theaardvark]

Jake was not the most physically gifted player but managed to last 13 years in the CFL. Chances are he has some pretty good knowledge and insight that will make him a good coach.

Rudy syndrome.

Wade Miller

Sam Hurl

Jake Thomas

Players that got the opportunity through passport, and made a career through effort.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Jarious was under contract to be a QB coach.  To have him suddenly take the OC job in week 4 we'd almost certainly have to renegotiate his contract and pay him a lot more.  Whilst still paying Hogan.  Still bad from a coach cap perspective.

There were no good options.  Hogan had to produce or we were screwed.

Well they let Buck walk out the door with Kevin Bourgoin on a leash, if O'Shea had offered him the OC job he likely doesn't follow Buck to BC. Just guessing, but I would say he was better equipped for the step up than Hogan.