Kyle Walters extension presser

Jesse · November 21, 2025, 06:15:31 PM

Quote from: markf on November 21, 2025, 02:52:43 PMHe said Bombers dont like to renegotiate contracts. And Zach is getting paid based on what he did in the past. Not what he can do now. At least that's what I understood.

Is that a good approach?

Bo Levi took a cut, Fajardo must have. I don't know about Adams jr.

Also Willie took a pay cut at one point.

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" The tabled deal would pay Jefferson in the range of $225,000 per year. He earned $205,000 last year after restructing a contract that was originally set to pay him $265,000."

So they may not be big on it, but they've done it.

I think that was when the cap number shrunk after covid. Willie's been pulling 200k flat for the last few years.

Throw Long Bannatyne · November 21, 2025, 06:31:44 PM

Quote from: Jesse on November 21, 2025, 06:15:31 PMI think that was when the cap number shrunk after covid. Willie's been pulling 200k flat for the last few years.

Willie still has league wide leverage so he will probably ask for the same amount, I'd hate to see him go elsewhere and thrive for the next 4-5 years. As is he's not being used in his best capacity, if given a green light to chase QB's like Betts getts, I think he would put up impressive numbers.

blue_gold_84 · November 21, 2025, 07:04:41 PM

Retain Jefferson and Vaughters; beef up the interior of the D-line and they'll both be better for it.

Sir Blue and Gold · November 21, 2025, 07:15:36 PM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 21, 2025, 07:04:41 PMRetain Jefferson and Vaughters; beef up the interior of the D-line and they'll both be better for it.

Please no.

blue_gold_84 · November 21, 2025, 07:17:08 PM

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on November 21, 2025, 07:15:36 PMPlease no.

Great contribution as always.

Pete · November 21, 2025, 08:26:31 PM

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 21, 2025, 07:04:41 PMRetain Jefferson and Vaughters; beef up the interior of the D-line and they'll both be better for it.

\Im looking foward to seeing what Jaworski and Jenkins can bring at de. Im not a fan of resigning either Jefferson or Vaughters unless its at a reduced price, but either way not both. Im much more interested in using those $'s for an interior lineman

bunker · November 21, 2025, 09:14:58 PM

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on November 21, 2025, 01:48:56 AMHindsight is a wonderful thing, but who was complaining when they signed Vaughters, Mitchell, Logan and Jon Jones in the off-season? All were considered quality players with good pedigrees, spending more money guarantees nothing, FA remains a crap shoot. Hervey spent a fortune on the Elks D-line, they underperformed and missed the playoffs.

I don't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to make these decisions; Walters does. He's also got scouts, film etc... and should be able to make an educated guess, that's what he's paid for. Hervey knew enough not to bother resigning Mitchell. And Walters somehow didn't click in to the fact that Mitchell was only effective at one receiver position, where we already had Wheatfall pencilled in. Toronto knew enough to let J. Jones go. Maybe it would have looked better if Kyrie had gotten injured, but he didn't. Jones ended up like 5th on the depth chart for WIL/MLB, and was a total waste of money. Logan had a history of injuries, and we've never really have had an offence that could utilize another RB to provide value alongside Brady. I thought he did ok with Vaughters. One of four won't cut it. The odds in craps are actually significantly better. My sense is that Walters was going bargain hunting in the mid-priced section of the market because he did not want to overpay for players in demand. Fair enough. But he's got to do a better job of avoiding the lemons this offseason.

Throw Long Bannatyne · November 21, 2025, 10:37:22 PM

Quote from: bunker on November 21, 2025, 09:14:58 PMI don't get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to make these decisions; Walters does. He's also got scouts, film etc... and should be able to make an educated guess, that's what he's paid for. Hervey knew enough not to bother resigning Mitchell. And Walters somehow didn't click in to the fact that Mitchell was only effective at one receiver position, where we already had Wheatfall pencilled in. Toronto knew enough to let J. Jones go. Maybe it would have looked better if Kyrie had gotten injured, but he didn't. Jones ended up like 5th on the depth chart for WIL/MLB, and was a total waste of money. Logan had a history of injuries, and we've never really have had an offence that could utilize another RB to provide value alongside Brady. I thought he did ok with Vaughters. One of four won't cut it. The odds in craps are actually significantly better. My sense is that Walters was going bargain hunting in the mid-priced section of the market because he did not want to overpay for players in demand. Fair enough. But he's got to do a better job of avoiding the lemons this offseason.

Unfortunately being paid hundreds of thousands to do his job along with a room full of scouts doesn't provide Walters with hindsight.

Given a fair opportunity to participate I think Logan and Jones would have eventually fit in well as Vaughters did, unfortunately others ahead of them on the depth chart never stumbled enough to provide them a fair chance to catch on. Agree on Mitchell, should have run an IQ test before signing him to a contract, same for all players, dummies and bad actors don't help win games.

GOLDMEMBER · November 21, 2025, 10:46:39 PM

Quote from: Pete on November 21, 2025, 08:26:31 PM\Im looking foward to seeing what Jaworski and Jenkins can bring at de. Im not a fan of resigning either Jefferson or Vaughters unless its at a reduced price, but either way not both. Im much more interested in using those $'s for an interior lineman

I lean more to being in this camp. Jefferson at a reduced rate only. No to Vaughters. Jenkins and Jarwarski to give healthy long looks plus add add add!

RebusRankin · Reply #39 - Re: Kyle Walters extension presser

Jefferson at a reduced rate but he's going to be 35 and he's declining.

Tecno · Reply #40 - Re: Kyle Walters extension presser

Quote from: markf on November 21, 2025, 02:52:43 PMBo Levi took a cut, Fajardo must have. I don't know about Adams jr.

BLM's cut only occurred after several years of complete suckage -- like actively dragging down good CGY and HAM teams for a while.

Cody was the victim of losing "musical chairs" -- everyone had and was happy with their choice of starting QB. Cody will never be known as anything but a MBT/Arbuckle "very good backup" level QB. Even if he should be known as more in some people's eyes, it's not reality.

But a couple of injuries, or Dru Brown continuing to struggle, and Cody could find himself in the "franchise starter" seat again. Right now he's just the "least bad option" in EDM.

I believe VAJ signed for the same as in BA: $450-$500k. Next FA for VAJ he should be due a bump for his high-stats production.

My point is, Zach won't take a cut unless/until he sucks as bad as some of those other guys did. Making the ESF is not "sucks enough" yet. I don't think he'll ever suck worse, and if he does, that's when he retires. He's not going to take on a MBT/Masoli role.

Jesse · Reply #41 - Re: Kyle Walters extension presser

After a difficult year, I hope everything is in the table to be discussed, but despite the lack of success, we have to acknowledge that the defence led the league in defensive points allowed. I know it didn't happen the way everyone liked, with lots of sacks and pressure, but it was effective.

I keep saying it, but it's the offensive side of the ball that needs to turn things around. It lost us our Grey Cups and couldn't stop turning the ball over the last two seasons. It also holds most of our most expensive contracts.

Tecno · Reply #42 - Re: Kyle Walters extension presser

Quote from: Jesse on Today at 01:56:17 AMAfter a difficult year, I hope everything is in the table to be discussed, but despite the lack of success, we have to acknowledge that the defence led the league in defensive points allowed. I know it didn't happen the way everyone liked, with lots of sacks and pressure, but it was effective.

Imagine if they can keep the D as-is, but find money for 2 top-10 DTs! All of a sudden every time we bring 4 (which is a lot more often than people think) we might get more disruption/sacks!

It's entirely doable. Would just need to find an extra $100-$150 a DT? Heck, what if we just got one... a league top-3 IMP DT to go beside Lawson?

Jesse · Reply #43 - Re: Kyle Walters extension presser

Quote from: Tecno on Today at 02:32:54 AMImagine if they can keep the D as-is, but find money for 2 top-10 DTs! All of a sudden every time we bring 4 (which is a lot more often than people think) we might get more disruption/sacks!

It's entirely doable. Would just need to find an extra $100-$150 a DT? Heck, what if we just got one... a league top-3 IMP DT to go beside Lawson?

If that means leaving the offence as is, I don't think it helps us though.

Tecno · Reply #44 - Re: Kyle Walters extension presser

Quote from: Jesse on Today at 02:44:14 AMIf that means leaving the offence as is, I don't think it helps us though.

No, this would be in addition to fixing the O. Yes, the O needs major work. Yes, the O was our main problem in '25. But the good thing there is there's already huge budget allocated for the O (compared to the D).

If you could get 1-2 monster DTs plus 2-3 new monster OL, and no other changes, I think we'd be back to GC form. Not saying that's all we should do, but those would make an instant impact.