Chris Streveler Good enough make a team but not good enough to start

[theaardvark]

Cutting Wilson is as bad an idea as I have seen on here. 

No one wants Wilson cut.  The opposite.  We want to see what the team has seen in him, keeping him around.

Dru got into games with less time on the team.

CS17 had 7 pass attempts and 11 runs.  I bet Hogan called maybe 3 or 4 runs for CS17.  The rest were him failing to find a target, and running.  Other than the one run for 36 that got half his yards, he mostly was held to minimal gains or even losses.  So, more than half the called pass plays ended up in not being thrown, so in reality, he wasn't 2-7 in passing, but more like 2-14 if you lump the incompletes with the pull down and runs.

This is NOT a recipe for success, and a confirmation of every concern every fan has had about CS17.  He can't read a defence, and when he does throw, its often a pick. (when was the last time a BACKUP had the 3rd most picks in the league? (behind Arbuckle who had one really bad game, and Collaros)).

Can Wilson read a defense?  Can he throw an accurate ball at game speed?  We know he can do SY, what else can he do?

He needs every snap this week in practice, and if Zach can't go, the start.

If they start CS17 at home and his first drop back is a pick becasue he's so worried about failing and is "squeezing the stick", it will crush him completely, because even his most adoring fans are going to boooo him.  And if they trot him back out there with shattered confidence, nothing good will happen.

Starting Wilson, of going to him if Zach starts but does not finish, makes so much more sense than risking the game and CS17.

[blue_gold_84]

Starting Wilson, of going to him if Zach starts but does not finish, makes so much more sense than risking the game and CS17.

It really doesn't. Wilson has shown absolutely nothing so far outside of being a strong SY guy.

[Blue In BC]

I don't think we really know how the team has evaluated Wilson over Artopoeus. Wilson has been year a year long so they should have a better idea about him but he's also a potential free agent.

Streveler is a potential free agent after the season.

We might be getting Elgersma coming to the CFL in 2026.

So we may be seeing several changes to the depth at QB. For that matter are we certain Collaros can or should be back in 2026? If he isn't practising this week and starting, that might be our answer right there.

I might be interested in seeing if Ottawa is interested in trading Crum? Essentially Ottawa is all but eliminated from the play offs at this point. At worst Crum would be a better # 2 QB that we believe we have today.

[theaardvark]

It really doesn't. Wilson has shown absolutely nothing so far outside of being a strong SY guy.

Exactly my point.

Schoedingers QB.  Until we observe him play, we have no idea if he is good or bad.

We need to see him in game, with practice reps.  Not just thrown in late in a GC cold off the bench with no practice reps.

[theaardvark]

I don't think we really know how the team has evaluated Wilson over Artopoeus. Wilson has been year a year long so they should have a better idea about him but he's also a potential free agent.

Streveler is a potential free agent after the season.

We might be getting Elgersma coming to the CFL in 2026.

So we may be seeing several changes to the depth at QB. For that matter are we certain Collaros can or should be back in 2026? If he isn't practising this week and starting, that might be our answer right there.

I might be interested in seeing if Ottawa is interested in trading Crum? Essentially Ottawa is all but eliminated from the play offs at this point. At worst Crum would be a better # 2 QB that we believe we have today.

CS17 is a great team mate, and very good at SY and trick plays.  He can be on my team as SY/QB3 as long as he wants (with appropriate pay).  Or if he wants to Sinopoli, there's a future for him in that.

There are many opportunities/options out there, for sure. If Wilson gets a game and sucks, and Crum is available through trade, sure.  But as long as Wilson is unknown, I don't think they do that.

[blue_gold_84]

Exactly my point.

Schoedingers QB.  Until we observe him play, we have no idea if he is good or bad.

We need to see him in game, with practice reps.  Not just thrown in late in a GC cold off the bench with no practice reps.

I don't think any self-respecting HC is going to play that game, so your point misses the mark.

What ifs and assumptions aren't a practical way to operate.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

It really doesn't. Wilson has shown absolutely nothing so far outside of being a strong SY guy.

He played a series or two in the GC and no other time, is that a fair evaluation?  As much as MOS benefits  players he favours, there is a list of players he never let step into the ring, maybe he has his reasons but they're hard to comprehend.

[blue_gold_84]

He played a series or two in the GC and no other time, is that a fair evaluation?

I would say probably not. But I'm not a CFL coach whose job it is to evaluate players with a fine toothcomb.

[theaardvark]

I don't think any self-respecting HC is going to play that game, so your point misses the mark.

What ifs and assumptions aren't a practical way to operate.

Would a self respecting coach with a player that lost a game with multiple picks, and then followed it up with a game where he went 2-7 and bailed out of more passing plays than he threw reward that player with another game?  Most coaches give that player a ride on the pines, or an apple and a roadmap.  MOS reflects pensively on 2019.  There are times for loyalty, and there are times when you need to do what's best to win.

MOS definitely gets kudos for loyalty, and NO player would ever say anything negative, but I would bet there are a lot more than a few that wold prefer some sort of change.

[TBURGESS]

The backup QB is the most popular guy on the team. Wilson is that guy now. 

[blue_gold_84]

Would a self respecting coach with a player that lost a game with multiple picks, and then followed it up with a game where he went 2-7 and bailed out of more passing plays than he threw reward that player with another game?  Most coaches give that player a ride on the pines, or an apple and a roadmap.  MOS reflects pensively on 2019.  There are times for loyalty, and there are times when you need to do what's best to win.

MOS definitely gets kudos for loyalty, and NO player would ever say anything negative, but I would bet there are a lot more than a few that wold prefer some sort of change.

Why don't you ask O'Shea that question? You seem to think you know better he does, which is a tired schtick.

And bet away. You're just speculating based on nothing more than your feelings.

The backup QB is the most popular guy on the team. Wilson is that guy now.

A tale as old as time. And a lame tale, to be sure.

[theaardvark]

Why don't you ask O'Shea that question? You seem to think you know better he does, which is a tired schtick.

And bet away. You're just speculating based on nothing more than your feelings.

We know O'Shea's answer, and while I never would profess to know a thimble of what he knows, I do know my viewpoints are outside the sphere of influence his penchant for loyalty to a fault creates.

It feels to me that he'd rather lose and be loyal that take a chance and maybe win by trying to change things up.

[dd]

The only way Streveler gets into the game, is if Zach is hurt. And the only way Wilson gets into the game is if Steveler is hurt. If Wilson had been lighting it up in practice, coaches would have taken notice and he may have worked his way into an opportunity. But he hasn't, reports are that he's an interception machine in practice (previous post on here by another poster). Given that, No way no how does MOS pull Streveler in favour of Wilson. 

[TecnoGenius]

It feels to me that he'd rather lose and be loyal that take a chance and maybe win by trying to change things up.

But Strev's winning.  Where does this "lose" come from?  3-1.  Fact.  Seems to me that MOS and Strev are "winning".

Now, you can say "but he'll lose in the future", and you can argue that, it's valid and possible.  But you don't know that right now.  So you can't say "lose".

[TecnoGenius]

Would a self respecting coach with a player that lost a game with multiple picks, and then followed it up with a game where he went 2-7

Zero coaches will bench their experienced vet backup who is sitting 3-1 on the season.  Least of all for a QB with zero starts.  This isn't just MOS -- no other coach has ever done it either!

How many game streaks and seasons did Dickenson The Greater trot out hapless Maier for tons of games in a row where Maier was way under .500?  I bet almost every season Maier was their starter.  When did Dickenson finally bench Maier without injury and try out "the new kid"?  IIRC it was almost never and very late in Maier's "reign".  What was the result?  I don't think they won any more than with Maier.

Add in the MOS "loyalty" you say is a big part of the decision, and ya, Strev is starting every game Zach is out.  The only exception would be a 2019-like postseason... IF we can find the next Zach in trade...