Chris Streveler Good enough make a team but not good enough to start

[Blueforlife]

Every game is the same. It doesn't matter what the calls are. Streveler is going to make the wrong read and throw picks. He's always done it. Always will do it. You can call plays from the back of a Boston Pizza kids menu or Andy Reid's secret pages and he'll still throw it into triple coverage while displaying "grit".

Hard to argue there.  What if you called plays from Pizza Hut buffet lol.
Like Lapo says not seeing the pictures.

[Jesse]

His stats a few weeks ago at Short yardage were as good as Wilson's and has a success rate near the 90s, which likely has improved.  The numbers indicate he is not terrible but good at this role.  Not best anymore but still good.

Strev is good to make half the CFL teams imo, due to experience and cheap price tag
Value is decling though
Tough to see him struggle so much, Zach out and no Terry time.  I would have sprinkled him in and played him at the end. 

A bad situation that got worse today.

It's hard to be bad at getting one yard when the defense stands one yard away. That argument is a red herring.

Terry Wilson gets more yards. Multiple times more yards. Strev no longer has the speed and power.

[Jesse]

The point is, they shouldn't have been doing that at all!  It was tempo with no subs!

Are you guys forgetting HAM took a too many men penalty on that play?

They tried to sub when it was impossible.  ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUB.  ONLY BECAUSE STREV WAS THE STARTER AND SY.

The only flaw in your argument is that we could run a hurry-up without Strev.

And should.

[Blueforlife]

It's hard to be bad at getting one yard when the defense stands one yard away. That argument is a red herring.

Terry Wilson gets more yards. Multiple times more yards. Strev no longer has the speed and power.

The success rate of both is similar.  My argument was true last time and still is.  Last time you tried to says I made up the stats, now I'm fishing for red herring lol.

I like em both at SY.  Both good at it.  Wilson can sometimes get more yards.  Would have to see their averages to know for sure overall.  I bet they similar on SY (average yard gained) but not sure.  I would have had Wilson in on SY and a few packages today.  Disappointed I didn't see that.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

There are very few quarterbacks who are bad at short yardage. Even all five foot nine of Kevin Glenn could usually pick them up.

[TecnoGenius]

The only flaw in your argument is that we could run a hurry-up without Strev.

And should.

Not 3rd & 1 we ain't running tempo for a Zach sneak!  I think we've done that once in forever?

You really want to cover your eyes and see what happens to Zach's noggin on a stupid sneak play??

Remember BLM being out 3 months with a broken ankle on a useless play like that in HAM?

Now... in a non-SY situation, sure of course, Zach can do it.

[Jesse]

The success rate of both is similar.  My argument was true last time and still is.  Last time you tried to says I made up the stats, now I'm fishing for red herring lol.

I like em both at SY.  Both good at it.  Wilson can sometimes get more yards.  Would have to see their averages to know for sure overall.  I bet they similar on SY (average yard gained) but not sure.  I would have had Wilson in on SY and a few packages today.  Disappointed I didn't see that.

The same stats are true now as they were then. Strev averages 1.1 yards and has multiple failures. Terry averages 3.2 yards with a single fail and multiple break aways.

It's very clear.

[theaardvark]

The point is, they shouldn't have been doing that at all!  It was tempo with no subs!

Are you guys forgetting HAM took a too many men penalty on that play?

They tried to sub when it was impossible.  ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUB.  ONLY BECAUSE STREV WAS THE STARTER AND SY.

Your observation is correct.  It WAS because Streveler was starting but also the SY QB.  And yes, it would not have happened if Zach was the starter.

If Wilson was the starter (and SY QB), would HE have made that same completion?

Pretty sure he would have.

It was not because of Streveler's special skills, it was situational, and would have been an identical situation had Wilson been starting.

[Jesse]

Not 3rd & 1 we ain't running tempo for a Zach sneak!  I think we've done that once in forever?

You really want to cover your eyes and see what happens to Zach's noggin on a stupid sneak play??

Remember BLM being out 3 months with a broken ankle on a useless play like that in HAM?

Now... in a non-SY situation, sure of course, Zach can do it.

I absolutely hate the short yardage package. I think it is ruining the game. It's a long conversation if you ever care to have it.

But in a specific situation where it would be beneficial to run a hurry-up, absolutely Zach should keep a good drive going.

[Jesse]

Your observation is correct.  It WAS because Streveler was starting but also the SY QB.  And yes, it would not have happened if Zach was the starter.

If Wilson was the starter (and SY QB), would HE have made that same completion?

Pretty sure he would have.

It was not because of Streveler's special skills, it was situational, and would have been an identical situation had Wilson been starting.

Not in practice.

[TecnoGenius]

If Wilson was the starter (and SY QB), would HE have made that same completion?

Pretty sure he would have.

It was not because of Streveler's special skills, it was situational, and would have been an identical situation had Wilson been starting.

100% yes.  It wasn't due to Strev per se, it was due to the SY-QB-is-starter situation.  I was only combating the notion that Strev had "nothing to do with that play".

[TecnoGenius]

I absolutely hate the short yardage package. I think it is ruining the game. It's a long conversation if you ever care to have it.

Start a thread then, as that's a major conversation.  Have you forgot Dunigan's main booth talking point that "there's a whole lot of nasty going on at the bottom of that pile"?  It's no place for a frail always-concussed 40yo like Zach.  With MLBs flying over the top going for head shots and low guys trying to twist legs & ankles.

Yes, if you have a young buck QB like Rourke you can do it (and many teams do).  Teams with older/weaker guys don't/can't.  Who was it using Cody as his own SY (MTL?) sometimes?  Ya, many people were saying "that's just stupid".

The CFL is such that the sneak is a critical component and should have a specialist.  Because so many teams are like MOS and know you just need 9 in 2 downs, not 10.  The last 1 is a free bingo spot.  Or, at least it should be.

We've run it this way since the days of Marve.  And our SY guy has always been nearly-perfect money.  (Feve being my fave.)

[Jesse]

100% yes.  It wasn't due to Strev per se, it was due to the SY-QB-is-starter situation.  I was only combating the notion that Strev had "nothing to do with that play".

He completed the pass. Did what he needed to do. Can't take that aspect away from him at all.

That said, it was a clear and easy mistake by the other team and you can't depend on that happening enough per game if that's the only way you can score.

[TecnoGenius]

He completed the pass. Did what he needed to do. Can't take that aspect away from him at all.

That said, it was a clear and easy mistake by the other team and you can't depend on that happening enough per game if that's the only way you can score.

No argument here.  Not many teams will make the mistake HAM did.  But their mistake was trying to sub on tempo, NOT leaving Wheatie wide open.  The sub was the direct cause of the coverage mistake.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Strev. hasn't progressed since he came back from the NFL, the team should have deduced this before he was injured last year and made alternative plans by the end of the season.  Now O'Shea is sticking with him out of spite, hoping he somehow begins to make plays he's clearly not capable of making.  At this point, what's the point?