Chris Streveler Good enough make a team but not good enough to start

[Austin85]

Yeah totally agree plus Collaros is done as well, we need to develop one or trade for on, or free a agency signing. Plus our coach should of given Wilson a shot as after the second interception. I do I not know what he was seeing but it was head shaking moments x2..

[BBFANDM]

If Terry Wilson isn't good enough to beat Strevler out of QB2 competition, why would we not keep Paterson? We've had lots of options and all the time to sort this QB room out and this is the best we got?

I get it. Everyone loves this guy and he would run through a brick wall for Winnipeg. I'd love for him to retire at the end of this season so we can still see him as a Winnipeg legend, and just pretend that this season never happened!

Yes the longer he plays he more the Legend is tarnished.

[Austin85]

I'd take Dustin Crum for a QB he is young and learning the Canadian game fast. In fact with Dru Brown's injury history they may keep Crum!

[BBFANDM]

I'd take Dustin Crum for a QB he is young and learning the Canadian game fast. In fact with Dru Brown's injury history they may keep Crum!

I agree but I don't think they would give up Crum, I think that Ford is the most likely to be traded

[theaardvark]

Streveler had 2 picks in the first half, and it could easily been 3.  He cannot read a defense.

His constant needing to take the ball himself, either a bad handoff, or no reads, or even the planned runs, he just is not effective as a passer, and barely passable handing the ball off.

Yes, he made the team on his name, his NFL time, and his past contributions.

But I have no idea how he's kept his job.  2-0 as a starter was badly exposed today. 

I have no issue him taking up a roster spot, and being used in spot duty, special packages, especially short yardage fakes. The TD he scored to Wilson had zero to do with him, 100% a missed assignment by Hamilton and Wilson actually waving at Streveler.  When your only points come off a blown D player change, that's not good.

Not only were the picks horrible throws and missed reads, they were horrible field position.  And Hamilton scored off both of them.  Terrible.

The third INT that was dropped by HAM, he tried to thread a needle when there was zero chance of doing so.  TWO HAM defenders closed the gap, both were in far better position to catch the ball than the crossing receiver.  Complete and total misread that you might accept from a high school QB (and I mean a Canadian HS, not a US HS). Sorry, I may be saying brutal things, but they need to be said again and again until we make a change.

Zach/Wilson/Streveler should be the DC next game, and if Zach can't go, give Wilson the start, and give Wilson 100% of the starters snaps this week in practice.  He needs to be ready.

Streveler is a sparkplug, for sure, but he's just not a starter, never has been.

Much as everyone "loves his attitude", I think its starting to hurt us.  Feeling invulnerable is making him a liability, he needs to get out of his own way.

[TecnoGenius]

Both of Strev's picks were DCs and Ds specifically picking on our tendencies and complete inability of Hogan to double-bluff them.  Zach threw these same picks!  So don't just pin it on Strev.

We often blamed Zach's slow-wind and no-zip for these short picks.  But Strev doesn't have a slow-wind (he basically doesn't do any winding), and doesn't have the no-zip problem (Strev puts plenty of heat on and his arm isn't 40yo like Zach's).

So if the result is the same, then the problem isn't the QB, it's the O plan and preparation and calling.

There is no world in which those DBs should have been cheating up on those short routes THAT MUCH.  They don't even wait for the eyes or the wind-up.  They are just jumping that route no matter what.

SO WHAT MENTAL GIANT DOESN'T PLAN AGAINST THE CHEATING BY FAKING THE CURL AND GOING TO THE POST?  The pass doesn't even have to be that deep.  Just drop it 10Y behind the cheating-up DB and it's 70Y of free YAC.  Especially when we've successfully taken out the FS somehow.

Holy heck, I think we did a lot of that with even Nichols way back when.  Fake short, go long one-on-one.

There is so much chess we can play, at least until the teams get film to see we're not mentally challenged anymore.  But we just sit there and do curls that haven't worked for us since '23.

I don't mind the losing: it's the complete lack of applying our brains that is so aggravating.

[TecnoGenius]

The TD he scored to Wilson had zero to do with him, 100% a missed assignment by Hamilton and Wilson actually waving at Streveler.

I explained in the GDT, and I stand by it.  That 3rd & 1 TD *only* happens because Strev was the starting QB.  With Zach in that can't happen.  It only happens because HAM can't sub in tempo.  If we did a normal Zach->SY sub then HAM has normal time and normal personnel and they have that guy covered.

[dd]

I would like to see the chart on the depth of Strevelers passes tonight. I bet 90% are 10 yds or less, so ya, why not cheat up and press/jump the ball, the dude isn't going to throw it deep from his standard drop . When he rolls out to buy time, ya he might throw it deep or run, but standard drop, everything is under 10 yards, so play press/jump and make him beat you deep.

[theaardvark]

Both of Strev's picks were DCs and Ds specifically picking on our tendencies and complete inability of Hogan to double-bluff them.  Zach threw these same picks!  So don't just pin it on Strev.

We often blamed Zach's slow-wind and no-zip for these short picks.  But Strev doesn't have a slow-wind (he basically doesn't do any winding), and doesn't have the no-zip problem (Strev puts plenty of heat on and his arm isn't 40yo like Zach's).

So if the result is the same, then the problem isn't the QB, it's the O plan and preparation and calling.

There is no world in which those DBs should have been cheating up on those short routes THAT MUCH.  They don't even wait for the eyes or the wind-up.  They are just jumping that route no matter what.

SO WHAT MENTAL GIANT DOESN'T PLAN AGAINST THE CHEATING BY FAKING THE CURL AND GOING TO THE POST?  The pass doesn't even have to be that deep.  Just drop it 10Y behind the cheating-up DB and it's 70Y of free YAC.  Especially when we've successfully taken out the FS somehow.

Holy heck, I think we did a lot of that with even Nichols way back when.  Fake short, go long one-on-one.

There is so much chess we can play, at least until the teams get film to see we're not mentally challenged anymore.  But we just sit there and do curls that haven't worked for us since '23.

I don't mind the losing: it's the complete lack of applying our brains that is so aggravating.

How do you know that those weren't the calls, and Strev just threw it anyway because he thought he could?

We have no idea what plays are called, and what progression of reads were to be made. 

We do know that Streveler seems to fixate on first read and tries to force things in, and makes the wrong read far, far, far too much.

[dd]

I explained in the GDT, and I stand by it.  That 3rd & 1 TD *only* happens because Strev was the starting QB.  With Zach in that can't happen.  It only happens because HAM can't sub in tempo.  If we did a normal Zach->SY sub then HAM has normal time and normal personnel and they have that guy covered.

Hamilton subbed off their normal coverage DB's for some big boys to stop the short yardage run and nobody bumped out. It was more of a brain fart by the defense and a bigger brain fart by their DC to not call a TO when he saw the alignment miscue. That was JV high school football at its finest!!

[Blueforlife]

I think he's terrible in that role.

He shouldn't be doing it.

His stats a few weeks ago at Short yardage were as good as Wilson's and has a success rate near the 90s, which likely has improved.  The numbers indicate he is not terrible but good at this role.  Not best anymore but still good.

Strev is good to make half the CFL teams imo, due to experience and cheap price tag
Value is decling though
Tough to see him struggle so much, Zach out and no Terry time.  I would have sprinkled him in and played him at the end. 

A bad situation that got worse today.

[TecnoGenius]

How do you know that those weren't the calls, and Strev just threw it anyway because he thought he could?

You are correct, those INTs could have been 3-5th reads and Strev just wanted to force them anyhow.

However, Zach has made the exact same reads, and exact same INTs.  I think teams film studied Hogan enough to know what he wants for those down & distances.

But we don't have to give Strev those options.  He can be told that curl is clearing-only and it's not a viable read.  He can be given juicier reads elsewhere, where he's told those are #1 & #2 reads.

If those INTs were double-moves and go routes with the DB caught cheating short, then it wouldn't have mattered because Strev couldn't have thrown those short INTs -- there would be no Bomber there to throw to.

We have a severe lack of thinking-2-moves-ahead in WFC right now.  Some doorknobs still think we'll just win playing straight book and out-execute everyone.  And we can't out-execute our way out of a paper bag.

Time to put the thinking cap on and get rid of the "we'll win playing vanilla ball" mindset.

[TecnoGenius]

Hamilton subbed off their normal coverage DB's for some big boys to stop the short yardage run and nobody bumped out.

The point is, they shouldn't have been doing that at all!  It was tempo with no subs!

Are you guys forgetting HAM took a too many men penalty on that play?

They tried to sub when it was impossible.  ONLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SUB.  ONLY BECAUSE STREV WAS THE STARTER AND SY.

[Blueforlife]

You are correct, those INTs could have been 3-5th reads and Strev just wanted to force them anyhow.

However, Zach has made the exact same reads, and exact same INTs.  I think teams film studied Hogan enough to know what he wants for those down & distances.

But we don't have to give Strev those options.  He can be told that curl is clearing-only and it's not a viable read.  He can be given juicier reads elsewhere, where he's told those are #1 & #2 reads.

If those INTs were double-moves and go routes with the DB caught cheating short, then it wouldn't have mattered because Strev couldn't have thrown those short INTs -- there would be no Bomber there to throw to.

We have a severe lack of thinking-2-moves-ahead in WFC right now.  Some doorknobs still think we'll just win playing straight book and out-execute everyone.  And we can't out-execute our way out of a paper bag.

Time to put the thinking cap on and get rid of the "we'll win playing vanilla ball" mindset.

I seen similaries in our struggles at QB.

Both throwing the ball well at times but also getting too focused on making plays when not there, throwing into thick coverage or too tight of windows.  Both QBs are good because of confidence but been on the wrong side of that for a bit and the ints are adding up.  The play calling is a factor.

Biggest problem with Strev is his can't throw deep and his mid ball is a 25% chance.

[Sir Blue and Gold]

Every game is the same. It doesn't matter what the calls are. Streveler is going to make the wrong read and throw picks. He's always done it. Always will do it. You can call plays from the back of a Boston Pizza kids menu or Andy Reid's secret pages and he'll still throw it into triple coverage while displaying "grit".