Chad Kelly

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Even if he could change his position it's unlikely he gets the same money as a QB, even a back up Qb. It wouldn't be a surprise if he's released during the off season. A trade seems unlikely at his current salary. I suppose it could be conditional trade with him re-signing a new deal etc.

I think they would have to trade Ford to avoid paying the guaranteed money in his contract, I believe the Elks were burned when they cut Cornelius who was guaranteed $100k for the 2024 season.

Speaking of Cornelius, both him and Ford have plenty of tools in their toolboxes, no reason a great QB coach couldn't make either of them into viable QB's if they bought into the changes they need to make and invested the time to do so.  VA took forever to get to the point he is now, maybe Ford has to kick around the league for 4 or 5 years to find the same path.

[Blue In BC]

I think they would have to trade Ford to avoid paying the guaranteed money in his contract, I believe the Elks were burned when they cut Cornelius who was guaranteed $100k for the 2024 season.

Speaking of Cornelius, both him and Ford have plenty of tools in their toolboxes, no reason a great QB coach couldn't make either of them into viable QB's if they bought into the changes they need to make and invested the time to do so.  VA took forever to get to the point he is now, maybe Ford has to kick around the league for 4 or 5 years to find the same path.

If he gets traded his contract goes with him including guaranteed money. Unless it's a conditional trade which provides the condition of that new contract.

At the moment he's not a trade commodity all things considered.

[dd]

If he gets traded his contract goes with him including guaranteed money. Unless it's a conditional trade which provides the condition of that new contract.

At the moment he's not a trade commodity all things considered.

Exactly, who in their right mind would have this project as their future Qb?? Edmonton gambled and lost big time, doubt there will be anyother takers.

[Throw Long Bannatyne]

Exactly, who in their right mind would have this project as their future Qb?? Edmonton gambled and lost big time, doubt there will be anyother takers.

I think there are 4 teams that could make Ford productive if they had adequate time to work with him as a backup, Argos, Als, Stamps and the Ti-Cats.  Not surprisingly all 4 are coached by former QB's.

[TecnoGenius]

Speaking of Cornelius, both him and Ford have plenty of tools in their toolboxes, no reason a great QB coach couldn't make either of them into viable QB's if they bought into the changes they need to make and invested the time to do so.  VA took forever to get to the point he is now, maybe Ford has to kick around the league for 4 or 5 years to find the same path.

That's the issue.  The path VAJ took may not be available to many/any QBs going forward.  CFL teams don't have that kind of patience anymore.  1 QB spot is your starter/star.  1 is dedicated SY.  That leaves only 1 spot for you to find the next Dru Brown.  You can't waste 5 years having that be Ford on your roster.

And the problem with Ford vs VAJ, is VAJ had some early games where he flashed.  Ford really hasn't, especially when you back out wins that were basically all due to his running.  VAJ showed he could get it down the field from day 1.

And no one is going to help EDM get rid of their punishing 2-Fords contract situation.

[Jesse]

That's the issue.  The path VAJ took may not be available to many/any QBs going forward.  CFL teams don't have that kind of patience anymore.  1 QB spot is your starter/star.  1 is dedicated SY.  That leaves only 1 spot for you to find the next Dru Brown.  You can't waste 5 years having that be Ford on your roster.

And the problem with Ford vs VAJ, is VAJ had some early games where he flashed.  Ford really hasn't, especially when you back out wins that were basically all due to his running.  VAJ showed he could get it down the field from day 1.

And no one is going to help EDM get rid of their punishing 2-Fords contract situation.

I don't believe that. League's are so QB deprived that these guys hang around for as long as they want to. We bring in prospects who are 27-30 years old.

Physical traits do not mean you can learn to be great. The ability to process information quickly in the heat of the moment just is not a common nor a learned trait.

[TecnoGenius]

I don't believe that. League's are so QB deprived that these guys hang around for as long as they want to. We bring in prospects who are 27-30 years old.

I can be both.  It IS both.  Even with the dearth of decent QBs coming up, there are a whackton of Chase The Greeks et al cycling through every season.  All it would take is some flash by a Chase-type guy in 2 games and Ford will be dropped like a hot potato.

The ONLY thing "protecting" Ford, and giving him another year or 2, is his passport.  Because him being good AND NAT would be a huge advantage for a team.  Remember, BC is able to completely forgo fancy $ NAT OL and drafting/dev and just start 4 IMP OL, ONLY because of Rourke's passport.

[Jesse]

I can be both.  It IS both.  Even with the dearth of decent QBs coming up, there are a whackton of Chase The Greeks et al cycling through every season.  All it would take is some flash by a Chase-type guy in 2 games and Ford will be dropped like a hot potato.

The ONLY thing "protecting" Ford, and giving him another year or 2, is his passport.  Because him being good AND NAT would be a huge advantage for a team.  Remember, BC is able to completely forgo fancy $ NAT OL and drafting/dev and just start 4 IMP OL, ONLY because of Rourke's passport.

BUT:

Cameron Dukes
Matt Shiltz
Chase Brice
Caleb Evans
Dustin Crum
Taylor Powell
Tommy Stevens

All of whom are in at least their third year with passing attempts this season. None of whom are protected by passport.

[TecnoGenius]

Cameron Dukes
Matt Shiltz
Chase Brice
Caleb Evans
Dustin Crum
Taylor Powell
Tommy Stevens

All of whom are in at least their third year with passing attempts this season. None of whom are protected by passport.

Only the bolded guys are more "longer term" guys.  And those 3 (as well as Stevens) have mostly been relegated to "SY QB" status.

Forget the SY-only guys, they are peripheral to the discussion, which is about trying to dev Ford into a legit starter.  No one is going to pay Ford more than $125k to make him a SY guy.  Which he'd suck at anyway since he probably weighs less than VAJ.

Now add in more of the Brices and Chases and T.Wilsons.  Ford is in year 4 and the question of whether he gets year 5, 6 & 7 has more to do with his passport than anything else.  Take Brice for example, I doubt he is in the CFL next season.

[Jesse]

Only the bolded guys are more "longer term" guys.  And those 3 (as well as Stevens) have mostly been relegated to "SY QB" status.

Forget the SY-only guys, they are peripheral to the discussion, which is about trying to dev Ford into a legit starter.  No one is going to pay Ford more than $125k to make him a SY guy.  Which he'd suck at anyway since he probably weighs less than VAJ.

Now add in more of the Brices and Chases and T.Wilsons.  Ford is in year 4 and the question of whether he gets year 5, 6 & 7 has more to do with his passport than anything else.  Take Brice for example, I doubt he is in the CFL next season.

Crum has been in the CFL for the same amount of time as any of the others. These are all guys in their third year or more. All Americans. There may be 3rd string and PR guys who rotate out every year, but the guys who get snaps are recycled forever (Dominique Davis).

If a guy has the skill, he'll have the opportunity to show it.

[TecnoGenius]

Crum has been in the CFL for the same amount of time as any of the others. These are all guys in their third year or more. All Americans. There may be 3rd string and PR guys who rotate out every year, but the guys who get snaps are recycled forever (Dominique Davis).

But again, those are guys (like Dom Davis) who are either slotted in as
A) pure SY with no attempt to pretend they'll ever be otherwise
B) good SY guys who they hold out some hope might still be a real QB

Dom's first year after leaving WPG they thought he might be (B).  Turns out he was (A), and barely that.

Now name the guys who have been brought up here to see if they can be "none of the above" and be a real QB (think Dru Brown).  Brice would qualify.

So who are the Brices of every team?  For us it's T.Wilson.  Forget the known-qty decent-SY guys.

Bottom line, Ford will eventually get more years-in-league than T.Wilson OR Brice, or most of the other no-name new/dev guys teams bring in.  (Let alone the 4th string guys like Chase The Greek who often never see the field in reg season.)

[Jesse]

But again, those are guys (like Dom Davis) who are either slotted in as
A) pure SY with no attempt to pretend they'll ever be otherwise
B) good SY guys who they hold out some hope might still be a real QB

Dom's first year after leaving WPG they thought he might be (B).  Turns out he was (A), and barely that.

Now name the guys who have been brought up here to see if they can be "none of the above" and be a real QB (think Dru Brown).  Brice would qualify.

So who are the Brices of every team?  For us it's T.Wilson.  Forget the known-qty decent-SY guys.

Bottom line, Ford will eventually get more years-in-league than T.Wilson OR Brice, or most of the other no-name new/dev guys teams bring in.  (Let alone the 4th string guys like Chase The Greek who often never see the field in reg season.)

But that's because so few QBs experience success. They are few and far between.

I think your original point was that players would not have time to follow the VAJ path, and I maintain that is not true. Any player that doesn't show flashes, like VAJ or Dru or even Crum, will continue to get opportunities.

[TecnoGenius]

But that's because so few QBs experience success. They are few and far between.

I think your original point was that players would not have time to follow the VAJ path, and I maintain that is not true. Any player that doesn't show flashes, like VAJ or Dru or even Crum, will continue to get opportunities.

VAJ is probably the worst example you could have picked, though.  He didn't have success until his year 4, then was stinky/injured and forgotten about in year 5 & 6.  He was left for dead and BC picked him up and he started playing his best ball in year 7.

My whole point is many QBs may not get to that year 4 shot, let alone to year 7 when VAJ really finally looked like a reliable star QB.

I bet a better example exists to prove your point.

[bwiser]

I think its time for the Bombers to move on from Streveler.He will never be a starter and finding a SY Qb is not that hard to find.Wilson has already proven he can handle short yardage. The Bombers need a QB to develop who could eventually be a starter. Letting Dru Brown walk last year is looking like a mistake.Overpaying a backup would have made a lot of sense for the Bombers transition to a future QB.

[bluebeard]

For me there is only one QB that can play reasonably well at QB and that is Crum.  This season he learned how to throw the ball and not always have to use his feet and speed.  As far as Brown goes... I'm beginning to wonder if heis that type of QBthat is always injured.  To be a good QB you have to be on the field.

I'm hoping that the USFL league or what ever it is called now will fold and a couple of good QBs become available.  Long shot ??