Strevy's a Winning .750 QB

[BlueInCgy]

What more can you ask of a $115k backup who also does great SY for you??

Um, actually getting the first downs on short yardage.  2019 Streveler was great at SY.  This season he's probably 4th at best on SY.  Tommy Stevens owns that this year

[BlueInCgy]

If D's start playing 20Y off on Strev, he'll get decent yards too!

Why would any defence play 20Y off for Strev, that's 12 yards more than he can throw.

[Blueforlife]

Why would any defence play 20Y off for Strev, that's 12 yards more than he can throw.

Accuracy, decision making and reading the D is the problem.  On occasion has thrown a decent medium route.

[BlueInCgy]

Accuracy, decision making and reading the D is the problem.  On occasion has thrown a decent medium route.

So, not a QB then....

[dd]

So, not a QB then....

Not even close to being one

[TecnoGenius]

Not even close to being one

And if he win again on Saturday?

What if Zach is gone and Strev wins 3 of our next 4?  Is there anything that will ever make him a "real QB" in the eyes of many?

(I'm not making a statement about whether he's a "real QB" or not, I'm just asking what sort of record it will take before he is given any credit, or will he NEVER get credit even if he wins us the cup...)

[BlueInCgy]

And if he win again on Saturday?

What if Zach is gone and Strev wins 3 of our next 4?  Is there anything that will ever make him a "real QB" in the eyes of many?

(I'm not making a statement about whether he's a "real QB" or not, I'm just asking what sort of record it will take before he is given any credit, or will he NEVER get credit even if he wins us the cup...)

Alright, I'll challenge your words like I did PJs.  If Chris Streveler wins 3 of the next 4, I won't post for a calendar year.  If he loses more than 1 game for the duration of the season, you don't post for a year.

I am strong in my convictions.  Let's see if you have any at all.

[TecnoGenius]

Alright, I'll challenge your words like I did PJs.  If Chris Streveler wins 3 of the next 4, I won't post for a calendar year.  If he loses more than 1 game for the duration of the season, you don't post for a year.

I am strong in my convictions.  Let's see if you have any at all.

Except I never said this is what I was predicting, or betting on, or even wanted to see.  I was positing a proposition to see if there was ANYTHING Strev could do that would please the (so-called) haters.

It has zero to do with me.  Now normally if I said "I think X will happen", and I'm convinced, then ya I'll bet nearly anything monetary-wise.  But betting my posting privileges?  Never.  And I wouldn't want you to lose yours either, as either option diminishes this forum, which already has a tiny fraction of regular posters the Riderforum does.

Everyone thinks I'm suddenly that Strevy poster that was here for a month just because I point out simple facts.  I never once stated I thought Strev was a likely winner, or a good passer, or a "real" QB.  I see what everyone else sees.  (I am far more optimistic every new week though, so I get to be thoroughly disappointed at the lack of passing every time.)

I have no conviction about Strev other than he's 3-1 this season and tough as nails.  To quote our PJ: Simple as.

[Blue In BC]

And if he win again on Saturday?

What if Zach is gone and Strev wins 3 of our next 4?  Is there anything that will ever make him a "real QB" in the eyes of many?

(I'm not making a statement about whether he's a "real QB" or not, I'm just asking what sort of record it will take before he is given any credit, or will he NEVER get credit even if he wins us the cup...)

The question isn't whether we win. It's whether the QB is largely responsible for the win. Oliveria could rush for 150 yards, defence could have 2 pick 6's while the offence doesn't throw a pass.

OTOH the exact opposite is possible. Dru Brown threw for 400 yards and lost as an example.

The premise that the QB gets credit for every win or gets blamed for every loss is not astute.

[TecnoGenius]

The premise that the QB gets credit for every win or gets blamed for every loss is not astute.

It's not just astute, it's reality.  I already explained why.  Note the underlined word.  Yes they do get CREDIT.  It's an actual CFL stat line.  "QB wins".

I never said it's deserved, or correct.  It just is.  I'm not sure how you can argue this?

You actually prove my point.  Dru throws for 400 vs 58 and yet all anyone will remember in a month is Dru has the big L on his forehead and he's a chump for losing this game.  If we win the cup this year, Strev will be remembered years from now as a hero who kept us in the fight until Zach could return, because Strev got the W's.

No one except me remembers that it was Ento that won the '23 GC by denying us 2 critical TDs.  Nope.  Who is remembered for winning that game?  Cody.  He's immortal now, and Ento is a tiny name etched with 45 others on the cup, soon forgotten until his 20th year reunion hurrah at Molson.

Now, talk all you want about how it's wrong, or isn't fair, or doesn't do the game justice, or how some games are "won" by ST, and some are "won" by your D, and some by a 200Y REC, or even the QB who threw for 400Y and 5 TDs that day.  The only one that is remembered and gets the W stat is the QB.  Reality sucks sometimes.

[BlueInCgy]

Except I never said this is what I was predicting, or betting on, or even wanted to see.  I was positing a proposition to see if there was ANYTHING Strev could do that would please the (so-called) haters.

It has zero to do with me.  Now normally if I said "I think X will happen", and I'm convinced, then ya I'll bet nearly anything monetary-wise.  But betting my posting privileges?  Never.  And I wouldn't want you to lose yours either, as either option diminishes this forum, which already has a tiny fraction of regular posters the Riderforum does.

Everyone thinks I'm suddenly that Strevy poster that was here for a month just because I point out simple facts.  I never once stated I thought Strev was a likely winner, or a good passer, or a "real" QB.  I see what everyone else sees.  (I am far more optimistic every new week though, so I get to be thoroughly disappointed at the lack of passing every time.)

I have no conviction about Strev other than he's 3-1 this season and tough as nails.  To quote our PJ: Simple as.

Yeah, that's what I figured.  Full of hot air as usual. 

[TecnoGenius]

Yeah, that's what I figured.  Full of hot air as usual.

You either don't read, or you read but don't understand.  Par for the course.

[LXTSN]

Strevler is awesome! I love his attitude, and drive. I do believe that he motivates the guys, and when he's in the game our defense and special teams play a little better.

But we can't have any more 50 yard passing games. You're asking what Strev could do to make haters happy? Maybe 150-200 yards passing? He doesn't have to do what Collaros does with the long ball, but we have to have some kind of threat to throw the ball. What we've done isn't sustainable.

[Blue In BC]

It's not just astute, it's reality.  I already explained why.  Note the underlined word.  Yes they do get CREDIT.  It's an actual CFL stat line.  "QB wins".

I never said it's deserved, or correct.  It just is.  I'm not sure how you can argue this?

You actually prove my point.  Dru throws for 400 vs 58 and yet all anyone will remember in a month is Dru has the big L on his forehead and he's a chump for losing this game.  If we win the cup this year, Strev will be remembered years from now as a hero who kept us in the fight until Zach could return, because Strev got the W's.

No one except me remembers that it was Ento that won the '23 GC by denying us 2 critical TDs.  Nope.  Who is remembered for winning that game?  Cody.  He's immortal now, and Ento is a tiny name etched with 45 others on the cup, soon forgotten until his 20th year reunion hurrah at Molson.

Now, talk all you want about how it's wrong, or isn't fair, or doesn't do the game justice, or how some games are "won" by ST, and some are "won" by your D, and some by a 200Y REC, or even the QB who threw for 400Y and 5 TDs that day.  The only one that is remembered and gets the W stat is the QB.  Reality sucks sometimes.

I'm not talking about statistical credit. I'm talking about some fans the give credit or blame without looking at the total picture.

The Bomber weekend game and trying to give Streveler more credit than he deserves. That game was won by points on turnovers by Vaval and Allen.

[Blue In BC]

Strevler is awesome! I love his attitude, and drive. I do believe that he motivates the guys, and when he's in the game our defense and special teams play a little better.

But we can't have any more 50 yard passing games. You're asking what Strev could do to make haters happy? Maybe 150-200 yards passing? He doesn't have to do what Collaros does with the long ball, but we have to have some kind of threat to throw the ball. What we've done isn't sustainable.

It's not the yardage so much. It's control of the flow of the game, winning TOP with a balanced attack. Not giving up points due to turnovers.

Longer drives even without scoring to win the field position battle.

Last game 11 yards passing and IIRC 3 1st downs in the 1st half and losing TOP by 8 minutes is the opposite of what we want to see.

Some games are very low scoring in the 1st half. Being ahead 7 - 3 with 50-100 yards passing is not always a bad thing.