Bluebomber OC position discussion

[blue_gold_84]

Condell is the answer here and now at OC, IMO. I can't think of a more suitable candidate with sufficient experience and success to get the offense back on track, not to mention already having a rapport with Collaros.

[blue_gold_84]

You don't think it'd be ideal to have your QB coach available during training camp?

Sure, it's ideal. However, the WFC excused his absence, ostensibly to Hogan's detriment. That then begs question why was Jackson permitted to miss TC at all considering the fact this team was employing a rookie OC in-house with basically no pedigree.

Collaros specifically talked about working on installs during TC that they never used during the season. Feels like an experienced OC might have helped there.

The WFC should've hired an experienced OC in the first place. Considering the expectations and pressure on this team going into the 2025 season, at least a few miscalculations were made with regard to the offense. And the team paid dearly for it the bulk of the season.

In hindsight, I think it's fair to say Hogan's promotion was a mistake, Jackson's permitted absence during TC was a mistake, and seemingly not giving the latter more leash while letting the former flounder was also a mistake.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Where did you get "Zach's favorite person" from?  I don't recall Zach mentioning Condell in any of his pressers in his time here.  However, the fact they worked together in HAM is certainly intriguing.  Add in that you guys think Condell is going to be fired from OTT... suddenly you get some serious increase in probability he indeed will come here.

Still have no idea where you get the $ in the coaches cap to pay the guy, though.  He won't work for beer, back bacon and smokes like Hogan did.

I only heard him mention this once, but in Hamilton he credits Condell with taking the time to show him how a CFL defnce operates and how best to exploit it, apparently something he did not pick up in his first 2 seasons with the Argos despite having Scott Milanovich and Ricky Ray to learn from.

Goes back to my belief Zach mostly built his career on his athletic ability and winging it rather than being a master technician surveying the field, he looks, he sees and he heaves the ball in the general direction. Sounds schoolyard but this is the same approach Flutie took, throw the ball to the first open receiver you see, extend play with legs if needed.

[Jesse]

Sure, it's ideal. However, the WFC excused his absence, ostensibly to Hogan's detriment. That then begs question why was Jackson permitted to miss TC at all considering the fact this team was employing a rookie OC in-house with basically no pedigree.

The WFC should've hired an experienced OC in the first place. Considering the expectations and pressure on this team going into the 2025 season, at least a few miscalculations were made with regard to the offense. And the team paid dearly for it the bulk of the season.

In hindsight, I think it's fair to say Hogan's promotion was a mistake, Jackson's permitted absence during TC was a mistake, and seemingly not giving the latter more leash while letting the former flounder was also a mistake.

Just mistake after mistake after mistake.

Mostly didn't need the benefit of hindsight either. Most people called this all out as it was happening. Hoping we can fix a lot of these obvious mistakes however.

[blue_gold_84]

Just mistake after mistake after mistake.

Mostly didn't need the benefit of hindsight either. Most people called this all out as it was happening. Hoping we can fix a lot of these obvious mistakes however.

No question. Hindsight simply serves to reinforce what a horribly shortsighted decision it was, which is a poor reflection on the organization.

Now it's time to correct the issue and get the offense back on track.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Sure, it's ideal. However, the WFC excused his absence, ostensibly to Hogan's detriment. That then begs question why was Jackson permitted to miss TC at all considering the fact this team was employing a rookie OC in-house with basically no pedigree.

The WFC should've hired an experienced OC in the first place. Considering the expectations and pressure on this team going into the 2025 season, at least a few miscalculations were made with regard to the offense. And the team paid dearly for it the bulk of the season.

In hindsight, I think it's fair to say Hogan's promotion was a mistake, Jackson's permitted absence during TC was a mistake, and seemingly not giving the latter more leash while letting the former flounder was also a mistake.

Nobody really knows why Jackson missed TC and the pre-season but to be fair he could have been recovering from a serious medical issue. It was O'Shea's decision not to provide any explanation for his absence.

[blue_gold_84]

Nobody really knows why Jackson missed TC and the pre-season but to be fair he could have been recovering from a serious medical issue. It was O'Shea's decision not to provide any explanation for his absence.

The reason is irrelevant, IMO.

[blue_or_die]

Holy jeez!  It's a joke!

Although... if you don't want your kid to get confused with every other kid, avoid the most comment names, this is simple logic.

Maybe we can get an entire Prez/GM/coach/coords room of guys all with either the first name Mike or last name Miller!  With triple points for anyone with both names.  We're halfway there??

I know...I was joking too. My name irl is Mike and so I must defend our honour.

[markf]

And when '19 and '21 cups had Mike Jones covering Mike Jones?

The moral of the story: DON'T NAME YOUR KIDS MIKE!  Voila, problem solved.

We get to watch games with Justin Mcinnes, receiver, and Justin Mcinnes, head ref... might call p.i. On somebody covering his cognominal.  Get out the t.f. Hat.

I've noticed that this forum tends more to the serious side.... Joking and lighthearted stuff isn't really the in thing here.
It's all business all the time.

[dd]

Just mistake after mistake after mistake.

Mostly didn't need the benefit of hindsight either. Most people called this all out as it was happening. Hoping we can fix a lot of these obvious mistakes however.

I had great hopes when we hired Jackson as our Qb coach as I thought he'd at least be in the room and able to help out Hogan, who we all knew was going to struggle, its understandable. But I am more disappointed in Jackson's lack of effort --not being at training camp to get a feel for what talent we had/didn't have, and where was he throughout the whole season?? In my books, I'd can Jackson and demote Hogan back to RB coach and bring in an experienced OC, if its Condell, so be it, he absolutely can't be any worse than what we just went through.

[M.O.A.B.]

I had great hopes when we hired Jackson as our Qb coach as I thought he'd at least be in the room and able to help out Hogan, who we all knew was going to struggle, its understandable. But I am more disappointed in Jackson's lack of effort --not being at training camp to get a feel for what talent we had/didn't have, and where was he throughout the whole season?? In my books, I'd can Jackson and demote Hogan back to RB coach and bring in an experienced OC, if its Condell, so be it, he absolutely can't be any worse than what we just went through.

Can't demote Hogan back to RB coach as that position is currently held by Bolduc. Unless of course Bolduc is gone.
Otherwise, Hogan is gone or worse back again as OC.

[dd]

Can't demote Hogan back to RB coach as that position is currently held by Bolduc. Unless of course Bolduc is gone.
Otherwise, Hogan is gone or worse back again as OC.

I'd be more than happy if Jackson and Hogan were shown the door, but we know that isn't going to happen. If we keep the same OC we have nobody to blame but ourselves as we know what we're getting into before it even starts

[ModAdmin]

I'd be more than happy if Jackson and Hogan were shown the door, but we know that isn't going to happen. If we keep the same OC we have nobody to blame but ourselves as we know what we're getting into before it even starts

That's a bit harsh on Jackson.  He was no doubt under the direction of Hogan.  He did not have opportunity of a training camp due to personal matters he had to deal with.  I would say the cards were stacked against him.  If there is a scapegoat here it has to be Hogan.  Whether he is demoted or let go is the issue.  The management has obviously lost confidence in him as OC.

[Tecno]

Can't demote Hogan back to RB coach as that position is currently held by Bolduc.

There is precedence for WFC to just dump a coord -- Boudreaux.

But what's Hogan's contract length?  If he's already signed for '26 then we would have coach cap repercussions by outright firing him.  And we all know we wouldn't get relief by some other team picking him up as OC!!

[Tecno]

It's a good take on the condition that you take Hogan at his word...? I'm not sure his word is worth that much at this juncture, as it doesn't seem like he operated with a bottom-up approach.

But it stands to reason.  Assume he's as clueless an OC as everyone here seems to think.  Assume he couldn't draw up a play to save his life.  Wouldn't someone like that be thrilled to accept ideas & advice from everyone?  Especially when he explicitly says that's what he's doing?