Bluebomber OC position discussion

[Tecno]

Jackson was the QB coach, so this is a bad take.  Hogan was given the reins of the offense, and he failed as OC. That's not on Jackson.

No, it is a good take because Hogan has said a zillion times his approach is to be bottom-up and take whatever ideas/advice he can from those around/under him.

And everyone knows Jarious was brought in to be an "OC Lite" for us.  I 100% guarantee he had as much input into the O play design/calls as he desired.  The fact the pair of them were kind of, uh, weak, looks bad on both of them.

[Tecno]

If we've talked to both, the smart money might be on Condell. Part of the problem this year was going with inexperience. You combine the fact the Condell's done it before along with the fact that he is Zach's favourite person in the CFL, and there might be too strong a connection to ignore.

Where did you get "Zach's favorite person" from?  I don't recall Zach mentioning Condell in any of his pressers in his time here.  However, the fact they worked together in HAM is certainly intriguing.  Add in that you guys think Condell is going to be fired from OTT... suddenly you get some serious increase in probability he indeed will come here.

Still have no idea where you get the $ in the coaches cap to pay the guy, though.  He won't work for beer, back bacon and smokes like Hogan did.

[Tecno]

Yikes... With a pretty questionable take like this, it makes me wonder what you think about Buck Pierce.

Touche.  The difference is, though, that Buck was our (GC) loser.  I like our loser more than their loser.  Plus, Buck kind of got the shaft in all 3 GC losses... our O did almost enough to win in all, absent the Zach injury in '24.  Condell had no chance in the '19 cup.

[Jesse]

Jeez, Zach seems to love everyone, according to this thread!  Is he living on a 1969 commune or something?

Well, reportedly doesn't love Hogan.

[Jesse]

Where did you get "Zach's favorite person" from?  I don't recall Zach mentioning Condell in any of his pressers in his time here.  However, the fact they worked together in HAM is certainly intriguing.  Add in that you guys think Condell is going to be fired from OTT... suddenly you get some serious increase in probability he indeed will come here.

Still have no idea where you get the $ in the coaches cap to pay the guy, though.  He won't work for beer, back bacon and smokes like Hogan did.

He's actively talked about Condell many times. Whatever that offensive scheme was that they used in Hamilton, Zach's a fan.

[blue_gold_84]

No, it is a good take because Hogan has said a zillion times his approach is to be bottom-up and take whatever ideas/advice he can from those around/under him.

It's a good take on the condition that you take Hogan at his word...? I'm not sure his word is worth that much at this juncture, as it doesn't seem like he operated with a bottom-up approach.

Touche.  The difference is, though, that Buck was our (GC) loser.  I like our loser more than their loser.  Plus, Buck kind of got the shaft in all 3 GC losses... our O did almost enough to win in all, absent the Zach injury in '24.  Condell had no chance in the '19 cup.

This is bit of an Aardvarkian take. If you claim that Condell choked in 2019 and 2021*, the same logic would have to be applied to Pierce in both 2022 and 2023, and quite possibly in 2024.

And you make it sound like Condell didn't deal with QB injury issues in either 2019 or 2021. He did, though.

* even though the Bombers were the better team that season

[3rdand1.5]

Jackson was late coming in, and the offence was so bad this year even with him on staff "helping". I don't think Jackson did enough to warrant the OC position....my 2 cents anyway

[Waffler]

Jackson coming late last year hurt a lot, I don't think MOS was happy. He also didn't hire him the first time around. Condell or Miller could bring a QB with them? I can dream can't I?

[blue_gold_84]

Jackson was late coming in...

Jackson coming late last year hurt a lot...

Jackson wasn't late coming in, nor was he here last year. He joined the team in February of this year.

[Waffler]

Jackson wasn't here last year. He joined the team in February of this year.

I meant the 2025 season.

[blue_gold_84]

I meant the 2025 season.

Thanks for clarifying, but it doesn't change the fact he was hired around the same time as Hogan was promoted to OC - early February.

[Waffler]

Thanks for clarifying, but it doesn't change the fact he was hired around the same time as Hogan was promoted to OC - early February.

Winnipeg Blue Bombers practices had been akin to a game of Where's Waldo?, except the man being searched for all spring was Jarious Jackson.

On Monday, the club's quarterbacks coach was in plain sight, wearing a bright blue hoodie emblazoned with a large W and the matching shorts to go with it, as he joined the team for his first practice as a member of the Blue and Gold.

The 48-year-old was hired by the Bombers in February — announced the same day Jason Hogan was named offensive co-ordinator — but was excused from the team throughout training camp.

-Free Press

He missed all camp and preseason. It hurt.

[blue_gold_84]

Winnipeg Blue Bombers practices had been akin to a game of Where's Waldo?, except the man being searched for all spring was Jarious Jackson.

On Monday, the club's quarterbacks coach was in plain sight, wearing a bright blue hoodie emblazoned with a large W and the matching shorts to go with it, as he joined the team for his first practice as a member of the Blue and Gold.

The 48-year-old was hired by the Bombers in February — announced the same day Jason Hogan was named offensive co-ordinator — but was excused from the team throughout training camp.

-Free Press

He missed all camp and preseason. It hurt.

Who did it hurt? Hogan?

[Jesse]

Jackson coming late last year hurt a lot, I don't think MOS was happy. He also didn't hire him the first time around. Condell or Miller could bring a QB with them? I can dream can't I?

Jackson and Hogan both.

Lost in all the criticism about the failure that was Free Agency last year, was the fact that the whole off season was a bust from start to finish. We did not hire Jason Hogan until February. After FA had already started, iirc. And then of course Jackson was also MIA into training camp. Just an absolute flustercluck.

This season, with a bunch of changes/decisions needing to be made, I think the priority is on signing the coordinator before December 31st so they can both have input on who we need to re-sign and so players can be assured that they want to re-sign.

Some discussion between Andrew Paterson and Jeff Hamilton yesterday:

Tommy Condell:
- Zach has spoken many times about how much he respects Condell
- If it was his choice, this is the hire
- Rumoured that Zach was influential in getting Condell the Ottawa job, as he thought he was the perfect guy to work with Dru Brown

Mike Miller:
- Elgersma was a part of the Toronto Argo's CFL QB internship and spent a couple training camps with them. Apparently he credits Mike Miller with teaching him a lot. A bit of a tie in.

[Jesse]

Who did it hurt? Hogan?

You don't think it'd be ideal to have your QB coach available during training camp?

Collaros specifically talked about working on installs during TC that they never used during the season. Feels like an experienced OC might have helped there.