OC questions

[ModAdmin]

The issue(s) are complicated.

- We are dealing with injuries to, and aging offensive and defensive lines,

- An aging starting quarterback who has been also fighting injuries,

- No clear cut indication who is qualified to the "next starting QB'

- A new Offensive Coordinator,

- The recruitment of several new players who have yet to prove themselves,

All of which puts both the offence and defence in question.

The good news is we remain in the playoff battle.

But there is work to be done, questions to be asked, legitimate concerns to be addressed now and in the future.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Some of the issues you mention are complicated. The Hogan criticism should be more nuanced as it truly is complicated.

The rest? Not sure. Not really.

Getting pounded along the defensive line isn't complicated. Not being able to pick up interior pressure isn't complicated. Streveler throwing into a window that doesn't exist over the middle and having it picked off again is not. Streveler not reading a screen pass is not either. These are just fundamentally the result of bad football. Our free agent signing have largely been busts and we've collected enough sample size to make a determination with six games left in the season. They are what they are. Excuses can be made for them, but they truly are excuses at this point.

[TBURGESS]

We have a bad receiving core. One of the worst in the league. Our O and D lines are both sub-par. Strev is one of the worst 2nd string QB's in the league.

We need major changes, and it's best to start with NFL rejects as soon as possible. Bring in guys to replace the players we know we have to replace in the off season and give them some reps this year.

[markf]

" think if you gave Hogan the 2019 O-line (Bryant and Neufeld 6 years younger, Desjarlais at Guard, Jamarcus at RT, can't believe how good that line was), and threw in one of a healthy Schoen or Lawler, this offence would be hugely successful. "

Calgarys decline coincided with losing Stan, our ascent began with getting him.

The team built a top level o line, lost some players, replaced them Successfully for a few years, but we've finally run out of steam.

It's Hard to find a Receiver and throw a pass,  when there's a couple of d lineman jumping on you one and a half seconds after the snap. repeatedly.

It's Easy to blame Hogan, but I'm Not sure there's any "scheme" that can make up for second rate players on the O line.


Our Defense is not exciting, but it is effective.

[Pete]

We have a bad receiving core. One of the worst in the league. Our O and D lines are both sub-par. Strev is one of the worst 2nd string QB's in the league.

We need major changes, and it's best to start    NFL rejects as soon as possible. Bring in guys to replace the players we know we have to replace in the off season and give them some reps this year.

Our receiving core of Demski, Wilson,and Wheatfield is decent
Clercius is showing improvement.
What we are missing is in the mix.and coaching.
We dont seem to have that reciever that can make A 50/50 ball seem like 70/30
Also that speedy, elusive reciever ala Pimpleton, Philpot, or Snead.
Wilson, Wheatfield, Mitchell and to some extent Demski are all similar in their styles.All have decent hands and dont seem to have much ability to adjust to when Zacs in trouble.


 The other factor whether its oline collapsing, oc, our receivers very seldom do our receivers come back for the ball We constantly see that against teams we play the reciever fakes long then comes back to the qb, its very difficult to stop
Finally our routes appear to be very predictable based on how many get jumped Do we have a receivers coach cause it shows in lack of execution in blocks and how they protect the ball from the db
 

[3rdand1.5]

I think the design and scheme has alot to do with our difficulties. It appears our routes are not well designed for what we have...many many instances this season we have made very questionable calls on offence, situationally poor in my opinion type calls, It's not that all of our playcalls are bad, but we don't seem to understand the situation, the time management, the personelle correctly. I am not excusing some execution and some talent just not being good enough, but I believe the scheme we are trying to run and when we try certain plays are more of a factor.....I really do believe that both the LDC and the Banjo Bowl, could have been won if we only had a couple better calls/schemes, timing of "trying/taking a shot".....So in summery I do not think our offence is good enough that is obvious, and the stats back it up...but I say the biggest factor is the play calls, schemes and situational/game clock awareness....not the on field talent

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

We have a bad receiving core. One of the worst in the league. Our O and D lines are both sub-par. Strev is one of the worst 2nd string QB's in the league.

We need major changes, and it's best to start with NFL rejects as soon as possible. Bring in guys to replace the players we know we have to replace in the off season and give them some reps this year.

Have to give the Riders credit, despite their success this season they're being proactive by continuing to bring in a NFL cuts and evaluating them.  Bombers have a mostly new scouting staff this year, but so far haven't seen any evidence they're doing anything.

[BBRT]

Have to give the Riders credit, despite their success this season they're being proactive by continuing to bring in a NFL cuts and evaluating them.  Bombers have a mostly new scouting staff this year, but so far haven't seen any evidence they're doing anything.

We have a scouting staff?? Could have fooled me! Who did they recruit that stands out???

[bunker]

We have had very poor results from scouting new American talent over the past couple of years. No impact D lineman, no impact linebackers, having to make do with Bridges and Lawson at corner. Our assessment of Logan and Mitchell were pretty poor also. Wilson and Wheatfall were nice finds at receiver, and Vaval may end up being a good returner.

Danny McManus is not new, he's been around a long time. Maybe too long, its possible he's lost his edge. Not sure how the other 3 scouts are doing, they are all new, but have alot of experience. Probably not fair to blame the new group for the last few off seasons.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

We have had very poor results from scouting new American talent over the past couple of years. No impact D lineman, no impact linebackers, having to make do with Bridges and Lawson at corner. Our assessment of Logan and Mitchell were pretty poor also. Wilson and Wheatfall were nice finds at receiver, and Vaval may end up being a good returner.

Danny McManus is not new, he's been around a long time. Maybe too long, its possible he's lost his edge. Not sure how the other 3 scouts are doing, they are all new, but have alot of experience. Probably not fair to blame the new group for the last few off seasons.

Looking in the rear-view mirror at past scouting results does no good, have to judge the new scouts on what they're producing right now.  Results please!

[bunker]

Looking in the rear-view mirror at past scouting results does no good, have to judge the new scouts on what they're producing right now.  Results please!

My only concern is that Walter's ultimately is responsible for our results, and they have been poor, not only American scouting, but I'm not impressed with our drafting either. It's been ok, but hardly lights out.

[Cool Spot]

I am no expert on what's causing the woes of the Bombers this year, at least on offense, but I think the Offensive Line has a lot to do with it. I suspect much of Collaros's interceptions are due to him forcing the ball due to a lack of protection (i.e., it breaks down), though of course Zach throws a lot of interceptions.

But the Bomber run game is also not as effective as it has been previously. That's also due to the Offensive Line.

I'm not saying fixing the OL fixes everything, but it really helps in the same way that when it comes to personal fitness, strengthening your core muscles provides a firm foundation for so much more.

[dd]

We simply have not been playing good football. Our biggest issue has been TURNOVERS!!! Quit turning the stinking ball over and giving the other team 10+ easy points a game and the bulk of our turnovers have been the result of poor passing. Make better decisions and throws with the ball. Throwing the ball away is not the end of the world. Starting the game off with a pick six is.

[TecnoGenius]

I'm not happy with our offensive production, and I think Hogan has to wear some share of the blame, but I'm not convinced the major problem is a "garbage scheme".

I think if you gave Hogan the 2019 O-line (Bryant and Neufeld 6 years younger, Desjarlais at Guard, Jamarcus at RT, can't believe how good that line was), and threw in one of a healthy Schoen or Lawler, this offence would be hugely successful.

The '19-'21 OL would have helped ZERO on the Strev/Demski curl INT.  That was scheme.  That pass was doomed to INT or huge blowup because everyone knows that's what we do, and we won't do anything more complicated than that.

Also would have helped ZERO on the Wheatie screen INT.

My main beef with Hogan isn't that he's mentally defective, or even a bad play caller: it's that he doesn't do anything creative.  He uses less motion than Lapo/Buck did.  Less deception.  Less "moves".  In fact, I bet all that stuff is just leftovers from Buck, and it'll slowly die away just like Buck did to all the Lapo stuff.

I used that short curl as an example, where I think EDM did a stem/double move on the exact same play and thus their REC was wide open for a dirt easy 4Y pass which is WHAT THEY SHOULD BE.  Hogan had Demski run 4Y up and just plant & turn and thus was INT.

And we've been doing this EXACT SAME PLAY since at least '22 when we started losing cups because we couldn't complete a short pass.  They are all either batdowns, hit-drops, or INTs.

Just once why can't our 4Y route include a fake to the outside OR SOMETHING, ANYTHING, so that our guys have a chance.  This is why Demski's face looked the way it did.  Not because he failed, but because he's being SET UP to fail.  And that is the greatest depression of all.  And if we don't stop it, everyone will "quit" (believing) and it's over, both now on-field, and in FA26.

And this is all on Hogan (and partially MOS).

[TecnoGenius]

It's Easy to blame Hogan, but I'm Not sure there's any "scheme" that can make up for second rate players on the O line.

But scheme led directly to the 2 INTs in the last game.  They were doomed before the ball was even thrown.

I think our problem is 40% OL, 50% scheme, 10% QB (even Zach, more when Strev is in).

If the OL doesn't give Zach his 2.7s a QB needs to be effective (minus big blitzes) then the problem is OL.  Our OL often fails miserably, but other times can hold them back long enough for any real double-move routes to develop.  If nothing has developed after 3s then that's 100% scheme.  (Again, I think our RECs are fast enough and vet enough to run good routes.)

Getting even a 25% improvement in JUST ONE of these areas can make a big difference.  That is what we must hope for.  If OL can improve a bit, and scheme improve a lot, we can win bigly (very doable).  If scheme improves a bit and OL improves a lot (unlikely), we'll also win bigly.  If everyone improves by 25-50% then we'll win the cup.