Bombers @ Elks

Started by Pigskin, October 02, 2025, 06:12:42 PM

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Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMI'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be.

More like the next Bailey. His main job here is to block.

Corcoran: six-foot-one, 208 pounds and a 4.76 in the 40.
Bailey:   six-foot-one, 205 pounds and a 4.61 in the 40.
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMYou're forgetting that's exactly what Demski looked like in his first seasons with SSK.  Even LaFrance showed more promise early on than Demski did, and look where he is now.

I'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be.  Sometimes with these smaller NAT RECs you need to be patient.

If you can't see the difference by watching them playing I don't know how to respond, they're not in the same ballpark as far as natural talent goes.

Corcoran was selected in the 39th pick of the fifth round in the 2025 CFL draft by the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.  Demski was highly rated coming out of the UofM, Walters obviously knew all about his versatility and wanted to draft him, unfortunately the Riders picked him 6th overall in 2015 and the Bombers were forced to settle for the legendary Addison Richards. Ironically the Bombers traded the Riders for the #2 pick and selected Sukh Chungh instead of Demski.

RebusRankin

Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMYou're forgetting that's exactly what Demski looked like in his first seasons with SSK.  Even LaFrance showed more promise early on than Demski did, and look where he is now.

I'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be.  Sometimes with these smaller NAT RECs you need to be patient.

Demsski had more catches for over twice as many yards in one less game and also contributed as a returner as a rookie.
Not the same at all. Also had way better athletic measurables.

Pete

Quote from: Tecno on October 09, 2025, 09:41:15 PMYou're forgetting that's exactly what Demski looked like in his first seasons with SSK.  Even LaFrance showed more promise early on than Demski did, and look where he is now.

I'm not saying Corcoran IS the next Demski, I'm saying he could be.  Sometimes with these smaller NAT RECs you need to be patient.
First off Corcoran is 6'1  lbs so not really small, but the bigger issue is that he's slow. His combine speed was 4.76. Yeah he has decent hands but he's not in Demski's league in terms of speed and running ability.

dd

Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 12:37:11 AMFirst off Corcoran is 6'1  lbs so not really small, but the bigger issue is that he's slow. His combine speed was 4.76. Yeah he has decent hands but he's not in Demski's league in terms of speed and running ability.
4.76 is not terribly slow, be interested what Demski's 40 time is, bet its same ball park.

Pete

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Quote from: dd on October 10, 2025, 12:39:44 AM4.76 is not terribly slow, be interested what Demski's 40 time is, bet its same ball park.
Demski 4.56 (he may have lost a step since then though)
(similar to Mcinnis and Kevin Clercius 4.59).
4.76 is pretty slow for a receiver ,

RebusRankin

Quote from: dd on October 10, 2025, 12:39:44 AM4.76 is not terribly slow, be interested what Demski's 40 time is, bet its same ball park.

That's a lousy tine for a wr. His other measurables at the combine also were not great. Corcoran profiles more as the 99 cent store Jamie Stoddard than the next Demski.

Tecno

Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 12:37:11 AMFirst off Corcoran is 6'1.

I don't know why, but I perceived Corcoran to be short(er) on the field.  I didn't know he was 6'1.  Would never have guessed that.

Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 12:37:11 AMYeah he has decent hands but he's not in Demski's league in terms of speed and running ability.

Wow, tough crowd!  I'm trying to have some optimism on the young Canadian and you guys just shoot him down as a never-was.  Hope he doesn't read the forum!

I'm sure there's some similar NATs that went on to have CFL success.  6'1 and hands could make up for the slower speed.  Look at Schoen -- he's never been fast.
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Tecno

Quote from: RebusRankin on October 09, 2025, 11:22:00 PMDemsski had more catches for over twice as many yards in one less game and also contributed as a returner as a rookie.
Not the same at all.

That's not saying very much given Corcoran's tiny output so far.  Both got very few targets in rookie year, probably both were the last read any given snap.
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Tecno

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 10:44:57 PMIf you can't see the difference by watching them playing I don't know how to respond

Again, compare rookie Demski to rookie Corcoran, not today's Demski to rookie Corcoran.  If you are saying you remember "watching [Demski] play" in his rookie year and paid attention to a rookie nobody NAT dressed in green -- I'm not sure I believe you!  I certainly didn't pay him any attention!

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 09, 2025, 10:44:57 PMthey're not in the same ballpark as far as natural talent goes.

Corcoran was selected in the 39th pick of the fifth round in the 2025 CFL draft by the Winnipeg Blue Bombers.

You may have a point there.  I didn't know they drafted so differently.
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Jesse

Quote from: Tecno on October 10, 2025, 04:57:26 AMAgain, compare rookie Demski to rookie Corcoran, not today's Demski to rookie Corcoran.  If you are saying you remember "watching [Demski] play" in his rookie year and paid attention to a rookie nobody NAT dressed in green -- I'm not sure I believe you!  I certainly didn't pay him any attention!

You may have a point there.  I didn't know they drafted so differently.


Then you should probably stop making the argument, lol.

Riders used him on special teams to take advantage of his elite athleticism while he was still figuring out if he was going to to be a RB, or receiver, or gadget player, but they got him on the field is as many ways as possible. We had wanted to draft him too, he was a top prospect.
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Pete

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Quote from: Tecno on October 10, 2025, 04:52:41 AMI don't know why, but I perceived Corcoran to be short(er) on the field.  I didn't know he was 6'1.  Would never have guessed that.

Wow, tough crowd!  I'm trying to have some optimism on the young Canadian and you guys just shoot him down as a never-was.  Hope he doesn't read the forum!

I'm sure there's some similar NATs that went on to have CFL success.  6'1 and hands could make up for the slower speed.  Look at Schoen -- he's never been fast.
again your misinformation in this case is a lot. Schoens time was better than the others at 4.5.
Not saying that corcoran cant be successful in the proper capacity but it will be uphill. For one thing his blocking skills need to improve, and develop a high level ability to read defences
Hes just not a comparable to Demski.

theaardvark

Cocoran was the one wide open receiver that CS17 was able to find in his 3 completion start, so his "getting open" ability is there.

He has been targeted 10 times, caught 9 of them. So, "good hands"?

He's a raw rookie, his blocking at a pro level in the CFL will be something they will be working on.  But no reason he can't do it.

Is he Nic Demski today?  Nope.  Not even close.  But unless we continue to develop him, he never will be.  He's a year behind Clercius in development, adapting to the CFL game is not something that comes instantly, but he seems to be progressing just fine.  5th rec has been a place to hide a development/fringe NAT player in the CFL... 
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Throw Long Bannatyne

Quote from: Pete on October 10, 2025, 02:32:11 PMagain your misinformation in this case is a lot. Schoens time was better than the others at 4.5.
Not saying that corcoran cant be successful in the proper capacity but it will be uphill. For one thing his blocking skills need to improve, and develop a high level ability to read defences
Hes just not a comparable to Demski.

I believe Corcoran can attain the level of Woli. if he puts in years of hard work, but he's never going to be a Philpot, McInnes, Emilus or Demski.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on October 10, 2025, 04:56:29 PMI believe Corcoran can attain the level of Woli. if he puts in years of hard work, but he's never going to be a Philpot, McInnes, Emilus or Demski.

Receivers at the level of Woli are available every off season in free agency. Perhaps Corcoran can achieve that level next year or the last year of his ELC. He needs to show improvement going into 2026 or could face being replaced.

Canadian back ups that don't also play on ST's need to progress year to year. We'll see what his future brings.
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