O'Shea Granted Permission to Interview with Argos

[dd]

from howard berger (toronto sports writer)

NEW: I'm told the #Argos and Mike O'Shea are close to a deal as head coach. Very likely providing Osh lots of authority over personnel. Expect it will be announced after Sunday to not  interfere with the #GreyCup  . But, I'm uncertain about that. Hell of an addition for the Boatmen. #CFL #Leafs #TSN #BlueBombers



we all may be shocked that MOS may actually want more of a gm type role that what is believed. head coach/assistant gm??

pinball may want to have a succession plan in place and i don't think it's john murphy so why not MOS?

prob would have offered dinwiddie a similar role had he stuck around to listen to the argos counter offer

This is what I ve been expecting. As I said before, it's a done deal my friends, done deal

[Jesse]

from howard berger (toronto sports writer)

NEW: I'm told the #Argos and Mike O'Shea are close to a deal as head coach. Very likely providing Osh lots of authority over personnel. Expect it will be announced after Sunday to not  interfere with the #GreyCup  . But, I'm uncertain about that. Hell of an addition for the Boatmen. #CFL #Leafs #TSN #BlueBombers



we all may be shocked that MOS may actually want more of a gm type role that what is believed. head coach/assistant gm??

pinball may want to have a succession plan in place and i don't think it's john murphy so why not MOS?

prob would have offered dinwiddie a similar role had he stuck around to listen to the argos counter offer

I think he has pretty much full control as it is.

I will still need to see it before I believe it. He has multiple offers. I still think it's more likely he signs the one to stay in Winnipeg rather than any other.

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The fact the Cats have asked permission to speak with MOS tells me the Argos don't have a signed deal in place.

[dd]

I think he has pretty much full control as it is.

I will still need to see it before I believe it. He has multiple offers. I still think it's more likely he signs the one to stay in Winnipeg rather than any other.

I don't think he'd waste his time and TO and Hamilton time just kicking tires. He's an Argo, always has been, the chance to work with Pinball as a HC/GM is too much to pass up. We'll see come Sunday

[Jesse]

I don't think he'd waste his time and TO and Hamilton time just kicking tires. He's an Argo, always has been, the chance to work with Pinball as a HC/GM is too much to pass up. We'll see come Sunday

I wouldn't consider it wasting time. He'd be doing himself a disservice if he didn't listen to all opportunities and, at the very least, take it back to the negotiating table back in Winnipeg.

He's re-signed several times in Winnipeg already, including when the job in Toronto was available. I really don't see what has changed. But, as you say, we should find out soon.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

I don't think he'd waste his time and TO and Hamilton time just kicking tires. He's an Argo, always has been, the chance to work with Pinball as a HC/GM is too much to pass up. We'll see come Sunday

Seems weird to me but maybe he's under pressure from above to move on from his core vets and he's refusing to do so out of stubborn loyalty to them.  MOS seems like the type that would rather move on rather then argue or carry on with a game plan he doesn't believe in.

Can't see the attraction in moving to Toronto, he probably lives in an upper class neighbourhood 20 minutes from work in a big house with lots of room for his family.  Unless he's going by himself and living in a downtown hotel like Chris Jones always did, he won't be able to come anywhere near replicating the quality of life he enjoys in Wpg.

[peg_city]

Sounds like Hamilton is fine with Scott Malanovich. But they still need a GM....

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Here's what I think is happening:

One gets the sense that there is a bit of tension between O'Shea, Walters and Miller.

My reading of the tea leaves is that O'Shea wanted to stretch this core against the judgement of Walters and probably Miller, the former who brought in a bunch of young QBs and probably advocated for a complete overhaul, earlier. That approach was rejected by O'Shea  and the pieces that were aligned to that vision were cut pretty quickly and/or sent to the PR pretty early on in June.

Now we're dealing with egos, a bit of a rift between the three of them and teams courting O'Shea offering more player personnel control, which ya, is the exact message you'd deliver if the above is true and you are thinking strategically.

I'd put some good money on this and it actually aligns with a few things I've heard around. Grain of salt. But I'd stand behind it as the most probable scenario.

[dd]

Seems weird to me but maybe he's under pressure from above to move on from his core vets and he's refusing to do so out of stubborn loyalty to them.  MOS seems like the type that would rather move on rather then argue or carry on with a game plan he doesn't believe in.

Can't see the attraction in moving to Toronto, he probably lives in an upper class neighbourhood 20 minutes from work in a big house with lots of room for his family.  Unless he's going by himself and living in a downtown hotel like Chris Jones always did, he won't be able to come anywhere near replicating the quality of life he enjoys in Wpg.

Same could be said for Buck last year, ya he got his HC promotion, but the cost of housing is $1,000,000 difference between the 2 cities, he still left. guys go because they want to go, not because they have to go.

[bunker]

Here's what I think is happening:

One gets the sense that there is a bit of tension between O'Shea, Walters and Miller.

My reading of the tea leaves is that O'Shea wanted to stretch this core against the judgement of Walters and probably Miller, the former who brought in a bunch of young QBs and probably advocated for a complete overhaul, earlier. That approach was rejected by O'Shea  and the pieces that were aligned to that vision were cut pretty quickly and/or sent to the PR pretty early on in June.

Now we're dealing with egos, a bit of a rift between the three of them and teams courting O'Shea offering more player personnel control, which ya, is the exact message you'd deliver if the above is true and you are thinking strategically.

I'd put some good money on this and it actually aligns with a few things I've heard around. Grain of salt. But I'd stand behind it as the most probable scenario.

I think that scenario is likely also.

[dd]

I think MOS took a look at our FA signings this year and said, heck , I could do better than that, and now he's going to a team that will let him do just that.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Same could be said for Buck last year, ya he got his HC promotion, but the cost of housing is $1,000,000 difference between the 2 cities, he still left. guys go because they want to go, not because they have to go.

Vancouver is still a great city to live in, Toronto is a congested hell-hole by comparison. The Lions practice facilities are in Surrey which would allow Buck to live in a number of nearby communities that are very nice.

[J5V]

If he takes his stubbornness and "loyal to the vets" thing to Toronto and they age-out the way we have I wonder how long it'll be before he's shown the door there. 

[dd]

Vancouver is still a great city to live in, Toronto is a congested hell-hole by comparison. The Lions practice facilities are in Surrey which would allow Buck to live in a number of nearby communities that are very nice.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there's lots to like about toronto and area - muskokas, kawartha lakes(MOS is a huge fisherman and hunter), niagara falls, zip across to buffalo to take in a Bills game, no -30 degree winters, can get rid of his block heater, his travel schedule for playing east teams is a driveable for 2 of the 3 teams, etc etc. I've lived in both places and would live in southern ontario in a heartbeat.

[Big Daddy]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there's lots to like about toronto and area - muskokas, kawartha lakes(MOS is a huge fisherman and hunter), niagara falls, zip across to buffalo to take in a Bills game, no -30 degree winters, can get rid of his block heater, his travel schedule for playing east teams is a driveable for 2 of the 3 teams, etc etc. I've lived in both places and would live in southern ontario in a heartbeat.

Fair points until you mentioned hunting and fishing.  I'm sure it's not bad there, but Osh lives in Headingley - you can drive under an hour to a nice tree stand and get an epic buck.  Heck I've got a 5x5 walking through my yard out here at times.

Fishing - well, I'm sure Muskoka is great, it reminds me of LOTW.  But there's even closer fishing than LOTW, and again that's a lot closer than anything near YYZ.

I believe Paul Maurice is from the Sioux St. Marie?  Yet he still has his summer place here at LOTW.

For outdoors, proximity to Wpg is hard to beat.