OC questions

Started by theaardvark, September 14, 2025, 05:33:13 PM

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theaardvark

We have JJ on staff, brought in after Hogan was named, and you have to think that hire as QB coach had to be made with the idea a veteran ex-OC would be essential in assisting Hogan.

IF, as some here conjecture, that MOS is not happy with Hogan, how hard is it to flip the positions or JJ and Hogan?

Is it that time yet?
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Blueforlife

No, gotta give Hogan more time imo but has been a few bumps to be sure

Blue In BC

I think lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball is the limiting factor. Hogan is also an issue but we aren't going change at this point in the season. Whether we make a change during the off season is a TBD.

Jackson did have more success previously so I wouldn't rule him out though.
One game at a time.

Throw Long Bannatyne

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Quote from: Blue In BC on September 14, 2025, 06:25:16 PMI think lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball is the limiting factor. Hogan is also an issue but we aren't going change at this point in the season. Whether we make a change during the off season is a TBD.

Jackson did have more success previously so I wouldn't rule him out though.

Hard to say if Jackson was a success in Edmonton, he did ok working with MBT but didn't seem to get a lot out of Ford.  He was also there as OC under Chris Jones for a number of years prior and did little to elevate the offence or QB play, I think he's more of a get along, go along guy, don't rock the boat kinda guy than he is a game changer.

Blue In BC

Quote from: Throw Long Bannatyne on September 14, 2025, 08:16:46 PMHard to say if Jackson was a success in Edmonton, he did ok working with MBT but didn't seem to get a lot out of Ford.  He was also there under Chris Jones for a number of years prior and did little to elevate the QB play, I think he's more of a "get along and go along guy" than he is a game changer.

Say what you want but the Elks scored 504 points and were the highest in the west division. Only the Argos scored more with 514. The Elks were always behind so they did score a lot of points in garbage time. Regardless, they score them.

Compared to Hogan where we aren't scoring enough. We're last or close to last for teams having played 13 games.

Pick your poison.
One game at a time.

The Zipp

pretty hard to make any sort of accurate suggestions on roles without knowing what their roles actually are / maybe we are seeing a JJ offense already??

play calling hasn't been great, the execution hasn't been great, we are still having long stretches of ineptitude during games and players missing assignments. 

we are well past halfway so newness is less of a factor.

protect Zach needs to be the number one thing as like it or not: no Zach = no wins

unfortunately i don't think there is a "fix the offense" button that can be pushed for instant results. 

Waffler

Quote from: The Zipp on September 14, 2025, 11:39:17 PMpretty hard to make any sort of accurate suggestions on roles without knowing what their roles actually are / maybe we are seeing a JJ offense already??

play calling hasn't been great, the execution hasn't been great, we are still having long stretches of ineptitude during games and players missing assignments. 

we are well past halfway so newness is less of a factor.

protect Zach needs to be the number one thing as like it or not: no Zach = no wins

unfortunately i don't think there is a "fix the offense" button that can be pushed for instant results. 
Except that Hogan is in the booth and we see that Jackson is on the sideline not calling plays.

Which brings to mind something I forgot to mention earlier. Not once did I see Strev use an Ipad or talk to a coach or even to Zach. I did see him talk to himself. Why?  At the very least after a pic or busted play everyone wants to see what happened and discuss.
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OShea just wouldn't do
it,
A) hed have to admit he made a mistake
B) his loyalty to everyone around him despite what is needed prevents it you just have to look at our roster for vets that are past prime

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Quote from: theaardvark on September 14, 2025, 05:33:13 PMWe have JJ on staff, brought in after Hogan was named, and you have to think that hire as QB coach had to be made with the idea a veteran ex-OC would be essential in assisting Hogan.

IF, as some here conjecture, that MOS is not happy with Hogan, how hard is it to flip the positions or JJ and Hogan?

Is it that time yet?
Yes, it is time.

Our play calling is predictable and defenses are jumping routes before our recievers made their cuts and our pass pro if horrible. The change should have been made weeks ago, but I am sure MOS is letting Hogan work himself out of this, which he isn't capable of doing. Our offense is painful to watch, especially the points given up after turnovers, we have to lead the league in that category. Tough to win games when A) offense doesn't score enough and B) turns the ball over giving the opponent easy points on the board. Time to change things up.