GDT BC at Ssk, Sat Oct 25, 6:00PM

Tecno · October 26, 2025, 03:29:41 AM

BC isn't looking good considering Riders switched to pre-season mode after the half. How many backups/#2's were playing after that?

Trevor was dissecting them with that cursed dink & dunk. I don't think BC has really found a solution all season.

To me it looks like any of SSK/CGY/BC can win the W. The home field advantage may prove the difference(s).

Blue In BC · October 26, 2025, 12:12:42 PM

Quote from: GOLDMEMBER on October 26, 2025, 01:11:20 AMNo way Bombers would be beating the stamps and riders on the road.

Off to Montreal. We can beat those guys.

You may be right but you may be wrong just as well. It's going to depend on which Collaros shows up regardless of which teams we play.

Blue In BC · October 26, 2025, 12:14:47 PM

Quote from: Tecno on October 26, 2025, 02:04:29 AMThe non-TD/fumble/non-TD:

a) By my computer measurements, the ball at it's closest (in frame by frame) did break the plane by a fraction of an inch.

b) The whistle went because the dude thought it was TD -- it was too early to be any sort of DBC and the dude didn't get DBC for quite a while anyhow. So I think we can exclude the whistle for DBC.

c) If (b) is correct, he whistled for a TD, then the call on-field should have been TD. That would require an overturn on review -- and my point (a) above would make it so it's not "clear & obvious" and it would remain a TD.

d) The "play is over" or "forward progress" whistle negating the SSK return TD is fair because CFL has done this many times (including to us if memory serves, most recently to Demski). No one likes it, but the only solution is to once again remind the refs not to blow whistles.

e) I think the CFL needs to explain what the whistle was for -- did that ref call TD? If not, he should be reprimanded as no one was anywhere near DBC, and it wasn't even a question. And if it was whistled a TD, then explain how/why it got overturned when it appears to have crossed (to see this you need to pause on the right frame and draw a vertical line (hold up a ruler if you want) and follow it down to the leading edge of the goal line).

I'm not clear on what happened except the feeling that the Riders got screwed and the refs messed up probably. It was a bang bang play. I didn't think it was a TD although very close. So if that wasn't the call then why was it whistled dead?

dd · October 26, 2025, 03:26:22 PM

My take on the play was that the ref inadvertantly killed the play when Sask recovered the ball outside the end zone, that's why the ball went to the 1 yard line. Not sure why the ref had the quick whistle at the goal line area, let the play go until the player at least is on the ground. I am sure he'll hear about this big time during their post game review!! Inexcusable at this level of football and this time of year- 1 week before playoffs.

Blue In BC · October 26, 2025, 05:07:27 PM

Quote from: dd on October 26, 2025, 03:26:22 PMMy take on the play was that the ref inadvertantly killed the play when Sask recovered the ball outside the end zone, that's why the ball went to the 1 yard line. Not sure why the ref had the quick whistle at the goal line area, let the play go until the player at least is on the ground. I am sure he'll hear about this big time during their post game review!! Inexcusable at this level of football and this time of year- 1 week before playoffs.

Yeah, that's a monumental issue / mistake in a game that decided 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the west, changing the crossover.

Riders probably win if the play stood, the Lions become the crossover and the Bombers end up in 3rd.

dd · October 26, 2025, 09:52:06 PM

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2025, 05:07:27 PMYeah, that's a monumental issue / mistake in a game that decided 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the west, changing the crossover.

Riders probably win if the play stood, the Lions become the crossover and the Bombers end up in 3rd.

Oh for sure. An inadvertant whistle at the CFL level is almost unheard of. That's inexperience coming out. I doubt whomever committed the error is reffing in the playoffs, but you're right, a huge monumental gaff that determined the playoff paths for a number of teams.

Tecno · October 27, 2025, 03:57:46 AM

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2025, 12:14:47 PMI'm not clear on what happened except the feeling that the Riders got screwed and the refs messed up probably. It was a bang bang play. I didn't think it was a TD although very close. So if that wasn't the call then why was it whistled dead?

Exactly. The whistle can only sound (in this situation) for 3 reasons:

1. TD was scored
2. DBC
3. Forward progress stopped

I rewatched and there are a few nuances I noticed.
a) Hatcher backing towards GL
b) D hits him from behind and wraps his arms around him and forward progress (FPS) stopped. Arms stay wrapped through the whole process
c) ball flies out
d) Hatcher knee touches down
e) whistle

The whistle sounded within the normal "eyes - brain - mouth" reaction time from (d). It was a little late in terms of "I saw a TD" reaction time.

So what I think is there was a ref looking for DBC (or even forward progress as per (b)) and saw that knee hit or thought "he's been wrapped up moving backwards long enough" who didn't even notice the ball was loose. If it was the ref right above the play (on-screen) that would make sense as the ball fell out beside a trailing D guy on the ground blocking his view.

So it may have been somewhat unavoidable, especially if the ref was fixated on the carrier body to determine DBC/FPS.

Tecno · October 27, 2025, 04:00:36 AM

Quote from: Blue In BC on October 26, 2025, 05:07:27 PMYeah, that's a monumental issue / mistake in a game that decided 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the west, changing the crossover.

Riders probably win if the play stood, the Lions become the crossover and the Bombers end up in 3rd.

That's a very good point. Could have been the game decider. However, it occurred at 3Q11:35 so who's to say Rourke/Buck wouldn't have turned on the jets some more to dial up some more TDs? Surely it could have been done if they reached into the post-season bag of secret tricks.

I'm sure what we saw in this game is not "peak Lions" ball. They were holding back because a) who cares if they go east? -- might be preferred, and b) they were playing the SSK "b team".

Tecno · October 27, 2025, 04:03:40 AM

Quote from: dd on October 26, 2025, 09:52:06 PMOh for sure. An inadvertant whistle at the CFL level is almost unheard of. That's inexperience coming out. I doubt whomever committed the error is reffing in the playoffs, but you're right, a huge monumental gaff that determined the playoff paths for a number of teams.

Uh, whistle mistakes like this occur 1-3 times every season. I can remember us losing out on TDs or YAC for the same reason. The league did try to address it a few seasons ago, so much so that sometimes the most obvious DBCs are not whistled so that TD-runs the other way can take place so Command can sort it out.

As for reffing in the playoffs: not necessarily. The best crews get rewarded playoff & GC games (only 2 or 1 game a weekend hereon out). I'm sure the worst-graded refs have already been sent home. I wonder if that includes everyone's favorite 2 minor refs...