Blue Bombers Transactions - August 17, 2025

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Blueforlife

Quote from: dd on October 28, 2025, 11:19:21 PMNick demski was a running back converted to a receiver, how did that work out??

either we find a spot for him or another team will. He's miles better than augustine and everyone knows that
Takes a special talent to switch positions
Demski was just that
Sample size on Paterson is too low to say he is miles ahead of Augustine but shows incredible promise

Tecno

Quote from: ModAdmin on October 28, 2025, 10:53:24 PMIf he has receiver potential why not? He's behind Brady in the RB competition in, at least, the near future. He has enough talent to interest any team and someone will surely sign him when his next contract is due. And I doubt he will want to be a back up here for the next several years.

Why not?  It would appear the absolute best place a NAT RB can choose to be is in WPG.  They get to dev behind the best (first AH, now BO) on a run-focused team, and are then next in line to be the future superstar.

Worked for Brady.  I'm sure you could have said to Brady in his 2nd year "you'll never get to start instead of AH, you might as well switch teams"!  That would have been bad advice.

(Yes, "but JA27...".  The difference with Johnny is he was never talented enough to become a legit starter.  He's not even STE level, which isn't that high.)
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Blueforlife

Quote from: Tecno on October 29, 2025, 12:41:21 AMWhy not?  It would appear the absolute best place a NAT RB can choose to be is in WPG.  They get to dev behind the best (first AH, now BO) on a run-focused team, and are then next in line to be the future superstar.

Worked for Brady.  I'm sure you could have said to Brady in his 2nd year "you'll never get to start instead of AH, you might as well switch teams"!  That would have been bad advice.

(Yes, "but JA27...".  The difference with Johnny is he was never talented enough to become a legit starter.  He's not even STE level, which isn't that high.)
Exactly how I see it as well.  Not surprising we are on the same page.  I would pay Peterson well to wait.

Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Tecno on October 29, 2025, 12:41:21 AMWhy not?  It would appear the absolute best place a NAT RB can choose to be is in WPG.  They get to dev behind the best (first AH, now BO) on a run-focused team, and are then next in line to be the future superstar.

Worked for Brady.  I'm sure you could have said to Brady in his 2nd year "you'll never get to start instead of AH, you might as well switch teams"!  That would have been bad advice.

(Yes, "but JA27...".  The difference with Johnny is he was never talented enough to become a legit starter.  He's not even STE level, which isn't that high.)

Use him or lose him, Peterson is an ambitious young guy that's only wanted to play football since he was 10 and isn't going to settle for second fiddle if given a choice. He was a Hervey project from the UofA and followed Ed to Hamilton from Edmonton, easy to see them connecting again in his home province. 

Remembering the early games when Brady was out, I thought he was decent catching the ball out of the backfield, his stats back that up he was 10/15 for 51 yds. almost all picked up on YAC.      

Disagree with your opinion on Augustine, he's a talented scat back that showed up in the wrong decade, every team wants a power back like Brady now.

Sir Blue and Gold

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I hate to be this guy but it's kind of embarrassing if we're actually talking about dressing a running back as a receiver (for the first time no less) for a playoff game.

Peterson isn't a special talent. He's a Canadian kid who is therefore afforded a special number of chances to develop due to fake scarcity created by a dumb rule.

If we didn't have the ratio he wouldn't have made it out of training camp.

He's not a receiver. He's an adequate backup and change of pace running back for a Canadian. I say for a Canadian because if he was American he wouldn't be good enough to roster.

We all better hope for the league's sake he doesn't get activated as a receiver unless the CFL is roughly on par with high school football in Nunavut.




ModAdmin

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 29, 2025, 02:40:08 AMI hate to be this guy but it's kind of embarrassing if we're actually talking about dressing a running back as a receiver (for the first time no less) for a playoff game.

Peterson isn't a special talent. He's a Canadian kid who is therefore afforded a special number of chances to develop due to fake scarcity created by a dumb rule.

If we didn't have the ratio he wouldn't have made it out of training camp.

He's not a receiver. He's an adequate backup and change of pace running back for a Canadian. I say for a Canadian because if he was American he wouldn't be good enough to roster.

We all better hope for the league's sake he doesn't get activated as a receiver unless the CFL is roughly on par with high school football in Nunavut.





I am certainly not suggesting we start Peterson at receiver in the playoffs.  I am suggesting that he may feel he has the talent to start with a team at running back and move to that team.  Because BO20 did not follow that may not mean anything to Peterson.  Brady is a Winnipeger, has ties in Winnipeg, and that had to have some bearing for him to remain in Winnipeg, despite the ability he has.

I would suggest that if Peterson is a decent receiver we give him an opportunity, while he is still a Bomber, to see what he can do in that position.  It is not that we are deep in receivers at this point.

I would think he has shown enough talent this year that we would want to try to keep him here.
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ModAdmin

Quote from: Blueforlife on October 28, 2025, 10:56:43 PMBecause he is a running back and there are likely many other options at receiver that are better than him.  I have seen the idea of fans proposals to change players positions in the past and I usually don't think they are good ideas.  My point is why try to change a players position when they already very good at what they do.  Success at RB doesn't mean he would be successful at receiver.  A very rare combination of skills allows for that.

I would try to retain him at RB.  I see us running Canadian RBs for as long as we can.  A pillar of strength for us to allow for ratio flexibility.

We tried several different options last season and very few have been successful. I am not suggesting we change his position.  Give him opportunity to see if he can play more than one position.  I can almost guarantee you that when he becomes available, and assuming he stays on the same trajectory, another team will try to sign him.  He is from Alberta and does not have same ties to Manitoba that Brady O. does.

With the talent he SEEMS to have, he will not patiently sit behind Brady for several seasons.
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Tecno

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 29, 2025, 01:13:11 AMUse him or lose him, Peterson is an ambitious young guy that's only wanted to play football since he was 10 and isn't going to settle for second fiddle if given a choice.

But wasn't Brady the same?  Yet he sat how many years behind AH before being the star?  If it's good enough for BO20, why not Peterson?

What did we give Brady in year 3 to entice him to stay?  Probably a nice ELC bump.  Just do the same with Peterson.  No one will pay Peterson Brady money to steal him away -- not yet anyway.  Just bump him to be $ competitive and tell him he's the next Brady, just be patient.

I'm not sure Peterson is the next Brady, but from what we've seen he could be.  30% chance?

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 29, 2025, 01:13:11 AMDisagree with your opinion on Augustine, he's a talented scat back that showed up in the wrong decade, every team wants a power back like Brady now.

Which part?  That he's no Brady?  Or that he's no STE?  Both STE/JA27 have started some games this season.  Neither has been very effective, but to me STE has been better.  JA seems to have been healthy-PR'd after mediocre performances.
Never go full Johnston!

Tecno

Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 29, 2025, 02:40:08 AMI hate to be this guy but it's kind of embarrassing if we're actually talking about dressing a running back as a receiver (for the first time no less) for a playoff game.

Agreed.  If I'm looking at Corcoran, Cobb & Peterson, I'm making Cobb a starting REC because he's flashed nice and is more senior.  Corcoran too only if we're short due to injury -- but if ratio allows I'm using Mitchell instead.

Peterson is a free dress anyhow, no need to make any AR decisions.  If he gets a look in a special package, ok fine.  If it works well, maybe give him 2-3.  But no way he's stepping in for a "real" REC slot position for more than a couple of special plays.
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Tecno

Quote from: ModAdmin on October 29, 2025, 05:01:57 AMI can almost guarantee you that when he becomes available, and assuming he stays on the same trajectory, another team will try to sign him.

But WPG *must* have a backup RB.  That *must* be a NAT unless we have another weird year with 10 starting NATs.  The *only* way you get an IMP as your backup RB is if he's already dressed, like at returner -- like Logan -- or he's a legit or potential future dual threat (like McCrae or Flanders).

So if we must have a NAT backup RB (absent the rare instances above) then by definition we must fill the spot via:
a) keeping/paying Peterson
or
b) drafting or FA'ing someone equally as promising

So watch the draft class to see if (b) is even an option -- and I don't see FA as useful because STE/JA/etc are not as good.

Therefore, my money is on us paying Peterson enough to keep him.  And it shouldn't be much.
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bunker

Quote from: Tecno on October 29, 2025, 06:06:14 AMBut WPG *must* have a backup RB.  That *must* be a NAT unless we have another weird year with 10 starting NATs.  The *only* way you get an IMP as your backup RB is if he's already dressed, like at returner -- like Logan -- or he's a legit or potential future dual threat (like McCrae or Flanders).

So if we must have a NAT backup RB (absent the rare instances above) then by definition we must fill the spot via:
a) keeping/paying Peterson
or
b) drafting or FA'ing someone equally as promising

So watch the draft class to see if (b) is even an option -- and I don't see FA as useful because STE/JA/etc are not as good.

Therefore, my money is on us paying Peterson enough to keep him.  And it shouldn't be much.

Must is too strong, nice to have more like it. Brady is pretty durable for a RB. If injured, in a pinch we play Chris -Ike for the remainder of the game, then activate a (better than Peterson) import RB off the PR. I like Peterson, and he gives us ratio flex if Brady goes down, but we would survive his loss. There are also good nat RBs graduating every year. He's faster than Brady, but cannot break tackles the way Brady and AH33 did.

bunker

Ok I see you meant nat RB is a must, not specifically Peterson, fair enough.

blue_gold_84

Quote from: Tecno on October 29, 2025, 05:46:37 AMBut wasn't Brady the same?  Yet he sat how many years behind AH before being the star?

Two years - and really only one season if you want to get technical. Oliveira was drafted in 2019 but only played in two games up until his season-ending injury. He saw a lot  playing time in 2021 due to Harris' injury issues. He then become the team's starting tailback for the 2022 season after Harris' departure in FA. FWIW, Harris and Oliveira are ten years apart, which is a pretty huge gap for athletes.

I don't know if that situation is comparable to this one with Oliveira and Peterson.
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Sir Blue and Gold

Quote from: ModAdmin on October 29, 2025, 04:49:52 AMI am certainly not suggesting we start Peterson at receiver in the playoffs.  I am suggesting that he may feel he has the talent to start with a team at running back and move to that team.  Because BO20 did not follow that may not mean anything to Peterson.  Brady is a Winnipeger, has ties in Winnipeg, and that had to have some bearing for him to remain in Winnipeg, despite the ability he has.

I would suggest that if Peterson is a decent receiver we give him an opportunity, while he is still a Bomber, to see what he can do in that position.  It is not that we are deep in receivers at this point.

I would think he has shown enough talent this year that we would want to try to keep him here.

Sure. If he wants to sign for league minimum or you want to give him a  modest raise and release Brady. If he comes in at $120,000 - $150,000 can we really justify spending ~$420,000 on a pair of running backs? The salary cap is about $6M so that would be about 7% of the cap?

To put it another way, how much worse would Quinton Cooley have done if we gave him the ball this season at $70,000 backed up by Chris-Ike and an American RB on the PR? How much better a team would we have been if that $350,000 was directed to the offensive and defensive line?

I argue much better.

Jesse

#29
Quote from: Sir Blue and Gold on October 29, 2025, 02:40:08 AMI hate to be this guy but it's kind of embarrassing if we're actually talking about dressing a running back as a receiver (for the first time no less) for a playoff game.

Peterson isn't a special talent. He's a Canadian kid who is therefore afforded a special number of chances to develop due to fake scarcity created by a dumb rule.

If we didn't have the ratio he wouldn't have made it out of training camp.

He's not a receiver. He's an adequate backup and change of pace running back for a Canadian. I say for a Canadian because if he was American he wouldn't be good enough to roster.

We all better hope for the league's sake he doesn't get activated as a receiver unless the CFL is roughly on par with high school football in Nunavut.





It's 100% embarrassing that our receiver depth is this weak. Same as when we have to trot Streveler out there. It should not happen.

That said, it's an extremely biased take for you to claim Paterson is only here because he been afforded extra chances due to the ratio. He's absolutely proved he's belonged in every opportunity and is in his rookie season. He hasn't been hanging on for multiple years at the bottom of the roster playing only ST.
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