O'Shea Granted Permission to Interview with Argos

Started by Ridermania, November 10, 2025, 04:57:50 PM

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Waffler

Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 06:16:43 PMI can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.
Dinwiddie doesn't seem all in on Dru Brown in some of his comments. I am sure they could swap QB's.
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Blue In BC

I think O'Shea has probably maxed out his salary as a HC. He doesn't seem interested in or a strong candidate to take on multiple hats. So in theory it would be a lateral move he might take but will he?

I can't think of any obvious replacements so in that sense I hope he stays in Winnipeg.
One game at a time.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Waffler on November 10, 2025, 06:18:05 PMDinwiddie doesn't seem all in on Dru Brown in some of his comments. I am sure they could swap QB's.

Brown earns $220K less that Kelly if he maxes out his earnings. Even as a 1 for 1 trade, that's not a good deal for the Redblacks. It may or may not be a good deal for the Argos unless Arbuckle leaves. Is he a free agent.
One game at a time.

Blue72

If MOS does go to TO will he take his OC/DC plus Collaros? That would open up Kelly to Ottawa and maybe Brown and Crum to Winnipeg.

Mike was a good coach earlier and would step in if things aren't working on the field. Lately he just stands on the sidelines and leaves everything to his coaching which are NOT working lately

Pigskin

Do you want a 28 year old Dru Brown, or a 38 year old ZC8? Toronto would be wise to trade Kelly for Brown.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Pigskin on November 10, 2025, 06:16:43 PMI can't see MOS and Kelly in the same room. Would the Argo's have to trade Kelly.

In this weeks 3DN podcast they describe how the Argos front office is terribly understaffed, which is one of the reasons Dinwiddie was happy to move on, he said he'd actually be reducing his workload by taking on the dual role in Ottawa. 

Blueforlife

If he moves on he will bring great success where ever he goes.  I wish him well if that's the case but gut tells me another year here is in the cards.  Lots of factors for him to consider based on what I read above.  Good insight.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Blue72 on November 10, 2025, 06:34:28 PMIf MOS does go to TO will he take his OC/DC plus Collaros? That would open up Kelly to Ottawa and maybe Brown and Crum to Winnipeg.

Mike was a good coach earlier and would step in if things aren't working on the field. Lately he just stands on the sidelines and leaves everything to his coaching which are NOT working lately

Collaros is under contract in Winnipeg. So he can't just take him. So that's a giant leap in speculation. Wait until he actually decides to leave which is not a given.

I'd take Brown and Crum in that scenario but you're suggesting 3 starting QB's get moved in some sort of trade.

One game at a time.

Blue In BC

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Quote from: Blueforlife on November 10, 2025, 07:42:20 PMIf he moves on he will bring great success where ever he goes.  I wish him well if that's the case but gut tells me another year here is in the cards.  Lots of factors for him to consider based on what I read above.  Good insight.

It all comes down to the roster the team ends up with. Argos finished out of the playoffs with Dinwiddie and he's a very good coach. Roster and injuries took him from the Grey Cup winning coach to toast per se.

There is no guarantee O'Shea if he leaves doesn't suffer the same fate.
One game at a time.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 07:59:38 PMIt all comes down to the roster the team ends up with. Argos finished out of the playoffs with Dinwiddie and he's a very good coach. Roster and injuries took him from the Grey Cup winning coach to toast per see.

There is no guarantee O'Shea if he leaves doesn't suffer the same fate.

That's why it doesn't make much sense for O'Shea to leave, he's got a safe secure job in Wpg, if it took him  3 years to improve the Argos performance he could be risking his neck.

blue_gold_84

Does O'Shea have aspirations to try the GM thing? Does Clemons offer up a HC/asst. GM type of deal?

It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.
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Tecno

Quote from: Blue In BC on November 10, 2025, 06:18:09 PMI think O'Shea has probably maxed out his salary as a HC. He doesn't seem interested in or a strong candidate to take on multiple hats. So in theory it would be a lateral move he might take but will he?

That's what I keep saying.  In the coach-cap era there simply isn't any more money to pay MOS more than we're paying him.  It's literally impossible -- and I'm pretty sure MOS isn't the type to accept "creative accounting" under the table.

Plus, watch MOS's post-game and season-ending pressers.  He seems to want to be here -- and it's not just platitudes.

Him going to interview could easily be:
a) nice free $1000 dinner
b) see what they have to say
c) increase leverage for whatever bump he can get out of his next WFC contract

My money is on him staying here.
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Blue In BC

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Quote from: Tecno on November 10, 2025, 09:13:37 PMThat's what I keep saying.  In the coach-cap era there simply isn't any more money to pay MOS more than we're paying him.  It's literally impossible -- and I'm pretty sure MOS isn't the type to accept "creative accounting" under the table.

Plus, watch MOS's post-game and season-ending pressers.  He seems to want to be here -- and it's not just platitudes.

Him going to interview could easily be:
a) nice free $1000 dinner
b) see what they have to say
c) increase leverage for whatever bump he can get out of his next WFC contract

My money is on him staying here.

Steaks now costing $1000 in Toronto? lol

Argos have already net with O'Shea apparently. Lunch at Taco Bell all you can eat.
One game at a time.

The Zipp

Quote from: blue_gold_84 on November 10, 2025, 08:18:36 PMDoes O'Shea have aspirations to try the GM thing? Does Clemons offer up a HC/asst. GM type of deal?

It's going to be interesting to see how this unfolds.

That's the thing - he may want to be GM - how can we know what a man is thinking, that might be one of his career goals and it can certainly be a private goal that most around him don't know about.

Does he have kids/grandkids that live in the TO area, aging family that he wants to be nearer?  Maybe his spouse really wants to move back.  Maybe him and Walters don't actually get along as well as we think.


dd

There is a familiarity and respect between Pinball and MOS, I can see him going back to the Argos organization easily. And maybe Orlando Steinhauer, another former Argo player and teammate to Pinball and MOS, could be in the mix as well. They are looking to turn things around in Toronto, there's good leadership in MOS and OS. I can really see this happening.